Does anyone regret coming to Earth?

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Regret, huh?

When one speaks about sorrow (or any other term throughout the use of language), one must be willing to know not only its meaning but also its semantic significance. What triggers one to use a certain term and not any other term available?

So, let us begin with a definition of "regret":

A feeling of sadness, repentance, or disappointment over an occurrence or something that one has done or failed to do.

Feel sorrow for the loss or absence of (something pleasant).

Disappointment? Sorrow? That surely has to do with unmet expectations.

Ra: I am Ra. There are no mistakes under the Law of One.

But there's more to it:

Definition of regret (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1a: to mourn the loss or death of
b: to miss very much
2: to be very sorry for
regrets his mistakes

regret noun
Definition of regret (Entry 2 of 2)
1: sorrow aroused by circumstances beyond one's control or power to repair
2a: an expression of distressing emotion (such as sorrow)
 b: regrets plural : a note politely declining an invitation

To miss something implies a lack of this thing, an emptiness of substance. If THE ONE is all that there is, why would someone feel this lack?

Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises.

Cool. So maybe one is taken by surprise by the outcome of certain events, in contrast to one's expectations of said events.

Let's do some quick math here.

— Aw naw — says the unwilling student.

Come on now. It'll be fun, and also necessary.

• THE ONE is all that there is. Mathematically we can represent this with the following symbol: ∞
  
• A single, desired, thought, expected, wished for — outcome can be represented as an infinitesimal part of the infinite spectrum of possibilities: ε
  

Here's what happens when you expect a given outcome:

(∞) - (∞-ε) = ε

What "amount" of The Creation's potential is stripped off, prescinded, by such a narrow mindset?

(∞-ε)

To expect something (and most usually be frustrated), implies you focus your attention, your consciousness, on a single infinitesimal point of The Creation, while also overlooking the virtually infinite possibilities that are contained in the Infinite.

— But aren't we living in a single, infinitesimal, isolated incarnation down here in 3D? — asks the now excited student.

Well, maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps the following image can give you some insights:

The big, black spiral is the net total of your 3D incarnations. Each "smaller" spiral is a lifetime. Notice that they have different colors, thus different frequencies, circumstances, backgrounds, bloodlines, etc.

The spirals spin. The frequency of each and every one of the "smaller" spirals contributes to the frequency of the "bigger" spiral.

From a 3D standpoint, time might be seen as linear, which in reality isn't. We're talking about frequency here, and every part influences the whole, which in turn influences the parts, in mutual reflexivity.

This is why there are "pre-incarnative choices": they are relative to the frequency of a given spiral, and are supposed to teach you lessons that ought to be learned, lest you repeat the 3D cycle for an insufficient grade — lessons not learned.

— Wow, this is so fun I can barely hold myself together — says the effervescent student — but what on Earth has this to do with regret?

I'm glad you asked.

Maybe you feel regret because you're not looking at the bigger picture here.

'Life is too hard';
'Humanity is too vile';
'Suffering is everywhere';
'The pain is unbearable';
'Loneliness crushes our soul';
'3D existence is a buffet of frustrations';
'"I" don't fit in';
'This binary duality reality sucks ass';

Wow, now. There's no need to cuss here. Calm down, effervescent and excited student, and look at the bigger spiral instead of the smaller ones. What would be of life if there was no death?
What would be of The Creation if there were no godsparks, or singularities, individualized in seemingly separate entities so they can accrue different choices throughout their seeming state of separateness?

Notwithstanding this seeming separate state, All Is One and One Is All. Maybe the spiral image also applies to a planet, a social memory complex, and its constituent social complexes and also to whatever you wish to apply.

And maybe if you change the frequency of your "now" moment, therefore altering the frequency of your "bigger spiral", you might also alter the frequency of the other smaller spirals located in what is perceived in 3D as "past" or "future".

But maybe not.
Who knows? Figure out for yourself.

Yes, I would like to know your answer to your own question;

What would be of life if there was no death?

[Sabou]

If I may indulge in semantics a bit here; It's kind of funny to think in terms of regretting to come here. To use a imprecise analogy, that would be like the child regretting the parent putting them into school.

The confused entity that is me here in 3D can't regret the higher spiritual mechanisms that prompted this occurrence, as the me here is currently quite displaced from the understanding of the full reasons of being here, I am still figuring that out and therefore necessitating my being here.

That being said, I've very often been displeased with the choice of my better half to put me down here. I'm not earning any gold stars for my ability to deal with the catalyst offered in this world.

As for seeing beauty here, I would say that I have never quite appreciated the beauty that this world offers in of itself (via the objects, sentient or not) but I have experienced dim memories through them, carrying with them feelings of the unity in higher densities, which is quite lovely. The beauty for me always has been not of this world, but in it... just as I am in this world, but not of it.

Grace to you

[Scah]

Hi Everyone,

I am Scah and I didn't want to be here.

I loved this movie.

