Dealing with the negative polarized

[MrWho]

Ra stated they had accelerated 4th and 6th density experiences in space time because they were more harmonious in their 3rd density.

It required a lot less "space/time".

That is the "nature" of the positive polarity and harmony and progression through the densities.

[Aion]

I don't really believe that every positive SMC ever goes through the same progression as Ra, personally. That wouldn't make sense to me.

That only establishes that the Ra civilization was oriented that way, it was through their own orientation that lead to the acceleration. I don't think "harmony" looks the same for every civilization pushing fourth-density.

They also said they had to spend extra time in 5th density due to their biases gained through 3rd and 4th, so there's clearly ups and downs to the orientation.

The "lengths" of the path are relative to the efforts of the entities traversing them as it appears to me.

Ra does say the positive path can be more 'efficient', but that doesn't necessarily always mean faster.

[MrWho]

Exactly. Consider two entities who both harvest from 3rd to 4th. one positive, one negative.

Imagine they both bearly pass. The negative has an advantage because they are closer to complete polarity.

By the end of their 4th density experience both near 98% polarity. The ground made up by the positive is much more. However.

Those who practice the positive polarity in 3rd density. Often do so and progress beyond the 51% threshold. Giving them the advantage in 4th of love.

Also the negative is loath to progress through 4th. While accelerated 5th is helpful. Again they resist through to early 6th.

Again slowed because of being less harmonious.

Ultimately making the positive polarity, on average. Shorter.

There are always exceptions.

[Aion]

That seems hiiiighly generalized to me, and also polarity isn't really the main thing for graduating to fifth and sixth, so I'm not even sure that really provides any actual 'advantage' one way or the other. Also there seems to be this assumption that entities just take a clear linear path from one end to the other but I think it's a lot messier than that, personally.

Based on Ra technically the only seen 'end' to the negative path is the switch to the positive in 6D, which they say typically happens quickly as the negative is wise enough to see the need so 6D isn't necessarily 'slowed' for them. It seems more unusual for them to resist.

36.15 Questioner: Well, then let’s say that when Himmler, for instance, reaches sixth-density negative at the beginnings of sixth-density negative, at this time would it be the case that an entity would realize that his higher self is sixth-density positively oriented and, for that reason, make the jump from negative to positive orientation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth density. Thus, loving the Creator, and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.

36.16 Questioner: Then the sixth-density entity who has reached that point in positive orientation may choose to become what we call a wanderer and move back. I am wondering if this ever occurs with a negatively oriented sixth-density entity? Do any move back as wanderers?

Ra: I am Ra. Once the negatively polarized entity has reached a certain point in the wisdom density it becomes extremely unlikely that it will choose to risk the forgetting, for this polarization is not selfless but selfish and, with wisdom, realizes the jeopardy of such “wandering.” Occasionally a sixth-density negative entity becomes a wanderer in an effort to continue to polarize towards the negative. This is extremely unusual.

Fifth density really seems to be quite variable, I don't see any way to 'average' the progression there.

All in all, I guess I'm just trying to say, I think it's basically a moot point as there are too many factors to really make any truthful generalizations about it, in my opinion.

[MrWho]

I think that is agreeable.

[Patrick]

I thought STS was a longer path because of the need to retrace STO understanding after the switch. You basically have to walk the STO path after walking the STS path.

I often wonder if the "victims" of STS are often those entities after switching polarity.

[Raukura Waihaha]

I thought STS was a longer path because of the need to retrace STO understanding after the switch. You basically have to walk the STO path after walking the STS path.

I often wonder if the "victims" of STS are often those entities after switching polarity.

Unless you've completed STO and return as STS.
Surely that would be like a victory lap? RIP Nipsey

[MrWho]

The way I see it. At the end of an StS incarnation in 5th density. They see themselves as god. Nothing else exists besides them, in their perspective. This entity would surely spend as much, "time" in this state as it could afford.

Really, at all points I do not see an StS willing to move on to the next step. They love being themselves. And "dieing", merging with the infinite creator does cause a distinct loss of "self".

What more does an StS value?

[Minyatur]

I thought STS was a longer path because of the need to retrace STO understanding after the switch. You basically have to walk the STO path after walking the STS path.

I often wonder if the "victims" of STS are often those entities after switching polarity.

