Chemtrails again

[Monica]

Do we give our power to the dark things we are aware of? Or do we further encourage our bodies and the earth? Do we realize that our thoughts are directly linked to the health of our mind/body and that of Gaia as well?

Many conspiracies do turn out to have at least some truth to them, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with being open to all possibilities and learning new things. In our current density, it seems as if each new thing one is aware of presents an individual with a choice of how to respond and add their own creative energy. Do we create by attracting, allowing, and acting on that which we desire?

I have noticed less and less chemtrails in my area recently, and the ones I do notice do not disturb my life or outlook in any way. My attitude, health, and experiences are all of my own choosing. The world around us, just like any mirror, does not change until after we do.

Well said! Very balanced view...We can acknowledge the reality of these things while choosing to respond in a positive way, without fear...thus transforming it. Whereas, if we bury our heads in the sand, we lose the opportunity to transform it...we give away our power. The secret to transforming negativity isn't to ignore it; it's to face it head on, and accept it, while simultaneously reprogramming a more positive reality.

[Peregrinus]

[native]

Why? What proof do you have?

I am asking because it seems unreal to me. I really need some proof of some kind. Can you provide any?

Watch this documentary on the subject. Scientific validation is given.

[Phoenix]

I have not paid attention to Chemtrails/contrails before, but you all write about it like it is a given fact.

Why? What proof do you have?

For me, I am skeptical about a lot of conspiracy because they don't reference their work. I have looked, for instance, at 'confessions of an economic hitman', and decided it was a fraud, for several reasons, including my reading round the subject.

I have decided a person should be very careful about what they believe. First person stuff can be suspect, things that involve you in an emotional free for all that rides the general sociological angst against America as well. I follow most of what David Wilcock says, trust him, but he does say where he gets a lot of his stuff.

[unity100]

For me, I am skeptical about a lot of conspiracy because they don't reference their work. I have looked, for instance, at 'confessions of an economic hitman', and decided it was a fraud, for several reasons, including my reading round the subject.

and after to my formal training and life experience, confessions of an economic hitman was something that came too late, and too shallow.

you dont need to be explained the mechanics behind combustion, to see the forest fire.

[Peregrinus]

http://aircrap.org/

[turtledude23]

I did what Joseph suggested today when I saw what I think was a chemtrail, it worked well.

[Joseph326]

Has that by any chance helped you to come to a deeper understanding of yourself as Creator?

[turtledude23]

Has that by any chance helped you to come to a deeper understanding of yourself as Creator?

A little bit as co-creator since my beliefs create my reality.

[Peregrinus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GfMS_S0_zg

[Nabil Naser]

Thank you, Derek, the film was an eye opener for me.

I do not think that these chemtrails are meant to control global warming. They simply can't, because all the particles will fall down within hours due to gravity. In order to control the warming of the weather, they would have to have tens of thousands more of these planes, that must be working around the clock. The temperature is not localized, which makes the effort even more difficult.

Which brings the most important question, why are they doing this?

If this is an effort that is controlled and managed by the government, then the reason has yet to be shared, which begs the question of why?

The suggestion that it is meant to kill people does not sit well with me. Yet I would like to know the motive behind these activities.

Perhaps the government knows that something is about to happen, and they believe that their activities can be of value in helping people deal with it better.

Are there secrets that the government knows, that it is not sharing?

Why? What proof do you have?

I am asking because it seems unreal to me. I really need some proof of some kind. Can you provide any?

Watch this documentary on the subject. Scientific validation is given.

[native]

Glad to hear it. I can attest that they spray probably 5 days a week here, so it is an ongoing continual process in certain areas at least. It's so heavy at times that it can make your throat sore and irritate your eyes.

I think raising awareness rather than speculation is the key. If their activities gained significant exposure I don't see how they would be able to continue.

[zenmaster]

I can attest that they spray probably 5 days a week here,

But are you not just guessing and have no real idea that it is indeed the case? Understood that these days, that doesn't really make you 'paranoid'.

[native]

They're easily differentiated..there's no guessing. These wisp outwards and form a white blanket. It's a new "phenomenon" in the area within the past 6 years or so.

[zenmaster]

They're easily differentiated..there's no guessing. These wisp outwards and form a white blanket. It's a new "phenomenon" in the area within the past 6 years or so.

Ok so you would stake your life on the contention of harmful chemicals, not related to exhaust or sewage systems, being systematically sprayed in large quantities by airplanes 5 times a week?

[native]

Yep!

A more satisfactory answer might be that it's an educated guess, based on the body of evidence we have about these trails and by simple observation. I don't know what they are, but they are not regular contrails. I would like to get soil and snow samples.

[Crimson]

Would you bet your life on the Ra Material being closer to reality than any other stories about realities? Yes, this was a rhetorical question that does not lead to path of discovery. And indeed I based my suspicion about chemtrails, and other negative activities on the Ra Material and its concept of elite, and several questions and answers especially in book V.

We already possess tabular data about these "chemtrails" composition...the research is abundant. Very easy to find although with the trap of fear and doom promoted by desinformation "agents" such as ...well I won't mention names but you get the picture.