I hope you do too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRNPg-xPoZc

[zedro]

If you're true (higher) self didn't really want to be here, you wouldn't currently be incarnated here. It's that simple.

What your ego feels right now is pretty irrelevant, at least as it pertains to this question. If you feel you don't want to be here, it means you have something to work on.

Edit: the above is more for wanderers that chose to be here, and don't have karmic ties to hold them. Earthseeds on the other hand are a whole other affair.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

If you're true (higher) self didn't really want to be here, you wouldn't currently be incarnated here. It's that simple.

What your ego feels right now is pretty irrelevant, at least as it pertains to this question. If you feel you don't want to be here, it means you have something to work on.

Edit: the above is more for wanderers that chose to be here, and don't have karmic ties to hold them. Earthseeds on the other hand are a whole other affair.

Yes, you state a simple fact. It does not take away that some of us are traumatized and if you haven't been, you may yet get your turn. It is kind of like "anything goes" where there is such a mix in polarity. Before we can "work on" anything, we have to get to that place where we are strong enough to do so; not that whining around will get us there (because actually it exacerbates the feeling of depression) but just maybe someone's encouraging words will assist the seeker in that extra push; after all that is one reason why there are many of us.

Since there seems to be a continual barrage of mixed experiences on this planet, one might consider getting busy with it instead of pondering why it hurts so much to be here. In the reality of this particular illusion we all find ourselves in, there are only a couple viable options. Ignore catalyst and allow it to revisit you in different scenarios or seize catalyst and begin working with it. This will not MAKE it better but what it does is it builds strength, vitality and Will. You turn your attention toward it whenever you can and face it. It only needs be one thing and you will be instructed when it is time to face yet another. Look around you. There are some of the most beautiful things imaginable. When I am hurting, I will connect to one thing that I truly find is the most beautiful thing I can look at and then I get completely and utterly lost in those thoughts. In this way, I feel close to our Creator and that pervasive feeling of disconnect vanishes. Even if it is only for a day, it is a day of bliss and total excitement.

[Diana]

If you're true (higher) self didn't really want to be here, you wouldn't currently be incarnated here. It's that simple.

What your ego feels right now is pretty irrelevant, at least as it pertains to this question. If you feel you don't want to be here, it means you have something to work on.

Personally, I think everything is relevant, everything is important. I agree that the catalyst of not wanting to be here is something to work on. There are so many variations of circumstances a Wanderer or a native human may have to deal with. I'm not sure we can put not wanting to be here down to just ego. This can be a very difficult place. Some people are in easier circumstances—some in really challenging circumstances.

the above is more for wanderers that chose to be here, and don't have karmic ties to hold them. Earthseeds on the other hand are a whole other affair.

Wanderers can also get caught up in karmic issues:

12.28 ▶ Questioner: Are most of these from the fourth density? What density do they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. Few there are of fourth density. The largest number of Wanderers, as you call them, are of the sixth density. The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment. The challenge/danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved, and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction.

[Smocur]

I've always been quite intrigued by the sessions that mentioned the entity known as Abraham Lincoln. Not saying that I wish the same thing could happen to me but I do find it very interesting.

(February 17, 1981)
Questioner: I was wondering if the one, Abraham Lincoln, could have been a Wanderer?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This entity was a normal, shall we say, Earth being which chose to leave the vehicle and allow an entity to use it on a permanent basis. This is relatively rare compared to the phenomenon of Wanderers.

(March 6, 1981)
Questioner: Well in that case I would like to know the motivation for this use of Abraham Lincoln’s body at that time?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this session as we find the instrument quite low in vital energies.

The one known as Abraham had an extreme difficulty in many ways and, due to physical, mental, and spiritual pain, was weary of life but without the orientation to self-destruction. In your time, 1853, this entity was contacted in sleep by a fourth-density being. This being was concerned with the battles between the forces of light and the forces of darkness which have been waged in fourth-density for many of your years.

This entity accepted the honor/duty of completing the one known as Abraham’s karmic patterns and the one known as Abraham discovered that this entity would attempt those things which the one known as Abraham desired to do but felt it could not. Thus the exchange was made.

The entity, Abraham, was taken to a plane of suspension until the cessation of its physical vehicle much as though we of Ra would arrange with this instrument to remain in the vehicle, come out of the trance state, and function as this instrument, leaving this instrument’s mind and spirit complex in its suspended state.

The planetary energies at this time were at what seemed to this entity to be at a critical point, for that which you know as freedom had gained in acceptance as a possibility among many peoples. This entity saw the work done by those beginning the democratic concept of freedom, as you call it, in danger of being abridged or abrogated by the rising belief and use of the principle of the enslavement of entities. This is a negative concept of a fairly serious nature in your density. This entity, therefore, went forward into what it saw as the battle for the light, for healing of a rupture in the concept of freedom.

