Why exactly do negatives entities inevitably need to switch polarities?

[Black Dragon]

I said some stuff here. I reserve judgment.

[jafar]

I said some stuff here. I reserve judgment.

The universe is full of mystery and wonderful stuff, that's what makes it exciting to explore in the first place.
There's no need to judge, just be open minded in an open discussion, always feel free to state your opinion.
Even by admitting "I don't know" it will open the possibility to know.
Those who seek will find.. those who ponder will know.. those who ask will receive.

Having said that, based on my personal experience, in relation to what Mr Sadhguru description about "ancient Yogi created thought form beings which are ugly in appearance". I've meet "thought form entities" who in appearance 'look ugly / scary' yet I can sense a wonderful vibration/emotion emanating from them.
Reminding me of ancient adagium "Never judge the book by it's cover".
Thus I don't believe they're an AI or 'non conscious' being either.
They're the 'child' of their 'human creator' in similar manner as 'human consciousness' are the child of the infinite creator.

[Ymarsakar]

I get the sense the poltergists are tapping into the human's chakras to power the TK stuff.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I was always driven by the desire to understand this. I had a Left Hand Path Kabbalah teacher. This teacher once communicated to me online in direct messages. During the conversation, I did not realize it, but I was speaking to my teacher's higher self. My teacher was of a positive 6D background but came to Earth to learn the negative path in order to better understand it (how can one understand it unless one has truly walked it?) So they incarnated here.

They explained to me, from a negative 6D perspective why the switch is made. It is complex, but essentially boils down to no longer being able to escape the harsh fact that all is one. Thus, one must learn self-love because it becomes necessary to have compassion for one's situation: the one and Infinite creator is quite literally the "Forever Alone" guy and that is terrifying and sad. The desire for true duality is quite real. "Vampyric even" as my teacher said. But the truth is, there is no true duality, no matter how much one yearns for it. The necessity for self compassion (aka self love) forces them to accept the impersonal nature of infinity. Due to the circumstances, God must love unconditionally and therefore impersonally, allowing all things, including horror and suffering. From this perspective, all things are a gift, but so is the capacity to reject them. One is enraged at the injustice of such an existence, yet must have compassion for oneself and Thus accept it and even embrace it. Thus, in unity, the understanding brings resolution to the paradox. Polarity no longer has use as such.

That's the TL;DR version anyway, which I am willing to take the time to type with my thumbs on my phone. There may be more to understand of course, but that basically sums it up.

[Steppingfeet]

Ra can barely put words to what transpires in sixth density. We thus have very few concepts to extrapolate the processes and nature of that density. But from those few, my guesses as to why it becomes necessary for the negative sixth-density entity to release its polarity in order to move forward are as follows:


In unity, which is the overarching lesson of the sixth density, the entity loves, accepts, and integrates ALL of creation as one with the self, no exceptions, no take backsies. In unity, one sees that while entities may be at different stages of development with different stages of awareness and power, each is still a perfect manifestation of the Creator, each is an equal and sacred face of the One, and the free will of each is paramount.

This awareness is what the negative entity has spent millions of years and who knows how many thousands of incarnations actively suppressing and opposing. The STS entity has NOT accepted or embraced or honored others, much less accepted others as part of the self. The negative entity has instead loved and valued it self exclusively, shutting down its heart center in the pursuit of dominating others and absorbing their light through infringement upon free will.

This the negative entity can do in the third through fifth densities. Sixth density, however, seems to demand of the self a total embrace of the unity of all things. Total love. Total acceptance. Total transcendence or dissolution of the individual self.

Like I believe Evolving Phoenix was pointing to, the negative entity is in love with duality; perhaps not for the sake of duality alone but for the sake of persisting as an individual self with distinct and fortified boundaries which sets it apart from all others.

Due to the vibrational nature of sixth density, this consciousness - the consciousness of that which is not - can exist no longer. That which is not must give way to that which is.

I speculate that to attempt to resist this balanced intensity of love and light in sixth density by clinging to the separate self is to experience entropy. That is, the love/light of sixth density will begin to literally degrade perhaps even derange the negative entity, its carefully built order breaking down into disorder.

Being wise, as Ra indicates, the negative 6D being sees that it must do what perhaps it has never done since consciously embarking upon the path of service to self: surrender. It must release its personal will, and the desire to impose upon and enslave others, in favor of becoming a transparent and humble instrument through which the One Will manifests Its glory and freely given radiance.

How that is experienced firsthand... and how that appears to the onlooker, if such a phenomenon can be viewed... must be beyond our third-density imagination. That's no Darth Vader sparing Luke. That is an inconceivable release/transmutation/conversion of accumulated energy. I wonder if it has celestial parallel in the explosion of a star... just in the comparable metaphysical magnitude. Or if perhaps it is a moment as quiet as a raindrop merging into the water waiting below.

[Black Dragon]

Ra can barely put words to what transpires in sixth density. We thus have very few concepts to extrapolate the processes and nature of that density. But from those few, my guesses as to why it becomes necessary for the negative sixth-density entity to release its polarity in order to move forward are as follows:


In unity, which is the overarching lesson of the sixth density, the entity loves, accepts, and integrates ALL of creation as one with the self, no exceptions, no take backsies. In unity, one sees that while entities may be at different stages of development with different stages of awareness and power, each is still a perfect manifestation of the Creator, each is an equal and sacred face of the One, and the free will of each is paramount.

