Dealing with the negative polarized

[zedro]

Again all paths are valid.

Sure, from a hindsight perspective, from a foresight perspective, what are your goals? Efficient use of incarnative time/experience, or hang out in the 'well of indifference/denial' for awhile. All roads lead to the same place, but not all contain the same experience. The quality can be deep or shallow.

[MrWho]

My goals are the same as all my other-selves. To find love. All of us want that same thing, in one way or another. We all seek love.

Love of self or other.

Why not both? Surely that will lead to a "deeper experience".

[Minyatur]

What has worked for me and somewhat deterred negative greetings was merely empathy toward the event. The last time I felt a negative greeting awake, the purpose seemed to disrupt a state I was heading towards in meditation and all of sudden I felt attacked and became shrouded in fear. From this state, I focused upon the link between me and the entity and through it I could feel what allowed this resonance between us. The more I focused upon this resonance, the more fear faded away and gave place to an energy of healing within myself. Then the link cut short and left me in a state where I felt like an opportunity was lost and of slight deception that the event did not go further.

After that, I only ever had negative greetings occur very rarely during dreams. Within the dream, somehow it is much more natural to center myself within the light directly. So, the negative greeting is met back by a greeting of light and so long it subsides I am a pillar of light that answers back to it. I think that was my response every single time, pretty automatic. I guess if I experienced one awake again, I would probably now lean naturally toward this kind of response.

I guess it always somewhat offers an opportunity to discover and reinforce your connection with the light.

[Bring4th_Austin]

There are four paths. Indifference, positive, negative and unity.

I believe Raukura Waihaha is of the latter. The "two dads" analogy requires a perspective that is higher than either.

In your view, what is the difference between the positive path and an attempt to strive towards unity? What I see Ra describe as the positive path is the path of unity, it is simply the process of accepting that unity from a third density perspective. Ra describes polarity dropping away in sixth density, not third density, and my understanding is that dropping that polarity in sixth density is easier for the positive path because it is what they have been striving towards, but it can't be dropped before then. 

78.25 - In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other, for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that, at some point, the negative polarity is abandoned.

[Minyatur]

The negative path is a valid path to the Creator. We all end up arriving at the same destination.

A bit like how Aion said, I have resonated deeply with the concept that our entire Octave is much like a game, or puzzle, to the Creator in experiencing Itself.

Then like any game, the purpose of the game is not the destination but the journey. Sure the finale can be great, even the best part of the game, but the destination merely signifies the need of something new.

[MrWho]

The positive path is the path of understanding, compassion. It is without wisdom, that is for the next density. (Though true, as a being nears 5th density harvest much had been learned in regards to wisdom. I am speaking in the most limited and defined ways here, please forgive me)

"Unconditional love"

Jesus and Carla were both like this. Martyrdom.

Most holy, yet not quite, efficient.(a quality product is efficient by design) We are the product of the infinite creators design.

This is why the the lessons of love come before the lessons of wisdom. For without compassion what use is all the knowledge in the infinite creation?

[Bring4th_Austin]

The positive path is the path of understanding, compassion. It is without wisdom, that is for the next density. (Though true, as a being nears 5th density harvest much had been learned in regards to wisdom. I am speaking in the most limited and defined ways here.)

"Unconditional love"

Jesus and Carla were both like this. Martyrdom.

Most holy, yet not quite, efficient.

This is why the the lessons of love come before the lessons of wisdom. For without compassion what use is all the knowledge in the infinite creation?

I understand this perspective, especially from a third-density point of view where we are working towards compassion. However, I certainly don't see Ra describing the positive path as one that is without wisdom. The positive entity goes through fifth density, the density of wisdom, while maintaining their positive polarity. And I certainly think it is possible to utilize both compassion and wisdom on the positive path here in third density.

[MrWho]

I have a terrible habit of updating my posts late. My apologies.

[MrWho]

Is it wise or unifying to offer ones life as Jesus or Carla did? Maybe, however I don't see that as entirely true.

https://www.lawofone.info/s/67#11

Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service.