This entity did not gain or lose karma by these activities due to its detachment from any outcome. Its attitude throughout was one of service to others, more especially to the downtrodden or enslaved. The polarity of the individual was somewhat, but not severely, lessened by the cumulative feelings and thought forms which were created due to large numbers of entities leaving the physical plane due to trauma of battle.

[BrotherInWaiting]

Perhaps you could try to contact your higher self or some other guidance mechanism about the options available to you. Sometimes things aren't what they were meant to be. You may simply be told to buck up and keep trying.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

I've always been quite intrigued by the sessions that mentioned the entity known as Abraham Lincoln. Not saying that I wish the same thing could happen to me but I do find it very interesting.

(February 17, 1981)
Questioner: I was wondering if the one, Abraham Lincoln, could have been a Wanderer?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This entity was a normal, shall we say, Earth being which chose to leave the vehicle and allow an entity to use it on a permanent basis. This is relatively rare compared to the phenomenon of Wanderers.

(March 6, 1981)
Questioner: Well in that case I would like to know the motivation for this use of Abraham Lincoln’s body at that time?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this session as we find the instrument quite low in vital energies.

The one known as Abraham had an extreme difficulty in many ways and, due to physical, mental, and spiritual pain, was weary of life but without the orientation to self-destruction. In your time, 1853, this entity was contacted in sleep by a fourth-density being. This being was concerned with the battles between the forces of light and the forces of darkness which have been waged in fourth-density for many of your years.

This entity accepted the honor/duty of completing the one known as Abraham’s karmic patterns and the one known as Abraham discovered that this entity would attempt those things which the one known as Abraham desired to do but felt it could not. Thus the exchange was made.

The entity, Abraham, was taken to a plane of suspension until the cessation of its physical vehicle much as though we of Ra would arrange with this instrument to remain in the vehicle, come out of the trance state, and function as this instrument, leaving this instrument’s mind and spirit complex in its suspended state.

The planetary energies at this time were at what seemed to this entity to be at a critical point, for that which you know as freedom had gained in acceptance as a possibility among many peoples. This entity saw the work done by those beginning the democratic concept of freedom, as you call it, in danger of being abridged or abrogated by the rising belief and use of the principle of the enslavement of entities. This is a negative concept of a fairly serious nature in your density. This entity, therefore, went forward into what it saw as the battle for the light, for healing of a rupture in the concept of freedom.

This entity did not gain or lose karma by these activities due to its detachment from any outcome. Its attitude throughout was one of service to others, more especially to the downtrodden or enslaved. The polarity of the individual was somewhat, but not severely, lessened by the cumulative feelings and thought forms which were created due to large numbers of entities leaving the physical plane due to trauma of battle.

Yes, I like that reading as well.
This is rare that this would occur, but if you can imagine going back to such a time in your mind, and witness what was taking place then, how horrible it must've been for someone who loved others to watch people being bought and sold as property and then abused as if they were not living and breathing human beings. How many obstacles must have been in the way of Abraham, how many hated him for his efforts; so much that in fact, he was murdered! The one thought that comes to me is that life is difficult to live, or even, sometimes difficult to witness when you have an open heart or when you look at the other as important as yourself.

The only harsh reality to the love that we wish to generate is that we stand against the antithesis of love and that we live with others that have gained power through the centuries that have caused all living beings pain and misery. The only difference now, is that we are awake to it. I remember a time when I was not that spiritual and I was part of the daily grind. I never paid attention too much to the suffering that is taking place right in front of me. Now that things have changed and I am awakening, I know that the suffering is many and the pain is deep. If I allow it, it will take my own energy with it like standing too close to an eddy.
If we want to stay sane and healthy while we are here to finish our work, we must get busy with our spiritual practices; the things that keep us grounded in truth and assist us in staying focused upon our path. Otherwise, like Abraham, it is far too hurtful to deal with all things at once as it seemed he was suffering physically as well.
When life is difficult, at the end of the day, I always thank The Creator for what I could accomplish. I review both the good and bad of the day with truthfulness. Everday, I get up, I begin my practices by reading and studying along with a small meditation. This practice only changes under the worst circumstances such as in illness, otherwise, it is the same. I build my faith and through the faith comes strength and Will.
This is a difficult subject to cover. What works well for one entity fails another.
Not that we should give up trying to find that perfect way that suits us but to the contrary, we should dig and dig until we find what works. We must try to finish what we started. This is imperative.
Thanks for sharing about Abraham, it shows how difficult life truly is even for some who were able to rise to a powerful status.

[Vestige]

I have no regrets at all for coming here, even though there are times when the suffering and sorrows in this world are overwhelming. As a child, I do recall thinking about suicide intellectually. But in general, no matter how tough it is to get along here and do what must be done, there is so much beauty on Earth to balance it, and I do have a sense of being here for a reason.

