What is the soul and how may I approach it?

[Sacred Fool]

Questioner: Q’uo, I have a question. It’s on another subject. I’m thinking of the nature of the soul that I asked about in a previous session. I’d like to know what is the nature of the soul and how it originates.

I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. This query is one which spans the entire breadth of the evolutionary process as we understand it, and we would attempt to respond to your query by suggesting that the soul is that constant awareness or constant consciousness within an individualized being that is the library or repository of all experiences which this entity has accumulated in all of its incarnative expressions throughout all of its densities of progression. Thus, there is much information and much of character, shall we say, that is gathered into that concept complex which you have called “the soul.”

It is as the actor upon the stage, if we may borrow again from this analogy, that has played many parts and has been moved by portions of each of them to the degree that there are characteristics or perceptions within the soul essence that are a direct result of such marks upon experience. Thus, the soul is the pilgrim upon the journey that begins with the very simple awareness of its own beingness, and begins to define its personality or identity according to those experiences that it passes through; and as the accumulation of experience, incarnation after incarnation, builds, then the soul is richer and has more to call upon for future efforts in this evolutionary endeavor.

Is there a further query, my brother?

Questioner: Is the soul created out of intelligent infinity to which it returns, or … how is the soul created? Or did I misunderstand you?

I am Q’uo, and we believe that we understand your query, my brother, and would respond by suggesting that the soul is created from that intelligent infinity from which all of creation is made, and as it is able to gather experience within one illusion after another, then there is the identifying of this soul essence as a personality of a metaphysical nature.

Is there a further query, my brother?

Questioner: Yes. Ra used the term, “the buddha body,” and also “the higher self,” for one of the aspects of individuals. Is the buddha body a sheath-covering for the soul? Or, what is the relationship of the buddha body and the higher self and the soul?

I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. In the attempt to speak to this query, there is the difficulty of your language and your linear perception of time that we must deal with, for the higher self, as it is often called, is the soul at another portion of its experience in a succeeding higher density. Thus, that which is your soul—that essence of self around which all experience orbits—becomes aware of its fullness. It becomes the higher self.

This is also in close relationship to that which you have called the “buddha body,” that body which is associated with the violet-ray or crown chakra energy center. This expression of the self is that portion that stands within the light at the graduation to determine the ability of the soul to accept a greater and greater light and thus be, shall we say, graduated to the fourth density. Thus, you may see a loose identity between buddha body, soul and higher self that begins to become a closer and closer equality as the soul progresses from density to density.

And so it is said that the soul consciousness is the player and this present terrestrial personality is the current role which it plays.

As the dramaturgy proceeds, the soul developes a metaphysical identity and eventually acquires sufficient spiritual density to become an higher self.

It is through personal consciousness at the level of the crown chakra where the transient personality may meet and greet the actor.
   
Cool, no?
   

[Sacred Fool]

  
There's a trickster paradox of time in the quote above that I wish to emphasize.

In one paragraph we're told that the soul is that which journeys from one incarnation to anther.  Later we're told that the soul becomes a higher self.  And then we're told that when we walk the steps of light, this is to see how much 4D light our soul can handle.

But if the soul is in an higher density, and we become our soul after death, then why would the soul need to be tested for entry into 4D?

Taking that one step further, then am I not my soul right now, both as it's in 6D and as it is traveling from 3D to 4D?  Why do I not readily perceive this?  Could it be that I am simply confused about my identity?  Or is it a bit more complex than that?

This brings to mind some Ra quotations.

54.14 Questioner: Thank you. It bears weight to my way of thinking also, and I appreciate what you have told me.

Now, I would like to then consider the origin of catalyst in—. First we have the condition of mind/body/spirit complex which, as a function of the first distortion, has reached a condition of blockage or partial blockage of one or more energy centers. I will assume that catalyst is necessary only if there is at least partial blockage of one energy center. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. No.

54.15 Questioner: Could you tell me why?

Ra: I am Ra. While it is a primary priority to activate or unblock each energy center, it is also a primary priority at that point to begin to refine the balances between the energies so that each tone of the chord of total vibratory beingness resonates in clarity, tune, and harmony with each other energy. This balancing, tuning, and harmonizing of the self is most central to the more advanced or adept mind/body/spirit complex. Each energy may be activated without the beauty that is possible through the disciplines and appreciations of personal energies or what you might call the deeper personality or soul identity.

54.16 Questioner: Let me make an analogy that I have just thought of. A seven-stringed musical instrument may be played by deflecting each string [a] full deflection and releasing it and getting a note. Or, once the strings are capable of being deflected through their full deflection (producing a note), instead of producing the notes this way taking the individual creative personality and deflecting each the proper amount in proper sequence to produce the music. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. In the balanced individual the energies lie waiting for the hand of the Creator to pluck harmony.

There's a lot in this, but I'll just say that identity is not so much a matter of choosing to believe this or that profile of self, but is about freeing and balancing one's various levels of consciousness so as to be attuned--with beauty--to the deep vibrations (and all vibrations) of Spirit.  The process of developing this capacity is described below.

49.6 Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening, as they say, the kundalini and of what value would that be?

Ra: I am Ra. The metaphor of the coiled serpent being called upwards is vastly appropriate for consideration by your peoples. This is what you are attempting when you seek. There are, as we have stated, great misapprehensions concerning this metaphor and the nature of pursuing its goal. We must generalize and ask that you grasp the fact that this in effect renders far less useful that which we share. However, as each entity is unique, generalities are our lot when communicating for your possible edification.

We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers. The two methods of approaching this with sensible method are first, the seating within one’s self of those experiences which are attracted to the entity through the south pole. Each experience will need to be observed, experienced, balanced, accepted, and seated within the individual. As the entity grows in self-acceptance and awareness of catalyst the location of the comfortable seating of these experiences will rise to the new true-color entity. The experience, whatever it may be, will be seated in red ray and considered as to its survival content and so forth.

Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.

Where these energies meet is where the serpent will have achieved its height. When this uncoiled energy approaches universal love and radiant being the entity is in a state whereby the harvestability of the entity comes nigh.

As consciousness is able to run freely up and down the levels of the instrument, more freedom is experienced, along with less personal identity and with more impersonal identity, or the identity of the soul.
   

[flofrog]

Peregrine, if we look at what Michael Newton says in a journey of the Souls , it appears that a group of selected high souls work on creation of young new souls, and then when.a soul is ready to incarnate as human, it takes then many many incarnations to somewhat put all the pieces of the puzzle in, and get the soul growth to higher and higher levels. Obviously the soul itself is aware of her level between incarnations, which we are not when in 3rd density, since our goal is to work on one specific issue, or a few more


It seems that Newton’s findings Might corroborate Ra ?

[Dtris]

Peregrine, if we look at what Michael Newton says in a journey of the Souls , it appears that a group of selected high souls work on creation of young new souls, and then when.a soul is ready to incarnate as human, it takes then many many incarnations to somewhat put all the pieces of the puzzle in, and get the soul growth to higher and higher levels. Obviously the soul itself is aware of her level between incarnations, which we are not when in 3rd density, since our goal is to work on one specific issue, or a few more


It seems that Newton’s findings Might corroborate  Ra ?

His series of books on souls is IMO right in line with the Ra material and is one of the few series I consider as being very likely to be correct. When you take the concepts of that series, add in the Ra material, and then consider the Seth material work on the Inner Self, the concepts we are dealing with become much clearer.

[jafar]

But if the soul is in an higher density, and we become our soul after death, then why would the soul need to be tested for entry into 4D?

Tested? I'm sorry I'm lost here..

