Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[Confused]

in regard to the shift - in Ra and quo information, no such ascension scenario is ever mentioned. moreover, this kind of 'ascension' thing only appears in christian lore, and nowhere else.

unity100, I don't know what I am going to say makes sense or not, but here it goes. I believe this again ties back to the age-old debate of immediate Vs. prolonged Harvest.

I think Ra kept the information on the phenomenon of the Harvest (or rapture/ascension/whatever label) under heavy wraps so that it does not consciously impinge upon freewill in terms of polarities/actions chosen. For example, if Don was given clear information as to what Harvest is, it could have changed the natural actions/behaviors/biases/relationship-patterns of many.

Let us say if I know that the Harvest is tomorrow in a twinkling of an eye, then immediately I may attempt to forgive those who hurt me and polarize strongly. That is sort of artificial. That forgiving mindset did not come through a natural process of balancing using freewill; but came about because I saw benefit in it due to impending Harvest.

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Where does ascension appear in christian lore?

I think it is called Rapture, that is expected to take place at the second coming of Jesus Christ, according to Christian theology.

[3DMonkey]

Where does ascension appear in christian lore?

I think it is called Rapture, that is expected to take place at the second coming of Jesus Christ, according to Christian theology.

If that's all, then Ra did speak of it, and called it Harvest. Same thing in my eyes. Harvest was big in the christian lore, no?

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Let us say if I know that the Harvest is tomorrow in a twinkling of an eye, then immediately I may attempt to forgive those who hurt me and polarize strongly. That is sort of artificial. That forgiving mindset did not come through a natural process of balancing using freewill; but came about because I saw benefit in it due to impending Harvest.

That's up to any individual reading the LOO, really. We shouldn't spend anytime trying to balance. We should only try to know ourselves (Creator).

(I've got to put the "should" list together)

[Confused]

If that's all, then Ra did speak of it, and called it Harvest. Same thing in my eyes. Harvest was big in the christian lore, no?

Yup, my dear dear 3, Jesus kept referring to it repeatedly in the Bible. And who knows how many other references were deleted by 'powers to be'. Also Ra says the following too --

17.22 Questioner: In our culture there is a saying that he will return. Can you tell me if this is planned?

Ra: I am Ra. I will attempt to sort out this question. It is difficult. This entity became aware that it was not an entity of itself but operated as a messenger of the One Creator whom this entity saw as love. This entity was aware that this cycle was in its last portion and spoke to the effect that those of its consciousness would return at the harvest.

The particular mind/body/spirit complex you call Jesus is, as what you would call an entity, not to return except as a member of the Confederation speaking through a channel. However, there are others of the identical congruency of consciousness that will welcome those to the fourth-density. This is the meaning of the returning.

[3DMonkey]

This is Ra confirming the christian lore of Jesus' return?

[Confused]

This is Ra confirming the christian lore of Jesus' return?

Jesus attempted to convey truths. It became lore and dogma later, in my opinion.

[unity100]

in regard to the shift - in Ra and quo information, no such ascension scenario is ever mentioned. moreover, this kind of 'ascension' thing only appears in christian lore, and nowhere else.

unity100, I don't know what I am going to say makes sense or not, but here it goes. I believe this again ties back to the age-old debate of immediate Vs. prolonged Harvest.

I think Ra kept the information on the phenomenon of the Harvest (or rapture/ascension/whatever label) under heavy wraps so that it does not consciously impinge upon freewill in terms of polarities/actions chosen. For example, if Don was given clear information as to what Harvest is, it could have changed the natural actions/behaviors/biases/relationship-patterns of many.

they actually didnt.

ra had explicitly said that even the entities who are in 3-4d transitionary bodies would have to die according to 3d necessities. leave aside entities in 3d bodies.

Let us say if I know that the Harvest is tomorrow in a twinkling of an eye, then immediately I may attempt to forgive those who hurt me and polarize strongly. That is sort of artificial. That forgiving mindset did not come through a natural process of balancing using freewill; but came about because I saw benefit in it due to impending Harvest.

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you cant do that. in 4d harvest, nothing but your polarity in regard to light is measured and important. it doesnt matter how many you forgave, how many you havent. the overall resultant spiritual state of you will have a certain polarity. when brought closer to light, your overall state will make itself available :

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.

details will not matter. your overall violet balance will matter. if, you are pulling a last minute stunt, it will fail. but, if your last minute stunt is sufficiently firm in regard to violet ray, it will succeed.