That sense of having a mission or being here for some reason seems to trump any oppression or depression deriving from how really hard it can be sometimes. When things spiral down, I imagine what I would feel in whatever afterlife I end up in, and I realize that I just don't want to bail no matter how painful it is. And I also remember to focus on the beauty of Earth, or even something mundane such as finishing a project, which does not make the difficulty go away, but it does make difficulty recede and take a back seat to more positive and productive ways of being. 

In an appraisal on my own life in regards to the original query, I would in large agree with all respondents and with the core sentiment of perseverance or faith.
I quote Diana because she has voiced already much of what I would say.

I do not regret having been here.  If I had a djinni at my service, let's say, and I had the opportunity to literally re-write my life history - I believe I would elect to keep things 'as written.'  I might find it informative to see the effect of a change here and there as it redounds through the lifetime, but, I suppose I'll have that chance at my actual review when this life ends.  I can think of many valuable moments which might be lost if their antecedents were re-written or written out, and that's enough for me to accept my past.

Intriguing to me, however, is one feature of my alleged birth report:

"a spirit trying to decide if he really WANTED to stay here"
That certainly does not sound like the "foolhardiness or bravery" of a wanderer to me ... Though maybe whatever indecision or, charitably, agreeableness I felt at the prospect of incarnating here could be somewhere in the spectrum of that concept, bravery.

One thing I feel I lack is a real drive to stay.  Sorrows compound the feeling, the feeling can be 'confused' with the suicidal ideation, and can be 'distracted' by certain projects or other productive ways of being.  Certainly, the earth is beautiful.  I love the planet.  I am appreciative of those around me, rough edges included.  And, again, I peer into my past and see many valuable moments; learning for myself, service to others, catalyst to others ... and as has been quoted already, there is no 'dead time' in an incarnation, so for however many moments I continue, therein lies value (and the same is true for every one, in every moment).  

However, also, as regards myself, I feel a 'drawing to the close.'  I feel somewhat 'redundant,' in my current position and phase in life.  I interpret this as meaning that, maybe, my lessons for this lifetime are nearing completion. 
 ... Maybe I have just become more skilled at dressing up a weariness for life - but, I do believe it would inappropriate to actively end my life (except in the event of a meaningful sacrifice, my life for another).  Actively ending being the operative word.  I have mentioned my adrenal condition and my struggles with it in a few places, and I do not wish to belabor the point, but it is still something that I am pondering.  

When I felt I wanted my life to end, or that it should end, primarily because of  the pressures the condition puts on me or because of the peripheral catalyst -- those thoughts were, I believe, not properly balanced.  I have several helpers who deserve thanks and apologies as regards those thoughts, which I will not write here.  

I also believe, again,  that those thoughts have been transformed.  I now feel that I could quietly put my affairs in order, refuse treatment, and pass away.  
Would this be true for any with a condition that requires regular allopathy to sustain the yellow ray body?  Certainly, it would be convenient, but it does not strike me as a universal route.  
Is it correct for me at exactly this current time?  Also, no.  The process would take time and, besides, I see there are still a few loose ends I could tie up.  
Still, that the option still feels available and without the prior emotional charge, tells me that it is among those appropriate.

[aWanderer91]

Regret is the wrong word, there's always been a deep feeling inside of me that I'm here for a deeper purpose. But unsurety as to why I'm here and me guessing my wisdom at planning an incarnation has been predominant thoughts of mine as the years go past. I seem to of chosen such enormous and endless catalyst.

I was always different, but not in the type that sat in the background etc, I was always the popular kid at school and excelled at everything. But I lived in such a timeless state as a child, which I couldn't understand this timelessness and why 6 hours could feel like 6 seconds to me. And I lived like this for some of my adult life, I'm now 30 years of age and the older I get the more I see my gifts disappear and my heart become worn. Time seems to become slower and more of a drag on myself.

Ra's advice is to love and love until you can't take anymore, then it would be wise to withdraw and recuperate until you are ready to step back out into the world again. I have never withdrew love my whole life, except for the past year as I lost my mother late 2020 and have since felt my heart shutting down and I have cut off from everyone. I had such a huge circle of friends before this.

Ah, to be a wanderer, we must be so brave and have seen things so different before we arrived here. I use one of Q'uo's quotes to get me by, when they say that when we are struggling and times are tough, remember we had great reason to incarnate in the first place. That we are here for a purpose, which is to vibrate high and love as much as we can.

I'm not sure I'll see this incarnation all the way through. I feel so forgotten by God, I miss home and I'm not sure I'll ever fully accept and understand the ways of this world. I incarnated around so many service to self beings and the constant clash leaves me so tired and wanting to be around my own kind.

But I will always give 100% while I'm here and I refuse to live in regret. I know regret is the deep pitfall that one will find it extremely hard to come back from

[IndigoSalvia]

During "dark nights of my soul" I was filled with confusion and what I may call agony, and a desire to be "rescued." In the end, I had to do some rescuing of myself, it seems. No doubt with the aid of many energy beings around me, guiding me in unseen ways. To crawl out of the seeming darkness, battered and crying. That was the hallmark of my journey for a period of time. I look back with a tenderness at that time, and seek continually to tenderly embrace those energies that arose within/around, and that continue to arise today. That L&L flow through, and into; and may it create a spark of L/L to lighten our darkest days, and warm, calm, reassure our spirits.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't regret as it has given me a chance to build my spiritual power, love and wisdom from the ground up. I will come back stronger having been through such sadness.