I don't think there is a need to retrace the STO path.

19.18 Questioner: I assume that an entity on either path can decide to choose paths at any time and possibly retrace steps, the path-changing being more difficult the farther along is gone. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have.

Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern.

Seems more about 3D, but I think it still applies.

Like Aion quoted, I do think it is an instant energy reorientation. Or like it was quoted also: To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.. So from a 6D perspective, I think the paradox of what creates the two paths as dual falls away and you see their unity.

About the entities switching polarities becoming their own victims. I think that is rather poetic, but it seems like it would fail entirely to recognize the already existant oneness between them. 6D is about unity, seems like such a desire would be going backward in learning unity. Are you not all things already?

[Raukura Waihaha]

About the entities switching polarities becoming their own victims. I think that is rather poetic, but it seems like it would fail entirely to recognize the already existant oneness between them. 6D is about unity, seems like such a desire would be going backward in learning unity. Are you not all things already?

Unless you're doing it to help other aspects of self who are struggling.
The desire is to serve another self, at the cost of eternal bliss.
How can I be truly happy, if my brother or sister is sad?

[MrWho]

@Minyatur, there is an infinite level of variance in each density. Where one has a more complete 6th density experience innately because of their "understanding" in their progression.

Another will find itself lacking. Thus the desire to return.

I would like to point out Ra being naive. At 6th density...

The opposite holds true, of course, some entities would reach 6th and be near completion of the entire octave due to their "understanding". As you imply.

[Minyatur]

Actually I did misread that, I thought he meant something like they move back through time to become their own victims or something along those lines.

Otherwise, yeah I do think any entity can do a whole lot of things they can feel like doing. The veil really allows 6D entities to partake within 3D experiences and from there many things can be done.

How can I be truly happy, if my brother or sister is sad?

Are you implying that you will never allow yourself to be happy? Sadness is an infinite principle, it is not like it can be erased from the spectrum of what can be experienced and so it will always be there to be found if you want to focus upon it. In the end, you will magnify within Creation what you focus upon, because focus is Love, the creative principle. Think of it as if you were into sad songs in some way and promote a need of sad songs to entertain your focus. We live in an infinite Creation, so these things can be counterintuitive.

Unity is a whole lot about that each thing has its own place. I think 6D entities ultimately learn lessons that relate to leaving things be what they are, while they act where they cannot leave things to be what they are in exploring the distortions of their own selves. I can see that early 6D entities really act out on what their polarity was, either positive or negative, but they ultimately seek without polarity and so that is learnt to fall away. Polarity is a principle of intensifying the separation of self within Creation, either positive or negative you are a being with a strong charge. So in 6D you begin to seek without polarity to begin to turn toward selflessness.

Ra is a good example of this. They clearly state that they seek without polarity and that they are not of the Love nor of the Light, yet they have clear biases that hint otherwise.

[Patrick]

I thought STS was a longer path because of the need to retrace STO understanding after the switch. You basically have to walk the STO path after walking the STS path.

I often wonder if the "victims" of STS are often those entities after switching polarity.

Unless you've completed STO and return as STS.
Surely that would be like a victory lap? RIP Nipsey

Yeah. One way or another, STS is doing it to itself.

[Patrick]

...
Ra is a good example of this. They clearly state that they seek without polarity and that they are not of the Love nor of the Light, yet they have clear biases that hint otherwise.

I believe that the state of being without polarity is close to the state of being in positive polarity (at least in 6d). There are important differences, but not as much as there are in between STS and without polarity.

It seems to me that, even if the Law of One considers STS and STO to be precisely the same, the Creation has an inherent bias against that which is not (STS). Otherwise the possibility of STS to reach the next Octave would exist.

Also, STS is ultimately a way of creating the fiercest STO entities in the end. I can't find the quote where it is mentioned that STS, after switching to STO in 6d, becomes the most fervent light workers or something like that.

[Raukura Waihaha]

Actually I did misread that, I thought he meant something like they move back through time to become their own victims or something along those lines.

Otherwise, yeah I do think any entity can do a whole lot of things they can feel like doing. The veil really allows 6D entities to partake within 3D experiences and from there many things can be done.

How can I be truly happy, if my brother or sister is sad?

