Ra and Hidden Hand (Similarity?)

[Jocie]

Lucifer from Ra material:


77.17 Questioner: Now, would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, there was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function only of this positive polarization evolving from our original creation of sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

Hidden Hand:  Lucifer:
Our creator is the one you refer to as Lucifer, "the Light Bearer" and "Morning Star". Our creator is not "the Devil", as he has been portrayed in some religious texts. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the sixth density.

We (our bloodline families), as a group soul or social memory complex (Lucifer), were on the verge of seventh density ascension. At this level, before harvest comes, we have the choice to progress higher, or to return to help others of lower densities with their evolution by passing down our knowledge and wisdom to those that call upon us for assistance with their own free will. Now at this time, having made our decision to stay and help our galactic brothers and sisters in the One, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the guardians of this galaxy.

Yahweh had not handed down his own free will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon "his" planet, as was his right as planetary Logos. As a result, he was having very little evolutionary progress therein. In the absence of free will, there can be no polarity, and therefore, nothing to "choose" between. As is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely "paradise", yet the beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the third density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey home to the One.

So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "fell", or descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a third density manifestation of ourself. Yahweh had agreed to our coming. In fact, it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "catalyst" of change to enter into his creation.


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Ra:  IN TRUTH THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG.  THERE IS NO POLARITY, for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.


Hidden Hand:
THERE IS NO "WRONG" OR "RIGHT" seen from a higher density, but there are still consequences for every action. Such is the law of karmic effect.

From Ra, focusing on "PLANETARY GAME."
Ra: I am Ra. I am desirous of being in nonviolation of the free will distortion. To name those involved in the future of your space/time is to infringe; thus, we withhold this information. We request your contemplation of the fruits of the actions of those entities whom you may observe enjoying the distortion towards power. In this way you may discern for yourself this information. We shall not interfere with the, shall we say, PLANETARY GAME. It is not central to the harvest.

From Hidden Hand, focusing on "GAME":
Remember, we are all just acting out a GRAND OLD GAME game here where we agree to forget who we really are, that in the remembering we may find each other again and know that we are One, and that all of life is One.

Remember that ultimately, this is a GAME that we are all playing here. We are actors playing on the stage of life. This world is all illusion or thought-form. No one really dies, and no one is really hurt. In between incarnations, you know this very well. But the rules of the GAME ensure that when you incarnate, you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all "real" whilst you are playing the GAME OF LIFE. Forgetting is an essential prerequisite for you to make choices that help you to grow. Otherwise, the game would be too easy.

From Hidden Hand, focusing on the words "SHALL WE SAY."

In contrast, the majority of humans on the earth, who could be considered SHALL WE SAY "lukewarm", will experience a period of (what will feel ecstatic) zero-point time. These people will for a period feel totally at one with the Creator, giving them an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who they really are, before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends. Then they will be transported to another third density planet (a kind of Earth replica), to continue working upon themselves and learning that life here is all about making choices.

From Ra, focusing on the words "SHALL WE SAY."

11.19 Questioner: Can you name any of the recipients of the crusaders’— that is, any names that may be known on the planet today?

Ra: I am Ra. I am desirous of being in nonviolation of the free will distortion. To name those involved in the future of your space/time is to infringe; thus, we withhold this information. We request your contemplation of the fruits of the actions of those entities whom you may observe enjoying the distortion towards power. In this way you may discern for yourself this information. We shall not interfere with the, shall we say, planetary game. It is not central to the harvest.

1.1 Questioner: It seems members of the Confederation have a specific purpose. Is this true with you, and if so, what is your purpose?

Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples. We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficacious. However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

Ra: I am Ra. The identity of the vibration Ra is our identity. We as a group, or what you would call a social memory complex, made contact with a race of your planetary kind which you call Egyptians. Others from our density made contact at the same time in South America, and the so-called “lost cities” were their attempts to contribute to the Law of One.

We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any.

When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in. And other myths, shall we say, other understandings having more to do with polarity and the things of your vibrational complex, again took over in that particular society complex.

3.13 Questioner: What is everlasting rock?

Ra: I am Ra. If you can understand the concept of thought-forms you will realize that the thought-form is more regular in its distortion than the energy fields created by the materials in the rock which has been created through thought-form from thought to finite energy and beingness in your, shall we say, distorted reflection of the level of the thought-form.

3.16 Questioner: Does the shape of the pyramid itself— is that a key function in the initiation process?

Ra: This is a large question. We feel that we shall begin and ask you to re-evaluate and ask further at a later session, this somewhat, shall we say, informative point.

Ra: I am Ra. As we began the last session question, you have already recorded in your individual memory complex the first use of the shape having to do with the body complex initiation. The initiation of spirit was a more carefully designed type of initiation as regards the time/space ratios about which the entity to be initiated found itself.

If you will picture with me the side of the so-called pyramid shape and mentally imagine this triangle cut into four equal triangles, you will find the intersection of the triangle which is at the first level on each of the four sides forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal. The middle of this plane is the appropriate place for the intersection of the energies streaming from the infinite dimensions and the mind/body/spirit complexes of various interwoven energy fields. Thus it was designed that the one to be initiated would, by mind, be able to perceive and then channel this, shall we say, gateway to intelligent infinity. This, then, was the second point of designing this specific shape.

