4-5-6th Density Negative

[Focus123]

Question:

If the Veil is lifted after 3rd density and both paths see the Creator and the oneness of all. Why would 4th and 5th Density negatives not see the folly of its path when it sees that at 6th density they must crossover to the positive path by opening green ray.

[zenmaster]

Question:

If the Veil is lifted after 3rd density and both paths see the Creator and the oneness of all. Why would 4th and 5th Density negatives not see the folly of its path when it sees that at 6th density they must crossover to the positive path by opening green ray.

I think there may be some confusion over what the veil is. In an interesting manner, it limits access to a portion of mind that has experienced prior lifetimes (personality shells) and extant knowledge via collective mind (smc, akashic records). This experience is still personal and collective knowledge, up to the point of current understanding (that has been made possible through one's polarizing efforts).

So, without veil, there's a much larger portion of one's total personality available when considering things (i.e. all so-called 'past' lives), but not a change in developmental bias. That bias is integral with actual manifestation itself, so you are literally put where you most compell yourself to be.

[unity100]

i remember that Ra had said that once the veil is lifted, the existing spiritual bias of the entity would cause the entity to go polarizing in the choice it made.

but i couldnt find the specific q/a.

[Lavazza]

It may well be that negative entities do not "switch" polarity, per se, but become more positive as a result of aligning themselves with the Creator (or becoming all that is). Since all that is is all that is, it can abhor none and must encompass all. So on that note, I would imagine positive entities moving more towards negativity as they reach that same mile marker. But "switching" is not accurate I feel... perhaps not the best way to describe it.

I think of it more as a joining in the middle rather than one side switching to another, but I don't have anything to support this theory. Just my hunch here. I suggest it because I agree that from what we know now with our perspectives, it seems silly to continue polarizing negative if you must switch later. And so I suspect there is more to the story than we know at present.

[Experience You]

Well, eric you raise good points.

The middle to me is arriving to the I AM realization in purity, where there is nothing left to include from this (particular?) creation and no others in that sense. I am Aware, I am.

I haven't in any meditations perceived another octave before or after that were not linked to awareness itself, which is all there is to know.
Everything else feels like dreams of awareness exploring what it would be like if there was more then just itself.And the dreams obviously come and are awareness focused/reflected/separated.

The I AM is the focusing gate for this.

Yesterday
Something occurred to me, it felt to me like the returning of creation to simple awareness, the last note so to speak, and in that moment all thoughts feelings experience are viewed at once and i felt that everything was One truly and also felt that all thoughts are a part of the same thought and deeply appreciated in orgasmic fashion.

It felt like true understanding of all that is, felt like nothing was random in that experience, from the color and shape of my bathroom to worms in the earth to me, to my fears to negative and positive Pain and pleasure to even more then that, everything felt To me a great joy. All humanity all perspectives all the dramas and personalities and entities and wishes everything, all of existence.

Everything was joy, everything was one, no thought was left behind, no injustices no one forgotten.

And i cried and i cried and i cried, i had been looking for this moment where everything would make sense all my life.

I felt that the dreams that we all are, long to return to that realization . Only that we are that realization NOW.


And then

And then

And then

.....

Notice, 1 and 8 densities of all octaves are linked, which means all 1-8 octaves are linked to the same thing, awareness.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7
8
1-2-3-4-5-6-7
8
1-2-3-4-5-6-7
8
1-2-3-4-5-6-7
and so forth.

All 1's and 8's are linked to each other therefore our first and eighth densities are linked to all other 1-8 of all existence. All occur at the same moment and not linear from one octave to another.
Experience of one octave to another is a perspective of all that is.

I know this differs from what Ra said,that they didn't know, well this was my experience what can i say.
I don't know just as much as i do know, seam the same thing when i meditate.

Infinity undistorted forever remains unknowable (nothing), but i know this because, it births awareness and all experience is from and is awareness.

We are blobs of experience/awareness.

If what i said does not sounds right to anyone, please ignore it.
But this time i really felt inspired to share.