Are you implying that you will never allow yourself to be happy? Sadness is an infinite principle, it is not like it can be erased from the spectrum of what can be experienced and so it will always be there to be found if you want to focus upon it. In the end, you will magnify within Creation what you focus upon, because focus is Love, the creative principle. Think of it as if you were into sad songs in some way and promote a need of sad songs to entertain your focus. We live in an infinite Creation, so these things can be counterintuitive.

Unity is a whole lot about that each thing has its own place. I think 6D entities ultimately learn lessons that relate to leaving things be what they are, while they act where they cannot leave things to be what they are in exploring the distortions of their own selves. I can see that early 6D entities really act out on what their polarity was, either positive or negative, but they ultimately seek without polarity and so that is learnt to fall away. Polarity is a principle of intensifying the separation of self within Creation, either positive or negative you are a being with a strong charge. So in 6D you begin to seek without polarity to begin to turn toward selflessness.

Ra is a good example of this. They clearly state that they seek without polarity and that they are not of the Love nor of the Light, yet they have clear biases that hint otherwise.

I wasn't implying that I wouldn't allow myself to be happy. It's more the principle of "what one feels, we all feel".
I was trying to get across the idea that perhaps coming back as STS is a way of creating lessons for other selves that help them polarise instead of falling into the sinkhole of indifference.
Perhaps STS who switch at 6D become STO wanderers and do the same for those selves they had enslaved or manipulated along the way.
If you can flip polarity and be just as positive as you are negative the more polarized you are, it makes little difference which polarity you choose when wandering.
We all push each other's illusory buttons as a way of expanding, as one.

[Minyatur]

It seems to me that, even if the Law of One considers STS and STO to be precisely the same, the Creation has an inherent bias against that which is not (STS).  Otherwise the possibility of STS to reach the next Octave would exist.

I think it is more like a paradox. How can you reach completion when focused on being incomplete. It makes sense there comes a need to release the initial separation of self with self.

To me how one deals with others is an outer manifestation of one's own dynamics with oneself. So while STS could seem to say that an STS entity is only empathic with itself, I think it really is the other way around and the entity lacks empathy with its own self foremost. It makes more sense if you understand other-selves to truly be mirrors for the self, then all dynamics with your other-selves are about how it reflects your inner self. If the STS entity disdains what is weak, vulnerable and joyful within itself, then it will feel the same about it within its other-selves.

I wasn't implying that I wouldn't allow myself to be happy. It's more the principle of "what one feels, we all feel".
I was trying to get across the idea that perhaps coming back as STS is a way of creating lessons for other selves that help them polarise instead of falling into the sinkhole of indifference.
Perhaps STO wanderers do the same for those on the STS path also.
If you can flip polarity and be just as positive as you are negative the more polarized you are, it makes little difference which polarity you choose when wandering.
We all push each other's illusory buttons as a way of expanding, as one.

Totally. I think there are multiple pathways available for teach/learning and learn/teaching.

[Aion]

The way I see it. At the end of an StS incarnation in 5th density. They see themselves as god. Nothing else exists besides them, in their perspective. This entity would surely spend as much, "time" in this state as it could afford.

Really, at all points I do not see an StS willing to move on to the next step. They love being themselves. And "dieing", merging with the infinite creator does cause a distinct loss of "self".

What more does an StS value?

36.15 Questioner: Well, then let’s say that when Himmler, for instance, reaches sixth-density negative at the beginnings of sixth-density negative, at this time would it be the case that an entity would realize that his higher self is sixth-density positively oriented and, for that reason, make the jump from negative to positive orientation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth density. Thus, loving the Creator, and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.

The negative is motivated in the same way as the positive, with love for the Creator. By the end of fifth at the least, anyways. Drawn by the same upward spiraling light as all.

There is only one Creator that all seek, whether it is through self or other self.

[MrWho]

Yes, but some negatives are so compartmentalized that they cannot see beyond themselves. The concept of God being exterior or other is non-existent.

I'm talking about negatives in general. Not the "final leap to unity". (3rd through early 6th densities)

It is as though they do not perceive the ability to progress beyond early 6th. Until they see the "entropy".

[Aion]

I prefer not to generalize to such extents about entities, personally, as my interactions have proven there is much more nuance. Yes, there are some who seek a "compact self-isolate" existence, but I would wager that both paths are "evolving" to become more robust and nuanced over time. The ways forward earlier on in this universe have unfolded to more possibilities than in the past. There is to my knowledge quite a diversity in "negative" types just as there are in 'positive' types.