However I do understand that this might be an influence from 'judeo-christianity-islam' belief system (which I'm also very familiar) where every 'soul' will be 'tested' and 'judged' in order to 'quality' ( or disqualify).

Taking that one step further, then am I not my soul right now, both as it's in 6D and as it is traveling from 3D to 4D?  Why do I not readily perceive this?  Could it be that I am simply confused about my identity?  Or is it a bit more complex than that?

According to Ra, the Law of One is:

all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,

but only identity.

May I know who or what do you mean by the identification statement of "I" in this case? Is it 'peregrine' the webforum avatar? or the consciousness behind the avatar, who might potentially experienced many other avatars as well?

Because my understanding on this is:

Soul is a 'scoped or bordered unit of consciousness identification'.
Identification of consciousness can happened in many layer and can happened in hierarchical manner.

Novelist, screen writer and actor experienced this regularly in their life.
When a novelist writing a conversation between two characters, let's say A and B, he or she identify itself as A and then came up with words to say by A and then identify itself as B and then came up with words to say by B.
The only difference of this metaphor is: there's no memory isolation being involved. The novelist can still recall that he / she is the 'identity of the novelist' and also A and B, the character in the novel.

But actually is it not that A is also B and also the identity of the novelist? Three of them are the same, three of them are in unity.

Now imagine the novelist came up with a character in the novel let's named him Joe which is also a novelist. In this case the identification happened in multiple layer. In the novel, Joe the novelist authored another novel where in the novel he came up with character named Bertha and Kim.
Then is it not Kim is Bertha is also Joe and is also the novelist?

And of course Kim and Bertha can also authored their own novel, and the identification moves down further.

The going down the line of identification, from the novelist to Joe to Bertha or Kim is named as 'the fall', the 'descent' and I think Ra named this as 'distortion'. The moving up the line of identification from Kim to Joe to the Novelist is called the 'ascension'. Some people also uses term of "Soul Fractioning / Fragmenting" for the 'descent' and "Soul Unification" for the 'ascension'.

Back to the metaphor, now let's introduce memory access isolation on each 'character'. Let's start with Kim, Kim will think that he is only Kim as this is the area of data / memory that he has access to. But when he finally have access to the memory / information as known by Joe, he will realize that I am Kim and also Bertha and also Joe!

And then Joe 'ascended' one level up to the novelist, he will realize that I am not only Joe, I'm also the novelist who has authored many other novels and came up with hundreds if not thousands of many other characters. I am all of those thousand of characters! And so it can furtherly move up further...

So ascension happened not through 'gaining' but through 'shedding'.
Shedding the 'border' of consciousness that separate one with the other and gain data / information that other unit of consciousness has gathered, thus automatically makes you identify yourself as that unit of consciousness as well, as that 'soul' as well.

That's what I understand when Ra (or Quo or others) mentioned "social memory complex'. A collective consciousness who shared data / memory gathered by many identities, many avatars, many unit of consciousness. Thus each identify itself as the entire complex and the complex also identify itself as each.

[meadow-foreigner]

But if the soul is in an higher density, and we become our soul after death, then why would the soul need to be tested for entry into 4D?

Tested? I'm sorry I'm lost here..

However I do understand that this might be an influence from 'judeo-christianity-islam' belief system (which I'm also very familiar) where every 'soul' will be 'tested' and 'judged' in order to 'quality' ( or disqualify).

Taking that one step further, then am I not my soul right now, both as it's in 6D and as it is traveling from 3D to 4D?  Why do I not readily perceive this?  Could it be that I am simply confused about my identity?  Or is it a bit more complex than that?

According to Ra, the Law of One is:

all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,

but only identity.

May I know who or what do you mean by the identification statement of "I" in this case? Is it 'peregrine' the webforum avatar? or the consciousness behind the avatar, who might potentially experienced many other avatars as well?

Because my understanding on this is:

Soul is a 'scoped or bordered unit of consciousness identification'.
Identification of consciousness can happened in many layer and can happened in hierarchical manner.

Novelist, screen writer and actor experienced this regularly in their life.
When a novelist writing a conversation between two characters, let's say A and B, he or she identify itself as A and then came up with words to say by A and then identify itself as B and then came up with words to say by B.
The only difference of this metaphor is: there's no memory isolation being involved. The novelist can still recall that he / she is the 'identity of the novelist' and also A and B, the character in the novel.

But actually is it not that A is also B and also the identity of the novelist? Three of them are the same, three of them are in unity.

Now imagine the novelist came up with a character in the novel let's named him Joe which is also a novelist. In this case the identification happened in multiple layer. In the novel, Joe the novelist authored another novel where in the novel he came up with character named Bertha and Kim.
Then is it not Kim is Bertha is also Joe and is also the novelist?

And of course Kim and Bertha can also authored their own novel, and the identification moves down further.

The going down the line of identification, from the novelist to Joe to Bertha or Kim is named as 'the fall', the 'descent' and I think Ra named this as 'distortion'. The moving up the line of identification from Kim to Joe to the Novelist is called the 'ascension'. Some people also uses term of "Soul Fractioning / Fragmenting" for the 'descent' and "Soul Unification" for the 'ascension'.

Back to the metaphor, now let's introduce memory access isolation on each 'character'. Let's start with Kim, Kim will think that he is only Kim as this is the area of data / memory that he has access to. But when he finally have access to the memory / information as known by Joe, he will realize that I am Kim and also Bertha and also Joe!

And then Joe 'ascended' one level up to the novelist, he will realize that I am not only Joe, I'm also the novelist who has authored many other novels and came up with hundreds if not thousands of many other characters. I am all of those thousand of characters! And so it can furtherly move up further...

So ascension happened not through 'gaining' but through 'shedding'.
Shedding the 'border' of consciousness that separate one with the other and gain data / information that other unit of consciousness has gathered, thus automatically makes you identify yourself as that unit of consciousness as well, as that 'soul' as well.

That's what I understand when Ra (or Quo or others) mentioned "social memory complex'. A collective consciousness who shared data / memory gathered by many identities, many avatars, many unit of consciousness. Thus each identify itself as the entire complex and the complex also identify itself as each.

Excellent post. May I add too that the whole individualization process allows for greater freedom of choice — or as Ra terms it, the Way of Confusion — so people balance the needed aspects of their soul throughout the 3D experience in which the notion of separateness — The Veil — has the intrinsic tradeoff of a theoretically greater intensity of experience and processing of the catalysts of The Creation.

Ra: I am Ra. There is very little work in consciousness in fourth and in fifth densities compared to the work done in third density.

Indeed, one as part of a SMC is not only the individualized portion of "Self" but also other-Selves: and thus comes the ideology differentiation of STS and STO, or the prevalence of Light over Love or vice-versa.

So the accumulation of unique choices from unique perspectives is the hallmark — and the greatest advantage — of 3D life, in comparison to "higher" densities in which you have the "whole" consciousness of all your lifetimes, for instance.

[meadow-foreigner]

  
There's a trickster paradox of time in the quote above that I wish to emphasize.

In one paragraph we're told that the soul is that which journeys from one incarnation to anther.  Later we're told that the soul becomes a higher self.  And then we're told that when we walk the steps of light, this is to see how much 4D light our soul can handle.

But if the soul is in an higher density, and we become our soul after death, then why would the soul need to be tested for entry into 4D?

Taking that one step further, then am I not my soul right now, both as it's in 6D and as it is traveling from 3D to 4D?  Why do I not readily perceive this?  Could it be that I am simply confused about my identity?  Or is it a bit more complex than that?

This brings to mind some Ra quotations.