[omcasey]

*following*

[Ming the Merciful]

The more I matured, I have found it mysterious my current situation. I am the last remaining member of my immediate family, (all the other relatives have passed-on). Which I have found strange? The speculation is, were the other members of my family returned to the "Great Void" in order to reincarnate? Without sounding egotistical, (which I am not). Spiritually i was more advanced than the other members of my family, and in the current world situation of a threat of nuclear war, famine, impending doom for Humanity. The question I asked, why am I still here, while the rest of my family have moved-on? An "Advanced Alien Intervention" would be appreciated to sort-out Humanity and show it the Path to Reality. That is unlikely to happen. We must fend for ourselves and find our own Path. The point is, I always considered the "Spiritual Quest" as the most important issue in life. None of my other relatives never understood that. Are they going to return in a lower dimension while I am transformed upwards, (once again not egotistical). 

Do I regret coming to Earth? I think there are more advanced planets Spiritually, and at the time of my birth I was not prepared to be born on them. Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita said there are countless planets in the Universe, and it takes a myriad of incarnations to return to the Godhead. It appears it is my destiny to be the last remaining member on my family, and it is now a proving ground as to where I stand Spiritually. Obviously Fate and Destiny are always hovering in the background. If I have a choice, in my next incarnation I would prefer to be born on a more advanced planet. Humanity remains too immature and childish to see beyond the Physical Realm. I have grown tired of endless wars and injustice, where the rich are getting richer and poor are always suffering. A planet of peace and love are more inviting. We shall see where I end next? My destiny is in the hands of Fate.

[flofrog]

Ming, it is nice to see you again, friend.


It feels somewhat sad to envision you as the last of the 'Mohicans' in some ways... even if you were the only wise mohican...

When you speak of family I suppose you speak of the family as parents, siblings, and related cousins ?

In some ways, this is not about what you just posted though, but in some ways I am always curious about the interest that entities have to go back to their ancestors and sometimes far back. It is just that this verticality always appeared to me as somewhat strange as more interesting were the entities participating horizontally in our current incarnation, so meaning immediate family as well as all the entities we seem to be randomly meeting along the present life. I feel that that group is somewhat more important as we share this pretty wild experiment with them.

Lol, Ming, you wish for a more peaceful planet ? but you were wanted here for all your wisdom and kindness... lol

So all right, one day we shall all here live through more peaceful planetary surroundings,

[zedro]

The more I matured, I have found it mysterious my current situation. I am the last remaining member of my immediate family, (all the other relatives have passed-on). Which I have found strange? The speculation is, were the other members of my family returned to the "Great Void" in order to reincarnate? Without sounding egotistical, (which I am not). Spiritually i was more advanced than the other members of my family, and in the current world situation of a threat of nuclear war, famine, impending doom for Humanity. The question I asked, why am I still here, while the rest of my family have moved-on? An "Advanced Alien Intervention" would be appreciated to sort-out Humanity and show it the Path to Reality. That is unlikely to happen. We must fend for ourselves and find our own Path. The point is, I always considered the "Spiritual Quest" as the most important issue in life. None of my other relatives never understood that. Are they going to return in a lower dimension while I am transformed upwards, (once again not egotistical). 

Do I regret coming to Earth? I think there are more advanced planets Spiritually, and at the time of my birth I was not prepared to be born on them. Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita said there are countless planets in the Universe, and it takes a myriad of incarnations to return to the Godhead. It appears it is my destiny to be the last remaining member on my family, and it is now a proving ground as to where I stand Spiritually. Obviously Fate and Destiny are always hovering in the background. If I have a choice, in my next incarnation I would prefer to be born on a more advanced planet. Humanity remains too immature and childish to see beyond the Physical Realm. I have grown tired of endless wars and injustice, where the rich are getting richer and poor are always suffering. A planet of peace and love are more inviting. We shall see where I end next? My destiny is in the hands of Fate.

Perhaps it is the attachments/protests you just expressed are the driving force for your journey/learning?

[Brandon Gwinn]

I used to deeply and keenly feel this way during my dark night of the soul period and also during my transition from disillusionment to Living Love, oftentimes feeling suicidal which is a very dark and earth heavy emotion to bear, even for the strongest of us. But since discovering the LOO and the presentation of service to others as a valid, purposeful way of Being, my heart has opened wide and is filled with more and more joy and bliss, ecstacy, awe and wonder with each passing moment. Will I do it again? I'll cross the bridge of that decision when it comes. All I can say is I wish all the Love and Light to those dealing with this feeling. The Earth, really anywhere in the universe, is such a beautiful place. We just have to grow into it.

