The current Ukraine crisis...

[YinYang]

When one takes another's life, does the context of such an act matter metaphysically? What energies, what motivations are involved in the taking of a life. I remember some dialogue between LL and Ra about heroism, and protecting another's life, but I can't remember off the top of my head anything else, any specific ethical and spiritual implications of war time acts. 

Yeah, this is a tricky one.

The impulse to protect the loved other-self is one which persists through the fourth density, a density abounding in compassion.

And unfortunately in this conflict, it's kind of impossible to protect your loved ones without harming or killing the aggressor.

[LeiwoUnion]

Those residing here where I live, known as the Finnish people, have very narrow space to manouver at this time. The Finnish have known since time immemorial that 'the threat always comes from the east'. It is an inherent part of their body/mind complex and societal complex at this time, and is akin to a fact of nature such as that one should not go trecking on the ice of the lakes when spring is far, even if it looks fine. Why aren't we in NATO already then? There is much wisdom and acceptance of circumstances among the Finnish. Many hold zero delusion about the fact that both sides of the NATO coin (and many others) are nearly equally poor choices. The Finnish have held individuality and free will on high regards, and they will turn fear into courage as a collective the instant their way of life seems threatened. These values are constantly attacked by the modern day powers to erode the integrity of this northern 'tribe'. Even though there is much emphasis on separation these days, the Finnish are not naturally xenophobic towards those capable of holding the same high standards of justice, integrity and non-infringement, and will accept those that do as brothers and sisters. I honestly think there is the potential for forming a true social memory complex present in the hearts of the people here. So much is done, however, to prevent this by any means necessary, such as offering dubious military alliances with shady merchants of death. After the winter war the Finnish did this and paid for it dearly later. There was of course a price tag for not doing it, too. Who knows what is best when none of the options is peaceful coexistence in harmony and understanding? Maybe now it could be?

[YinYang]

One needs to differentiate. The eastern provinces are traditionally more close to Russia and thus did not recognize the new pro-Western and russophobe government after the Maidan putsch.
Hence they split and created those separatist provinces - Donbass, Donetzk and Lugansk.

I hear you, and unfortunately I can't contribute intelligently on these complicated matters, I'm just too uninformed about it.

I just know that 'nothing' justifies the mass murder we see playing out on our TV screens, there can be no saving face for Putin in any of this, not to mention the economic catastrophe he has unleashed on ordinary Russians, who seem to be opposed to this invasion.

[tadeus]

This is only indirectly related to the ukraine crisis and can be dismissed as pure conspiracy theory, but still shows how far the staging goes.

Dirty Bombs, Dirty Generals

[ScottK]

More crazy conspiracy theory:

https://beckernews.com/3-russian-ministr...ine-44303/

Sooner or later, some crazy person will talk about how Chernobyl was a child trafficking hub under the cover of being radioactive.

But we learned from our honest media and politicians that Putin is a genocidal maniac so it must be true.

[ScottK]

And then Putin keeps on talking about removing Nazis from Ukraine. Genocidal and crazy! Nuts!

[jafar]

And then Putin keeps on talking about removing Nazis from Ukraine.  Genocidal and crazy!  Nuts!

A Jewish Nazi that is.. 
The name is as weird as Black Ku Klux Klan

But that's what politicians all over the world strive to do, labelling certain group as enemy to rally support towards themselves. 
The actual label for 'the enemy' varied, from "Nazi" (as demonstrated here), "Globalist", "Capitalist", "Communist", "Atheist", "Immigrant", "Kuffar", "Goy", "Jews", "Muslim", "Chinese" and many other labels..

Thus to avoid applying the same pattern, let's not pinpoint the root cause towards "Russia" in general, yet specifically towards Putin.
Ukraine is not fighting Russia, Ukraine is fighting a bully named Vladimir Putin.

"All atrocities performed by humankind are caused by limited identification"
-- Sadhguru 

Mind | Prejudice and Identity | Sadhguru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6yjd1VicmQ

[Patrick]

If there is such a thing as a noble reason to start a war, I don't think you would need to imprison those who disagrees. It seems very hard to justify Russia's actions overall.

[Vasilisa]

I understand that my voice doesn't mean anything. But I suggest to my friends on this forum and in this branch to listen to the voices sounding in this branch, representatives of the European continent.

[zedro]

Well this isn't the density of complete understanding, let alone resolution and unity. It's the density of intent.

[jafar]

If there is such a thing as a noble reason to start a war, I don't think you would need to imprison those who disagrees. It seems very hard to justify Russia's actions overall.