There's a lot in this, but I'll just say that identity is not so much a matter of choosing to believe this or that profile of self, but is about freeing and balancing one's various levels of consciousness so as to be attuned--with beauty--to the deep vibrations (and all vibrations) of Spirit.  The process of developing this capacity is described below.

As consciousness is able to run freely up and down the levels of the instrument, more freedom is experienced, along with less personal identity and with more impersonal identity, or the identity of the soul.

Take a look at this, and maybe you might find the answer that you seek:

[Sacred Fool]

But if the soul is in an higher density, and we become our soul after death, then why would the soul need to be tested for entry into 4D?

Tested? I'm sorry I'm lost here..

However I do understand that this might be an influence from 'judeo-christianity-islam' belief system (which I'm also very familiar) where every 'soul' will be 'tested' and 'judged' in order to 'quality' ( or disqualify).

"Tested" was meant to be a reference to the Stairs of Light.

82.29 Questioner: You stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize anything more than 50% service to self to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil? The same percentage polarization?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process. The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.

Re-reading what I typed in my previous post, I can see how I left a lot room for confusion.  Those questions I posed were intended to be a rhetorical device to set up the conclusions reached further down.  For example:

...identity is not so much a matter of choosing to believe this or that profile of self, but is about freeing and balancing one's various levels of consciousness so as to be attuned--with beauty--to the deep vibrations (and all vibrations) of Spirit.

The point of the post was to speak about how to approach, or how to experience, the soul, and the suggestion is that this is done by exploring and freeing up the experience of the various levels of inherent consciousness.

According to Ra, the Law of One is:


all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,

but only identity.

Yes, that is true at that level of consciousness, but is not so at another level where even identity is surrendered.

16.22 Questioner: Thank you very much. In previous material, before we communicated with you, it was stated by the Confederation that there is actually no past or future… all is present. Would this be a good analogy?

Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

That's what I understand when Ra (or Quo or others) mentioned "social memory complex'. A collective consciousness who shared data / memory gathered by many identities, many avatars, many unit of consciousness. Thus each identify itself as the entire complex and the complex also identify itself as each.

Yes, I suppose, but because I'm not involved with a SMC in this particular incarnation, my interest lies more, as I said up above, in communing with the aspect of self which distills from the incarnations the important, essential elements.  I find that approach to--or aspect of--spiritual growth quite compelling.  I also expect it would make one's spiritual work here more efficient.
  

[jafar]

"Tested" was meant to be a reference to the Stairs of Light.

82.29 Questioner: You stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize anything more than 50% service to self to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil? The same percentage polarization?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process. The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.

I somehow got the sense that this 'stair of light' is a metaphor?

The '4th density' here correlate with the '4th chakra', the heart chakra, and those who choose negative path (STS) somehow 'skipped' the 4th chakra. Maybe it's due to their resistance to 'release' or 'detached' from their 'identity' / the limited self? And or maybe also due to lack of willingness to also attached to another 'identities'? The "Others"... including the soul's own higher self.

I'm on the understanding that all identities are part of it's own respective higher self including those who are still on STS illusion, thinking that they're separated from others.

The point of the post was to speak about how to approach, or how to experience, the soul, and the suggestion is that this is done by exploring and[ freeing up the experience of the various levels of inherent consciousness.

I understand this as exploring the fragmented soul(s).

Yes, that is true at that level of consciousness, but is not so at another level where even identity is surrendered.

16.22 Questioner: Thank you very much. In previous material, before we communicated with you, it was stated by the Confederation that there is actually no past or future… all is present. Would this be a good analogy?

Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

Yes, I suppose, but because I'm not involved with a SMC in this particular incarnation, my interest lies more, as I said up above, in communing with the aspect of self which distills from the incarnations the important, essential elements.  I find that approach to--or aspect of--spiritual growth quite compelling.  I also expect it would make one's spiritual work here more efficient.
  

I think you mean where all identities are surrendered or released. Erasing all the border or limit of the 'self'.
No more attachment and thus attached to all..
No more 'them', 'he' or 'she', everything and everyone is "I".

And Ra hasn't done that either and so does 'higher selves'...
My understanding of 'higher self' is the finite consciousness's last stage of identification before the ultimate release of all identification.

My way of experiencing is through the process of 'identifying' and 'de-identifying' my 'self'.

A simple exercise to try is by creating another 'avatar' on this webforum or another webforum and assume a different identity and personality for that avatar.  And have those avatar discussed thing with each others, and also very interesting to try is to have those avatars to have an argument with one another. I then repeatedly identifying and de-identifying myself to and from the avatars.

Novelist do this often.. thus they're used to it...
But without the 'memory / information access limitation' a.k.a the veil of forgetting.

This was partly inspired by observing a person with D.I.D (Disassociate Identity Disorder).
Although the 'term' disorder is incorrect, as it actually happened to everyone (and everything).

The 'specialty' of D.I.D is a person with D.I.D have multiple identification within one body, thus multiple personalities within one body, with the addition of 'memory access limitation' aka 'veil of forgetting'. When a 'personality' came forward the other 'personalities' will fell unconscious and have no memory access to experience as experienced by other personality that came forward.

Specifically I observe this through this girl's channel on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6kFD5x...lytv5pTR1w

Besides 'fragmentation' to many identities, the girl also experienced 'identity and personality merger', she calls it 'integration'. There's an episode where an identity named Chloe and Nina merged into one identity, and the new identity now have access to both Chloe and Nina experiences.

I take that this will be similar (although not exact) to what happened when an identity / soul merged with it's 'higher self'.
And if my memory served me well, I think Ra also mentioned the same process (merging with higher self) as part of what happened to an identity / soul after death but I forgot where it is being mentioned.

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[flofrog]

To go back to the OP peregrine, isn’t meditation the easiest way to access the soul ?


I would add this, the meditating, plus an extraordinary event jolting you once incarnating in 3rd density..

As example, in my present incarnation, one of my children, prior to just being two years old near-drowned in a pool. I found his body floating, took him inside and was as in a step back mode where, while I had laid him down on the floor, I asked Logos/ spiritual guides what do I do, what if I do CPR and he is in a coma. I received clear as a bell ‘ you are free to choose to let him go, but if you do COR, you will need lots of courage.’ I chose CPR, but I was like a step back from the situation, there was no panic and if I look at it now, this is one instance where I feel i connected to my soul and my guides in a kind of detached clear and perhaps pure way.

Useless to say that afterwards emotional life was intense. But there was pure peace, so strangely during those moments.

I have read or listened to accounts from other parents in similar moments, so my case is far from unique.

[Sacred Fool]

I somehow got the sense that this 'stair of light' is a metaphor?

Whether it's stairs, a ramp or a golden escalator, what they're talking about is a gradation of intensity of light/love.  The grade of light/love at which one feels comfortable (3D or 4D) indicates what level planet (3D or 4D) a newly dis-incarnate self will take birth upon to do their work in consciousness.

The '4th density' here correlate with the '4th chakra', the heart chakra, and those who choose negative path (STS) somehow 'skipped' the 4th chakra. Maybe it's due to their resistance to 'release' or 'detached' from their 'identity' / the limited self? And or maybe also due to lack of willingness to also attached to another 'identities'? The "Others"... including the soul's own higher self.

I'm on the understanding that all identities are part of it's own respective higher self including those who are still on STS illusion, thinking that they're separated from others.