The scientific method? Many times useful but not the only way to research. As a matter of fact, the big pharma relies on the "scientific method" to push their medications on us. Our "government" relies on the "scientific method" to build a food pyramid that over the years, just cause heart disease and diabetes (even as children nowadays). Yes go ahead, trust your government (don''t mind they try to cut every service gained with the blood and sweat of many people and give our hard gained money to the bankers "too big to fail"...)

But oh nooooo...they must be doing something to protect us, it does not make any sense that they would do anything to harm us...well yeah the Ra Material says that negative entities jobs is to enslave and gain polarization but hey where is the connection?...Paraphrasing Michael Parenti he more or less once said.." Oh c'mon Michael are you to tell me that they meet in a ROOM to conspire? I mean seriously in a ROOM? No they don't meet in a ROOOOM...they meet in a carroussel or maybe when they practice free falling and they hold hands before opening the parachutes..."

Is it so hard to keep an open mind?

I agree with you Derek that being aware of this possibility is better than not as long (I repeat over and over..) as we do not fall into the trap of fear and doom scenarios.

[unity100]

actually, anyone who would be claiming that they accept Ra material as valid, should be aware that direr things than any potential chemtrail business can be attempted by the private interests.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#7

The craft are perhaps misnamed in some instances. It would be more appropriate to consider them as weaponry. The energy used is that of the field of electromagnetic energy which polarizes the Earth sphere. The weaponry is of two basic kinds: that which is called by your peoples psychotronic and that which is called by your peoples particle beam. The amount of destruction which is contained in this technology is considerable and the weapons have been used in many cases to alter weather patterns and to enhance the vibratory change which engulfs your planet at this time.

[native]

Good points Crimson. Speculation into gloom and doom scenarios will only turn others off from the issue anyway.

[fairyfarmgirl]

I Bless you with Love, Crimson... LOL LOL I Bless the Earth with Love and all the creations there upon her and within her and around her. I bless it all with Love.

fairy

[unity100]

Quite interesting photo below. i saw this through someone's feed, which was carried to my feed probably via a b4th member's own feed :

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1...1235674417

[Protonexus]

Thank you, Derek, the film was an eye opener for me.

I do not think that these chemtrails are meant to control global warming. They simply can't, because all the particles will fall down within hours due to gravity. In order to control the warming of the weather, they would have to have tens of thousands more of these planes, that must be working around the clock. The temperature is not localized, which makes the effort even more difficult.

Which brings the most important question, why are they doing this?

If this is an effort that is controlled and managed by the government, then the reason has yet to be shared, which begs the question of why?

The suggestion that it is meant to kill people does not sit well with me. Yet I would like to know the motive behind these activities.

Perhaps the government knows that something is about to happen, and they believe that their activities can be of value in helping people deal with it better.

Are there secrets that the government knows, that it is not sharing?

Why? What proof do you have?

I am asking because it seems unreal to me. I really need some proof of some kind. Can you provide any?

Watch this documentary on the subject. Scientific validation is given.

There is supposedly a polymer in the mix that forms very thin strands upon catalyzing in the air which serves to keep the mix afloat in air currents.

A guy that called himself (and the project) Deep Shield popularized much of this info, later he apparently commited suicide. If you google deep shield you should come up with some q/a dialog. It is largely fear based, paranoia, of course.

[Nabil Naser]

Some people are promoting fear, and it begs the question of why are they doing that?
The excuse that they give is that there are terrible forces and terrible people that we all must be watching for. Except that they do not have anything that can prove their point.

What we end up with is simply fear.

Do not question the fear, they insist. To question the fear means that you are one of those terrible people.

This makes me sick.

I will not fall victim to fear just because some people choose to believe in something that they have no proof of.

I say, prove it. And if you can't, then don't blame me for not being afraid. Why should I be afraid of something that I am not convinced of?

I wonder how helpful are those people who insist that the world is so terrible, with evil lurking everywhere?

Where is the love and light?
Where is the peace?

Would you bet your life on the Ra Material being closer to reality than any other stories about realities? Yes, this was a rhetorical question that does not lead to path of discovery. And indeed I based my suspicion about chemtrails, and other negative activities on the Ra Material and its concept of elite, and several questions and answers especially in book V.

We already possess tabular data about these "chemtrails" composition...the research is abundant. Very easy to find although with the trap of fear and doom promoted by desinformation "agents" such as ...well I won't mention names but you get the picture.

The scientific method? Many times useful but not the only way to research. As a matter of fact, the big pharma relies on the "scientific method" to push their medications on us. Our "government" relies on the "scientific method" to build a food pyramid that over the years, just cause heart disease and diabetes (even as children nowadays). Yes go ahead, trust your government (don''t mind they try to cut every service gained with the blood and sweat of many people and give our hard gained money to the bankers "too big to fail"...)