Putin's actions and decisions and not Russia's actions.
Among Putin's actions and decisions are imprisoning and executing Russian citizen who disagree and Russian troop who went AWOL.

[Patrick]

Well this isn't the density of complete understanding, let alone resolution and unity. It's the density of intent.

Yes indeed. If we acknowledge that any narratives from any "sides" can be a fabrication and that it is not possible in 3d to know the real intentions of others (even our own sometimes), we are left only with the actions that are taken.

Here in Canada we invoked War Measures for a few days in order to imprison the leaders of the Ottawa protests and seize private assets. So it does not matter what Canada says, if we look at the actions taken over here we can see the seed of what is happening inside Russia. They are just much further along that road. All we can do is agree or disagree with those actions. If we agree with what Canada did then we can hardly disagree with what Putin is doing (without being hypocritical). I really dislike hypocrisy and I'm seeing so many fellow Canadians falling for it around me. It is a bit disheartening.

All the little things we agree with in our everyday lives is giving energy to such concepts to manifest in much stronger forms. As seekers I think we can at least be aware of that. Even agreeing with stuff like vaccine passport here in Québec is the sort of thing that feeds events like what is manifesting in Ukraine and as we know the very great majority of people in Québec were in agreement with such measures. So we are now reaping...

[IndigoSalvia]

Yes indeed. If we acknowledge that any narratives from any "sides" can be a fabrication and that it is not possible in 3d to know the real intentions of others (even our own sometimes), we are left only with the actions that are taken.

And, yet, this leaves us in a paradox. 

Metaphysically speaking, intentions (thoughts, feelings -- energetic vibrations) are what contribute to polarity and karma ... not actions per se. As you point out, Patrick, we can not know another's intentions. We can only seek to know our own. With the veil like a fog amongst us, we consider physical, perceptible actions ... and stumble around in the darkness, metaphysically speaking. 

This prompts me to turn inward to my own heart and focus my gaze there - since I can not know another's heart. From within my own heart - my own unique facet of this many-faceted illusion - I can do quite a lot. I can work on what arises within me - whether it's anger, fear, love, empathy, etc. And, noticing my own feelings, thoughts, energies, I can make a choice about which of my energies to 'feed.' I can see these myriad energies that are seemingly in me, also about me and in others. 

Since so much of the media covers the politics, various sets of 'facts', military strategy, etc. -- the observable actions -- I have been seeking out good news from within the crisis. All of those moments where one of us outstretches a hand to another ... and these loving moments are plentiful. 

What can we -- (Quo: "by far the majority of entities upon your planet strive towards goodness, truth and beauty and do not love violence or the dark emotions that surround the physical acting out of aggression against fellow human beings") -- do with these beautiful, loving, compassionate 4D energies that are flowing into our Earth at this time of war? 

There are many examples of it happening right now. Ukrainian people helping Russian soldiers, feeding them. European people taking in refugees (and their animals) from Ukraine en masse. Standing at the borders with clothes, housing and food. Soldiers rescuing abandoned animals and feeding them.

[Vasilisa]

Я извиняюсь, но это сегодняшняя полярность Мира по отношению к России.

[Vasilisa]

Let me explain a little that this graph was shown on Russian news channels. It shows which countries have imposed sanctions against Russia. I understand sanctions as a kind of relationship regulator. (I may be wrong). The graph shows (again in my perception) that the forces after the conflict in Ukraine have developed between countries with a very well-developed infrastructure and technologies and countries in whose territories there are energy carriers. This graph (in my perception) shows how the development of humanity as a whole will move in the future.

[zedro]

Metaphysically speaking, intentions (thoughts, feelings -- energetic vibrations) are what contribute to polarity and karma ... not actions per se.

I somewhat disagree, I've always held that intent directs polarity, and while karma follows, it's the resulting actions/consequences that create the karma.

Easy example is if I intended to help you, but my lack of wisdom creates harmful action that contradicts my own intent, then a karmic 'circumstance' will be created. This could be in the form of negative emotional reaction in the case where I recognize the folly, or an event will manifest which will attempt to inform me of my 'mistake'. The latter case is where we get into the sticky territory of 'history repeating itself' through multiple incarnations, and this is where I feel most stuck people are. How many of those who were 'useful idiots' of previous genocidal regimes are repeating the pattern, subscribing to another set of false truths in order to participate in the infringement of others? Just like the tyrants reincarnate to fulfill their perfection, so too the victims/unknowing victimizers to hopefully recognize their reoccurring role that needs to be broken.