As I read the material, what you say here is a bit askew.  The 4D negative entity progresses into 4D because it has learned to love deeply; however, this love is not registered in the heart chakra, so it's a bit confusing.  4D+ love is of the heart and radiating, wanting the best for all in an equal manner.  4D- love is magnetically inwardly drawing of energy, therefore it's concealed and difficult to read.  It feels all are best served if it, above all, is given respect and power.  It feels that its ascendancy in power is the best way uplift you and me.  Think of your basic selfish guru.  So, it's not entirely detached from other entities, it's just very particular about the kind of attachment it will allow.

There is only one higher self, not a separate one for positive and negative 4D & 5D entities.  This is because the higher self experiences reality beyond the point of needing to have a polarity, therefore, it has no discomfort with either one.

The point of the post was to speak about how to approach, or how to experience, the soul, and the suggestion is that this is done by exploring and freeing up the experience of the various levels of inherent consciousness.

I understand this as exploring the fragmented soul(s).

I'm so glad, jafar, that you mentioned that your conceptual framework for this stuff is built around what you learned about D.I.D.  Up until that point I really couldn't follow you, but this now makes a lot of sense to me.  You see, when I was of high school age, learning about what was then called Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) was very significant indicator to me that consciousness is far, far more interesting--and powerful--than we are casually led to believe.

So, given something of a shared background, I would say the following about how I understand these two models converge or overlap (MPD and the Ra/Q'uo readings). 

The critical elements I would point to distinguishing the idea of the soul which has many incarnative experiences from the person who has many personalities are these.  (1) The soul purposely incarnates in different contextual environments in order to gain further experience as it grows in spiritual maturity, whereas MPD is brought on by severe trauma and is unintentional.  (2) The incarnations of the soul--such as you yourself right now--are in the process of developing spiritual awareness wholly independent, usually, of the other incarnated selves; however, the multiples, being fractured bits of one composite personality, DO NOT (as I understand it) grow spiritually on their own at all.  Rather, the composite individual may grow as the multiples are glued back together, so to speak.

And so, the business of stitching together the multiples in a patient is important for that patient's mental health on the Earth-plane level, but the assembling of the soul's incarnations happens at the level of the higher self in late 6D and is not our worry here in 3D.  However, having contact with the soul, with spirit guides, etc. can be very useful, depending upon what kind of service one wishes to offer.  And, in contrast with the MPD/DID situation, this is all about exploring finer capacities of consciousness, and not so much about organizing one's basic experience of 3D life.

I hope that provides some avenues of thought for you.
   

To go back to the OP peregrine,  isn’t meditation the easiest way to access the soul ?

Yes, surely.  The next question might be, how can one explore such things in meditation?  And that's what the OP was sort of about.  Of course, this also prompts the question (which I completely failed to address in the OP, just stumbled over above in my response to jafar), why would anyone want to contact their soul?  And I would agree with what I already noted above: doing so may help facilitate service they wish to offer, service to the planet, for example.

I have read or listened to accounts from other parents in similar moments, so my case is far from unique.

Yes, we sometimes access our "guidance system," as Q'uo likes to call it, in times of duress.  Q'uo recommends doing so all the time, and that might just be a good idea.
  

[jafar]

I'm so glad, jafar, that you mentioned that your conceptual framework for this stuff is built around what you learned about D.I.D.  Up until that point I really couldn't follow you, but this now makes a lot of sense to me.  You see, when I was of high school age, learning about what was then called Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) was very significant indicator to me that consciousness is far, far more interesting--and powerful--than we are casually led to believe.

So, given something of a shared background, I would say the following about how I understand these two models converge or overlap (MPD and the Ra/Q'uo readings). 

The critical elements I would point to distinguishing the idea of the soul which has many incarnative experiences from the person who has many personalities are these.  (1) The soul purposely incarnates in different contextual environments in order to gain further experience as it grows in spiritual maturity, whereas MPD is brought on by severe trauma and is unintentional.  (2) The incarnations of the soul--such as you yourself right now--are in the process of developing spiritual awareness wholly independent, usually, of the other incarnated selves; however, the multiples, being fractured bits of one composite personality, DO NOT (as I understand it) grow spiritually on their own at all.  Rather, the composite individual may grow as the multiples are glued back together, so to speak.

And so, the business of stitching together the multiples in a patient is important for that patient's mental health on the Earth-plane level, but the assembling of the soul's incarnations happens at the level of the higher self in late 6D and is not our worry here in 3D.  However, having contact with the soul, with spirit guides, etc. can be very useful, depending upon what kind of service one wishes to offer.  And, in contrast with the MPD/DID situation, this is all about exploring finer capacities of consciousness, and not so much about organizing one's basic experience of 3D life.

I hope that provides some avenues of thought for you.

My current view of 'soul' is a 'scoped / finite unit of consciousness'.
Consciousness were never being created thus shall never be destroyed.
The 'scope' of consciousness however can be created through identification / fragmentation and can also be merged.
The technical mechanism is governed mostly by 'access to memory / data' that's what I understood when Ra mentioned something like 'social memory complex'.

My journey didn't start with Ra's material, I actually found it just recently, somewhere around last year. But when I read it I found a material which resonate well with my 'findings'. And I can somehow understood the 'angle' from which the author describe things.

My journey started with personal experiences and thus experimentation with identifying and de-identifying. For example: How or why I can call the figure that I see in the mirror as me, but not millions of bacterias and cellular lifeforms living inside of it. Why I call specific nationality as my nationality, specific race as my race, specific tradition as my tradition, specific religion as my religion, specific football club as my football club and so on and so on...

Yes D.I.D and M.P.D, hmmm let's drop the last D shall we, because truly it was not a 'disorder' at all, it happened naturally in multiple form. The D.I and M.P or fragmentation and merging of consciousness happened all the time with every-'one'. That's the process which makes 'one' into many 'one' thus the word some'one' and every'one' was invented in the first place.

I experienced M.P by experimenting with avatars in webforums.. created multiple avatars, each with different background and characteristics. And I also sometimes makes them involved in an argument with each others. To those unknowing, they see a dialogue, while actually it's a monologue. Me arguing with myself, through different avatars.

And what makes you think that 'peregrine' and 'jafar' is a different 'one' ?
Why not explore the possibility that the 'dialogue' between 'peregrine' and 'jafar' is actually a monologue as well?

This is among the 'angle' to explore the concept of 'unity'.
The person that you hate, the person that you just don't understand, the enemy, every'one' which you labeled as 'them'  might be actually 'you' as well.
The one that hinder 'you' from identifying yourself with 'them' is merely limitation of access to their experiences or memory.

This is what happened when some'one' claimed on experiencing 'past lives'.
A good example, as told by Jurgen Ziewe based on his own experience.
https://youtu.be/fWYw59UCsJs?t=648

What happened to him, was he has access to memory of life experiences as experienced by other 'one', other 'avatar', other personalities. The moment he has access to the memory, he then identify himself to those personalities as well, in addition to his identification with the avatar named Jurgen Ziewe. And since the 'time dimension' is different, it's in the 'past' he calls it as 'past lives'.

And since time, in absolute reality, is not linear and actually don't exist.
The same process is validly possible to happened in not linear manner, what governed it is merely 'border of information' or using IT term 'firewall access to memory' of experiences.

When you or I happened to have access to memory of experiences as experienced by Donald Trump for example, you and I will identify 'me' as Donald Trump as well, and gain understanding of all facets of his life and character. All of his action and saying which was thought to be 'bizarre' and 'strange' suddenly become 'sensible' because you and I understand everything about the avatar called Donald Trump.

The same thing goes to "Genghis Khan" or other avatars which was labeled as "STS" or "negative entities".

Thus a 'soul' is merely a conception of 'scoped consciousness' bordered with limitation of access to information / memory. Produced through the process of 'identification'.