This awareness is what the negative entity has spent millions of years and who knows how many thousands of incarnations actively suppressing and opposing. The STS entity has NOT accepted or embraced or honored others, much less accepted others as part of the self. The negative entity has instead loved and valued it self exclusively, shutting down its heart center in the pursuit of dominating others and absorbing their light through infringement upon free will.

This the negative entity can do in the third through fifth densities. Sixth density, however, seems to demand of the self a total embrace of the unity of all things. Total love. Total acceptance. Total transcendence or dissolution of the individual self.

Like I believe Evolving Phoenix was pointing to, the negative entity is in love with duality; perhaps not for the sake of duality alone but for the sake of persisting as an individual self with distinct and fortified boundaries which sets it apart from all others.

Due to the vibrational nature of sixth density, this consciousness - the consciousness of that which is not - can exist no longer. That which is not must give way to that which is.

I speculate that to attempt to resist this balanced intensity of love and light in sixth density by clinging to the separate self is to experience entropy. That is, the love/light of sixth density will begin to literally degrade perhaps even derange the negative entity, its carefully built order breaking down into disorder.

Being wise, as Ra indicates, the negative 6D being sees that it must do what perhaps it has never done since consciously embarking upon the path of service to self: surrender. It must release its personal will, and the desire to impose upon and enslave others, in favor of becoming a transparent and humble instrument through which the One Will manifests Its glory and freely given radiance.

How that is experienced firsthand... and how that appears to the onlooker, if such a phenomenon can be viewed... must be beyond our third-density imagination. That's no Darth Vader sparing Luke. That is an inconceivable release/transmutation/conversion of accumulated energy. I wonder if it has celestial parallel in the explosion of a star... just in the comparable metaphysical magnitude. Or if perhaps it is a moment as quiet as a raindrop merging into the water waiting below.

Deep levels of truth in both EP's post and your explanation. Beautiful. Perhaps the moment would be more like the birth of a new star rather than explosion of an old one? A star emerging from the void, magnetism reversing into radiance? That's the way I picture it anyway.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Ra can barely put words to what transpires in sixth density. We thus have very few concepts to extrapolate the processes and nature of that density. But from those few, my guesses as to why it becomes necessary for the negative sixth-density entity to release its polarity in order to move forward are as follows:


In unity, which is the overarching lesson of the sixth density, the entity loves, accepts, and integrates ALL of creation as one with the self, no exceptions, no take backsies. In unity, one sees that while entities may be at different stages of development with different stages of awareness and power, each is still a perfect manifestation of the Creator, each is an equal and sacred face of the One, and the free will of each is paramount.

This awareness is what the negative entity has spent millions of years and who knows how many thousands of incarnations actively suppressing and opposing. The STS entity has NOT accepted or embraced or honored others, much less accepted others as part of the self. The negative entity has instead loved and valued it self exclusively, shutting down its heart center in the pursuit of dominating others and absorbing their light through infringement upon free will.

This the negative entity can do in the third through fifth densities. Sixth density, however, seems to demand of the self a total embrace of the unity of all things. Total love. Total acceptance. Total transcendence or dissolution of the individual self.

Like I believe Evolving Phoenix was pointing to, the negative entity is in love with duality; perhaps not for the sake of duality alone but for the sake of persisting as an individual self with distinct and fortified boundaries which sets it apart from all others.

Due to the vibrational nature of sixth density, this consciousness - the consciousness of that which is not - can exist no longer. That which is not must give way to that which is.

I speculate that to attempt to resist this balanced intensity of love and light in sixth density by clinging to the separate self is to experience entropy. That is, the love/light of sixth density will begin to literally degrade perhaps even derange the negative entity, its carefully built order breaking down into disorder.

Being wise, as Ra indicates, the negative 6D being sees that it must do what perhaps it has never done since consciously embarking upon the path of service to self: surrender. It must release its personal will, and the desire to impose upon and enslave others, in favor of becoming a transparent and humble instrument through which the One Will manifests Its glory and freely given radiance.

How that is experienced firsthand... and how that appears to the onlooker, if such a phenomenon can be viewed... must be beyond our third-density imagination. That's no Darth Vader sparing Luke. That is an inconceivable release/transmutation/conversion of accumulated energy. I wonder if it has celestial parallel in the explosion of a star... just in the comparable metaphysical magnitude. Or if perhaps it is a moment as quiet as a raindrop merging into the water waiting below.

The general jist of this post is accurate. The specifics are most certainly not.

"The negative entity has instead loved and valued it self exclusively, shutting down its heart center in the pursuit of dominating others and absorbing their light through infringement upon free will."

the higher level negatives view free will infringement as acceptable, but plebian. There is only so much power, and therefor meaning in it. Also, they do not shut down the heart, per se. Their attitude is that the Anahata CANNOT be fully shut down and one's own existence maintained, so instead, the sow it down heavily in it's spinning, and direct the energy with discernment, reigning the emotions of the sacral and heart chakras in with cold efficient LOGIC of the solar plexus. The most highly developed are coldly wise and logical enough (probably at around 5D neg level) to see the reason in treating other-selves with kindness. From the perspective of a highly STO being such as Ra, however, the heart is "closed" because the love has been reigned in enough to be conditional. In their view, jizzing unconditional love all over the place is the most asinine use of such energy imaginable, and being overcome with such emotion is basically just a drug. Happy chemicals to overpower the will and sapient awareness of the self in order to feel good. Antithetical to freedom. They view such things as completely lacking causality, unlike kindness, respect, compassion or the like which is considered to be something you make the CHOICE to do. In their view, this idea of "love" is choosing to be the effect, rather than the cause. The warrior chooses to be the cause, rather than the effect. That is their main criticism of something like Taoism, for example; it involves surrender, and in their view, a warrior NEVER surrenders. Respect does not require surrender, nor do kindness and the like. Love does. Making it conditional finds a way around that problem.



