Ethical dilemma

[Monica]

Mhm..it sounds as if the healing was done, and then you later rejected it preferring the previous distortions to work through the catalyst/root cause. This seems to be a part of the opportunity offered.

Yes, exactly. Though not consciously. Consciously, I accepted the healing. I wanted to be healed. But, apparently on a subconscious level I didn't.

Which is precisely my point...I don't think there's any harm done in extending an offer of healing to an elderly person who might not be able to consciously grant permission; the conscious permission isn't necessarily indicative of what they want on a soul level anyway. So why not just do the healing (as long as there isn't a strong feeling not to), and if the soul decides to reject it, they will reject it anyway.

[Crimson]

I found this in Session #73

Questioner: An observation of the working itself by another entity would seem to me to partially abridge free will in that a seemingly magical occurrence had taken place as the result of the working of an adept. This could be extended to any phenomenon which is other than normal or acceptable. Could you speak on this paradox that is immediately the problem of anyone doing healing?

Ra: I am Ra. We are humble messengers of the Law of One. To us there are no paradoxes. The workings which seem magical and, therefore, seem to infringe upon free will do not, in themselves, do so, for the distortions of perception are as many as the witnesses and each witness sees what it desires to see. Infringement upon free will occurs in this circumstance only if the entity doing the working ascribes the authorship of this event to its self or its own skills. He who states that no working comes from it but only through it is not infringing upon free will.

This is just a question. To get the overall context I recommend to read the whole session.

[Confused]

I found this in Session #73

Questioner: An observation of the working itself by another entity would seem to me to partially abridge free will in that a seemingly magical occurrence had taken place as the result of the working of an adept. This could be extended to any phenomenon which is other than normal or acceptable. Could you speak on this paradox that is immediately the problem of anyone doing healing?

Ra: I am Ra. We are humble messengers of the Law of One. To us there are no paradoxes. The workings which seem magical and, therefore, seem to infringe upon free will do not, in themselves, do so, for the distortions of perception are as many as the witnesses and each witness sees what it desires to see. Infringement upon free will occurs in this circumstance only if the entity doing the working ascribes the authorship of this event to its self or its own skills. He who states that no working comes from it but only through it is not infringing upon free will.

This is just a question. To get the overall context I recommend to read the whole session.

Absolutely brilliant quote. I think that is what the Christ stressed at all times during his works of great spiritual magic (including healing), as alluded to by Ra somewhere in the LOO.

[Ankh]

Ra: I am Ra. You have a misconception. The healer does not heal. The crystallized healer is a channel for intelligent energy which offers an opportunity to an entity that it might heal itself.

In no case is there an other description of healing. Therefore, there is no difference as long as the healer never approaches one whose request for aid has not come to it previously. This is also true of the more conventional healers of your culture and if these healers could but fully realize that they are responsible only for offering the opportunity of healing, and not for the healing, many of these entities would feel an enormous load of misconceived responsibility fall from them

To see the self as a channel for intelligent energy is revealing. Actually it feels like "an enormous load of misconceived responsibility fall from" me.

But I worry about the bold text above regarding to offer intelligent energy when it is not asked and the entity is not even aware of it on the conscious level.

[native]

In the situation you described, the patient asked for your help so I don't see it being a problem. I'm not sure that you should go around healing everyone at work though. I would always approach an emergency situation with the intent of only allowing it to happen if the patient wants it to, even though for the reasons described above it has nothing to do with you..you're only the channel.

Are you not even allowed to open up a holistic practice separate from recognized medicine..not as a nurse just an informal business? And if not, have you considered moving somewhere that you can?

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It seems we should have kept reading further in session 66!


Questioner: Would you explain that last comment about the configuration in time/space?