To be honest, those who are lost frustrate me the most. A negatively polarized tyrant is the perfected 'animal' they are (like the scorpion and the frog water crossing story), and I expect them to harm, it is their nature and chosen path (don't like it, but it is). The ones who harm from a place of 'love' over wisdom disturb me the most, probably because I feel like I need to save them with wisdom but also realizing it is for the most part not possible, or my role.

[jafar]

Let me explain a little that this graph was shown on Russian news channels. It shows which countries have imposed sanctions against Russia. I understand sanctions as a kind of relationship regulator. (I may be wrong). The graph shows (again in my perception) that the forces after the conflict in Ukraine have developed between countries with a very well-developed infrastructure and technologies and countries in whose territories there are energy carriers. This graph (in my perception) shows how the development of humanity as a whole will move in the future.

"Economic Sanction" was designed with (false) hope that it will coerce the public to be dissatisfied with their leader/dictator/government thus triggering revolution from within.

And as proven by case study of Iran, Iraq (Saddam Regime), Libya (Khomeini), Syria (Assad), Hamas, North Korea (Kim's family) it has 0% rate of success for meeting it's intended goal.

What happened is usually the 'dictator' shall take advantage of the 'economic sanction' to put the blame of public's hardship towards the parties which imposed the sanction. You are suffering because of America / The West etc.. fueling the fire of fear and hatred inside the citizen towards 'the enemies' and rallying greater support towards himself. 

That's the reason I advised everyone to NOT put the blame / attack on Russia as a whole.
If there are those that need to be 'alienated' then it should be pointed directly towards the dictator.

Having said that I applauded the 'sanction' against the Oligarchs, although they will be less impacted due to their huge wealth already stashed 'anonymously' in Tax Haven countries ( Cayman Islands, Jersey, Isle Of Man, Ireland, Switzerland etc..)

[Vasilisa]

jafar, (in my personal perception) it is necessary to take into account the cultural and historical context of the country. Russia has not yet lost either one or the other and is able to work with its own context. Russia experienced "Friendly relations" with the United States in 1991. Personally, I hardly want a repeat of such a relationship.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has published information that there are much more biological laboratories on the territory of Ukraine than on the website at the link in this topic.

[Loki]

All these disturbing events are transient. Heartbreaking but transient. It was expected to have a planetary level crisis, considering that 4D dawn is getting closer and 3D is dying off this planet. The idea is for the 3D population to gain polarity no matter how. 3D people were not good on learning in the good times about the two paths. Now the time being short 3D people need to learn from harsher lessons. It was predicted by Confederation that bad times will be upon this planet at the dusk of 3D. How Q'uo puts it: The Mars souls are reincarnating again gathering force for another Armageddon.
In seems cruel but considering the time left Confederation hopes that this violent end of 3D will awaken more people on this planet allowing them to graduate to 4D. A long happy life on Earth followed by repeating 3D on a different planet is not a good plan anymore for STO or STS.

The plan now is not a long pleasant life but a meaningful one. The plan is to give people the best chance when they die to be polarized enough to be able to ascend from 3D to 4D.

Don't be surprised that the bad times are upon us, just hope we have the spiritual power to keep our kindness during these times. Free will of the people of Earth is still preserved but war and tyranny is what our fellow leaders can think of in these crucial moments.

[IndigoSalvia]

I understand your point, Zedro. I was, as well, re-reading it to make sure I understood. It's an interesting read. 

Below was my simplistic paraphrasing of a Quo session (https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2007/0121). I am still re-reading and contemplating it.

In it, Quo considers our earthly form of ethics (judgment, judicial system based on observable actions and guilty/innocent) and metaphysical systems of determining karma and polarity in any given moment. Polarity is determined based on our total energy body complex via violet ray summary. 

What I found so intriguing is that karmic debts are considered totally 'paid' once one forgives oneself, not forgiveness from any other entity. 

At least this is what I understood from this session. 

Taking your example, if one's intention is loving, kind, compassionate and yet unintentionally harms another. What was this one's energy vibrational read-out when it acted? Was it, green (attempting to unconditionally love) and blue (attempting to clearly communicate/listen), for instance? Yet, it still harmed another. 

According to this session, Quo seems to say, a karmic bond or tie to the other is created when one doesn't forgive oneself. What if the person never realizes they hurt the other and is only aware of its pure intentions? Thus, no karmic tie? Possibly more catalyst of a similar nature to gain greater wisdom? 

Metaphysically speaking, intentions (thoughts, feelings -- energetic vibrations) are what contribute to polarity and karma ... not actions per se.

I somewhat disagree, I've always held that intent directs polarity, and while karma follows, it's the resulting actions/consequences that create the karma.