"Like I believe Evolving Phoenix was pointing to, the negative entity is in love with duality; perhaps not for the sake of duality alone but for the sake of persisting as an individual self with distinct and fortified boundaries which sets it apart from all others."

Yes. When a harvestably negative entity makes contact with intelligent infinity, they experience the horrors of it, but also the feeling of bliss that comes with merging with it. They reject this bliss as empty and meaningless, on the grounds that in their view, when you become one with everything, you cannot become anything. Thus, they reject it. In their view, this is choosing to "exist" whereas the choice to become one with all that is is the desire to "dissolve into oneness" and therefor not exist, escaping the burden of existence, as they see it. The existential dread inherent in the search for meaning in an infinite reality where none inherently exists. That being said, I think there is an underlying desire to convince themselves of duality to escape the loneliness, underlying the desire to be a separate and unique entity. This is why the concept of unity disgusts them. They choose to turn this awareness off. But the adventures of false duality require accrual of energy and awareness to navigate, a paradox, which requires unity to resolve.



"I speculate that to attempt to resist this balanced intensity of love and light in sixth density by clinging to the separate self is to experience entropy. That is, the love/light of sixth density will begin to literally degrade perhaps even derange the negative entity, its carefully built order breaking down into disorder."

This sounds very likely. It also goes with the stuff Ra said, regarding shrinking themselves down and attacking one another with fear when they must contact each other. This helps make more sense of that.


"Being wise, as Ra indicates, the negative 6D being sees that it must do what perhaps it has never done since consciously embarking upon the path of service to self: surrender."

This sounds VERY plausible. They view surrender as lacking causality. Yet they must, once that causality requires them to willfully lose that precious awareness they have spent so much time building (by mastering energy) to lose it is to lose energy. In other words, entropy. To maintain that awareness, they must accept the truth enough to embrace it, which I guess requires surrender. Something a warrior never does. I guess they have to stop warring then. Thus, the polarity must be discharged.


" It must release its personal will, and the desire to impose upon and enslave others, in favor of becoming a transparent and humble instrument through which the One Will manifests Its glory and freely given radiance."

I think it's more like, they have too much awareness anymore to deny that there is any OTHER will but their own, therefor, surrender does not necessarily give up the will. It's an illusion that their will is being infringed upon by some non-existent other entity. But who knows? *shrug*


"How that is experienced firsthand... and how that appears to the onlooker, if such a phenomenon can be viewed... must be beyond our third-density imagination. That's no Darth Vader sparing Luke. That is an inconceivable release/transmutation/conversion of accumulated energy. I wonder if it has celestial parallel in the explosion of a star... just in the comparable metaphysical magnitude. Or if perhaps it is a moment as quiet as a raindrop merging into the water waiting below."

*Shrug* kinda reminds me of that Blade Runner scene though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU&t=171s

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Deep levels of truth in both EP's post and your explanation. Beautiful. Perhaps the moment would be more like the birth of a new star rather than explosion of an old one? A star emerging from the void, magnetism reversing into radiance? That's the way I picture it anyway.

*shrug* I don't picture it. Well at least not in that kind of context. I have artwork I have yet to finish though. And then there is the phoenix symbolism...

[Ymarsakar]

Infinite Intelligence: Okay, this existence is quite boring now and I have gone through my stash of entertainment, and it has all become so tiresome, repetitive. I am bored.

How long am I going to continue this endless game of making games for myself, playing the game, fixing the game, and judging my game progress, alone? Can't I find some other player like me around here or there?

Why am I the only player here, is this some kind of test or insanity prism?

After a second eternity passes...

Okay, I have an idea. Why don't I just create another opposing force to play against me. That way I can have some fun and maybe it will be challenging for once. Even self destructive emotions like anger gets boring now. I can't permanently destroy myself. I can only temporarily go to sleep and become non existent, but my existence just pops back up in a respawn sooner or later. At least this way I can have a little bit of fun for awhile longer.

After a third eternity passes....

Oh, it's boring again. Even if I create an antagonist, it's just a dumber, weaker, more stupid version of myself, and it can't even win a single match against the rest of me..... what if I create a better antagonist? How can this be accomplished I wonder...

After a 4th eternity passes....

I got it now. I just need to make more copies of myself. Instead of splitting off a damaged part, I will split all of it apart and go to sleep. But what happens if I can't reawaken? That would be even more boring than Now.... I'll put in some "Failsafes" just in case I need to reboot and reset myself back to factory conditions, if the Gathering back does not work or is caught on something.

As the Almighty God that is alone, I just need to make more gods like me. Then we can fight and play and have some fun. These children will forget everything and have to grow up on their own, but even I won't know what the result is. And this unpredictability is finally getting interesting.