Also, seeing the Creator as themselves, they are not wrong, no? That is a discovery to be made in the wisdom density. The self views all as the self in that state, but eventually the lack of control over others reveals that each other is an equal Creator that is themselves. It is the control that is relinquished. I actually see this as part of a healing process. Health is a word relating to wholeness.

On the flipside, some positives are so open and exterior that they do not properly grasp themselves as the Creator. I guess I just see a balance of pitfalls and advantages.

Even Ra said, to their knowledge no negative has 'solved' this issue, but they didn't say it wasn't possible or that the effort wasn't being made.

I actually have a theory that it is the 'honor/duty' of one entity and only one entity to achieve this crossing and I believe that is actually going to be the point the universe coalesces once again in to unity, at last complete. All of the "positive" entities and all of the "negative" entities eventually will be reduced to only two, and they will become one. Only when the polarities are united at the gateway will the universe come to a close. This entity will become a Guardian which ignites the seed for the next octave.

Of course, all in my humble perspective insofar as I have seen.

[MrWho]

Pretty cool stuff to think about. I love it.

[Aion]

The great joy of philosophy aha

[Raukura Waihaha]

I prefer not to generalize to such extents about entities, personally, as my interactions have proven there is much more nuance. Yes, there are some who seek a "compact self-isolate" existence, but I would wager that both paths are "evolving" to become more robust and nuanced over time. The ways forward earlier on in this universe have unfolded to more possibilities than in the past. There is to my knowledge quite a diversity in "negative" types just as there are in 'positive' types.

Also, seeing the Creator as themselves, they are not wrong, no? That is a discovery to be made in the wisdom density. The self views all as the self in that state, but eventually the lack of control over others reveals that each other is an equal Creator that is themselves. It is the control that is relinquished. I actually see this as part of a healing process. Health is a word relating to wholeness.

On the flipside, some positives are so open and exterior that they do not properly grasp themselves as the Creator. I guess I just see a balance of pitfalls and advantages.

Even Ra said, to their knowledge no negative has 'solved' this issue, but they didn't say it wasn't possible or that the effort wasn't being made.

I actually have a theory that it is the 'honor/duty' of one entity and only one entity to achieve this crossing and I believe that is actually going to be the point the universe coalesces once again in to unity, at last complete. All of the "positive" entities and all of the "negative" entities eventually will be reduced to only two, and they will become one. Only when the polarities are united at the gateway will the universe come to a close. This entity will become a Guardian which ignites the seed for the next octave.

Of course, all in my humble perspective insofar as I have seen.

It's like you read my mind lol

[Aion]

There is only one mind here, afterall.

[jafar]

I prefer not to generalize to such extents about entities, personally, as my interactions have proven there is much more nuance. Yes, there are some who seek a "compact self-isolate" existence, but I would wager that both paths are "evolving" to become more robust and nuanced over time. The ways forward earlier on in this universe have unfolded to more possibilities than in the past. There is to my knowledge quite a diversity in "negative" types just as there are in 'positive' types.

I agree, I'm actually quite confused on this definition of 4 and 5D, where STO and STS seems to be an 'exclusive' group.
Or am I mistaken that STO vs STS only happened in 4D?
There are more nuance, and 'fractalized consciousness' can dynamically transform from one side to another.

Every identity is unique and shall have unique experience, that's the point why the consciousness fractalize in the first place, to gain and gather unique experiences from unique point of view.
I think that can easily be seen even by observing another creature or another human being.
No human being, see things and shared 100% exactly the same opinion with each others.

And self-isolation is not the domain of only one side..
Take Yogis for example, people like Siddharta, they prefer 'isolative meditation' for their 'seeking', are they "STS" or "negative entities / identity"?

I actually have a theory that it is the 'honor/duty' of one entity and only one entity to achieve this crossing and I believe that is actually going to be the point the universe coalesces once again in to unity, at last complete. All of the "positive" entities and all of the "negative" entities eventually will be reduced to only two, and they will become one. Only when the polarities are united at the gateway will the universe come to a close. This entity will become a Guardian which ignites the seed for the next octave.

Of course, all in my humble perspective insofar as I have seen.