Ra: I am Ra. Healing is done in the time/space portion of the mind/body/spirit complex, is adopted by the form-making or etheric body, and is then given to the space/time physical illusion for use in the activated yellow mind/body/spirit complex. It is the adoption of the configuration which you call health by the etheric body in time/space which is the key to what you call health, not any event which occurs in space/time. In the process you may see the transdimensional aspect of what you call will, for it is the will, the seeking, the desire of the entity which causes the indigo body to use the novel configuration and to reform the body which exists in space/time. This is done in an instant and may be said to operate without regard to time. We may note that in the healing of very young children there is often an apparent healing by the healer in which the young entity has no part. This is never so, for the mind/body/spirit complex in time/space is always capable of willing the distortions it chooses for experience no matter what the apparent age, as you call it, of the entity.

Questioner: Is this desire and will that operates through to the time/space section a function only of the entity who is healed or is it also the function of the healer, the crystallized healer?

Ra: I am Ra. May we take this opportunity to say that this is the activity of the Creator. To specifically answer your query the crystallized healer has no will. It offers an opportunity without attachment to the outcome, for it is aware that all is one and that the Creator is knowing Itself.

Questioner: Then the desire must be strong in the mind/body/spirit complex who seeks healing to be healed in order for the healing to occur? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct on one level or another. An entity may not consciously seek healing and yet subconsciously be aware of the need to experience the new set of distortions which result from healing. Similarly an entity may consciously desire healing greatly but within the being, at some level, find some cause whereby certain configurations which seem quite distorted are, in fact, at that level, considered appropriate.

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The more I read it..

Therefore, there is no difference as long as the healer never approaches one whose request for aid has not come to it previously.

..simply means that once the healer involves themselves actively, they have assumed a role. That is the difference between someone completely healing themselves with no healer involved. So I'm not sure that Ra is saying to never ever approach anyone, but rather once the healer is involved this is the difference between the healing taking place. Regardless, it's obvious that any healing done is completely the act of the self, consciously or unconsciously.

[spero]

I'm offering the below session as a food for thought on whether healing can infringe on free will.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0927.aspx

G: Thank you Q’uo. The next question comes from T2. It begins with a Ra excerpt, followed by the question. Ra is talking about healing and Ra says “Infringement upon free will occurs in this circumstance only if the entity doing the working ascribes the authorship of this event to itself or its own skill. He who states that no working comes from it but only through it is not infringing upon free will.” T2 asks, “Why is it that the free will of those witnessing the healing is protected when the healer does not claim authorship of the healing? Conversely, why is the free will of witnesses infringed upon by the healer who claims authorship?”

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. We thank you for the thoughtful query. The energy of healing is not a single thing or a simple thing. In its pure form, that is, the form in which the healer is an instrument of the divine allowing to flow through it the energies of the one infinite Creator, there is no possibility of infringement because of the fact that the transaction has nothing of action in it on the part of the healer, except for the healer to turn to the one infinite Creator and ask that it may be used.

When the healer is out of the way and the energy is coming through the healer, if the one who is supposedly to be healed does not wish healing, spirit will move away without a second thought. The healer in this circumstance functions as a catalyst. It creates an environment, without itself being changed, in which the one to be healed has the opportunity to choose a different default setting for its wellness. Insofar as the one to be healed chooses to take this opportunity, miracles may indeed happen. However, there has been no connection or contact, if you will, between the will of the healer and the will of the one to be healed.

It is as if one were to place a crystal in such a setting that it vibrated and radiated in a certain way because of the configuration of its crystalline structure. The radiation occurs. Whether or not it is used is entirely within the free will of the one to be healed, whether that free will is expressed consciously or unconsciously.

Conversely, if the healer believes that he is the one doing the healing, his will is involved and is in contact with the one to be healed. There is a perceived separation, therefore, between healer and healee, and this separation is less than the truth of wholeness. In this environment it is indeed possible to infringe upon the free will of the one to be healed, whether consciously or unconsciously realized upon the part of the one to be healed, simply because the will of the healer is involved. This has an almost inevitable tendency to shut the gate of intelligent infinity so that the healer is no longer spring-boarding from the green ray, moving through the gateway to intelligent infinity and opening that gateway, allowing the power to heal to come through that gateway and through the healer as an instrument. It is, instead, operating from the yellow ray.