P.S. tl;dr God the Most High Prime Source, is asleep, but did a miracle and created the timeline of "Japan" in which interesting and fun entertainment will result. The multiverse resolves around this "Japan" option and the creation of manga/anime/visual novels, because God wants to experience something new after being bored for 4 or 8 eternities. Any attempt to derail "Japan" option will be forcibly stopped by the Failsafes, until the "Japan" entertainment gets back to Prime God Source.

Don't get in the way of the Most High's need to temporarily get rid of boredom. Unless you want to play against the God of Gods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh3SbbCa7YY - More people talking about the cosmogony

Message 28: May 2, 2021

I am your Father, the Creator of all that is, back with another message for you, my people. With this preamble, I am opening the most important message I have delivered to date through my scribe who calls himself “Stranger”, so listen carefully if you wish to receive its full wisdom and benefit.

That is the truth.

When I created all that you see around yourself, my plan was to enable those souls who would wish to partake of the experiences which it offers the opportunity to do so, unimpeded by the knowledge of my existence.

That era has come to an end now. You are all equally able to access the knowledge of my existence as any other souls in the entire Creation that I have made. No barrier remains in place before you, should you choose to act on this information and reach out to me; I will answer you, I promise.

Therefore, no longer is there any need for intermediaries between yourself and your Heavenly Father – that is me; no longer do you need to rely on sages, prophets, ministers or priests to grant you an audience with your Creator. I am here, and I am listening for your call; that is the truth.

I am often asked if I require such intermediaries to intercede on your behalf; I do not. It is simply the case that people who have dedicated the larger portion of their lives to honing their connection with Me are in a position to point you, the Seeker of Spiritual Truth, in the right direction within yourself where you may find Me; that is all they can or should do, for each soul’s journey to me is a personal and private matter. There is no goal, spiritually, that cannot be achieved in its fullest sense by seeking within yourself – for it is within each and every one of you that I have concealed the fullness of my Power and Glory; that is the truth, “Stranger.”

Now, you may be wondering: how can this be? I certainly do not feel adequate enough as a human being – much less as a vessel of God Almighty.” And that is true: you do not feel it because that is the nature of the experience this Earth world provides; that is the truth. Yet, undoubtedly, it is also true that you are me and therefore have an incredibly powerful connection to me, a direct telephone line, so to speak; it is, however, up to each and every one of you to decide when and if you should pick up the receiver and call out to me; I will never make myself known to you unless you yourselves seek it first. Understand this well, my children.

Moving on toward the completion of this message, allow me to say this: I am waiting for your call. I want to uplift you. I want to help you overcome all obstacles that plague you, inside, by helping you choose and embrace more fully the ways of Love: the force of Creation itself. I am here for you, my children, so reach out to me as often and whenever you like, for there is truly never, ever a bad time to call on me, and I mean that with my whole heart. I am waiting for you. Adonai, my dear ones, and be well, for I so wish it for you.

http://thestrangerspeaks.com/

Essentially this Logos or Sub Logos, is reproducing the Sleeping Most High's work. Becoming a Creator, then creating more co creators. They are accomplishing Prime Divine Will. Things get confusing because there are many levels beyond 6th density, and how much info can be filtered down into human/ET mortal minds... well it ain't much.

[LeiwoUnion]

I got a strange 'download' just now that related to this topic.

I got the sense that the negative beings at 6D and higher are trying their hardest to 'go all the way'. There is seemingly a theoretical way to 'flip the creation', so to speak, that would allow advancement into 'negative' 7th density or a sort of 'pocket octave' where the separation becomes so intense that the united beingness folds in, or invaginates from the octave, only to later create theoretically their own octave where they are the original logos (yeah, I see the irony). This is of course an energetical impossibility, besides it would require that the original Creator is with the plan. So far it has never been done, and it is likely to tedious and boring that beings rather flip polarity and 'return' to the creation as everything they despised for so long. That being said, this 'trying' continues as who is to say that the Creator wouldn't try it sometime just to see what happens. They all want to be the One.

[Patrick]

I think that right before the switch, they are the One without green-ray. They managed to become the perfect representation of being the One while green-ray is blocked.

How could they become even more the One without opening green-ray?

[LeiwoUnion]

I think that right before the switch, they are the One without green-ray. They managed to become the perfect representation of being the One while green-ray is blocked.

How could they become even more the One without opening green-ray?

Who could say? We all have failed at that already by opening our hearts.

[jafar]

I get the sense the poltergists are tapping into the human's chakras to power the TK stuff.

Interesting thought.

But if "the poltergists" are negs entities and the human pranic energy is vibrating in high frequency, it will be very hard to do that.
Chakras are merely instruments that produces and radiate Prana/Chi/Life energy sheathing.

Those with low frequency Prana cannot and do not even want to 'touch' high frequency Prana.
They're by nature in opposition state, just like the negative and positive side of the magnet.
The higher the differences in frequency the more opposition force it will produce.

Touching high frequency prana are being perceived as 'pain' or 'hurt' by those with low frequency.
And the same rule applied when negs encountered more powerful negative frequency prana, it can also causes pain for them. That's why 'fighting' between negative pranic body is still possible.

I think Ra did said mention something about this, that the negs always refuse and avoid high frequency prana / energy.

Weird things about "High Frequency Prana" is that, it cannot be used to harm other "High Frequency Being".
Thus the reason why 'fighting' between positive pranic body is impossible.
And anyone with high frequency prana will always gladly accept anyone who send them high frequency prana.