[flofrog]

Exactly my feeling Brandon Gwinn...

[Diana]

I used to deeply and keenly feel this way during my dark night of the soul period and also during my transition from disillusionment to Living Love,  oftentimes feeling suicidal which is a very dark and earth heavy emotion to bear, even for the strongest of us. But since discovering the LOO and the presentation of service to others as a valid, purposeful way of Being, my heart has opened wide and is filled with more and more joy and bliss, ecstacy, awe and wonder with each passing moment. Will I do it again? I'll cross the bridge of that decision when it comes. All I can say is I wish all the Love and Light to those dealing with this feeling. The Earth, really anywhere in the universe, is such a beautiful place. We just have to grow into it.

Beautifully put. The part I bolded above is a key idea to me. People tend to think there is an "arrival" or and endpoint at which things go from black to white. It may feel like that at times but challenges and catalyst are ever there. I see it more as layers in an ongoing process that builds upon itself.

[Ming the Merciful]

Ming, it is nice to see you again, friend.


It feels somewhat sad to envision you as the last of the 'Mohicans' in some ways... even if you were the only wise mohican...

When you speak of family I suppose you speak of the family as parents, siblings, and related cousins ?

In some ways, this is  not about what you just posted though, but in some ways I am always curious about the interest that entities have to go back to their ancestors and sometimes far back.  It is just that this verticality always appeared to me as somewhat strange as more interesting were the entities participating horizontally in our current incarnation, so meaning immediate family as well as all the entities we seem to be randomly meeting along the present life.  I feel that that group is somewhat more important as we share this pretty wild experiment with them.

Lol, Ming, you wish for a more peaceful planet ? but you were wanted here for all your wisdom and  kindness... lol

So all right, one day we shall all here live through more peaceful planetary surroundings, 

Thank you Flofrog. I took a few weeks away from here because I was suffering from "Spiritual Exhaustion", (or), I needed time to rethink my interpretation of Reality. I concluded the only answer, there is no answer. We have already found it, and we cannot see it. Too many people are delusional by Religion and Philosophy and their Protocols. Once we take the step and deny everything, then we begin to understand. It is true, I still consider myself as a devotee of Zen, (it is not the be all and end all, and only a concept). All concepts of Spirituality are only concepts, that drag you back to the Mind. The Pure Mind is Mindless and without concept. It has no concept of Reality. In its pure essence it is simply the Void. It is that what we will eventually return to. 

It is my parents and brother who have passed-on. Although as I stated, (above), that I am in my situation because, (without sounding egotistical), my understanding of Spirituality is "Light Years" ahead of what they understood. My relatives were ruled by the Church and its doctrines and they never discovered freethinking or freewill, (or it may offend their God). I prefer to offend the God(s) and think for myself. In fact, I watched an interesting video on YouTube a couple weeks ago that was analysing the Western Belief System, and the speaker concerned said that the Christian God is a tyrant. I totally agreed. It was because of that reason I turned East. Fate remains in my hands. 

The answer is, we simply live in the moment and the present, and accept everything in the "Natural Order of Everything", (without conceptual desire). Live as the natural self and without prejudice. Simply see everything for what it is, and don't try to understand. Even at the "Spark" of the moment when everything becomes clear, destroy it. Or the Mind will pull you back and that becomes analytical. Our greatest enemy is our Mind. This is why I advocate Still Mind, and to remain in that state for as long as possible. If the Mind is thinking about Philosophy, it is not free. The Pure State of Mind does not think. It only exists.

[Loki]

You might see this a joke, but, according to me, the most inspiring plea for Earth, to wanderers, was made by Tolkien thorough Sam Gamgee speech. Reading it carefully you will see how much is addressed to wanderers:

    It’s all wrong.
    By rights we shouldn’t even be here. But we are.

    It’s like in the great stories Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn’t want to know the end.
    Because how could the end be happy. How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad happened.

    But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer.
    Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why.

    But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn’t.
    Because they were holding on to something. That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.

Every time I feel this planet is too much I listen to this or I read this and my heart is opening up yet again. It is so easy to quit, but then according to Q'uo, regardless of how hard we try here now, we will still be disappointed, once we cross, for not trying harder. Just imagine how huge of a disappointment must be when quitting.

The truth is there is kindness and beauty in this world which is visible to us and we came here to fight for it. Fight is not pleasant but we wanted this chance to make a difference. Why quit when we are exactly where we are supposed to be, exactly where we wanted to be?

[flofrog]

So agree Loki

what is more I have a feeling its a privilege to have been able to incarnate at this moment, perhaps many wanted to and weren't given the get go, so we can't fail them.

[FarAway]

When in deeeeeeep pain physically,emotionally,psycologically YES.

When I am better ,no physical pain having a better time, NOPE.

It really depends on the level of suffering I experience. I would say most people are like that too. When suffering is chronic and severe of course. When thing are decent its easier to say nope.

