Random thoughts on immigration, STO purity, and positive/negative separation

[Ray711]

What's wrong with letting in just those who wish to integrate into society, and let those who don't wish to peacefully coexist with us to stay out?

Do you want endless disharmony like the Orion Group wants?

Favoring control out of a desire to increase harmony is also an Orion influenced mentality.

It is not my intent to state that this or that line of thinking is wrong. Just that a belief in building barriers is not a path of absolute purity in STO. The good thing is that we don't have to strive towards purity in order to be STO harvestable. So, each of us has to make whatever compromises we feel are right. I feel it's important to keep in mind that they are indeed compromises, though. And that the path of absolute purity, though completely foolish from a position of wisdom, might just be the very thing that inspires everyone and makes everything turn for the better.

[ScottK]

What's wrong with letting in just those who wish to integrate into society, and let those who don't wish to peacefully coexist with us to stay out?

Do you want endless disharmony like the Orion Group wants?

Favoring control out of a desire to increase harmony is also an Orion influenced mentality.

It is not my intent to state that this or that line of thinking is wrong. Just that a belief in building barriers is not a path of absolute purity in STO. The good thing is that we don't have to strive towards purity in order to be STO harvestable. So, each of us has to make whatever compromises we feel are right. I feel it's important to keep in mind that they are indeed compromises, though. And that the path of absolute purity, though completely foolish from a position of wisdom, might just be the very thing that inspires everyone and makes everything turn for the better.

And now we come full circle back to the paradox

25.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

[kristina]

So, if you have a group of serial pedophiles who all want to go into an elementary school, do you let them?

My suggestion is simply that every action that we do sends a message to the world. If we think that it's justified being violent in order to stop entities that are prone to violence, we're sending to the world the message that violence is indeed the way to solve problems. This is not to say that violence is something to always avoid. You must do what you feel and think you have to do in each and every situation.

Violence?  I'm not promoting violence.  I'm promoting shielding from darkness.  The only reason for violence is if you are forced into it.  Barriers are a really good thing in 3d, because they are not violent and prevent violence.

Do you know how those of 4th density could violate the free will of a 3rd density entity? Explain that please. I would like to see in what direction you go to.

[kristina]

To me, the basic existence of borders and countries owned and ruled by governments is quite negative to begin with, nobody actually owns anything on this Earth, it belongs to itself, to the creator, to all.

Comparing 3rd to 4th density is quite confusing too, we cannot comprehend.

So if the notion of separating(in 3rd density) groups of people by aggressive bordering and history of war is negative in nature, then any other idea related to that will just seem less/more negative, so I think.

You may have a very valid point there. Borders should be used with discernment and utmost caution that the liberties of the ones seeking refuge for really good reason are carefully considered.
I would like to point out that the Earth has a quaratine.

[kristina]

Violence?  I'm not promoting violence.  I'm promoting shielding from darkness.  The only reason for violence is if you are forced into it.  Barriers are a really good thing in 3d, because they are not violent and prevent violence.

Barriers are not without sacrifice either, though. They create separation between peoples and put us further away from Oneness.

EDIT: Beaten.

No. They "can" create separation.

[Ray711]

And now we come full circle back to the paradox

Yup. That's why the path of purity is foolish. You might end up being of no consequence, indeed. You might also end up being Christ consciousness itself, and the greatest possible source of inspiration to the world.

It's a gamble. You decide whether to run with it or not.

Do you know how those of 4th density could violate the free will of a 3rd density entity? Explain that please. I would like to see in what direction you go to.

I believe you meant to quote me.

No idea. Abduction, perhaps? Getting into too specific and transient material?

I would like to point out that the Earth has a quaratine.

Good point. I often wonder whether souls have the freedom to choose other planets to incarnate into. TLOO never explicitly clears this up, but I believe it heavily implies that souls are usually tied to their planet of origin, unless they become wanderers or any such special circumstances.

[ada]

I believe they are tied, perhaps sometimes traveling in groups. They should have free will to go anywhere they desire. Like when a planet reaches a point some no longer able to continue their lessons and have to move elsewhere, so it's probably more common to travel. For wanderers though there is the mission part, allowing them to pass the quatrantine and incarnate to fulfill a mission, making them more dedicated to staying. Earth is a mix of many many who came from all over creation.

The quarantine is to protect and allow free will, the making of one's own choice.
Earth is such a mix of polarity that there's almost no need of outside negative influence, there's enough negativity already going around to balance and allow equal oppurtunity.