Easy example is if I intended to help you, but my lack of wisdom creates harmful action that contradicts my own intent, then a karmic 'circumstance' will be created. This could be in the form of negative emotional reaction in the case where I recognize the folly, or an event will manifest which will attempt to inform me of my 'mistake'. The latter case is where we get into the sticky territory of 'history repeating itself' through multiple incarnations, and this is where I feel most stuck people are. How many of those who were 'useful idiots' of previous genocidal regimes are repeating the pattern, subscribing to another set of false truths in order to participate in the infringement of others? Just like the tyrants reincarnate to fulfill their perfection, so too the victims/unknowing victimizers to hopefully recognize their reoccurring role that needs to be broken.

[zedro]

I understand your point, Zedro. I was, as well, re-reading it to make sure I understood. It's an interesting read. 

Below was my simplistic paraphrasing of a Quo session (https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2007/0121). I am still re-reading and contemplating it.

In it, Quo considers our earthly form of ethics (judgment, judicial system based on observable actions and guilty/innocent) and metaphysical systems of determining karma and polarity in any given moment. Polarity is determined based on our total energy body complex via violet ray summary. 

What I found so intriguing is that karmic debts are considered totally 'paid' once one forgives oneself, not forgiveness from any other entity. 

At least this is what I understood from this session. 

Taking your example, if one's intention is loving, kind, compassionate and yet unintentionally harms another. What was this one's energy vibrational read-out when it acted? Was it, green (attempting to unconditionally love) and blue (attempting to clearly communicate/listen), for instance? Yet, it still harmed another. 

According to this session, Quo seems to say, a karmic bond or tie to the other is created when one doesn't forgive oneself. What if the person never realizes they hurt the other and is only aware of its pure intentions? Thus, no karmic tie? Possibly more catalyst of a similar nature to gain greater wisdom? 

I think they are using the word 'forgive' in possibly an intentionally confusing manner, this Quo interpretation does not jive with Ra's interpretations in my opinion. Perhaps the trick here is you cannot forgive something you are ignorant of, therefore the karmic tie is still made but cannot be undone until it is recognized and then 'forgiven'. Also this forgiveness would not be on the conscious level, and may take multiple incarnations to balance things out. So I feel this use of the word forgiveness is being used as a much deeper archetype.

In the case of an unwise action, its a blue ray distortion which affects the lower rays in different ways, and thus can affect green ray with enough lower distortion to interrupt the ascending light. This is why pure green ray is not about action, but it can be affected by it. Therefore you could activate only green ray through inaction and prayer only, but as soon as you create action/thought, you are in blue ray territory and thus you risk distorting the lower centers.

[jafar]

jafar, (in my personal perception) it is necessary to take into account the cultural and historical context of the country. Russia has not yet lost either one or the other and is able to work with its own context. Russia experienced "Friendly relations" with the United States in 1991. Personally, I hardly want a repeat of such a relationship.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has published information that there are much more biological laboratories on the territory of Ukraine than on the website at the link in this topic.

The historical fact is this:
The social identity now named as Russia was started in Kiev.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus

From series utter of madness coming out from Putin, he cited one fact: Russians and Ukrainians are one people <-- 100% correct
Yet he twisted the origin, it was Russia who founded Ukraine, thus act as a justification for Putin invasion to Ukraine.

This is similar to: Arabs and Jews are one people (correct) and it was Arabs who founded Jerusalem.
Or American and British are one people and it was American who founded London.

For "biological lab" this is just yet another disinformation to act as a 'pretext' for Putin's invasion to Ukraine.
https://mythdetector.ge/en/are-there-pen...n-ukraine/

Yet that's how STS works anyway, through fear and manipulation, to create separation.

[YinYang]

Quo: "by far the majority of entities upon your planet strive towards goodness, truth and beauty and do not love violence or the dark emotions that surround the physical acting out of aggression against fellow human beings"

I guess this has always been a riddle to me, and will likely continue to be, since this is not the density of understanding...

Ra had a similar quote:

The Earth seems to be negative. That is due to the quiet, shall we say, horror which is the common distortion which those good or positively oriented entities have towards the occurrences which are of your space/time present. However, those oriented and harvestable in the ways of service to others greatly outnumber those whose orientation towards service to self has become that of harvestable quality.

I understand polarity and its apparent "necessity" for evolution, what I don't get is this:

We'll always have our Putins, Hitlers, Napoleons, Genghis Khans, etc. What I don't understand is how it always happens that the few are able to control the many. If "the vast majority" (as Ra & Quo says) of people have an orientation towards service to others, how is it that these despots never seem to have any difficulty amassing armies of men numbering in the hundreds of thousands or millions even doing their dirty work for them???