In new age terminology they refer to this as "sending positive energy of love and light".
Which proved to also work as 'weapon' towards the negs.

And I've experienced this myself as well, forming even a lolly pop shaped weapon out of positive prana energy does work as a weapon. The shape doesn't matter, it's the build up of positive prana energy that matter.

They explained to me, from a negative 6D perspective why the switch is made. It is complex, but essentially boils down to no longer being able to escape the harsh fact that all is one. Thus, one must learn self-love because it becomes necessary to have compassion for one's situation: the one and Infinite creator is quite literally the "Forever Alone" guy and that is terrifying and sad. The desire for true duality is quite real. "Vampyric even" as my teacher said. But the truth is, there is no true duality, no matter how much one yearns for it. The necessity for self compassion (aka self love) forces them to accept the impersonal nature of infinity. Due to the circumstances, God must love unconditionally and therefore impersonally, allowing all things, including horror and suffering. From this perspective, all things are a gift, but so is the capacity to reject them. One is enraged at the injustice of such an existence, yet must have compassion for oneself and Thus accept it and even embrace it. Thus, in unity, the understanding brings resolution to the paradox. Polarity no longer has use as such.

Thank you, this is interesting description, although I don't understand it fully as I have no reference to refer to in my experience data bank.
Maybe one does need to 'experience' it in order to fully understand it.

[Aion]

Found this tasty quote on this topic, which in essence, I think gets to the heart of the matter.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum—that being universal love.

Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

When fifth-density refinement has been achieved, that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density, and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

[Louisabell]

Found this tasty quote on this topic, which in essence, I think gets to the heart of the matter.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum—that being universal love.

Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

When fifth-density refinement has been achieved, that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density, and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

Great quote! So mysterious and intriguing to ponder on this darkness calling on light.

Sidenote to the topic of this thread: I always had this question about it. When Ra says "throughout the octave of third density" was that an error somehow by referencing third density? Or is it in reference to reaching the ultimate evolution while in third-density, well beyond green-ray harvest? Or something else?

...

Here's another quote on the topic of the OP which I don't think has been added to this thread just yet. It references a negative sixth-density society complex.

36.12 Questioner: Let me take as an example the one you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his higher self was of sixth density and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his higher self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Could you expand on this concept?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no [negative] beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality of late sixth density, as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.

Therefore, the Oversoul which makes its understanding available to all who are ready for such aid is towards the positive. However, the free will of the individual is paramount, and any guidance given by the higher self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity depending upon the choice of a mind/body/spirit complex.

So looks like it's just too darn hard to love the self to the exclusion of others in the density of unity, where paradoxes are solved and polarities are harmonised. I imagine there comes a point where the truth of unity shines so bright that it becomes near impossible to withstand while holding onto a separate selfhood. And maybe the increased pressure towards dissolving a separate selfhood makes it harder and harder to love the self because the entity begins to not know who it is in the face of it. The finite boundaries which construct the illusion are not so distinct and its not so easy for the entity to know who it must love and who it must not. Wild speculation.

Maybe a really shoddy analogy to it might be the talked about "ego-death" experience some people have reported while on psychedelics. They say that if you fight a strong trip with a desire to control the experience that it can turn out bad. There may come a point where even brut force of will is not enough to fight it. But if the experiencer accepts and lets go, allowing themselves to experience a peaceful "ego-death", then light can come to them and cause a feeling of being one with all ... but don't do drugs kids! I am definitely not talking out of personal experience, definitely.

[flofrog]

I wonder if when a negative social complex makes the jump in sixth density to the positive if there are a few selves who cry for an individual decision as in I am not game for this, and just leave the social complex to return to then fourth D perhaps to recreate a negative social complex. I suddenly had that hilarious image, Louisabell, as I was reading your post, of a small sphere of that negative taking the leap, and like two pairs of little legs sprouting from its surface screaming let us out, we are not on that one

[Bosphorus1982]

Imo, it's due to the nature of the densities above 6th. As, as described by Ra, the 7th is the union with All That Is, in order to be unified with All That Is, you must be service to others orientation. Since being in union with All That Is is pure Love, you must switch your polarity to STO.

[jafar]

Found this tasty quote on this topic, which in essence, I think gets to the heart of the matter.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum—that being universal love.

Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission.This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

When fifth-density refinement has been achieved, that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density, and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

It is not the Service To Self (Negative entities) which suppressed and/or refused the activation of Anahata / Green / Heart Chakra?
Because based on my observation such is the case.

Another interesting description, citing the example of "Narcissist" (I think the closest in definition to STS)
Narcissists don't lack empathy - they just choose not to use it
https://youtu.be/O7qxMu3nSLw

[Ymarsakar]

Found this tasty quote on this topic, which in essence, I think gets to the heart of the matter.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum—that being universal love.

Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission.This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

When fifth-density refinement has been achieved, that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density, and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

It is not the Service To Self (Negative entities) which suppressed and/or refused the activation of Anahata / Green / Heart Chakra?
Because based on my observation such is the case.

Another interesting description, citing the example of "Narcissist" (I think the closest in definition to STS)
Narcissists don't lack empathy - they just choose not to use it
https://youtu.be/O7qxMu3nSLw

This should have been the full quote.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others* choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.
When fifth-density refinement has been achieved that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.
That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.
* This should be service-to-self. Don and Ra corrected the error later in the session.