[Infinite]

I finished the movie "The Life is Beautiful" (about nazi concentration camps) right now. Dude, I'm perceiving even in this forum the far-right's thought increasing. I'm scared, the mankind is beginning to see again the different people as enemy, as something to be negate, destroyed. I'll just send love to everyone because the fascism awakened.

[AnthroHeart]

I'm not fascist.

[ada]

Mostly because we are afraid of something, like being negative or evil, so we may despise anything to do with that, things we don't understand that confuse us, turning our focus into hate/separation. Try and shift your focus into the wellness outside the veil, that we truly are all just energy, and that nothing matters(matter as material). It's natural to humans I believe, and healing/balance is always available, hold faith that your light and flicker of flame helps others too. Honesty and transparency is a way to heal fears too. Don't know what I even intended to say here, heh.

[unity100]

On the topic of reaching absolute purity in STO, this following quote from Ra is relevant:

25.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

This is worrisome to me, because it implies that simply being loving is not enough to deter negativity, which is precisely the very mindset of the many people here in 3d who scoff at the notion that unconditional love will save the world. Perhaps it's different because 3d is more of an illusion, and the stakes are higher in the battle described by Ra. I'm unsure as to what to think about this, but I think it'd be interesting to open that debate.

You misused the quote. It does not say what you think it says.

The immigrants which are going here and there in this world are not negative 4d+, or even 3d entities. They are not even negative. They are 3d people.

Naturally, they are not offering an enslavement philosophy, or any kind of negative philosophy to the countries which they are immigrating to. Actually, they dont even have a philosophy since they are a random collection of people of radically differing thoughts, religions and persuasions. There isnt even a collective consciousness.

Therefore that quote has no relevance to this subject.

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A more appropriate quote is the one about 'war and rumors of war', pertaining to societal upheaval or conflict.

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=33#15

It has nothing to do with negative or positive nature of immigration as you will see. It has to do with reactions to a societal upheaval or conflict, and the choices can be positive or negative.

Still, Creation itself seems to be built on concepts of, shall we say, strict immigration control. The well of 4th density positive can't be poisoned with the negativity of those not sufficiently polarized STO, or so seems to be the idea.

That is also incorrect. Any entity within any polarization is free to go anywhere else within the polarity. Actually, a sufficiently balanced entity has no limits on where to go, as we are told.

And the societal divisions and upheaval within the 3d entities of a 3d planet cannot be applied to larger 3d as density or higher densities. There is density difference and comparison becomes ridiculous: It would be like saying '1d cannot immigrate into my country' -> Of course they cant. they are in a totally different state of being in which they cant even move themselves.

That's stretching and mixing the concepts too far.

Perhaps the important aspect of it is that polarity is relatively transient, and definitely mutable. Someone may not be "good enough" for 4th density positive at one particular point in time, but with enough time and work, anyone and everyone can potentially get there, if they so wish.

Aside from the earlier point, this also is inapplicable: It proposes that the countries/societies which are receiving immigration are 'positive'. And naturally implies that the immigrants are 'negative' - again.

That is generally incorrect.

In our experiential nexus, the immigration-receiving countries are generally negatively formatted social constructs, which not only have these traits within their own societal organization, but also they have a history of forcibly imposing this negativity upon other regions to exploit them to prosper and profit themselves.

On top of that there is a damning quote which tells us that nonpositive, negative leaning or new 3d entities would choose incarnations in which they would be more comfortable, as opposed to positive entities and wanderers going where the trouble is.

So, contrary to what many at times seem to think, there is greater chance of finding 4d positive entities among the people in regions where there are suffering, war, or refugees. And a higher chance of finding new 3d entities or nonpositive/negative ones in comfortable regions of the world.

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Therefore the framing of immigrants or refugees as 'negative' influences and the immigrant receiving countries as 'positive' societies is a patently false approach.

[Merrick]

The majority of world leaders calling for heavy immigration control are STS-oriented individuals, or are non-polarized individuals being led by STS propaganda. The continued references by some in this thread to pedophiles being allowed in schools, coupled with comments about not letting in people who won’t conform to a country’s existing culture, creates a sickening association between immigrants and pedophiles that is disingenuous and manipulative.

[Ray711]

unity100, I feel that your arguments and reasoning are similar to the ones that others have expressed. If you're interested, I've given my responses to those, mostly in page 1, I believe.

[kristina]

The majority of world leaders calling for heavy immigration control are STS-oriented individuals, or are non-polarized individuals being led by STS propaganda. The continued references by some in this thread to pedophiles being allowed in schools, coupled with comments about not letting in people who won’t conform to a country’s existing culture, creates a sickening association between immigrants and pedophiles that is disingenuous and manipulative.