[seren88]

Hey everyone,

Just going to add my little bit into this thread.

I've struggled a lot with depression/feeling suicidal/not wanting to be in this incarnation anymore.

Whilst spiritual material, specifically the Ra material, has helped come to terms with being in this incarnation, depending on the severity of the feelings-some things I read in this area are just not helpful at all, and even make me feel worse.

For example, reading about how much of a blessing it is to be here right now, we are the creators of our own reality, when we cross over we will regret not trying harder etc. I don't think for a second that none of this is true, but it doesn't actually help with the intense emotional/spiritual pain I endure at times. I feel awful for not authentically being able to have this attitude.

I have been, and still am for the most part, very lost and confused about what it is exactly I came here for and I need to be doing. I almost feel like it's pointless if I am not awakening full to my mission, often feeling like a failure and that I have been beaten by third density, getting obsessive in my thoughts at times about hitting the 51% mark so I could get the hell outta here.

One day, I was just truthful with myself. As distasteful as this is, If someone gave me a get out of jail card right now I would take it. I do not want to be here.

But, If I really am a wanderer, if I really can help bring in healing energies to Gaia, and if working on myself really does help other people here as we are all one, then I don't need to accomplish anything grand. Just staying here on Earth, working on balancing my self, sending love and light where I can, IS SERVICE TO OTHERS. I am winning if I can do that, I am serving if I can balance my self as much as possible, if I go against what often feels like my true desire to check out of here, in the faith that my existence is somehow serving the whole. I am doing that with the intention of serving others and coming to terms with the fact that just staying alive may be the most I can offer in this incarnation.

I can accept this.

And it makes things easier for me.

Love & Light & Hugs to all my brothers and sisters here xxx

[Margan]

Welcome Seren! thank you for your honesty
I have a question - what is it that makes you feel good in your life (or let's say "what does make you feel less suicidal / depressive")
I have struggled with depression nearly all my life. I remember composing suicide notes as a kid, thinking "that will teach them a lesson" when I was so annoyed and sad with everything and everyone here. I always felt like an outsider and totally alienated, asking my mum as a kid whether they mistook me in the hospital and I was really someone elses kid....
That slowly started to change like 10 years ago, when I discovered first the channeled material (Ra, Seth, Kryon ...) and later vedantic spiritual teachings. And today I can honestly say - the only times I feel good is when I am able to focus on spirituality and feel a connection with the universe, the divine etc. But it took a while and it did not come over night. And when I focus too much on the world , politics, the situation of this planet I am back with the depression and dark thoughts again....
I recognize some things in what you said like for example being anxious not hitting the 51 % mark etc, feeling like a failure, not fulfilling a mission etc.
Please do not be so hard on yourself. And if being alive right now is the best you can muster so be it. Be patient and focus on what (spiritually ) makes you feel good and do not worry about not being good enough.... and please please forget about the mission.
I used to have a messiah complex, can you imagine how that feels? I really thought I needed to save the planet and everyone on it..... those things our ego brings them up to trick us and make us give up because the expectations are too high. None of this is necessary nor is it helpful.
You are loved just as much as everybody else even if you might not be feeling it now.
Hugs and love and light to you as well

[seren88]

Hi Margan,

Thank you for taking the time to write back to me about my post.

I should have clarified a bit more, what you said here is spot on: "And if being alive right now is the best you can muster so be it. Be patient and focus on what (spiritually ) makes you feel good and do not worry about not being good enough.... and please please forget about the mission."

I am basically mostly in this head space these days (but we all have bad episode's right?). I was hoping that maybe it might help someone to read that if they are feeling like they don't want to be here anymore, to realise that if they stay, they are doing a huge service. I sincerely believe that we are transmuting the pain of the whole Earth as well as our own. We all suffer individually of course, and I think 'we' i,e the wanderers, perhaps take on/and take in some of the collective pain, which can be consuming. If we can balance our selves and that energy in the process, we are serving far more than we know.

So to anyone who feels helpless, like they can't endure anymore, and perhaps feels like they are weak and have failed- you haven't. Just not giving up, and slowly working on bringing yourself into balance is enough. Your existence is enough. You are not failing. This way of thinking has been my counterweight to the overwhelming desire to 'get out' at times.

To answer your question about what makes me 'happy', I would say 'Ditto'.

I think the most clarity I have felt/when my soul feels lit up, is studying/practicing spiritual work. But, only specifically when working on my own really.

Even before I found the Ra Material (which literally relieved my soul I think), I've dabbled in and out and 'Spiritual communities' and practices only to find a lot of misinformation and inauthenticity. I am certainly on a 'lone wanderer' path at the moment. I have a partner/friends etc but I do not share this side of me with any of them, apart from 1 person who I am trying to make sure we see each other more.