[3DMonkey]

details will not matter. your overall violet balance will matter. if, you are pulling a last minute stunt, it will fail. but, if your last minute stunt is sufficiently firm in regard to violet ray, it will succeed.

It's possible or not. What say you?

[Confused]

Let us say if I know that the Harvest is tomorrow in a twinkling of an eye, then immediately I may attempt to forgive those who hurt me and polarize strongly. That is sort of artificial. That forgiving mindset did not come through a natural process of balancing using freewill; but came about because I saw benefit in it due to impending Harvest.

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you cant do that.

Ra's words from 65.12 --

We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

As above, so below.

[unity100]

We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

As above, so below.

polarizing towards something in a moment of inspiration, is different from providing a lasting stable violet balance in a moment of inspiration. you can polarize in both directions in a moment's notice, even if that is rare, however, whether the point of polarization is stable and lasting is another question.

in case you noticed, there is no talk of the potential of 'all the planet becoming positively harvestable' in that paragraph. therefore, the 'as above so below' christian lore analogy (it was from christian religion if im not mistaken) is misplaced.

[Confused]

in case you noticed, there is no talk of the potential of 'all the planet becoming positively harvestable' in that paragraph. therefore, the 'as above so below' christian lore analogy (it was from christian religion if im not mistaken) is misplaced.

Rehashing the same quote, unity100 --

This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment.

[Raman]

What makes you think Harvest would be immediate, Confused? To me a fully green activated planet should be very inhospitable to 3d and 4d negative entities. By definition, 4d (>51% STO) would be the only ones able to survive in that environment.

And what is the point of wanderers to remain in a fully activated green planet? Should not we be ready to expect something BIG by end of Oct 2011?

I mean we are talking about not only harvest but the Harvest, the end of the last cycle the (theoretically) end of 3d.

I apologize if I some do not feel comfortable with this but shouldn't we be ready for anything? Obviously, this is just my humble opinion.

[Confused]

What makes you think Harvest would be immediate, Confused?

From your post, it looks like you too believe in the 'twinkling of an eye' Harvest process? Am I correct in assuming that, Raman? It will help me in explaining myself better.

I do not believe/disbelieve anything on this, Raman. Truth is as it is, irrespective of whether I believe it or not. I am only trying to seek, which is my duty as a child of the Cosmos. If in the process truth emerges, then I am well off for it.

Love & light, brother.

[unity100]

in case you noticed, there is no talk of the potential of 'all the planet becoming positively harvestable' in that paragraph. therefore, the 'as above so below' christian lore analogy (it was from christian religion if im not mistaken) is misplaced.

Rehashing the same quote, unity100 --

This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment.

infinite possibility of entire bunch of entities inhabiting this planet to move into next octave also exist, by that theory. by theory it does exist.

yet, you arent expecting it to happen or considering its possibility at any given point.

What makes you think Harvest would be immediate, Confused? To me a fully green activated planet should be very inhospitable to 3d and 4d negative entities. By definition, 4d (>51% STO) would be the only ones able to survive in that environment.

And what is the point of wanderers to remain in a fully activated green planet? Should not we be ready to expect something BIG by end of Oct 2011?

I mean we are talking about not only harvest but the Harvest, the end of the last cycle the (theoretically) end of 3d.

I apologize if I some do not feel comfortable with this but shouldn't we be ready for anything? Obviously, this is just my humble opinion.

quite astute.

What makes you think Harvest would be immediate, Confused?

From your post, it looks like you too believe in the 'twinkling of an eye' Harvest process? Am I correct in assuming that, Raman? It will help me in explaining myself better.

I do not believe/disbelieve anything on this, Raman. Truth is as it is, irrespective of whether I believe it or not. I am only trying to seek, which is my duty as a child of the Cosmos. If in the process truth emerges, then I am well off for it.

Love & light, brother.

thats not a matter of belief. don specifically asked for a period over which harvest would be spread out, or, a date when it would happen. it was given as 30 years from now, and don asked whether it would happen in 2011, and the answer was yes. it wasnt said it would start, it wasnt said it would end, it was said that it would happen.

a harvest happening IN a year, means that, the harvest would happen in that year. if so, even if harvest would be spread over a time period, it would be during that timespan of a year.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#29

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

harvest, it seems, will happen this year. in addition, it is said that those who are not incarnate at THAT time, will be included in the harvest.

that means, the harvest event will affect ALL entities in this planetary sphere, regardless of being incarnated or not, and the time for this is 2011.

all these, totally ignoring the mayan calendar information, the one which tracks the cycles of the sun, and which ends in oct 2011.