[Experience You]

All of i said the bulk is *surprise*

I love you All

*cries in joy*

What is left to do but be happy after this ?!

I accept and love everything i call I, I accept and love everything that i can call other then I.
and i know that it all fits together like an orchestra of light and love and it is all good no matter what.
And these thoughts experiences that are sometimes viewed as not so good are actually just as good for the beautiful music that is the Original thought.
Appreciation in liquid love fashion that is all there is in a Creational manner.

[Sacred Fool]

I think of it more as a joining in the middle rather than one side switching to another, but I don't have anything to support this theory.

Here's a modicum of support, old boy:
It strikes me that the STO path is an exaggeration of Love and the STS is an exaggeration of Wisdom. Therefore, they would meet together in the middle in the place of balance.

No doubt some STS folks look ahead and try to re-polarize, but, as was discussed, their bias is deeply ingrained. They generally feel superior to the STO crowd because they seem to be taking a short cut, and for some that might be true.

On the other hand, it's a long road forward for any of us and each takes the pathways peculiar to it (punctuated by long periods of indifference, perhaps).

[Biu_Tze]

Pere, I would like to ask of you a question, all others feel free to chime in.
I understand perhaps this is coming from your own perspective, I don't care if it's supported by
TLOO, personal opinions have value to me too.
I feel more wise than I do loving, I have some emotional blockages, which make wisdom so much more easier.. none the less I feel more inclined towards love, for the brief moments that love is aligned with me, I am at my happiest.
I'm curious to know how STS entities focus' lies more in wisdom, it seems so unwise to hurt other-selves with which you are a part of, it goes straight over my head. Thanks a lot in advance!

[Sacred Fool]

Pere, I would like to ask of you a question, all others feel free to chime in.
I understand perhaps this is coming from your own perspective, I don't care if it's supported by
TLOO, personal opinions have value to me too.
I feel more wise than I do loving, I have some emotional blockages, which make wisdom so much more easier.. none the less I feel more inclined towards love, for the brief moments that love is aligned with me, I am at my happiest.
I'm curious to know how STS entities focus' lies more in wisdom, it seems so unwise to hurt other-selves with which you are a part of, it goes straight over my head. Thanks a lot in advance!

It might be useful, first off, to separate out two different things.

1. It's not unheard of that a being of positive orientation would reach 6D and find that during its previous course of study it learned a lot more about Wisdom than about Love and, consequently, choose to return to 3D to further that study. This was said about myself in the one session I had with Q'uo a few years back (except that my orientation was not specified), and the same could possibly apply to yourself.

2. From my viewpoint, the essence of STS is naming and claiming. In other words, anything I see that I like I declare to be mine (owing to my profoundly intense love of myself). Successful attainment of that which is mine is conditioned by my strength and cleverness. Therefore, deeper developement of Wisdom brings me more expeditiously towards the goal which my love dictates.

On the other hand, the STO entity may be more inclined to believe that cultivation of Love (as compared to Wisdom) is more likely to lead to his goal because Love IS his goal. That's how I see the exaggeration I referred to above. It feels right to me.

Resolution of the imbalance of these two--Love & Wisdom--seems to have to do with the death of the self, as they say, as is depicted in the Transformation of the Spirit Tarot card. That seems to be the fulcrum upon which they both can rest comfortably together: Wisdom sees the holographic, fictive nature of self and Love delights in an eternal absorption within Divinity. For my money, it's hard to tolerate the intensity of one of those without also having the other in similar proportion.


I know this is more than you asked for, but I hope it's of some use.

[Biu_Tze]

It was of much use, I feel like a sts being trapped in a sto soul trapped in a sts being trapped in a sto soul.. ect ect.. or vice versa, so any conversation about the paths makes me happy.
I feel inclined to start my own path, one where I gain knowledge of love and wisdom equally, I will call it service to both!

[Sacred Fool]

It was of much use, I feel like a sts being trapped in a sto soul trapped in a sts being trapped in a sto soul.. ect ect.. or vice versa, so any conversation about the paths makes me happy.

Funny you should say that. I used to feel something like that as well.