The yellow ray is a powerful ray and [the healer’s] will can be channeled very easily by one who has a powerful will to impinge upon other entities. That will of the healer may well be to do good, to serve the Creator and to serve the fellow man or woman that is standing before him asking to be healed. Nevertheless, he now has a personal dynamic between his yellow ray and the will of the other entity, from whatever chakra that other entity is expressing its will. This means that the healing is a human transfer. The healer pushes wellness into the energy body of the one to be healed. Frequently, such healers are very effective in the short term.

The laying on of hands is often very powerful with such healers. There may be an immediate healing or that which seems to be an immediate improvement. The hallmark of such healings is, however, that they will wear off and will simply be combed out of the aura of the one to be healed by time and attrition, so that in the end the energy simply stops being effective.

That same healer can repeat the healing again and again and achieve results each time. Nevertheless, it does not have the characteristics of that movement through the gateway of intelligent infinity which produces the environment of healing while preserving completely the free will of the one to be healed.

May we answer you further, my brother? We are those of Q’uo.

Whether or not you infringed upon the patients free will is an issue entirely left up to you Ankh. It may be that your desire to aid the patient let your will get involved and you healed without following the protocols you would otherwise use to protect the patients free will. A lot of people would pay for that kind of infringment ....but this doesn't necessarily make it okay for you. Only you can decide whether you feel you acted within your principles. If you fell short of the standard you set for yourself, it happens to all of us, but what is more important is that we learn to do better next time. :idea:

[native]

Timely post spero..pretty much clears up anything left unanswered. Ra mentioned yellow ray briefly there, but didn't expand. So all one has to do is become crystallized in their thoughts are you're good to go. And even if there happens to be an infringement, it's only temporary.

[Ankh]

What do you all think about offering myself as a channel in conscious way every time I find it appropriate, without a consent?

Watching people die, specially when it comes to the last 24 hours, is very dramatic on some occasions. I had a naive belief that all old people were somehow prepared to it because of their age, but some of them are really not. For the relatives it is a shocking situation to watch their mother/father struggle to leave this life in such an anguished way. During these times I wonder about meaning of that suffer, about meaning of so much pain and anxiety upon this Earth.

Anyway, the situation above was unique. My thoughts are now wandering further and I am thinking whether I should offer myself as a channel without anyone present knowing about it, in a conscious way, or not?

[Meerie]

I would do it. Because I guess if you are not meant to do it (aka infringing on the patients free will - for example his life plan sees to it that there is suffering and dying, without anyone helping him) then it would not work anyway.
If you do not have permission to heal then the healing will not function anyway. Just my 2 cents.
I remember I had the ability to balance peoples energies for some time, with just my hands. I would just pass energy to others (to the point it would drain me, but alas, I was young and naive) and with someone else it would not work and there was kind of like a wall blocking it (the wall I see as their free will interposed).
I remember (because Ankh you mentioned that crippled man who had this very noble old soul feeling to him) there was this guy in a wheel chair who suffered from brittle bone disease and I automatically assumed he could use some energy and put my hands out - suffice to say that he was completely balanced. He just did not need anything, despite being ill he was absolutely at ease. At the time it surprised me but as you said I think it is often the old souls who incarnate in disabled bodies to help and offer catalyst to others.

[Confused]

...I should offer myself as a channel...

What exactly did you mean by that, Ankh, give your circumstances?

[native]

My immediate intuitive response is to say that you should focus on offering emotional healing for the time-being, and see how that goes..aside from those emergency situations. I certainly would never involve your will using yellow ray healing, making sure your intent is pure to only offer yourself as a channel.