From what I 'see', what will happen is; 'fractalized consciousness' will eventually realize that the 'conciousness' itself has no boundary or limit in any dimension. The STOs will be overwhelmed upon realizing the amount of 'others' that they seek to 'serve' and the STSes will be overwhelmed upon realizing the amount of 'others' that they need to conquer / control.

From STS mindset the similitude will be like, trying to conquer every Galaxy, and to conquer one galaxy it took 1 million years. And they realize that within 1 second there is 1 million new galaxy being created and the rate is rising faster and faster. They just can't keep up with the rate and starting to questioned their way of working and thinking, otherwise they will do this for all eternity.

It's like trying to reach an accelerating finish line in a race..
The finish line is moving faster away from you than your pace.
As actually there is no finish line.

As for the finite to reach the infinite there is no other way other than to destroy their own boundaries / limits which separate the 'self' and 'other self'. Thus marking the start of the 'unknowing' and 'undefining' process.

[Aion]

To the point of self-isolation from other selves there's this good one:

80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?

Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation: whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves, or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.

[Raukura Waihaha]

I was thinking about the 95% required for STS harvest and wondered where the other 5% goes.
It dawned on me that this would be the energy given to another self, as a means of teaching them to be beneath you.
Kind of like giving a dog a treat as it learns to sit.
The praise is just a token of your appreciation for what the other is doing, for you.

[MrWho]

The 5% is better understood as teach/learn.

Powerful negatives do a great service when done right.

[Raukura Waihaha]

The 5% is better understood as teach/learn.

Can you elaborate?

[Sacred Fool]

 
"Dealing with the negatively polarized," eh?  Is that a reference to what seems to be exttrinsic or what is intrinsic?

I actually have a theory that it is the 'honor/duty' of one entity and only one entity to achieve this crossing and I believe that is actually going to be the point the universe coalesces once again in to unity, at last complete. All of the "positive" entities and all of the "negative" entities eventually will be reduced to only two, and they will become one. Only when the polarities are united at the gateway will the universe come to a close. This entity will become a Guardian which ignites the seed for the next octave.

That one entity might be you, as well as every "other" one.

We would gladly speak a word to those whose profile matches the service-to-self energy pattern of well developed red, orange and yellow-ray energy centers, and well developed blue and indigo energy centers, but poorly developed green ray.

We would suggest that such entities experiencing this pattern of energy expenditure may profitably consider that they may well have chosen to incarnate in third density upon the Earth at this time in order to effect a more harmonious and full balancing of the energies which you may call love, light, power and peace. We offer these words to indicate the dimensions of love and wisdom, or the lessons of fourth density and fifth density, that are studied in sixth density in order to unify and solidify the point of awareness that contains all of the consciousness that is granted to all aspects of the creative principle.

Those who have experienced a far more comprehensive course of study in wisdom than in compassion move into third density not only to be of service to the planet and to its people but also to tackle a kind of strenuous metaphysical boot camp, if you will, in which your preincarnative desire is that you shall effect, within the athanor of incarnation, a more equitable and just integration of the energies of love and the energies of light or wisdom.

We wish to indicate that this is not, for an entity overbalanced into wisdom, a beau geste that is particularly easy to grasp or effectuate.

The chief stumbling block to one overbalanced in wisdom is a basic attitude with which this instrument is familiar that she calls pride.

 

What is the “I” of a person and of a soul? When consciousness itself is the “I” of you, then shall your heart be free to open and blossom and radiate infinitely. And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

You seek to wend your way from the penumbra of articulated thought to the daylight of love. We wish you every good fortune in your seeking and we commend you for your awareness of the basic situation.

  

[jafar]

 

The chief stumbling block to one overbalanced in wisdom is a basic attitude with which this instrument is familiar that she calls pride.

  

Wisdom or should I say 'knowledge' can lead to power as one will understand many things from many perspective.
Without the balancing of 'humility' coming from love it will resulted into a very strong self-identification, very strong attachment to limited self-identity and think one-self as 'above' / 'higher' than the other-self who understand less from much lesser perspective. The proud will call those who understand less as 'fools'.

"All streams flow to the sea because it is lower than they are. humility gives it its power.
If you want to govern the people, you must place yourself below them.
If you want to lead the people, you must learn how to follow them."
― Lao-Tzu