"I used to be a guy who was experiencing the Universe, but now I feel like the Universe experiencing a guy"
- Jim Carrey.

[Sacred Fool]

I wish well on your voyage through that territory, jafar.  I'm sure it will serve you well to seek out these perspectives.

Mine is a somewhat different trajectory, and if you're interested, you can read below Q'uo's suggestion.

In order to dig down into the treasure of self, you must break the container that holds all of that pride or arrogance of accomplishment. When you have released this structure, you will find that you are as vulnerable as a tiny kitten, such as the one that is snuggled up against this instrument’s ankle at this moment. Only when you have become as a tiny child, free of the burden of your wisdom, can you at last break the bunker of self-consciousness.

My brother, how deeply and how truly you seek to do that! And yet how clever are the many, many thoughts and strategies that will gladly entrain your intelligence and distract your will. These forces within you do not wish for you to open your heart. They like having full pockets. They do not want you to empty your pockets of these things which, to the surface personality, seem to suggest selfhood. Yet there is a powerful voice within you that says that this is not true consciousness. And you hunger for that.

What is the “I” of a person and of a soul? When consciousness itself is the “I” of you, then shall your heart be free to open and blossom and radiate infinitely. And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

On the one hand is the additive process you discuss, and on the other there's also a subtractive process.  In my view, the first leads to balanced neutralization of many-ness, while the other describes the opening up of that balanced personal consciousness to a further level of consciousness which is otherwise unnoticed.
  

PS: So whose is this jafar-peregrine monlogue, yours or mine...or is it of consciousness itself?  If the latter, then the question remains, how may the individuated consciousness approach it?  You say, through the additive process.  I say, the one may lead to the other, and that may lead to the heart of consciousness which transcends the many.

[jafar]

I wish well on your voyage through that territory, jafar.  I'm sure it will serve you well to seek out these perspectives.

Mine is a somewhat different trajectory, and if you're interested, you can read below Q'uo's suggestion.

In order to dig down into the treasure of self, you must break the container that holds all of that pride or arrogance of accomplishment. When you have released this structure, you will find that you are as vulnerable as a tiny kitten, such as the one that is snuggled up against this instrument’s ankle at this moment. Only when you have become as a tiny child, free of the burden of your wisdom, can you at last break the bunker of self-consciousness.

My brother, how deeply and how truly you seek to do that! And yet how clever are the many, many thoughts and strategies that will gladly entrain your intelligence and distract your will. These forces within you do not wish for you to open your heart. They like having full pockets. They do not want you to empty your pockets of these things which, to the surface personality, seem to suggest selfhood. Yet there is a powerful voice within you that says that this is not true consciousness. And you hunger for that.

What is the “I” of a person and of a soul? When consciousness itself is the “I” of you, then shall your heart be free to open and blossom and radiate infinitely. And from that perspective alone shall you at last be able to march from the sanctum sanctorum, fed and strengthened, in full knowledge of who you are for the first time and ready at last to do serious work upon balancing the wisdom which you offered to yourself as a gift and as catalyst.

On the one hand is the additive process you discuss, and on the other there's also a subtractive process.  In my view, the first leads to balanced neutralization of many-ness, while the other describes the opening up of that balanced personal consciousness to a further level of consciousness which is otherwise unnoticed.

I tend to agree with the description given by Ra above, or is it by Quo?
Well actually how does it matter whether it is Ra or Quo or Odin, since it's yet another example of identification...

Identification has it's pair, De-identification.

I experienced this through my experiment with "My Football Club".

Initial state:
I identify myself with a specific football club, I label it "My Football Club".
I feel happy and joy when "My Football Club" won a match, and I feel sad and disappointment when "My Football Club" lost a match. I feel excitement when "My Football Club" scored a goal and feel sad and disappointment when "My Football Club" conceded a goal.

Deidentification
I then 'de identify' myself from this specific football club, I then act as merely as 'neutral observer' of the match. I analyze objectively of what's going on in a match like a football analyst or commentator or even a referee. This team has a good winger that team has weakness in positioning etc... But I don't feel the same excitement (and disappointment) when whichever team scored a goal. I still however able to appreciate the 'beauty' and 'wonder' of skills, techniques and  coordination as shown by both team.

But....  the 'excitement' (and disappointment) I no longer experienced it.
Then I thought I want to also experience the 'excitement' but only the 'excitement' and not the 'disappointment'.

Identification To Many
I found that such is also possible by identifying myself to both team on a match.
More precisely by alternating my identification to any of the 2 team on a match.

But in order to do that I need to become familiar with both team, before the match I extensively research the history and background of each them, becoming familiar as well with the players, the stadium, the fan club, the chant and any other nuances as much as possible.

Once that done, my familiarity has caused a sense of 'attachment' to both team.
Both team are 'my team' now.

During the match, every time a team possessed the ball, I identity 'myself' (or attach myself) to that team. When they lost the possession of a ball I switch my identification to the other team.
Every time a goal being scored (by whomever) I can feel the 'excitement' of my team scoring a goal.
Whatever the final results, I always feel 'my team won the match'.

Other people see this as a weird behavior, and a friend labeled me as suffering from "F.C.I.D" Football Club Identity Disorder.

And the opposite is true, when I switch my identification to the 'losing team', I can also feel the 'disappointment' of losing the match.

And when I dis-identify from both team, I feel neither from the result of the match.

PS: So whose is this jafar-peregrine monlogue, yours or mine...or is it of consciousness itself?  If the latter, then the question remains, how may the individuated consciousness approach it?  You say, through the additive process.  I say, the one may lead to the other, and that may lead to the heart of consciousness which transcends the many.

It is an evolutionary process, but try it yourselves so you will experience it and not merely knowing it.

Create two avatars, have them discussed (or argue) with each other, let's named it Adebowale and Michiko, the more contrast the avatar background and personality is, the better. And make Michiko ask Adebowale the same question, so who is this Adebowale-Michiko monologue, yours or mine? or is it of consciousness itself?

Or create a novel, that's also the same thing, it's the same as, within the context of Lord Of The Rings novel.
Frodo: so who is this story belongs to? You Gandalf? or mine? or is it Sauron?
Gandalf: It actually belong to J.R.R Tolkien
Frodo: Who is he?
Gandalf: He is you and me and Sauron and the elves and the dwarves and the forest and the volcano everything that exist in our universe, that's how we can perceive him.
Frodo: So he is also a hobbit like me?
Gandalf: Well you can also say that... among others...

All the characters, scenery, dialogue, conflict, war within Lord Of The Rings novel were actually happened inside J.R.R Tolkien's thought. In other words, 'thought-forms' of J.R.R Tolkien.

[Sacred Fool]

   
I get the FCID and the JRRTID, and I have two queries.  (1) Does love fit into this somehow?  Is it meaningful, functional somehow?  (2) Is there transformation of consciousness from one state to another?  I don't mean an increase in awareness, but something as game-changing as from merely-mental-consciousness to heart consciousness, for instance?
  

[flofrog]

I like what Jafar said. There are very few people on Earth towards whom I tend to feel creepy, but if I start to densify, sort of, with them, the love comes unconditionally to them now really easy.

I don't know if this is food for your mill, peregrine

[Sacred Fool]

I don't know if this is food for your mill, peregrine  

As presented, this paradigm feels like artificial or artificial-like intelligence having fun with itself.  I'm wondering how Transcendence, Love or Service to Divinity might be tied in to it.

I'm just curious by nature. that's all.
   