I got over it, moved on.

I feel inclined to start my own path, one where I gain knowledge of love and wisdom equally, I will call it service to both!

Funny you should say that. I'm thinking of starting a wee thread on that topic.

[spero]

I was reading some sessions earlier today and came across the following

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...87&ss=1#11

The fourth-density negative entity has made the choice available to each at third-density harvest. It is aware of the full array of possible methods of viewing the universe of the One Creator and it is convinced that the ignoring and non-use of the green-ray energy center will be the method most efficient in providing harvestability of fourth density. Its operations among those of third density which have not yet made this choice are designed to offer to each the opportunity to consider the self-serving polarity and its possible attractiveness.

It seems to me that although 4th density STS entities understand they will eventually have to switch polarities in the distant future (if things aren't all simultaneous ) it doesn't influence there current decision making since they know they aren't at 6th density just yet. To them, 6th density is probably millions if not billions of years in their future (i) and to be honest it just isn't even worth worrying about when you haven't even graduated 4th. It'd be like worrying about retirement when your a toddler.

Since it appears that 4th density entities can harvest themselves sooner than the length of their 4th density cycle (ii). If STS entities feel that the "non-use of the green-ray energy center will be the method most efficient in providing harvestability of fourth density" then that's where their bias comes from and why they don't want to switch over to STO even though they no longer have a veil.

(i) http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=89&ss=1#8 (How long ago Ra's 3rd density experience was)

(ii) http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...43&ss=1#13 (4th density cycle length and harvest)

[unity100]

i dont think it can be surely said that the late 3d negative inclined entity is aware of the polarity switching. but rather maybe with its past experience, it believes that the most efficient method is being negative.

[Lavazza]

Huh! I was just reading session 87 last night, and thought about posting a link here.. Funny coincidence! I'm also not sure that the negative entities are taking the 'put it all till later' approach. Maybe some are, but more than likely their conception is that it truly is the 'smartest' path back to the creator. It's even quite probable that their teachers have imperssed upon them the idea that positive entities must switch to negative, much as we believe the opposite. And, as I speculated early (and it's only speculation), likely it's that both are wrong and it's more of a blending.

Session 87 is really great though, I felt like Don was asking exactly the follow ups I would have to each question. His queries help a lot in understanding the negative path better.

L&L, E

[native]

I suggest it because I agree that from what we know now with our perspectives, it seems silly to continue polarizing negative if you must switch later. And so I suspect there is more to the story than we know at present.

In these discussions of positive and negative I think we sometimes forget to emphasize that the negative path is wholly necessary and natural. Infinity is to be explored in all directions, with each step something new to be learned.

We know that the stronger the polarization the greater the potential. So in an instant the negative entity can polarize equally positive.

[unity100]

In these discussions of positive and negative I think we sometimes forget to emphasize that the negative path is wholly necessary and natural. Infinity is to be explored in all directions, with each step something new to be learned.

except in that negative path exists only from end 3 to start 6th, with the part starting from early 5th being severed from the rest, entities almost totally ignoring anything outside themselves, even the 4th negative entities.

[native]

Yes..that entities experience being valuable in its contribution to the Creator.

[Crimson]

Yes..that entities experience being valuable in its contribution to the Creator.

True to an extent, and I suppose the amount of negativity will be reflected on the next octave. Which leaves the possibility of "fine tuning" previous octaves, which leaves the possibility of changing outcomes of octaves and the Creation/s in general.

[spero]

You guys are probably right about early STS entities not being totally aware of the switch even though they don’t have a veil. If they hear about it they probably think its STO propaganda

It seems like STS teachers would probably lie to their students and teach them things opposite to the truth STO entities would offer. This would give their students the impetus to pursue the STS path at least until they know better. It reminds me of one of my more favourite abstract quotes from the Ra material

The power of falsity is deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the One Infinite Creator….To embrace falsity, to know it, and to seek it, and to use it gives a power that is most great. This is the nature of the power of your visitor and may shed some light upon the power of one who seeks in order to serve others as well, for the missteps in the night are oh! so easy.