But oh nooooo...they must be doing something to protect us, it does not make any sense that they would do anything to harm us...well yeah the Ra Material says that negative entities jobs is to enslave and gain polarization but hey where is the connection?...Paraphrasing Michael Parenti he more or less once said.." Oh c'mon Michael are you to tell me that they meet in a ROOM to conspire? I mean seriously in a ROOM? No they don't meet in a ROOOOM...they meet in a carroussel or maybe when they practice free falling and they hold hands before opening the parachutes..."

Is it so hard to keep an open mind?

I agree with you Derek that being aware of this possibility is better than not as long (I repeat over and over..) as we do not fall into the trap of fear and doom scenarios.

[unity100]

http://vimeo.com/16086484

another video i saw through a b4 member's facebook profile again.

[Crimson]

Some people are promoting fear, and it begs the question of why are they doing that?
The excuse that they give is that there are terrible forces and terrible people that we all must be watching for. Except that they do not have anything that can prove their point.

What we end up with is simply fear.

Do not question the fear, they insist. To question the fear means that you are one of those terrible people.

This makes me sick.

So much focus on precisely what I intend to avoid tells me that this is not coincidence but trying to hijack the thread and turn it to what is usually done in many forums also notice the personal attack technique.

I will not fall victim to fear just because some people choose to believe in something that they have no proof of.

Playing the victim...

I say, prove it. And if you can't, then don't blame me for not being afraid. Why should I be afraid of something that I am not convinced of?

More of precisely what I specifically I wanted to avoid. Several links where provided, he probably does not even read the posts. Tons of research available with a few simple mouse clicks.

I wonder how helpful are those people who insist that the world is so terrible, with evil lurking everywhere?

Again hijacking the thread to focus on negative emotions.

Where is the love and light?
Where is the peace?

Not in your post.

I am just trying to honestly find what those so called chemtrails are. But again I notice that every time somebody tries to pursue these topics the thread gets hijacked or deviated using different techniques if the site in question has sufficient traffic.

25 RULES
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1700

[fairyfarmgirl]

I find that this discussion interesting. Not that it is interesting concerning chemtrails but a sampling of misunderstanding, interpersonal communication styles and intention. Very interesting.

The in-fighting concerning a dueling of ideas and perceptions of reality as well as the arrogance that a certain perception is correct while that other person is wrong... just interesting.

What is it that is so important that one perception of reality is considered better or more provable than the other. What happens if all the perceptions are in fact all part of the whole picture of reality.

The real question, however, is how are you making your life? How are you living your life so that the reality you wish to see shows up synchronistically.

Love Creates. Fear Creates. The universe is impersonal. The creation of what is created is up to the creator... that would be each individual and collective human(ity). The response to the creation is up to each individual. The universe is vast and wide and deep and infinite in the response that you can choose. The operative word is choice.

I Bless you all with Love.

fairyfarmgirl

[Crimson]

What is it that is so important that one perception of reality is considered better or more provable than the other. What happens if all the perceptions are in fact all part of the whole picture of reality.

Because of the potential danger this could represent and by increasing awareness (without fear) about the subject, maybe they stop spraying and if the spraying is harmless then we should know about it.

The real question, however, is how are you making your life? How are you living your life so that the reality you wish to see shows up synchronistically.

With the increase in green ray energy this would manifest more clearly. My suspicion is (educated guess I could be wrong) that these chemtrails delay Earth's green ray activation.

Love Creates. Fear Creates. The universe is impersonal. The creation of what is created is up to the creator... that would be each individual and collective human(ity). The response to the creation is up to each individual. The universe is vast and wide and deep and infinite in the response that you can choose. The operative word is choice.

I was very doubtful about posting in the first place. Did not want this to turn this way. As a matter of fact, most of the time I dread posting. However, I considered the topic to be important enough to risk not being liked much. I do not seek polarization (well in a very special/private way involving only one more person) , I do want to follow my heart though. As a matter of fact, 4d- would be hell for me and 4d+ boring...But I do understand that green ray energy is so beautiful and so much needed right now. And guess what, no matter what happens, Earth will be green.

[native]

http://vimeo.com/16086484

another video i saw through a b4 member's facebook profile again.

Haven't seen that before. Thanks for posting.

[Monica]

I was very doubtful about posting in the first place. Did not want this to turn this way. As a matter of fact, most of the time I dread posting. However, I considered the topic to be important enough to risk not being liked much.

Thank you, Crimson, for doing what you felt was important! I agree that the topic is important enough to speak out about.

This thread is about chemtrails. Everyone has a choice as to whether they are interested in the topic. We can all choose which threads to read.

I personally have not investigated the subject of chemtrails, even though I know a lot of people (whom I respect) who consider them to be a very real issue. So I am grateful for the links, to save me the time of wading thru all the misinfo.

Being informed about something doesn't necessarily mean we are reacting in fear. It's what we do with that knowledge, that matters. There are a lot of issues that I think need to be exposed, so people can become aware of them. This is one of them.

Please do continue this discussion!

[native]

I was very doubtful about posting in the first place.

I think Nabil was agreeing with you dude! About promoting doom and gloom..then went on his own tangent lol