More importantly I'd self-reflect on why as a healer, have you placed yourself in that kind of charged emotional atmosphere. People are taken to a hospice for their last days, and I would align your intentions firstly. You don't need to feel like anything is your duty..it sounds like most of them are in their old age anyway.

Can't you open your own unlicensed unrecognized healing business? Or does Sweden not even allow that?

[Ankh]

...I should offer myself as a channel...

What exactly did you mean by that, Ankh, give your circumstances?

What I mean is this:

If I see a person suffer in the last hours of his/hers life, struggling, and feeling anxiety of dying, and don't want to let go - should I consciously offer myself as a channel to this person without anyone present (patient and the relatives) knowing it?

What I would do in that situation is consciously reach out to the intelligent energy and offer myself to be Its channel and then consciously reach out to that dying person's unconsciousness/Higher Self and offer them that energy? (Not to heal the physical body I suppose as it is useless at that point, but to smoothe the transitional process from physical life to the afterlife; but being a channel I am not trying to think about what is needed and what is not, just trying to stay blank and let the energy work with what is appropriate for that person).

By consciously reaching out I mean that there is a desire to help this person because I see that person's suffer and it evokes a will inside of me to help. But it also means that I am not asked to do this and might be affected by situation on the unconscious level, and might cross the line ending up in the yellow ray. Which is very serious.

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My immediate intuitive response is to say that you should focus on offering emotional healing for the time-being, and see how that goes..

You mean like holding a hand and say something nice, not being healing in metaphysical way?

I certainly would never involve your will using yellow ray healing, making sure your intent is pure to only offer yourself as a channel.

Me neither! But it's not always that easy, brother. Sometimes there are unconscious thoughts and desires and other stuff that makes situation not always that clear as you would like to.

More importantly I'd self-reflect on why as a healer, have you placed yourself in that kind of charged emotional atmosphere.

Good question! At first I thought that it would be a great place for me...

You don't need to feel like anything is your duty..

It feels like it might be... or not...

Can't you open your own unlicensed unrecognized healing business? Or does Sweden not even allow that?

Yes, they do. But I don't feel like it is my "calling". Not yet anyway.

[native]

Hmm. Well I think it's possible to offer emotional healing in a metaphysical way..to smooth the transitional process as you say, relieving fears and bringing comfort. You know how people have contacts and their initial reaction is fear, then the entity relieves it somehow? Think of it as alleviating surface pain.

Remember the sessions discussing conditions before the veil, and how entities were able to control functions of the body and pain? It's possible you may be able to offer this somehow..reducing pain instead of healing.

[kycahi]

Ankh you are shining brightly, and the color is green for compassion. If you didn't come from 4D, you certainly are ready to go there.

IMHO, every 3D entity that is about to make the transition already has 4D people with them, guiding that part of their consciousness that is already free of the physical.

You are pulled by compassion to help as best you can, and that isn't a bad thing. I won't tell you not to offer this help, but IMHO you don't have to if it might get you into trouble.

I will even go a little further: I suggest that you cool the compassion somewhat, reminding yourself that this is 3D and you, like so many others from "elsewhere," want to fit in. Take off the green dress and put on yellow, so to speak, perhaps with a green scarf or other accessory.

Warm hug.

[Confused]

If I see a person suffer in the last hours of his/hers life, struggling, and feeling anxiety of dying, and don't want to let go - should I consciously offer myself as a channel to this person without anyone present (patient and the relatives) knowing it?

I think I see your point, Ankh. In 3D, it seems polarisation is the key to a peaceful transition from space/time to time/space, during the process of what we know as death.

Ra says the following as a portion of 69.1 -

...but it is highly probable that in another out-of-body experience such as death the entity here examined would, as most positively polarized entities, have a great deal of protection from comrades, guides, and portions of the self which would be aware of the transfer you call the physical death.