And in the case of the Ukranian invasion even doubly so, since they say more than half of Ukranians have Russian relatives and friends, so they're calling it fratricide. I just don't get it.....

[Patrick]

Think how the people in the USA sees those joining the army. It is often seen as a noble thing to do. They're protectors, etc...

It's the same in Russia. Once a trained army person it is hard to refuse to follow orders.

So the solution is to not join the army, not join the police, etc...

But that is not easy because STS makes us fear and believe we need protection.

[YinYang]

They're protectors, etc...

It's the same in Russia.

I understand that apparently the Russian troops were lied to about being "liberators", but once they entered Ukraine and met with such resistance, why not.... I don't know...back down a little?

Now they seem to be doubling down!

Russian soldier’s final texts to mother before his death in Ukraine: ‘I’m scared, we’re hitting everyone’

When this soldier realised what he was a part of, he messaged his mom saying he wants to hang himself. Shortly afterwards he was killed...

This is so heartbreaking...

[Patrick]

The army has its own culture and they set themselves as "other" than the civilian. That culture strongly reinforces the impression that there are many reasons to fear and that protection is very much needed indeed.

Before any army is sent to attack instead of protect, they are made aware that the attack is actually to protect others.

Of course, they come back traumatized. I don't know anyone who went on missions that saw action and did not come back traumatized to some extent.

[YinYang]

The only positive thing that I can see coming from this, is that it has now become urgent that the world weans themselves off of oil. Europe is already making noises to that effect.

As I understand this, oil and gas are Putin's last two remaining levers of power.

Ra: The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.

[Patrick]

Yes Ra means that we are in a post-scarcity world and that scarcity is now manufactured. Mostly it is the concept of money that is used to enable this. While money is obsolete the Elites are making sure that money is what we think about the most. They make us believe that we cannot have it all and so we must choose what will be supported and what will suffer. But the truth is that we could have it all, health, food, fun, leisure, love, sex, etc... A utopia is not utopic anymore. As time goes on and 4d continues to increase, it will become harder and harder to hide this fact (but a war certainly helps in hiding this).

[YinYang]

Yes Ra means that we are in a post-scarcity world and that scarcity is now manufactured. Mostly it is the concept of money that is used to enable this. While money is obsolete the Elites are making sure that money is what we think about the most. They make us believe that we cannot have it all and so we must choose what will be supported and what will suffer. But the truth is that we could have it all, health, food, fun, leisure, love, sex, etc... A utopia is not utopic anymore. As time goes on and 4d continues to increase, it will become harder and harder to hide this fact.

This might be slightly off topic, or maybe not.

I read this amazing book:

Chronicles From The Future: The amazing story of Paul Amadeus Dienach

It's the diary of a guy who fell into a year-long coma in 1921, who claims that during the coma his consciousness entered someone else's body in the year 3900.

The future he describes in this diary is undoubtedly a positive 4D society. I always reread this book when the darkness of our current time makes me worried. It's like my personal panacea against all the bad news coming from all sides, along with the Ra material of course (and a few others).

[Diana]

I understand polarity and its apparent "necessity" for evolution, what I don't get is this:

We'll always have our Putins, Hitlers, Napoleons, Genghis Khans, etc. What I don't understand is how it always happens that the few are able to control the many. If "the vast majority" (as Ra & Quo says) of people have an orientation towards service to others, how is it that these despots never seem to have any difficulty amassing armies of men numbering in the hundreds of thousands or millions even doing their dirty work for them???

Ra came through in the 80s. Since then, the world has become digital. Those of Ra would not have been limited as we are in spacetime, but the whole of the conversations with Ra depended upon Don asking questions, so the time frame in which the conversations unfolded would have influenced what he asked.

The numbing effects of media are widespread, insidious, and very effective at this point. As far as I can tell, people in general are more "numbed" than ever due to constantly following the media, aside from a small percentage of those who have woken up to think for themselves. I do not mean to be insulting, but think about how plugged in people are. There is some media source which speaks to almost any mindset, rendering objective thought scarce. 

The powers that control society have had decades of computed stimulus/feedback data collection to direct action. These are probability data sets that are so easily used to implement desired response. The Covid situation is a good example at how effective this has gotten and how fear can be used to push people into agreeing to things they normally would not agree to, and inciting sometimes hateful separation.

In addition, Ra said:

41.14 ▶ 

Ra: I am Ra. ...The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. ...

So apparently, as green ray influences the transition to 4D, there will be many who revert to orange ray and this is not a choice between STS and STO; rather, it is a reaction to not being able to handle certain incoming energies.