It is not unknown for positive beings to be so compassionate. As to offer unlimited love.

In fact Ra was like this. (Which led to a much longer 5th density experience)

https://www.lawofone.info/s/41#26

Questioner: This may be too long a question for this working, but I will ask it and if it is too long we can continue it at a later time. Could you tell me of the development of the social memory complex Ra, from its first beginnings and what catalyst it used to get to where it is now in activation of rays? Is this too long a question?

Ra: I am Ra. The question does not demand a long answer, for we who experienced the vibratory densities upon that planetary sphere which you call Venus were fortunate in being able to move in harmony with the planetary vibrations with an harmonious graduation to second, to third, and to fourth, and a greatly accelerated fourth-density experience.

We spent much time/space, if you will, in fifth density balancing the intense compassion we had gained in fourth density. The graduation again was harmonious and our social memory complex which had become most firmly cemented in fourth density remained of a very strong and helpful nature.

Our sixth-density work was also accelerated because of the harmony of our social memory complex so that we were able to set out as members of the Confederation to even more swiftly approach graduation to seventh density. Our harmony, however, has been a grievous source of naïveté as regards working with your planet. Is there a brief query before we leave this instrument?

Basically it is not only possible to have an entire 3rd and 4th density experience with little to no wisdom. It has and will happen. This almost guarantees the absence of some small portion of "unity".

[Raukura Waihaha]

How do you say, "All is one" then in the next breath say STS is this and STO people are that? Are you saying that all is one or all is separate or are you saying you separate people when it is convenient to making a point?

The creator has one face.
Just because it chooses to wear different masks, doesn't mean they aren't all on the same face.

I believe that there was a need for STS that arose from Yahweh putting the Martians in a paradise, with no reason to strive for anything more.
There was no progress as they had no choice.
Lucifer made the sacrifice to separate from source to be catalyst as something seemingly negative, that created the space for expansion of those who would otherwise, be unable to progress.

TBH I say things that I think might catalyse people. I try to do it in a less confrontational method but it may not come across that way. If it upsets or offends (although that's something that the offended needs to address within the self) it isn't my intention.

[Raukura Waihaha]

Again all paths are valid.

Sure, from a hindsight perspective, from a foresight perspective, what are your goals? Efficient use of incarnative time/experience, or hang out in the 'well of indifference/denial' for awhile. All roads lead to the same place, but not all contain the same experience. The quality can be deep or shallow.

Maybe STO is shallow due to the faster reunion experienced and STS is a route that provides more contrast and thus, enriches the depth of experience.

[zedro]

Again all paths are valid.

Sure, from a hindsight perspective, from a foresight perspective, what are your goals? Efficient use of incarnative time/experience, or hang out in the 'well of indifference/denial' for awhile. All roads lead to the same place, but not all contain the same experience. The quality can be deep or shallow.

Maybe STO is shallow due to the faster reunion experienced and STS is a route that provides more contrast and thus, enriches the depth of experience.

I doubt there's a correlation, you can go thru quite a bit of hell on the STO route in 3d, in fact you may end up exploring how STS systems can traumatize as a way of learning STS without actually being STS, and thus helping others making the same perilous adventure. And this experience will carry on in service in the higher densities, especially if you choose to wander.

Or you can play it safe in nicer places, helping out where you can, and lead simpler lives.

Same with STS, you could try to control Nations and kill millions, or just be a petty grifter, a selfish thief, a murderer or a rapist.

And the density path is similar between STS and STO, despite the roles being different. And I'm betting that ambition in the 3d realm is a reflection of our spiritual character.

[Raukura Waihaha]

Again all paths are valid.

Sure, from a hindsight perspective, from a foresight perspective, what are your goals? Efficient use of incarnative time/experience, or hang out in the 'well of indifference/denial' for awhile. All roads lead to the same place, but not all contain the same experience. The quality can be deep or shallow.

Maybe STO is shallow due to the faster reunion experienced and STS is a route that provides more contrast and thus, enriches the depth of experience.