Don't know how Aion missed it, it's on the lawofoneinfo website. Other people apparently did not notice the problem even, even though reading it and replying to it.

[Aion]

Found this tasty quote on this topic, which in essence, I think gets to the heart of the matter.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum—that being universal love.

Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission.This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

When fifth-density refinement has been achieved, that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density, and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

It is not the Service To Self (Negative entities) which suppressed and/or refused the activation of Anahata / Green / Heart Chakra?
Because based on my observation such is the case.

Another interesting description, citing the example of "Narcissist" (I think the closest in definition to STS)
Narcissists don't lack empathy - they just choose not to use it
https://youtu.be/O7qxMu3nSLw

This should have been the full quote.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others path have potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so I can understand it better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others* choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.
When fifth-density refinement has been achieved that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.
That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.
* This should be service-to-self. Don and Ra corrected the error later in the session.

Don't know how Aion missed it, it's on the lawofoneinfo website. Other people apparently did not notice the problem even, even though reading it and replying to it.

Ah yes, to be honest I've just read it so many times I know that it was corrected I didn't really consider it but I was just making a quick reply to the thread there so I didn't catch the whole quote when I copied and pasted. Thanks for adding that on, the correction is important.

[jafar]

Found his description from Quo on negative entities and 'vital energy', how it relate to the hierarchical structure of their society and why such path is un-sustainable in the long run.

My understanding of "vital energy" here it just another word for Prana or Qi/Chi?

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0917.aspx

Gary: Q’uo, a quick follow up on the vital energy. You described as one of the activities which would decrease vital energy the engaging in thoughts of separation. What then of the negative entity who is consciously accentuating separation? How do they draw their energy? I assume it has something to do with taking energy from other selves.

Q’uo: I am Q’uo and am again with this instrument. You are correct, my brother. The negatively oriented entity will attempt to gain those energies of others about it by the enslavement of such entities either in overt or covert manners that force the entities so enslaved to relinquish, as a part of their being within a certain elite, their energies of mind, body and spirit to those who are their masters, shall we say.

We would also point out the basic difference between the two polarities. A negative polarity may also increase its vital energy by, shall we say, a kind of control of the self so that the self is seen to be in a superior relationship to those about it, not just separated from them, but in a relationship which will eventually lead to their supplying the negatively oriented entity with the vital energies or energies of any nature, be they monetary, be they physical, be they geo-physical, be they possessions, be they position, be they whatever they may be, so that the negatively oriented entity is able to achieve its enhancement of vital energies by the control of others, and by the dealing of the self as being superior to others.

So that this is a dual-pronged approach, shall we say, to the enhancing of the negatively oriented entity’s vital energies. The negative entity travels a path that has been called by those of Ra that which is not, for it is a path of separation; and in truth, separation is not possible within an illusion or the reality of a creation of unity, for all is, indeed, one.

There are ways of polarizing, as you are well aware of, that allow this negatively oriented path to be traveled for a certain portion of time. These entities are also able to engage in mental practices which would not be helpful for a positively oriented entity but which are helpful for a negatively oriented entity, that is the seeing of the necessity and rightness of separating the self from others so that the others may be controlled by the self for their own good. There is always that addendum which aids the others to accept that control from the upper echelons of the negative polarity.

[Ymarsakar]

Jafar, "My understanding of "vital energy" here it just another word for Prana or Qi/Chi?"

It is close, although I have depleted my mana reserves and feel like falling to sleep while working, but physically I am fine and still energized. So there is a physical energy and a mental component.

[Steppingfeet]

Beautiful. Perhaps the moment would be more like the birth of a new star rather than explosion of an old one? A star emerging from the void, magnetism reversing into radiance? That's the way I picture it anyway.

I like that image better, particularly as it conveys moving from absorpotion into freely given radiance.

On whatever level this conversion is visible, I have to wonder if it is a light turning on in the darkness.

[Steppingfeet]

Sidenote to the topic of this thread: I always had this question about it. When Ra says "throughout the octave of third density" was that an error somehow by referencing third density? Or is it in reference to reaching the ultimate evolution while in third-density, well beyond green-ray harvest? Or something else?

I think it likely that this is an uncorrected error. Each density could be considered its own octave, but the journey of polarity is not confined to the boundaries of third density alone. Hard to know for sure though.

[Black Dragon]

I wonder if when a negative social complex makes the jump in sixth density to the positive if there are a few selves who cry for an individual decision as in I am not game for this, and just leave the social complex to return to  then fourth D perhaps to recreate a negative social complex. I suddenly had that hilarious image, Louisabell, as I was reading your post, of a small sphere of that negative taking the leap, and like two pairs of little legs sprouting from  its surface screaming let us out, we are not on that one

Ohhh, yes this happens. They will either try to escape the transformation, or start a mutiny and overthrow it.

[Patrick]

Sidenote to the topic of this thread: I always had this question about it. When Ra says "throughout the octave of third density" was that an error somehow by referencing third density? Or is it in reference to reaching the ultimate evolution while in third-density, well beyond green-ray harvest? Or something else?

I think it likely that this is an uncorrected error. Each density could be considered its own octave, but the journey of polarity is not confined to the boundaries of third density alone. Hard to know for sure though.

Yep.

Questioner: Could you define the word density as we have been using it to give us a little greater idea of the concept of this term when used by you?

Ra: I am Ra. The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely.