[Black Dragon]

I don't know if this is food for your mill, peregrine  

As presented, this paradigm feels like artificial or artificial-like intelligence having fun with itself.  I'm wondering how Transcendence, Love or Service to Divinity might be tied in to it.

I'm just curious by nature. that's all.
   

Without derailing too much into Gnosticism...what you are referring to is what I've seen usually called the "Matrix" or "Demiurge". It's like a program that converts code into an actual web site you can go to, if you will. It is very much like a machine. It translates the "code" from the higher source into the illusion-at least of physical reality(but I think maybe the greater illusion of the whole octave). This thing, being very mechanistic, I don't think is capable in and of itself of awareness of "Transcendence, Love, or Service to Divinity". Those things are not directly tied to the Demiurge, they come from beyond, they are part of the "code" that gets filtered through, and all though the Demiurge itself doesn't understand them, they still make their way into the illusion.

Now there's a whole nother thing about how a portion of this demiurge is seen as "corrupted"-as the adversary, the source of the power of the STS path. I'm not going to go into all the doom and gloom stuff about that, but suffice it so say, some of the left hand path mystery schools(from what I've heard), have a tendency to model their structures and practices after "nature", or "natural law". What they are actually modeling it after, is the law of the demiurge, of the illusion(you know, survival of the fittest, predator/prey, all that wonderful stuff). This is what they assume is "natural law", because they are either unaware of or in open rebellion to the greater law which lies beyond the illusion/Demiurge.

Hopefully, I did not get off topic or derail. Just some thoughts I might share from my own seeking along the same lines of curiosity.

[Sacred Fool]

It's like a program that converts code into an actual web site you can go to, if you will. It is very much like a machine. It translates the "code" from the higher source into the illusion-at least of physical reality(but I think maybe the greater illusion of the whole octave). This thing, being very mechanistic, I don't think is capable in and of itself of awareness of "Transcendence, Love, or Service to Divinity". Those things are not directly tied to the Demiurge, they come from beyond, they are part of the "code" that gets filtered through, and all though the Demiurge itself doesn't understand them, they still make their way into the illusion.

 
I can't recall the Confederation crowd going in to much detail about the mechanics of the illusion.  Although their emphasis is certainly on spiritual principles, their conceptual explanations do seem to jibe with jafar's presentation in that the construction of illusion is directed by the entity's own biases and predilections.  In other words, one experiences that which one desires to experience until those experiences run their course.

As I read the Confederation model, a being's turning towards Transcendence, Love, Divinity and all that stuff happens on a level which is orthogonal to the personal identity.  Identities come and go with the tides, but the resonance of those deeper qualities lead a being to fall through the looking glass and experience consciousness using organs of awareness different from what we ordinarily employ.  That is, the sacred elements are like the string upon which the "demiurgical" identities are strung.  They are the deeper identity, the deeper impulse which induces your Creation, not some scheming author nor chunk of encoded symbols.  And then the strands of that string of sacred elements trails off into the Mystery of......................................................?
  

[jafar]

   
I get the FCID and the JRRTID, and I have two queries.  (1) Does love fit into this somehow?  Is it meaningful, functional somehow?  (2) Is there transformation of consciousness from one state to another?  I don't mean an increase in awareness, but something as game-changing as from merely-mental-consciousness to heart consciousness, for instance?
  

(1) There are many form of 'love', the vocabulary english language is so 'poor' on this definition, and combined all form of loving emotion into one word, 'love'. Sanskrit language in comparison have 96 words related to love, that describe each loving emotion with it's peculiarities.

A form of love called 'unconditional love' is the overall umbrella of everything. The creational energy, I think Ra uses the word "love/light" for this.

Following the previous example: I identify myself to the football club(s) based on my unconditional love towards them. I didn't ask or expect anything in return, I actually invested my time to do research on them and money to watch the matches.

Tolkien created Lord Of The Ring out of 'unconditional love' as well, it took more than 12 years of his love labor to finished the trilogy. Without the 'unconditional love' he will not have the energy to came up with such creation. He didn't knew what the response will be, it can be well received or a fluke by the public, but nonetheless he did it anyway, out of 'unconditional love'.

Thus thought forms such as Frodo, Gandalf, Boromir, Legolas or even the villains such as Sauron, Saruman, the multitude of unnamed Orcs are created of his 'unconditional love'.

We sometimes use other words for it, soulful and un-soulful to differentiate artistic products (novels, music, movies, paintings) that are created by certain degree amount of 'love' being put into them.

Novels that are written in a rush, short deadline, without appropriate amount of 'love energy' being put into them, we call them "cheap novels".

We also use the word "Epic" to describe the work of art that we can sense being created with high level amount of energy. The Epic of Mahabharata is among the example.

The same goes with temples or buildings, Giza pyramid, Angkor Wat, Borobudur, Kaliasa to name a few, the construction of some of those monuments spanned multiple generation of human lifetime. Love energy of multitude of people spanning multiple generations.

There are also another form of 'love', a possessive one, a divisive one, another version of identification.

Revisiting the F.C.I.D example: to show your love to one of the football club you must HATE the rivals of the football club that you love. This kind of love has tendency to become the destructive energy. In this example we commonly uses the word "Fanaticism" and specifically "Hooliganism". Brawl and fighting between fans of rivalling club is an example of the manifestation of this kind of destructive love.

We also observe this in politics, love towards specific political party, political figure or even nationhood.
To show your love to USA you must HATE Russia and China.

The last US presidential debate clearly show this, which countries that you consider as our adversary? Both candidate cited Russia and China. Such thought forms will be manifested.. as a response Russia and China will definitely acted as a  'adversary' in their interaction with the USA. The wishes being manifested into reality.

Little do the mentioned politicians aware that the iPhone that they use daily was the products of love labor of the factory workers living in Shenzhen and miners living in Baotou. Without their love energy none of the iPhone shall be manifested into reality.

Nonetheless, such (negative) events and emotions were also the product of love energy... a different kind of love.

Thus the statement of "Love created Everything" is still correct....

(2) Is there transformation of consciousness from one state to another? but something as game-changing as from merely-mental-consciousness to heart consciousness

Although I don't understand on what you meant by 'mental' and 'heart' consciousness.

But yes there is, when you created two avatars, citing the previous example, you are transforming your consciousness from the avatar that you've created to you (as it's higher consciousness) and then possibly to another avatar that you created. Thus forming dialogue between those two avatars.

Tolkien also did this, transforming his own consciousness from Frodo to his own and then to Sauron the villain.

That is the easiest example to experience the 'transformation of consciousness' that can be easily experienced by anyone at anytime.

Other means is also possible, people call this "spiritual experiences", Out of body experience (OBE), Near death experience, Astral projection (AP) to name a few. Where one experience his / her own consciousness being projected outside of his / her own body. Seeing his body / usual identity from different perspective thus the realization that I'm not (only) my body.

Or using LOTR novel perspective Frodo realized that he is not only Frodo. Frodo is merely a form of identification of his own (higher) self, among many. Tolkien consciousness is Frodo's higher self while also Sauron's higher self too.

'Physical death' is also an event that one can experience this transformation of consciousness. It's definitely a 'game changing' experience as you've literally ended a game session.  Onward you might want to either play again the same game but with different avatar, or choose another kind of game to play or take a rest for a while.

While OBE and AP is similar to you focusing your attention temporarily away from the game that you're currently playing because your mom interrupted you and asked you to took away the trash or clean the dishes. Afterwards you continue playing the same game with the same avatar. And yes, physical death is a form of OBE and AP, projecting your consciousness elsewhere away from your body.