I doubt there's a correlation, you can go thru quite a bit of hell on the STO route in 3d, in fact you may end up exploring how STS systems can traumatize as a way of learning STS without actually being STS, and thus helping others making the same perilous adventure. And this experience will carry on in service in the higher densities, especially if you choose to wander.

Why do you doubt the correlation?
Perfection is an unchanging, resting state. This would be the void from where all distortions or fractals of nothing, came from.
So in order to expand one's state of perfection, less than perfect is the only choice available as a means of expansion. It is how we learn a deeper appreciation of something that can't be improved upon.
If some choose to wander and be negative catalyst for others, it doesn't mean they're destined to continue on that path through the higher densities. It could be that they have already been harvested and chose to sacrifice their state of awareness to help others by being the opposite of love, to teach them forgiveness, which is the lesson Ra describes as being integral to stepping off the wheel of karma.

Or you can play it safe in nicer places, helping out where you can, and lead simpler lives.

You seem to equate "nicer" with "more beneficial".
What seems most beneficial to me is providing the creation with a deeper appreciation for it's eternal, resting state.
If this is love and unity as one consciousness, the most beneficial path for the individual who is providing contrast for this state, seems to me to be the opposite end of the spectrum of unity. Otherwise you're doing what you've always done and will continue to sit in a luke warm bath. Nothing wrong with that but it's hardly what I'd call "more efficient". Efficiency finds it's context, in purpose.

I'm betting that ambition in the 3d realm is a reflection of our spiritual character.

I'm betting that some have already learned the fast, STO path and chose to come back to selflessly offer themselves as STS, as a way of deepening their appreciation for what they already know, as well as provide lessons for those who need them. Some may come back as STO wanderers and help by raising the vibration for those who need it also.
The contribution of the STS role is just as valuable as the STO one.

[MrWho]

Agreed.

[jafar]

Both STO and STS is merely also an 'illusion', when one defined STO automatically one defined not STO, for the "Not STO" a name need to be invented thus STS was born at the same time as STO.

When one claimed "having the view of unity" and he/she think that he/she/it is superior compared to "those who think in separation" then actually he/she/it shows "STS" characteristic. The concept of "Superiority" over others does not have any foundation to stand upon when one think that the 'others' are actually part of it's own self.
Superiority has a foundation to stand upon only when one think that it's 'separated' from others.

A is different / separated from B and we can deduce further whether A is larger than B or B is larger than A.
When A = B, how could A be larger or lesser than B?

Again this is the game of 'identification' shrouded by 'limited memory access'.
When a 'fractalized consciousness' gained access to the memory of experience as experienced by other 'fractalized consciousness', he/she/it will shall also identify the other 'fractalized consciousness' as part of itself.

When an "STO entity" gained access to the experience as gathered by "STS entity", the "STO entity" will find it hard to say that he/she/it's exclusively only STO. He/she/it will say that "I'm also an STS entity". The same thing works the other way around...

Thus dealing with a 'fractalized consciousness' who are in the state of 'suffering' due to constant fear, sadness, anger,regret etc.., usually shortened with label of 'negatively polarized', is to to tell them that all the thing that they think is the cause of such negative emotion are actually doesn't matter, and there are another option which enable them to experienced the opposite of such emotion, if they wish to do so.

This sometimes required by them because they think that there isn't any other option available.
A snake will think 'love' does not exist, because they can't experience them.
A blind man will think 'color' does not exist, because they can't experience them.
A medieval man will think 'electromagnetic wave' does not exist, because they can't experience them.

And since they have experienced the 'opposite' (negative experience) they will appreciate the 'positive experience' more.
After experiencing long days of being lost in the jungle, one will appreciate the 'simple luxury' of 'pizza delivery ' even more compared to those who never experienced being lost in the jungle.

All is one and not all STS is about power over/under. Some people just prefer to be alone.
Having said that... I find it quite naive when STO people seem to feel like they're in the right, by trying to save STS or imply they'll get it eventually, like STS isn't part of the creator's plan and we aren't doing what we came here to do.
Most here choose the ironic path of excluding STS or acting like they're superior in their chosen perspective of all that is.