No. That is NOT how it was suggested. Not at all. Please reread the comments.
The suggestion WAS do you allow an entity into your space that plans to do harm or do you defend your peace? Not that Pedophiles are immigrants and immigrants are pedos. That was not how it was presented. Not even close. No one in this forum would ever suggest such a thing.


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25.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

[unity100]

The suggestion WAS do you allow an entity into your space that plans to do harm or do you defend your peace?

Immigrants do not want to harm anyone's space. They are immigrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_milit..._committed

Above is the list of those who sought to do, and did harm to others. The entire thing was arranged by US.

And in the case of Mexico.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/02/09/news/ec...index.html

NAFTA was specifically designed to bankrupt Mexican farmers by preventing their subsidization by Mexican state while subsidizing US farmers by the hand of US state. Those people are now immigrants on the border.

The list of countries who had gone through US backed right wing dictatorships which have clamped people down into poverty for the benefit of US corporate profit is too large to fit here.

........

An ironical and contradictory situation comes up at this point: The very people who voted and backed the establishment who have ruined other countries and killed people for corporate profit, are now complaining about immigration from other countries.

And almost exclusively, those countries come up to be Anglosphere countries. Along with alt-right in some others who are openly funded and backed from US.

What goes around, comes around.

[Merrick]

The majority of world leaders calling for heavy immigration control are STS-oriented individuals, or are non-polarized individuals being led by STS propaganda. The continued references by some in this thread to pedophiles being allowed in schools, coupled with comments about not letting in people who won’t conform to a country’s existing culture, creates a sickening association between immigrants and pedophiles that is disingenuous and manipulative.

No. That is NOT how it was suggested. Not at all. Please reread the comments.
The suggestion WAS do you allow an entity into your space that plans to do harm or do you defend your peace? Not that Pedophiles are immigrants and immigrants are pedos. That was not how it was presented. Not even close. No one in this forum would ever suggest such a thing.


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25.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

It sure seemed to me that ScottK was trying to draw a connection.

[Diana]

So, contrary to what many at times seem to think, there is greater chance of finding 4d positive entities among the people in regions where there are suffering, war, or refugees. And a higher chance of finding new 3d entities or nonpositive/negative ones in comfortable regions of the world.

There is also the idea that new 3D entities who incarnate here, incarnate into familiar, not comfortable, circumstances—namely ones of predator/prey, and based on survival. Therefore they definitely would be in areas of strife.

[Diana]

This is worrisome to me, because it implies that simply being loving is not enough to deter negativity, which is precisely the very mindset of the many people here in 3d who scoff at the notion that unconditional love will save the world. Perhaps it's different because 3d is more of an illusion, and the stakes are higher in the battle described by Ra. I'm unsure as to what to think about this, but I think it'd be interesting to open that debate.

I think the problem derives from a severe lack of understanding of "unconditional love." Being "loving" does not necessarily have anything to do with unconditional love.

Unconditional love must include everything or it's conditional. "Wisdom" must balance that or there is no action, nothing of movement. 

I don't think it's a matter of opening all doors (which can easily be martyrdom, which is separation because others are put above self), but a matter of detachment from fears, prejudices, and self-interestedness. We need practical solutions to border issues and building a wall is not one of them. In building a wall, for example, were animal migratory routes considered (just as building damns deprives flora and fauna of water)? The underlying problem is one of lack of respect for all life.

In detaching from human-centric concerns, further defined by tribal (race, country, family) concerns, collapsing to self-interest, and embracing a wider more inclusive respect for all life, we will move toward more "humane" behavior to immigrants.

It may be approached as one issue, but as long as we continue to compartmentalize, connectedness will continue to allude us. 

[unity100]

So, contrary to what many at times seem to think, there is greater chance of finding 4d positive entities among the people in regions where there are suffering, war, or refugees. And a higher chance of finding new 3d entities or nonpositive/negative ones in comfortable regions of the world.

There is also the idea that new 3D entities who incarnate here, incarnate into familiar, not comfortable, circumstances—namely ones of predator/prey, and based on survival. Therefore they definitely would be in areas of strife.

Thats a scientifically incorrect statement.

Majority of near 3d animal groups on the planet are positively oriented, collaborating creatures. Actually one would be hard pressed to find a an animal group which exhibits those behaviors in between each other instead of cooperating. From Elephants to Dolphins, all cooperate among themselves to a noticeable order among the animal realm.

No negative entity would prefer an area of strife where its well being would be under risk. The preference would be towards a safe place where it would be able to project power onto others. Like invading other countries from the safe, distant one.

..........