Conscious polarisation opens the door to many opportunities of aid, I suppose, though I am not sure. There is one more suggestion from Ra regarding the handling of the process of death by those around the physically dying entity, and the suggestion, at our level, is much easier said or recommended than actually done (part of 51.6) -

In fact, the process of the physical death is as we have described before: one in which there is aid available and the only need at death is the releasing of that entity from its body by those around it and the praising of the process by those who grieve.

[Ankh]

Hmm. Well I think it's possible to offer emotional healing in a metaphysical way..to smooth the transitional process as you say, relieving fears and bringing comfort. You know how people have contacts and their initial reaction is fear, then the entity relieves it somehow? Think of it as alleviating surface pain.

The thing is that I can't allow myself to think this or that might help. If I offer myself as a channel I must be blank for energy to work in the way It finds appropriate in order to sustain the free will. So the main question remains - should I do this or not? :-/

Remember the sessions discussing conditions before the veil, and how entities were able to control functions of the body and pain? It's possible you may be able to offer this somehow..reducing pain instead of healing.

Oh yes, my brother. I am quite interested in those sections for myself, but I can't offer anything else than being a channel for intelligent energy in order to not activate yellow ray.

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You are pulled by compassion to help as best you can, and that isn't a bad thing. I won't tell you not to offer this help, but IMHO you don't have to if it might get you into trouble.

The only trouble I would get is in that case disapproval by Higher Court of Higher Self.

Take off the green dress and put on yellow, so to speak, perhaps with a green scarf or other accessory.

LOOOL

[native]

The thing is that I can't allow myself to think this or that might help. If I offer myself as a channel I must be blank for energy to work in the way It finds appropriate in order to sustain the free will. So the main question remains - should I do this or not? :-/

True..got ahead of myself. Just try to stay as neutral as possible, with the reassurance that all is well. Try a healing once..listen to your reactions. Meditate on it. If over a period of time you still feel uncomfortable, that's probably your answer.

You always say your green ray isn't that active (maybe I'm misinterpreting), which I can't understand because you always come across as intensely compassionate. If that's the case perhaps these are lessons in balancing that compassion with acceptance of the unfortunate situation.

[Ankh]

You always say your green ray isn't that active (maybe I'm misinterpreting), which I can't understand because you always come across as intensely compassionate. If that's the case perhaps these are lessons in balancing that compassion with acceptance of the unfortunate situation.

Probably there is a lot of issues to ponder for me in this sentence, I just can't see it. Green nexi has been out of order for many, many years, and now I am consciously trying to open it with a strong desire and will to see where I can add and help with green ray as a base. So maybe I need to work some lessons before I can balance it... Don't know...

[Confused]

Green nexi has been out of order for many, many years, ...

What do you mean by that, Ankh, that is if you are willing to share? I can understand that it is not pleasant to rake up some memories.

[Ankh]

Green nexi has been out of order for many, many years, ...

What do you mean by that, Ankh, that is if you are willing to share? I can understand that it is not pleasant to rake up some memories.

No problems at all, my brother. You can read about it in post #22 in this thread:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...1#pid29901

Namasté

[Confused]

Everybody loves me, even my mother. But I can't feel it.

Dear sister, I am taking the above line from your profound personal story for my remarks.

Sister, can water feel water? Can fire know fire? May be you do not feel love, because you have become love. May be, just may be.

I do not know, but let the possibility hang there.

Remember, you said that the veil was transparent to you when you were quite young itself. Signs that probably you are an advanced soul who has passed through the higher densities. Again, may be, just may be. Only your higher self knows for sure.

[Ankh]

Everybody loves me, even my mother. But I can't feel it.

Dear sister, I am taking the above line from your profound personal story for my remarks.

Sister, can water feel water? Can fire know fire? May be you do not feel love, because you have become love. May be, just may be.

I do not know, but let the possibility hang there.