Exclusion is actually the 'key characteristic' of separation... as described above..

I'm more than likely STS although I never thought of myself in that light, until recently.
In 2002 I had a vision that seemed to show me that all is one and I spent alot of time trying to understand the epiphanies I had. I always felt like I was born to help others reach the state that I had stumbled upon. I say this because up until the vision, I was dead set on doing my own thing, regardless of the effect it had on others, even my wife and 2 children. I now feel like I was harvested STS.

A good example of what being described above.

If 'jafar' for example, an 'other identity' different than your 'current identity' also gained access to the same memory of experience.
'jafar' will also identify itself as that 'other identity' who has "wife" and "2 children".

[zedro]

Why do you doubt the correlation?

Because it's impossible to make, all paths are different, you cannot claim STO is more shallow and a quicker path, you have zero to base that on. My point stands, either polarity has the potential for being shallow or deep, and both can be just as direct (3-4-5-6), or indirect back and forth, with tons of wandering. The qualities of either depends on the experiences sought by the individual.

You seem to equate "nicer" with "more beneficial".

I never did, that's your projection. It was a characterisation of leading a pleasant and uncomplicated life, vs a tumultuous and chaotic one (both in STO framework). The statement was to contrast the preceding one (dynamic vs simpler STO experiences). I was not contrasting to the STS polarity at all.

The contribution of the STS role is just as valuable as the STO one.

I never said or implied otherwise, again, that's your projection on my neutral statement about both polarities having deep or shallow potential.

I don't think you understood my statements at all really, because the point was entirely missed, you cannot make a blanket statement about the 2 polarities like that, it's way above both our pay grades anyways, and it's a completely unnecessary and a futile exercise. You seem to want to convince yourself of being STS (which is fine), and then justify the experience on your own terms and qualities. You don't have to do either one of those things (meaning, you don't have to label yourself, nor comparatively qualify it to anyone).

Don't take this as a personal attack, it was a simple generalized statement.

[MrWho]

Lol, you both fell for it. He plays his game well.

[Raukura Waihaha]

Because it's impossible to make, all paths are different, you cannot claim STO is more shallow and a quicker path, you have zero to base that on.

90.22 Questioner: Then you say that the more efficient of the two paths was suggested in a subliminal way to second density to be the service-to-others path. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We did not state which was the more efficient path. However, you are correct in your assumption, as you are aware from having examined each path in some detail in previous querying

I thought I read in the material that the STS path is one that takes longer. Everything I said about perfection needing contrast and there being nothing more perfect than perfection, is completely relevant. Failing to understand this doesn't mean your point stands.

The contribution of the STS role is just as valuable as the STO one.

I never said or implied otherwise, again, that's your projection on my neutral statement about both polarities having deep or shallow potential.

I didn't say that you implied otherwise.
I was summarising what I had laid out in my post.

I don't think you understood my statements at all really, because the point was entirely missed, you cannot make a blanket statement about the 2 polarities like that, it's way above both our pay grades anyways, and it's a completely unnecessary and a futile exercise.

I'd like to know what you feel my pay grade is and why you feel that way.
It feels like you're assuming that we are some how in the same shoes or that it is impossible to have a 6D perspective while incarnate.

You seem to want to convince yourself of being STS (which is fine), and then justify the experience on your own terms and qualities. You don't have to do either one of those things (meaning, you don't have to label yourself, nor comparatively qualify it to anyone).

That may be how it seems to you but I'm just being real about what I've observed about my behaviour and interaction with the world, for the past 40 years. What feels good to me is doing s*** I like and alot of the time I don't care what others feel about it. Even after being shown what oneness feels like at 22, I chose to cheat, steal and become a gang member who had a hammer in my belt, everytime I left the house.
This doesn't mean I don't want to find a way to relate to STO or expand my experience of what is.
I'm someone who has lived quite a negative life and this thread is about dealing with people like me. I'm not trying to qualify anything...just keeping it 100.