[Raman]

What makes you think Harvest would be immediate, Confused?

From your post, it looks like you too believe in the 'twinkling of an eye' Harvest process? Am I correct in assuming that, Raman? It will help me in explaining myself better.

I do not believe/disbelieve anything on this, Raman. Truth is as it is, irrespective of whether I believe it or not. I am only trying to seek, which is my duty as a child of the Cosmos. If in the process truth emerges, then I am well off for it.

Love & light, brother.

On one hand we have the "strike upon the hour...ticking of the clock" narratives...

Then it appears that Ra talks about the famous period of 100-700 years "post-Harvest" and refers to this only once. It seems the info was "veiled" in an sense then "discoverable" ...if this period is in space-time then it is not an immediate harvest...but what if it is in time-space?

But to me what is relevant is what full activation entails which coincides with a cycle that it is very exact like a clock/alarm activating something...

But then the process of evolution is stopped as we understand it...physical bodies will be different but if the planet is activated fully...where is the future physical vehicle of those dual activated who must die according to 3d necessities?

Is fear of death what is impeding us to see the answer?

The point is end of Oct is 5 1/2 months away. Are we really expecting to continue the same or slightly better?

I do not believe yes/no as well but this 9th wave seems rather a tsunami (pardon the pun?)

[unity100]

Then it appears that Ra talks about the famous period of 100-700 years "post-Harvest" and refers to this only once. It seems the info was "veiled" in an sense then "discoverable" ...if this period is in space-time then it is not an immediate harvest...but what if it is in time-space?

i forgot that. 'post harvest' is an important term.

But to me what is relevant is what full activation entails which coincides with a cycle that it is very exact like a clock/alarm activating something...

before activation, harvest itself is a very important event. it will encompass all entities. planet-wide.

Is fear of death what is impeding us to see the answer?

for most, seems so.

The point is end of Oct is 5 1/2 months away. Are we really expecting to continue the same or slightly better?

I do not believe yes/no as well but this 9th wave seems rather a tsunami (pardon the pun?)

9 wave indeed seems like a tsunami. leaving all the happenings on the planet aside, my personal experience with these mayan day/night cycles have been stunning. and, i see each night happening to be in a higher state than the previous one in energy. and this seems to be going to escalate as the wave continues, according to mayan calendar.

i noticed other people feeling the wave in different forms, like being quite energetic and positive due to 'unknown reason' (for them) despite being in deep distress due to life circumstances. these people are not aware of harvest concept, mayan calendar, ra material, and they are not into spiritualism. (yet).

[Confused]

thats not a matter of belief. don specifically asked for a period over which harvest would be spread out, or, a date when it would happen. it was given as 30 years from now, and don asked whether it would happen in 2011, and the answer was yes. it wasnt said it would start, it wasnt said it would end, it was said that it would happen.

a harvest happening IN a year, means that, the harvest would happen in that year. if so, even if harvest would be spread over a time period, it would be during that timespan of a year.

I accept that deduction with whole-heart.

[Raman]

thats not a matter of belief. don specifically asked for a period over which harvest would be spread out, or, a date when it would happen. it was given as 30 years from now, and don asked whether it would happen in 2011, and the answer was yes. it wasnt said it would start, it wasnt said it would end, it was said that it would happen.

a harvest happening IN a year, means that, the harvest would happen in that year. if so, even if harvest would be spread over a time period, it would be during that timespan of a year.

I accept that deduction with whole-heart.

It resonates with me as well (with whole-heart like you)

[Confused]

...100-700 years "post-Harvest"...

This could probably be a "clean-up the mess" period, before the planet is settled in steadiness for "business as usual", with respect to 4th density taking over completely.

May be the Confederation expects the clean-up period to range anywhere between 100-700 years, based on their previous experiences/averages.

[unity100]

in the light of this information, we can say that something big is going to happen this year, and that will, at least be the harvest. the major occasion for this space/time point.

all the rest are possibilities, probabilities that may happen around this.

i dont think harvest will be a negligible event for anyone who is harvestable, or anyone of higher frequency.

[Raman]

Humm yes...maybe then is when "disclosure" would be relevant...

[Confused]

Isn't the following interesting in that sense, guys? (from 10.15) --

...Let us look first at the Mu entities.