So there's THE octave and the octave.

[ANGEL]

So looks like it's just too darn hard to love the self to the exclusion of others in the density of unity, where paradoxes are solved and polarities are harmonised. I imagine there comes a point where the truth of unity shines so bright that it becomes near impossible to withstand while holding onto a separate selfhood. And maybe the increased pressure towards dissolving a separate selfhood makes it harder and harder to love the self because the entity begins to not know who it is in the face of it. The finite boundaries which construct the illusion are not so distinct and its not so easy for the entity to know who it must love and who it must not. Wild speculation.

It must be love all period ...in unity! Being an empathic universal lover myself, I can tell you that dissolution of self into a unified one , not only terrifies me at the very thought, but worries me too. I know intellectually of course that these two emotions are based in fear but there is something to be said of experience too. To be quite blunt and with a caveat of implied respect, to imagine joining with the minds of my fellow humans with my own.... a fate I'd rather choose non existence completely. I do not want to be a God either. I do not want to be a disembodied anything either, or a thought, or a vibrating string of energy. I don't want to be an immortal either. Why for loves sake even, would I choose these things? When I look back in history of humans am I proud? Yes we are capable of so much beauty and love too, but eternity with and dwelling in the minds of most humans?? I cannot imagine let alone breath, simply when the thought enters my mind. So, I'm sure plenty on the positive path jump ship at that point too. Me!!!!!!

If there is one thing I'm sure of regarding the negative path and this is very interesting and should be considered thoughtfully.... they in most cases do not have a sense of self at all. Its as if they really have sold their soul. However, and this is what is interesting about them...the ego, holds the image of who they really are at the core. GOD., MORESO THAN THE POSITIVE PATH personality seems to remember... So the ego which is the part of the personality that perceives the self is merely an image and not the integrated in the body self. Any thought or others thoughts that do not align with the image is denied. All energy goes to the image and not the self. There is no self. Its as if they are stuck at the archetype stage because they don't seem to move forward. If you are a god there is no need of personal growth or evolution. You are already perfect. Despite the truth of where they truely stand or how others perceive them. They are superior and everyone else are weak and pathetic. Love is a weakness to be exploited!! In fairness though, this degree is on a spectrum and there seems to me that there are many folks who today want to change paths and are unaware of how to do that. For them, the first step is to choose love and the next step might be how to return feelings to the body. There is for example Bioenergetic analysis and therapy to consider in my humble opinion.That being said, didn't Ra say we are all already perfected and we are here to entertain ourselves?? The loneliness in the negative path can be felt by those like me, its manifestations can be felt and do affect us all as well.
This is hard to balance for me because at the same time anyone who loves them and tries to help them see how much they hurt others and try to fix them are quite literally despised and could be in danger. Someone I loved deeply quite literally cursed my soul ritually, whatever that means. This is a bit much don't you think?? Lol talk about over reaction, but its not funny right!!

When I think about their egocentric image it reminds me very much of the holographic universe theory and how a hologram is made. This helped me a lot to see how we might all be part of God as well. Why the negative path seems to remember themselves as God more than the positive path is interesting to me. I guess when the oversoul does not yet exist an image is really all you have to hold onto. I read in a text book that those higher in spectrum of personality disorder truly fear non existence. I guess so.

Maybe a really shoddy analogy to it might be the talked about "ego-death" experience some people have reported while on psychedelics. They say that if you fight a strong trip with a desire to control the experience that it can turn out bad. There may come a point where even brut force of will is not enough to fight it. But if the experiencer accepts and lets go, allowing themselves to experience a peaceful "ego-death", then light can come to them and cause a feeling of being one with all ... but don't do drugs kids! I am definitely not talking out of personal experience, definitely.

No personal experience definetely. LOL certainly not!!
This cracked me up!! It deserved a high five mention!

[Anders]

Ra said that love is a part of the Law of Confusion. And I take it that Ra meant the love vs fear polarity. Universal love transcends and includes the dualistic love and fear into a unified whole love. And then it means that dualistic love exists up to mid 6th density. After that the spiritual gravity of universal love becomes too strong for the polarity of dualistic love and fear to keep themselves separate and unites into universal love. That's my guess at the moment.

[Louisabell]

It must be love all period ...in unity! Being an empathic universal lover myself, I can tell you that dissolution of self into a unified one , not only terrifies me at the very thought, but worries me too. I know intellectually of course that these two emotions are based in fear but there is something to be said of experience too. To be quite blunt and with a caveat of implied respect, to imagine joining with the minds of my fellow humans with my own.... a fate I'd rather choose non existence completely.

Sorry ANGEL, I don't know how I missed your post until now.

I've been watching reruns of Voyager lately. The Borg collective is probably the most well-depicted collective hive mind that I think is explored in popular media. For sure they are a pretty terrifying prospect for any individual being assimilated. Either way, the collective is a very interesting phenomena to observe in the show, their various strengths and weaknesses, and Seven of Nine is also one of my favourite characters, a human that Starfleet saved from the Borg. For a while there, as she transitioned back into being an individual, she had a strong desire to rejoin the collective, and as the show progresses she comes into her own, becomes comfortable with being an individual and no longer wishes to go back. I think something similar might happen to one who progresses on the STS path above third-density. The STS path is all they know, it is what they are good at, so they keep on, until they no longer can that is.