To me it seems that you are quite passive aggressive and would benefit from checking your mood before posting. Or atleast think about how you come across. As it stands I see alot of dismissive wording and a superior vibe from someone who seems to think they're neutral. This is from reading posts from you in multiple threads.
Take it how you want lol

[MrWho]

My only wish is that we use "a lot" as two words instead of one "alot". A petty gripe, I know.

[zedro]

Not going to bother any further, complete communication breakdown.

And if you are STS, there is no point in discussion anyways, because you would purposely sabotage any exchange.

[MrWho]

He isn't though. :/

He said he "was".

Be ever so vigilant of the perspective the other shares. The subtleties are neuanced, and intricate.

[Raukura Waihaha]

Not going to bother any further, complete communication breakdown.

And if you are STS, there is no point in discussion anyways, because you would purposely sabotage any exchange.

I thought the conversation was quite beneficial as I was learning how to forgive and accept you, even with your obviously sabotaging behavior.
Of course that's inaccurate as you're neutral and it must be me who's the problem.

[jafar]

Lol, you both fell for it. He plays his game well.

All play their game well, in accordance to their respective role.

What makes you *NOT* to think that all the postings on this thread were actually being posted by one consciousness?
Continuously shifting it's identity and perspective?

[MrWho]

Because the veil exists.

[jafar]

Because the veil exists.

The 'veil' created the 'illusion', and the 'veil' itself is also another illusion.

[MrWho]

Only when one remembers. I like to play along sometimes and forget. Is that bad?

[Aion]

17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult a path to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a strait and narrow path, as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to other-selves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

7.17 Questioner: I’m trying to understand how a group such as the Orion group would progress. I was of the opinion that a closer understanding of the Law of One created the condition of acceptability moving, say, from our third density to the fourth in our transition now. And I’m trying to understand how it would be possible—if you were in the Orion group and pointed toward self-service—how you would progress, say, from the third density to the fourth. What learning would be necessary for that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of length for this instrument at this time.

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum, or octave, of beingness.

This is, however, true of this octave of densities. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose.

Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways. This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve.

The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

At this time we would answer any brief questions you may have.

The paths do not have lengths on their own, only relative thresholds of light/love to be enjoyed to move on to the next 'level', so it is neither faster nor slower for either path, but rather only faster or slower depending on the nature of the entity taking the journey, insofar as it appears to me. Some like the long scenic route, others like the fast track, you find entities all across the spectrum pursuing both polarities.

[Raukura Waihaha]

17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult a path to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a strait and narrow path, as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to other-selves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

7.17 Questioner: I’m trying to understand how a group such as the Orion group would progress. I was of the opinion that a closer understanding of the Law of One created the condition of acceptability moving, say, from our third density to the fourth in our transition now. And I’m trying to understand how it would be possible—if you were in the Orion group and pointed toward self-service—how you would progress, say, from the third density to the fourth. What learning would be necessary for that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of length for this instrument at this time.

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum, or octave, of beingness.

This is, however, true of this octave of densities. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose.

Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways. This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve.

The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

At this time we would answer any brief questions you may have.

The paths do not have lengths on their own, only relative thresholds of light/love to be enjoyed to move on to the next 'level', so it is neither faster nor slower for either path, but rather only faster or slower depending on the nature of the entity taking the journey, insofar as it appears to me. Some like the long scenic route, others like the fast track, you find entities all across the spectrum pursuing both polarities.

Thanks for clearing that up I think I had multiple ideas or quotes in my head that had led me to my conclusion

[MrWho]

Difficulty does not equate to what we perceive as "space/time".

It is difficult to move two tons of coal by hand for one, and "easier" for another. The scale of difficulty remains the same for the two.

The time required is different.

Semantics. :/

[Aion]

As I said, it is dependent on the nature of the entity taking the journey that determines the "speed" of progression, or the time required. Speed of progression and time required go hand in hand, no?

The difficulty remains the same for both. I did not imply that the paths are literal paths, if anything more of a direction.