They were beings of a somewhat primitive nature, but those who had very advanced spiritual distortions. The civilization was part of this cycle, experienced early within the cycle at a time of approximately 53,000 of your years ago. It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own. They sent out those who survived and reached many places in what you call Russia, North America, and South America. The Indians of whom you come to feel some sympathy in your social complex distortions are the descendants of these entities. Like the other incarnates of this cycle, they came from elsewhere. However, these particular entities were largely from a second-density planet which had some difficulty, due to the age of its sun, in achieving third-density life conditions. This planet was from the galaxy Deneb.

[unity100]

you are probably implying that difficulties encountered due to discrepancy in between the society's thoughts and the increasing vibrations had caused similar tectonic rearrangement in second density.

it is true in the light of what we know from the material about second cycle that there was similar thought patterns, also causing the reduction of lifespan - which would probably also difficulties in regard to increasing vibrations of green ray -, BUT, there was no mention in the increase of frequencies to green ray spectrum at the end of each cycle was mentioned.

according to mayan calendar, all cycles end this year. this includes not only the cycles started recently, but all cycles ranging from millions of years of cycles to thousands of years cycles.

im basically saying the green ray vibrational increase, and the coming of green ray vibration is unique to end of this cycle. therefore i dont think that sinking was caused due to tectonic arrangement that is necessitated due to discrepancy in between vibrations and the societal thought patterns, like now.

[Confused]

you are probably implying that difficulties encountered due to discrepancy in between the society's thoughts and the increasing vibrations had caused similar tectonic rearrangement in second density.

Second density?! Those were third density earth entities from over 50,000 years ago, as per the LOO. Or am I wrong in my understanding? :-/

[kia]

and, i see each night happening to be in a higher state than the previous one in energy.

This is totally how I feel too

[unity100]

you are probably implying that difficulties encountered due to discrepancy in between the society's thoughts and the increasing vibrations had caused similar tectonic rearrangement in second density.

Second density?! Those were third density earth entities from over 50,000 years ago, as per the LOO. Or am I wrong in my understanding? :-/

correction : second cycle. typo.

[3DMonkey]

I've been down the road several times about what/when harvest is. I won't pull out my bag of goodies on the topic.

One question for you guys. If we are all standing here on January 1, 2013, what will be your conclusion? Will you tell me Ra was wrong, or will you tell me that Harvest did occur?

[zenmaster]

I've been down the road several times about what/when harvest is. I won't pull out my bag of goodies on the topic.

One question for you guys. If we are all standing here on January 1, 2013, what will be your conclusion? Will you tell me Ra was wrong, or will you tell me that Harvest did occur?

C'mon now, they will tell you that Harvest occurred, or lacking enough credible evidence, something 'big' that corresponds to Harvest. But then that will sooner or later tend to loose its inflated meaning, and most conveniently discarded, while yet another signpost is looked for. Oh and and if you missed yet another one of their specially designated signpost events that they 'recognized', you were probably just not resonating with their specific, built up interest in it.

[unity100]

I've been down the road several times about what/when harvest is. I won't pull out my bag of goodies on the topic.

One question for you guys. If we are all standing here on January 1, 2013, what will be your conclusion? Will you tell me Ra was wrong, or will you tell me that Harvest did occur?

C'mon now, they will tell you that Harvest occurred, or lacking enough credible evidence, something 'big' that corresponds to Harvest. But then that will sooner or later tend to loose its inflated meaning, and most conveniently discarded, while yet another signpost is looked for. Oh and and if you missed yet another one of their specially designated signpost events that they 'recognized', you were probably just not resonating with their specific, built up interest in it.

so basically, you dont trust Ra when they say harvest will happen at 2011.

why do you trust them with other things.

[3DMonkey]

I believe Ra indicates that life will go on, that harvest is not a single day event.

Do you intend to drop all trust is Ra in 2013 when your interpretations do not manifest ?

[Ens Entium]

I ask your forgiveness if this is stupid.

I thought Harverst would always take place in time/space, or at least in out of body state, and always when the 3D entity has (physically) died. Ra mentioned "instantaneous" harvest because they foresaw a poleshift that wiped out all 2D and 3D life on the planet, so this would mean all entities walking the steps of light at the same time, ie sudden harvest.

But.. things have changed and from Q'uo we hear that the poleshift is no longer happening, so instead of harvest starting in 1987 and ending in 2011-2013 we'll have harvest being from 1987 until the last, purelt 3D entity dies-probably some time before the end of the 21st century. The 100-700 years being time for dual activated entities to do restitution, etc.

Am i correct?

I got the 1987 from Q'uo channelings