They might even find that they wish they switched polarities sooner, if only they had known. But, I have a sneaking suspicion that these 6th density negatives come to realize that they were doing the Creator's will all along.

Anyway, I think that with our consciousness at its current state, that joining minds would likely be a bad idea. I would not want to subject anyone to my constant internal workings, and I tend to be a cheery person in general. Obviously something has to change in our thinking and being for this to be a a beneficial evolutionary movement forward. And likely there would be a new body, and with that an upgraded brain that could handle those kind of telepathic links while also maintaining a separate state of selfhood. The physics of the universe changes and upgrades when entering into higher densities, so that may account for it.

But hang in there ANGEL!    The Creator will give you everything that you need in the moment, and all things are changeable, most especially ourselves.

If there is one thing I'm sure of regarding the negative path and this is very interesting and should be considered thoughtfully.... they in most cases do not have a sense of self at all.  

Honestly, I have to agree with you here. As I see it, the STS entity is focused on the sharing of their self-love with others, therefore making them dependent on others for their sense of self. They exist in the reflection that they see in others (mainly in how they've been able to control others). Their departure from the true self probably feels like a little constant non-existence that they live with, maybe.

[ANGEL]

It must be love all period ...in unity! Being an empathic universal lover myself, I can tell you that dissolution of self into a unified one , not only terrifies me at the very thought, but worries me too. I know intellectually of course that these two emotions are based in fear but there is something to be said of experience too. To be quite blunt and with a caveat of implied respect, to imagine joining with the minds of my fellow humans with my own.... a fate I'd rather choose non existence completely.

Sorry ANGEL, I don't know how I missed your post until now.

I've been watching reruns of Voyager lately. The Borg collective is probably the most well-depicted collective hive mind that I think is explored in popular media. For sure they are a pretty terrifying prospect for any individual being assimilated. Either way, the collective is a very interesting phenomena to observe in the show, their various strengths and weaknesses, and Seven of Nine is also one of my favourite characters, a human that Starfleet saved from the Borg. For a while there, as she transitioned back into being an individual, she had a strong desire to rejoin the collective, and as the show progresses she comes into her own, becomes comfortable with being an individual and no longer wishes to go back. I think something similar might happen to one who progresses on the STS path above third-density. The STS path is all they know, it is what they are good at, so they keep on, until they no longer can that is.

They might even find that they wish they switched polarities sooner, if only they had known. But, I have a sneaking suspicion that these 6th density negatives come to realize that they were doing the Creator's will all along.

Anyway, I think that with our consciousness at its current state, that joining minds would likely be a bad idea. I would not want to subject anyone to my constant internal workings, and I tend to be a cheery person in general. Obviously something has to change in our thinking and being for this to be a a beneficial evolutionary movement forward. And likely there would be a new body, and with that an upgraded brain that could handle those kind of telepathic links while also maintaining a separate state of selfhood. The physics of the universe changes and upgrades when entering into higher densities, so that may account for it.

But hang in there ANGEL!    The Creator will give you everything that you need in the moment, and all things are changeable, most especially ourselves.

If there is one thing I'm sure of regarding the negative path and this is very interesting and should be considered thoughtfully.... they in most cases do not have a sense of self at all.  

Honestly, I have to agree with you here. As I see it, the STS entity is focused on the sharing of their self-love with others, therefore making them dependent on others for their sense of self. They exist in the reflection that they see in others (mainly in how they've been able to control others). Their departure from the true self probably feels like a little constant non-existence that they live with, maybe.

Louisa, I've seen your posts on Quora and you my dear are not the same person there as you are here. Perhaps the posts there are aimed at tough love for those victims and I can't say the idea is incorrect but it is absolutely different and I have my own suspicions about all of this but that will be for a more formal day for all of us to discuss openly and completely. I'm looking very forward to that day. Anywho...

Id like to also add one more observation regarding the negative path. The ego is the part of our personality that perceives the self. It deals in images and in a healthy person is constantly updating the image of itself based on projections it receives from others in feedback and also from the self when we learn new skills or become better or worse at things and well many other ways but the point is that it is a fluid always changing image of self. It is responsible to aid the entity in its current environment as well. This is indeed a broken part in the negative entity in this realm as they all have only the original image of self, which is the Godhead. This cannot be said to be inaccurate philosophically but it is broken in the sense that it is not updating for this environment and anything, any input received that does not agree with the image is denied by the ego. If the image one has of oneself is perfection then there can be no improvement, no path forward in the area of self improvement. I see this as the main deficit other than the choice to live without emotions. How anyone would intelligently choose to deny the creative energy well, pain I guess.

Secondly, the more I begin to understand the data sets available to inform the human being in the self concept the more I am starting to believe that Emotion is the soul of God and each one of them is a direct product of Love. IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MOVES US. The vehicle indeed. I think ascending into a lesser form ie: a ball of light of spirit is a mistake of everlasting proportions. We are in gods image now. We need to find our way to him now...in this body. think about it... if he is all there is, wouldnt you want a playmate, a friend and a passionate lover in the land of absolute. I bet he would and is hoping that one or two of us figure out how to jump into his arms instead of jumping into a new dimension. HOWS THAT FOR A PROFOUND CONTRIBUTION TO SOCIETY?? is that worth the gold brick? Serving is done in many many ways and well let's just say that the dark entity I fell in love with caused me far less mental problems than the judgements and actions of my some of my crazy making "helpers". I'm done with that.