Remember, you said that the veil was transparent to you when you were quite young itself. Signs that probably you are an advanced soul who has passed through the higher densities. Again, may be, just may be. Only your higher self knows for sure.

Your ability to see Creator knocks me always out of my kitchen chair.
I humbly thank you for your kind words, my brother!

May the One bless you, you beautiful soul!
Namasté

[Confused]

...knocks me always out of my kitchen chair.

[native]

Probably there is a lot of issues to ponder for me in this sentence, I just can't see it. Green nexi has been out of order for many, many years, and now I am consciously trying to open it with a strong desire and will to see where I can add and help with green ray as a base. So maybe I need to work some lessons before I can balance it... Don't know...

Well you certainly radiate love and compassion..it puzzles me why you think your green ray is severely blocked! Wanting to alleviate pain in others to the point where you worry about it possibly being your duty to help is almost overly compassionate..strong green energy..needing balance. I'm not saying you think it's your duty, but you certainly have concerns over it pointing to active loving green energy. Those in 4d worry so much about others that they neglect and compromise the self.

I'm not an expert on the energy centers, but you seem to describe orange (acceptance of self) blockages more than anything. You may not feel the love of others because of problems with firstly loving the self..which we all battle constantly to some degree. How can one feel love from others if they firstly can't feel it for themselves? This loving energy radiated from another would then never be validated because of orange blockage, having nothing to do with green ray. Not sure..makes sense to me!

[Monica]

Well you certainly radiate love and compassion..it puzzles me why you think your green ray is severely blocked! Wanting to alleviate pain in others to the point where you worry about it possibly being your duty to help is almost overly compassionate..strong green energy..needing balance. I'm not saying you think it's your duty, but you certainly have concerns over it pointing to active loving green energy. Those in 4d worry so much about others that they neglect and compromise the self.

I'm not an expert on the energy centers, but you seem to describe orange (acceptance of self) blockages more than anything. You may not feel the love of others because of problems with firstly loving the self..which we all battle constantly to some degree. How can one feel love from others if they firstly can't feel it for themselves? This loving energy radiated from another would then never be validated because of orange blockage, having nothing to do with green ray. Not sure..makes sense to me!

This is very astute and I agree totally! I had exactly the same problem and thought my heart chakra was blocked because I couldn't feel love or joy, even while being very caring for others. It was my orange ray that was blocked.

Remedy: Forgiveness and acceptance of self.

[Confused]

Remedy: Forgiveness and acceptance of self.

Something that I need in copious amounts now; but unable to muster.

Accepting the self (in STO framework) implies accepting the self in all, which is not at all an easily livable option in 3D, in my personal opinion.

[native]

This is very astute and I agree totally! I had exactly the same problem and thought my heart chakra was blocked because I couldn't feel love or joy, even while being very caring for others. It was my orange ray that was blocked.

Remedy: Forgiveness and acceptance of self.

Mhm. Since it is a fundamental ray, it would seem that blockages can cause issues in all other areas. I too have found that once it is released, it's like opening up the flood gates of love so to speak

[Ankh]

I'm not an expert on the energy centers, but you seem to describe orange (acceptance of self) blockages more than anything. You may not feel the love of others because of problems with firstly loving the self..which we all battle constantly to some degree. How can one feel love from others if they firstly can't feel it for themselves? This loving energy radiated from another would then never be validated because of orange blockage, having nothing to do with green ray.

Stop shoot me where it hurts, brother!

makes sense to me!

That bears lot of sense to me too.

Sigh so here we go again, taking elevator back to the basement...

[Confused]

Sigh so here we go again, taking elevator back to the basement...

"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein

(quotation sourced from -- http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes...30982.html)

[native]

Stop shoot me where it hurts, brother!

That bears lot of sense to me too.

Sigh so here we go again, taking elevator back to the basement...

Lol..hey..like I said we all deal with it always to some degree.

But maybe it's a blue ray issue too..which deal with self issues also. Only you know!