What wisdom dictates in such cases would be to stop supporting sociopaths which raped and plundered other countries, therefore creating immigrant situations

not building a wall to keep them out and starving while the sociopaths in one's own country still profit from the environment which they were allowed to create.

[kristina]

The suggestion WAS do you allow an entity into your space that plans to do harm or do you defend your peace?

Immigrants do not want to harm anyone's space. They are immigrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_milit..._committed

Above is the list of those who sought to do, and did harm to others. The entire thing was arranged by US.

And in the case of Mexico.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/02/09/news/ec...index.html

NAFTA was specifically designed to bankrupt Mexican farmers by preventing their subsidization by Mexican state while subsidizing US farmers by the hand of US state. Those people are now immigrants on the border.

The list of countries who had gone through US backed right wing dictatorships which have clamped people down into poverty for the benefit of US corporate profit is too large to fit here.

........

An ironical and contradictory situation comes up at this point: The very people who voted and backed the establishment who have ruined other countries and killed people for corporate profit, are now complaining about immigration from other countries.

And almost exclusively, those countries come up to be Anglosphere countries. Along with alt-right in some others who are openly funded and backed from US.

What goes around, comes around.

I'm not talking about immigrants. We are immigrants. Geez.

[kristina]

The thread that is about immigration that has nothing to do with immigration as many have said in the beginning, that is turning into an immigration thread.

Let me make my point clear...I do not think immigrants are pedos.
The last time I looked I was an immigrant and I am not a pedo.
I also know that a fellow seeker, a brother of ours, DID NOT call immigrants pedos. If you think that because that is the context in which you read his comment, I find that agregious. I don't think there is a single member here that would say that a human being that is seeking refuge is a pedo. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

[Diana]

Majority of near 3d animal groups on the planet are positively oriented, collaborating creatures. Actually one would be hard pressed to find a an animal group which exhibits those behaviors in between each other instead of cooperating. From Elephants to Dolphins, all cooperate among themselves to a noticeable order among the animal realm.

That makes sense.

[Merrick]

The thread that is about immigration that has nothing to do with immigration as many have said in the beginning, that is turning into an immigration thread.

Let me make my point clear...I do not think immigrants are pedos.
The last time I looked I was an immigrant and I am not a pedo.
I also know that a fellow seeker, a brother of ours, DID NOT call immigrants pedos. If you think that because that is the context in which you read his comment, I find that agregious. I don't think there is a single member here that would say that a human being that is seeking refuge is a pedo. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

I don’t mean to offend you, I just know Scott’s stances on things from the Trump thread. In that thread, he said that 30-80% of the children being brought across the southern border in the US are for the purpose of sex slave trafficking, and argued that the child separation policy is there to protect these kids from traffickers and pedophiles.

[unity100]

I'm not talking about immigrants. We are immigrants. Geez.

You may not be talking about immigrants, however the thread seems to be...

[ScottK]

I don’t mean to offend you, I just know Scott’s stances on things from the Trump thread. In that thread, he said that 30-80% of the children being brought across the southern border in the US are for the purpose of sex slave trafficking, and argued that the child separation policy is there to protect these kids from traffickers and pedophiles.

This thread is about Ra 25.6 and the interplay between STO and STS, and I would argue that shielding between STO and STS is a good thing in 3d.  And that was related back to the wall.  I think that Ra question is about the best Ra question out there related STS and STO and that is my interest in this thread. The pedophile in elementary school reference was specifically about shielding/separating one group of infinitely valuable souls who deserve our unconditional love from another group of infinitely valuable souls who deserve our unconditional love for pretty obvious reasons.

That said, my guess is around 30% of children illegally coming over the Mexican border are being trafficked for sex/satanic rituals.  It is a HUGE problem along with all the illegal drugs/MS-13/human trafficking illegally coming over the border.  It's a huge money making system for the mexican crime cartels.

https://cis.org/Arthur/MS13-and-Sex-Trafficking

https://cis.org/Arthur?type=blog

Given the policies of the democrats and certain republicans, you'd almost think those politicians were being paid by the mexican crime cartels with some of that money, but you'd have to be a crazy wild-eyed conspiracy theorist to believe the obvious.  The Orion Group does love to feed on human suffering though.

[Infinite]

What wisdom dictates in such cases would be to stop supporting sociopaths which raped and plundered other countries, therefore creating immigrant situations

not building a wall to keep them out and starving while the sociopaths in one's own country still profit from the environment which they were allowed to create.

Perfect, so, so obvious...