Meditation is also another technique to achieve this, mindfulness meditation can cause you to temporarily detached yourself from your ego / temporal identity of the avatar, and observe him (or her) as if it's another being. Mindfulness meditation asked you to focus to only one thing, usually breathing, and it's difficult as there's always a chatter of thought happening inside your mind which drifted your focus to something else. That is actually the objective; to recognize that continuous chatter of thoughts as a 'separate' being, as the avatar's identity that you're currently focusing on or identify yourself with.

[Sacred Fool]

Although I don't understand on what you meant by 'mental' and 'heart' consciousness.

The path you're on seems useful for balancing a sense of the 3D self and all its possible self-identifications.  The intended point of this thread, however, has to do with communing with the portion of self which initiates these identities, but lives well outside of 3D.  It's a place, not just of neutrality, but of transcendent acceptance, caring and inclusion.  Q'uo avers that it is accessed by 3D mortals through the passageway of the deep heart, but not merely by rearranging mental associations on a lateral 3D plane.  Entry through the looking glass of the heart opens the opportunity for direct communion with the aspect of Divinity to which we are most closely tied: our own soul.
  

[Louisabell]

Kind of late to the party, but I would be interested in any thoughts on my ideas on this subject. 

But if the soul is in an higher density, and we become our soul after death, then why would the soul need to be tested for entry into 4D?

Taking that one step further, then am I not my soul right now, both as it's in 6D and as it is traveling from 3D to 4D?  Why do I not readily perceive this?  Could it be that I am simply confused about my identity?  Or is it a bit more complex than that?

I see there being a difference between the concepts Higher Self, the soul and the personality. As Ra states, the Higher Self is a late sixth density being, created right before the 'soul' reaches the moment that it no longer is invested in being an individuated portion of the Creator (right before seventh density). The Higher Self as a being in sixth density, operates outside of time. The soul on the other hand, I see more as a stream or passage of consciousness, difficult to pin-down as it is dynamic in its very nature. 

I imagine that at the beginning of the creation of our soul, our Higher Self exists as our future potential in the case that we have exercised little to no freewill throughout our passage through the densities. So in the beginning, the Higher Self is our potential if we solely allowed the creation to act upon us on the long journey back to source. Therefore, this early Higher Self would have some idea of the trajectory that its soul will cross, with a very good idea of its own unique qualities. 

However, there must be surprises, unexpected twists and turns, in order for Freewill to have any weight in the creation, and for us to fulfill the very purpose of the creation - for the Creator to learn about him/herself.. We must be given the freedom to co-create.

Therefore we must actually enter the "simulation" and play along, as it were. We must direct our focus into each incarnational stream and exercise our freewill to the full extent that is allowed. Our Higher Self, the very essence of our potential, is being constantly fed by the distillations of our experiences as they occur in 'real-time'. So Higher Self acts as the guide, while we (souls) act as potentiators to that guide, without paradox. 

One can imagine the immense opening of possibility/probability vortexes when we exercise our freewill while interacting with other co-creators, who are also exercising their freewill. So fruitful Freewill is, that it can greatly shorten or lengthen our path back to the Creator.  Our Higher Self then becomes more and more articulated, until the time when we can step into it as the very same being as ourselves. 

So we must be 'present' for all of it, as the eternal focus of attention (soul). This focus is always the same, it is just as powerful in the first density than in the sixth density. The difference is in how muddy the viewfinder (personality) is.  ... well that's what I currently think anyways

[flofrog]

I feel in agreement Louisabell totally about the paradox of time holding the soul in potentiality and the necessary evolution through densities to get to it... my view too.

Courage peregrine ,

[jafar]

Although I don't understand on what you meant by 'mental' and 'heart' consciousness.

The path you're on seems useful for balancing a sense of the 3D self and all its possible self-identifications.  The intended point of this thread, however, has to do with communing with the portion of self which initiates these identities, but lives well outside of 3D.  It's a place, not just of neutrality, but of transcendent acceptance, caring and inclusion.  Q'uo avers that it is accessed by 3D mortals through the passageway of the deep heart, but not merely by rearranging mental associations on a lateral 3D plane.  Entry through the looking glass of the heart opens the opportunity for direct communion with the aspect of Divinity to which we are most closely tied: our own soul.
  

Yes as language is a "3D" tools of communication and language is a symbolization of "3D" concepts.
There are 'concepts' beyond "3D" that is hard and nearly impossible to describe using language, thus the best way to approach it is by using 'metaphor' towards similar "3D" concept thus can be easily understood.

Imagine explaining the meaning of the word "Red" to a blind sighted people since birth.
The best way is to use metaphor of "sound", something that is referenceable to him, "Red" might be similar to certain frequencies of sound, like the "bass guitar" that you heard in a song. But it's frequency or spectrum of light not of sound.

Having said that the 'higher' self doesn't lives outside of 3D.
It lives (also) within the 3D through the means of his/her/it's avatars.

Again explaining this in metaphor of webforum, it's in the same manner as the 'higher self' of jafar, an avatar on this webforum doesn't live outside of this webforum. He/She/It experience this webforum universe through one of it's avatar named jafar. It can also create many different avatar also on the same webforum (and also possible on many other different webforums), and have them interact with each others within the same webforum, forming a 'monologue' to him while 'dialogue' to others, especially to the avatar.

Therefore we must actually enter the "simulation" and play along, as it were. We must direct our focus into each incarnational stream and exercise our freewill to the full extent that is allowed. Our Higher Self, the very essence of our potential, is being constantly fed by the distillations of our experiences as they occur in 'real-time'. So Higher Self acts as the guide, while we (souls) act as potentiators to that guide, without paradox.

One can imagine the immense opening of possibility/probability vortexes when we exercise our freewill while interacting with other co-creators, who are also exercising their freewill. So fruitful Freewill is, that it can greatly shorten or lengthen our path back to the Creator.  Our Higher Self then becomes more and more articulated, until the time when we can step into it as the very same being as ourselves.

So we must be 'present' for all of it, as the eternal focus of attention (soul). This focus is always the same, it is just as powerful in the first density than in the sixth density. The difference is in how muddy the viewfinder (personality) is.  ... well that's what I currently think anyways

Yes the 'higher self' is not the 'other soul' that separated from it's 'avatar soul'.
The word 'soul' is quite misleading actually, the word 'consciousness' is relatively closer to symbolize the concept.

If we symbolize infinite consciousness as a very wide infinite ocean.
Then a 'persona soul' might be defined as a finite volume of water of the infinite ocean, let's say 1 cubic meter.
This 'soul' is a part of a larger consciousness, larger volume of water, let's say 100 souls/personas or 100 cubic meter of water of the same infinite ocean. That it's the (relatively) higher self..

This 100 cubic of water is also part of larger part of water of the same infinite ocean, let's say 10,000 cubic meter of water. This goes on and on, as this 'unit' of consciousness evolve, it become aware that I am actually a part of an infinite ocean, and there is no other way to expand further it's scope of identification through 'enlargement' because the volume is actually infinite! The only way to reach the infinite is to dissolve it's own border of identification, without any border of identification (dissolving it's own identification border) thus it become 'unified' with the infinite ocean.

The infinite ocean, the higher selves, the personas soul, is made of the same water, the 'scope' of how it see the volume of water (identification) is the one that is evolving until it dissolve itself and merged with the identification of infinite ocean.

[Diana]

I have a couple of thoughts.

1. Letting go of the attachment to the drama here. Or maybe just loosening it. When things are held rigidly—like beliefs—there is no chance of opposing or larger views to be perceived or accepted as possibilities. When the focus is on the human drama (which must be handled but ideally in a balanced fashion with processing) there is no (or less) room for reception of all that which is beyond the Earthly stage we play upon at present. 