At time's I've completely turned away from it all (spiritualism), and I can see now why that was needed, as for certain I needed to balance certain elements within my self of actually learning to exist on 3D, such as tending to my physical & mental health, my finances etc, which I used to just not have any interest in and was essentially just in survival mode. That's not good either.

But yes, things of spiritual nature, natural health, psychology, spending time in nature, these kinds of things light me up.

I need to make more room for them in my life for sure, as unfortunately my current line of work which takes up the majority of my mental energy, is not linked to any of the above.

"I used to have a messiah complex, can you imagine how that feels? I really thought I needed to save the planet and everyone on it."- I hear you, I've had to heal from a saviour complex myself, which is still a work in progress (and I often struggle with my thoughts in this area between what is STS or STO).

I hope you are in a better place with all of these feelings too, it's something I bet most of the people here can relate to.

xxxx

[flofrog]

Welcome here, Seren88, I love your post. Just reading your post is great. I wouldn't worry too much about your usefulness on Gaia... dont give up
Safe journey.

[unity100]

Don't we all sometimes...

[meadow-foreigner]

Regret, huh?

When one speaks about sorrow (or any other term throughout the use of language), one must be willing to know not only its meaning but also its semantic significance. What triggers one to use a certain term and not any other term available?

So, let us begin with a definition of "regret":

A feeling of sadness, repentance, or disappointment over an occurrence or something that one has done or failed to do.

Feel sorrow for the loss or absence of (something pleasant).

Disappointment? Sorrow? That surely has to do with unmet expectations.

Ra: I am Ra. There are no mistakes under the Law of One.

But there's more to it:

Definition of regret (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1a: to mourn the loss or death of
b: to miss very much
2: to be very sorry for
regrets his mistakes

regret noun
Definition of regret (Entry 2 of 2)
1: sorrow aroused by circumstances beyond one's control or power to repair
2a: an expression of distressing emotion (such as sorrow)
 b: regrets plural : a note politely declining an invitation

To miss something implies a lack of this thing, an emptiness of substance. If THE ONE is all that there is, why would someone feel this lack?

Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises.

Cool. So maybe one is taken by surprise by the outcome of certain events, in contrast to one's expectations of said events.

Let's do some quick math here.

— Aw naw — says the unwilling student.

Come on now. It'll be fun, and also necessary.

• THE ONE is all that there is. Mathematically we can represent this with the following symbol: ∞
  
• A single, desired, thought, expected, wished for — outcome can be represented as an infinitesimal part of the infinite spectrum of possibilities: ε
  

Here's what happens when you expect a given outcome:

(∞) - (∞-ε) = ε

What "amount" of The Creation's potential is stripped off, prescinded, by such a narrow mindset?

(∞-ε)

To expect something (and most usually be frustrated), implies you focus your attention, your consciousness, on a single infinitesimal point of The Creation, while also overlooking the virtually infinite possibilities that are contained in the Infinite.

— But aren't we living in a single, infinitesimal, isolated incarnation down here in 3D? — asks the now excited student.

Well, maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps the following image can give you some insights:

The big, black spiral is the net total of your 3D incarnations. Each "smaller" spiral is a lifetime. Notice that they have different colors, thus different frequencies, circumstances, backgrounds, bloodlines, etc.

The spirals spin. The frequency of each and every one of the "smaller" spirals contributes to the frequency of the "bigger" spiral.

From a 3D standpoint, time might be seen as linear, which in reality isn't. We're talking about frequency here, and every part influences the whole, which in turn influences the parts, in mutual reflexivity.

This is why there are "pre-incarnative choices": they are relative to the frequency of a given spiral, and are supposed to teach you lessons that ought to be learned, lest you repeat the 3D cycle for an insufficient grade — lessons not learned.

— Wow, this is so fun I can barely hold myself together — says the effervescent student — but what on Earth has this to do with regret?

I'm glad you asked.

Maybe you feel regret because you're not looking at the bigger picture here.

'Life is too hard';
'Humanity is too vile';
'Suffering is everywhere';
'The pain is unbearable';
'Loneliness crushes our soul';
'3D existence is a buffet of frustrations';
'"I" don't fit in';
'This binary duality reality sucks ass';

Wow, now. There's no need to cuss here. Calm down, effervescent and excited student, and look at the bigger spiral instead of the smaller ones. What would be of life if there was no death?
What would be of The Creation if there were no godsparks, or singularities, individualized in seemingly separate entities so they can accrue different choices throughout their seeming state of separateness?

Notwithstanding this seeming separate state, All Is One and One Is All. Maybe the spiral image also applies to a planet, a social memory complex, and its constituent social complexes and also to whatever you wish to apply.

And maybe if you change the frequency of your "now" moment, therefore altering the frequency of your "bigger spiral", you might also alter the frequency of the other smaller spirals located in what is perceived in 3D as "past" or "future".

But maybe not.
Who knows? Figure out for yourself.

Yes, I would like to know your answer to your own question;

What would be of life if there was no death?

Stagnation.