[Minyatur]

I think we can all agree that a completely pure STO entity would be of the mentality of complete open boarders for everyone (not just as related to country, but in regards to the entity's own house as well). There are a lot of implications for that here in 3rd density, and lots of arguments to make on both sides of the discussion as to the viability of this. However, I want to put this topic in relation to the notion that the two separate paths (STS and STO) in higher densities are just that; separate. The Confederation has gone on record saying that the two polarities "don't work well together". The implications of this in regard to the subject of immigration are big, if not downright hypocritical, because a basic motivation in the desire for strict immigration control (aside from downright xenophobic views) is the desire to keep potential individuals of an STS-like mentality away from that which one perceives as belonging to the self (of course, this viewpoint can be questioned on the grounds that one's own country also has STS individuals).

Still, Creation itself seems to be built on concepts of, shall we say, strict immigration control. The well of 4th density positive can't be poisoned with the negativity of those not sufficiently polarized STO, or so seems to be the idea.

Perhaps the important aspect of it is that polarity is relatively transient, and definitely mutable. Someone may not be "good enough" for 4th density positive at one particular point in time, but with enough time and work, anyone and everyone can potentially get there, if they so wish. This is in direct contrast with some far-right views of completely closing access into one's country to all people of any given race, nationality or religion.

On the topic of reaching absolute purity in STO, this following quote from Ra is relevant:

25.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

This is worrisome to me, because it implies that simply being loving is not enough to deter negativity, which is precisely the very mindset of the many people here in 3d who scoff at the notion that unconditional love will save the world. Perhaps it's different because 3d is more of an illusion, and the stakes are higher in the battle described by Ra. I'm unsure as to what to think about this, but I think it'd be interesting to open that debate.

I think pure STO is like the Logos. It is all the things in all their colors selflessly. It is the small birds that sing and the hawks that prey on them, it is the humans that make peace and also the ones that murder another. It is in balance in accepting to allow what the Creator is to express, because that is the purpose of this world, to give space to what the Creator is to be expressed and what the Creator is is that which can be both positive and negative.

When STO is not pure, there are distortions which makes it not pure and part of the balancing process is to accept and express these distortions. What you describe as the confederation doing is exactly this, they have to act upon that they are not pure STO and work with their own distortions. In pure STO there is only pure acceptance, there is no notion of deterring negativity. I would even venture to say that from a time/space perspective, it is impossible even if you try and always creates an imbalance in which you have a lesson of acceptance. This lesson becomes a thematic until you learn to release the need of it. Your reality is always already the answer as it reflects what you are, that is why the lessons are always about acceptance. Any way you deal with another shows how you deal with your own self.

A bit like Infinite Unity said, there is a balance to Unity of which the Creator is the core of it. Amidst all events, there is always One seeing One. What differs an entity from another entity as two expressions of this One is only opportunity and opportunity is an infinite principle into which all things exist. You are truly Infinity.

Anyhow, the role of the 3D entity is not to be without distortions but to work with its distortions. Nothing will be overcome and mankind will distill itself.

[ScottK]

I would argue that in 3d, the more STO one is and the more lives that entity touches and gains "STO power", that STS is attracted to it more.

Take the example of Jesus. The more positive work Jesus did, the more he attracted the attention of those who were in power which led ultimately to his crucifixion. I'm sure the elite of that time would have tried to get him to "play ball" initially, so to speak, and transmute his message back into one of control for those in power. Then they would have tried to limit him, because it would have been undesirable to kill him right away given the following he had in order for the elite to maintain appearances. But ultimately, they had to take him out.

I can only imagine how completely fearless and courageous Jesus would have been in pursuit of serving others. And that was the downfall of his physical incarnation in 3d since he "refused to accept what the elite offered" --> return to 25.6.. In order to maintain his incarnation, he would have needed to be far more defensive which is the "friction" Ra talks about, but that was obviously not his path.

And suppose Jesus had something to shield him from the negative elite. How much more positive work could he have done? Could he have completely changed the world?

[ada]

I think I lost track of the discussion, but by labeling indoviduals and separating them by groups, even though some act in negative ways as of that moment, you bound them to suffering and offer no opportunity of teaching and forgiveness. I think that as the incarnating souls on earth decided to take this journey, no matter how positive they were, they/we knew that at some time we will act in negative expersions due to being together in the same sphere undergoing a transformation in fire. Even jesus acted in a negative manner and hurt a fellow other-self, and then again he also acted in a positive light. To put what I want to say in other words, for all we know we've all been quite negative in past incarnations.. we are each other as we are us, to unincarnate beings there is no difference between personalities. The idea then is to teach those who are in pain/cause others pain and not abandon them, this is different in 3rd density than in 4th because we are surrounded by mystery and nothing is truly known.

[flofrog]

Excellent, ada.