2. Study the archetypes (with proper care and intent) according to Ra, and get an idea of the Logos' underlying blueprint. In doing so, apparently I will add, the idea is to not only achieve some efficacy in navigating this reality, but to access the spirit (the shuttle) to intelligent infinity and utilize intelligent energy.

3. As Flofrog said, meditation is a good way to detach from this pressing reality and access a bigger picture. I would avoid having preconceived ideas about what meditation will achieve, and just let it unfold how it will.

[meadow-foreigner]

If one wishes to understand the soul, one's essence, it might be interesting to study it from a three-fold perspective. As always, take what will be said here with a grain of salt and process yourself whatever suits you, if you will. This is no absolute truth, just one more perspective of things.

With this being said;

Here in 3D, individuals are comprised of the Mind/Body/Spirit complex.

First, let's define complex. According to Ra:

79.19 Questioner: Could you tell me what you mean by “the significator must become a complex?”

Ra: I am Ra. To be complex is to consist of more than one characteristic element or concept.

So it basically means a plurality of elements that constitute something, much like a complex number that has a real and an imaginary part.

Now:

• The Mind: seat of thoughts, of reason, of logic. Objective and abstract thoughts, be they linear or non-linear, are still thoughts. The mind is a vessel, an instrument, much like the body, albeit more... intangible than the latter. If one wants to know what is the soul, one might do well in studying one's own mind. Archetypical concepts and constructs are useful guidelines, however, they are just the basic foundation from which your own unique mind has been built upon.

• One's conscious mind is comprised of one's current incarnational experience;
  
• One's subconscious mind is comprised of the total sum of one's incarnational experience. Everything that one experiences is processed by the subconscious mind. All the time.
  
• One's unconscious mind, for lack of a better term, is the total sum of all of one's incarnational experiences, in every density, up to the mid-sixth density.
  

Know thyself; else one might walk in circles, unaware of the karmic loops one has entangled oneself in.


• The Body: a vessel of processing and expression of the Infinite Energy that is in The Creation. Emotions are intrinsically intertwined with all of one's bodies. There is one body of manifestation in each density, and beings are multidimensional. You might be reading this from a 3D perspective, or from a 4D perspective, or from the timeless 5D perspective, and so on. Each density body has certain unique characteristics, and one might do well in understanding and honoring one's various bodies, in a manner that doesn't put either of these complex bodies above or below any other of them. One's purely physical body is as important as one's purely energetic body and as important as one's mind and as one's Spirit.


• The Spirit: take away all of one's bodies and one's mind, yet still one lives and brims with the Infinite Life that is in The Creation. Such are the properties of The Spirit, the living breath from The Creator, the fractalized portion of The Creator that individualizes and enlivens you. Godspark, scintille, inner flame, however you name it. The Spirit has the same properties and mechanics of The Creation, and is of mathematically infinite worth. One's Spirit uses certain instruments to manifest oneself, such as mind or body.

A 3D being is an intricate three-fold dynamic of mind, body, and spirit; all three being complex, that is, comprised of more than one element or concept.

Know thyself. Shall one study The Universal Logos, and more specifically our Logoi, one can understand the tweaks that we currently have, set in this current planet.

Let us say, for want of a more precise adjective, that this Logos has a bias towards kindness.

[jafar]

I have a couple of thoughts.

1. Letting go of the attachment to the drama here. Or maybe just loosening it. When things are held rigidly—like beliefs—there is no chance of opposing or larger views to be perceived or accepted as possibilities. When the focus is on the human drama (which must be handled but ideally in a balanced fashion with processing) there is no (or less) room for reception of all that which is beyond the Earthly stage we play upon at present. 

Thanks Diana, I tend to agree here, "self and higher self and higher higher self" is merely a 'finite focus'.
I found another person who prefer to name 'higher self' as 'over self'.
Which I tend to agree as "over" implies inclusion while "higher" implies hierarchy like master and slave, separated.

Enlarge the focus and a 'self' shall arrive at the focus of it's over self.. enlarge the focus again and it shall arrive at it's over-over self and so on...

What intrigues me most is an 'over self' could have a mixed of 'self' who took STS and STO path, the path of unity and path of separation.
Similar to playing Star War video games and having an avatar who took the Jedi path, and another avatar who took the Sith path. Just to experience how the game flow on both path.

3. As Flofrog said, meditation is a good way to detach from this pressing reality and access a bigger picture. I would avoid having preconceived ideas about what meditation will achieve, and just let it unfold how it will.

Agree, meditation could be used as an exercise to 'detach' the self from it's physical identification (body, mind / thoughts). Once detached, the self can either (temporarily) assume another physical identities (another human, animals, plants or even rock) or enlarge the scope of identification to multiple physical identities. Gaining memory of it's "past" lives is a good example. The self now has enlarge it's scope of identification to also includes another character / avatar of it's "past" life.

I deliberately put "past" with quote, as usually that's how it started, afterwards when the 'self' is ready, it might also gain memory of it's "future" lives. The memory of life experience of it's avatar who lived in the future time frame as if it has already happened in the "past".

Physical Death is also another event that act as a stimulus or catalyst for the self to 'detached' itself from it's physical identification. It then can either:
1. Enlarge the focus to realize that it is actually also many other self / avatar, thus gaining the focus of it's over self. Sometimes people call this as ascending to the 'mental' plane.
2. Assume / identify itself with another new physical body, people often call this as 'reincarnation'.
3. Find it so hard to 'detached' itself from it's physical identification, from it's physical body and it's identification attributes while the body has become dysfunctional and somehow get 'stucked' in the in-between physical realm. People often call this turning into a 'ghost', 'spirit', 'astral' existence.

[Sacred Fool]

What intrigues me most is an 'over self' could have a mixed of 'self' who took STS and STO path, the path of unity and path of separation.
Similar to playing Star War video games and having an avatar who took the Jedi path, and another avatar who took the Sith path. Just to experience how the game flow on both path.

  
If an Higher Self were to have no understanding of the STS path, then it could not advise and assist its incarnational off-springs which travel into STS realms.  One could etiolate--to use a Ra word--this argument to suggest that, therefore, we all have had, or will have, such experiences in other incarnations.  This kind of sounds like Oneness, doesn't it?
  

[jafar]

What intrigues me most is an 'over self' could have a mixed of 'self' who took STS and STO path, the path of unity and path of separation.
Similar to playing Star War video games and having an avatar who took the Jedi path, and another avatar who took the Sith path. Just to experience how the game flow on both path.

  
If an Higher Self were to have no understanding of the STS path, then it could not advise and assist its incarnational off-springs which travel into STS realms.  One could etiolate--to use a Ra word--this argument to suggest that, therefore, we all have had, or will have, such experiences in other incarnations.  This kind of sounds like Oneness, doesn't it?
  

Yes.. exactly...
If the 'over self' never experienced the STS path, it cannot offer any advice to the STSes.

One cannot wrote the 'ultimate guide / walkthrough of Star Wars video game' unless the author has experienced the game and took a Sith avatar walking the path of the Sith.

And among the key things to 'learn', in gradual manner, of those who took the STOs path is how much *they are willing to admit, accept, understand and consider STSes as among their own self.

It's easy to love the 'lovable' while it's not so easy to love the 'unlovable'.

*I uses 'they' (3rd person) reference so I can maintain a neutral posture / view between the 'dance' of STOs and STSes.

[Sacred Fool]

   
This is not game, even though such comparisons can be made.


One should proceed with care. 
This is not a game.