[Jocie]

According to the Hidden Hand material, they/it do/does not distinguish the Confederate Yah and the Orion Yah when speaking of Yahweh.

[Jocie]

Both Ra and Hidden Hand refer to the "One Infinite Creator" and the spiral of the Logos.

Hidden Hand: We are not directly created by the One Infinite Creator, but rather by our own Logos, sub-Logos, sub-sub-Logos and so on. So from that perspective, whilst we are all essentially made up of the same "stuff" of creation, initiated by the One Infinite Creator, our direct personal creators are different portions or sub-Logos of the One.

[Jocie]

Ra and Hidden Hand: Mention of Love/Light, service to self, service to others

Your creator, the one who has been called "Yahweh", is not "God" inasmuch as your Bible refers to him as being the one true God. He is "a" creator (or sub-sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not even a galactic level Logos, but rather, is the planetary Logos for this one planet. There are other and higher "gods" than him. Yet ultimately, all are a part of the One. And either consciously or unconsciously, all are exercising their free will to create.

Our creator is the one you refer to as Lucifer, "the Light Bearer" and "Morning Star". Our creator is not "the Devil", as he has been portrayed in some religious texts. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the sixth density.

We (our bloodline families), as a group soul or social memory complex (Lucifer), were on the verge of seventh density ascension. At this level, before harvest comes, we have the choice to progress higher, or to return to help others of lower densities with their evolution by passing down our knowledge and wisdom to those that call upon us for assistance with their own free will. Now at this time, having made our decision to stay and help our galactic brothers and sisters in the One, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the guardians of this galaxy.

Yahweh had not handed down his own free will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon "his" planet, as was his right as planetary Logos. As a result, he was having very little evolutionary progress therein. In the absence of free will, there can be no polarity, and therefore, nothing to "choose" between. As is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely "paradise", yet the beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the third density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey home to the One.

So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "fell", or descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a third density manifestation of ourself. Yahweh had agreed to our coming. In fact, it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "catalyst" of change to enter into his creation.

Without polarity (derived from free will), there is only the unity of love and light, and no choice to experience "other than" that. So we were to be the catalyst for change in order to provide that choice, thus bringing polarity. Yahweh agreed that we would introduce the concept of free will to Earth's inhabitants by offering them an initial choice as to whether they wanted it or not. Hence, "The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" (or more accurately, the knowledge of polarity – of positive and negative).

Hidden Hand:
Yahweh then takes his inhabitants to a new "garden". He tells them they can do anything they like except eating from the Tree of Knowledge, thus creating in them the desire to do the one thing they are told they cannot. Hence, a "choice". We provide the catalyst by telling them the benefits of attaining knowledge. They then choose to eat from the tree, and the rest is history.

Yahweh thought that his "children" would still choose to obey him. When he discovered they did not, he became angry. As is described in his scriptures, he is a jealous God. He did not like it that his children had chosen to disobey him and follow our advice. Yet our group soul was already committed to being here for a predefined set of cycles to help provide the catalyst for human evolution, namely by offering you the negative option, or that which you choose to call "evil".

Let's be clear about one thing though. All of this (physical life/incarnation) is a very intricate and skillfully designed game, whereby the One Infinite Creator plays the game of forgetting who it is, so that it can learn to remember, and in doing so, experience and know itself as creator, all the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is.

Off stage and between lives as incarnated human beings (zero-point time/antimatter universe), we – all of us and all of you as souls – are great friends, brothers and sisters in the One. Between lives we all have a good laugh about the parts we have performed in the "play" and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out. You are divine souls. You are sparks or seeds of the One Infinite Creator. You are life itself, remembering and learning who you really are. We came here to help you to do this.

The planet will complete its ascension to the fourth density, the vibrational density of love. During this ascension, there will be a three-way split for those souls inhabiting Earth. Those of the predominantly negative polarity will accompany us as we graduate through the negative (or service to self) harvest.

We (Lucifer) will create a new fourth density Earth, based on the negative service to self polarity, where we must work off our own part of the negative karmic effect incurred from all the negativity created on this planet. Once we have done so, we will be released to once again assume our place as sixth density guardians and teachers of wisdom throughout the galaxy.

Those of the predominantly positive polarity (love and light) will ascend to a beautiful new fourth density Earth. There they will begin to work upon their learning and demonstrating of love and compassion. It will be a very beautiful and "Golden" Age. The fourth density begins to open souls up to their true powers as unique individualized aspects of the One Infinite Creator. These individuals will perform works and wonders of the like that the one you call Jesus promised they would do, "and even greater things than these". It will be a very magical time for those who ascend.

In contrast, the majority of humans on the earth, who could be considered shall we say "lukewarm", will experience a period of (what will feel ecstatic) zero-point time. These people will for a period feel totally at one with the Creator, giving them an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who they really are, before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends. Then they will be transported to another third density planet (a kind of Earth replica), to continue working upon themselves and learning that life here is all about making choices.

These souls will remain "quarantined", incarnating in third density matter until the time of the next harvest; in which time they will need to have proved that they have learned how to be more positive beings, focused more upon being of service to others, rather than seeking only to serve themselves.

We (Lucifer) have to be self-service centered to an extreme degree in order to fulfill our mission and become negatively harvested. This is why we work so hard to be as negatively polarized as we possibly can be. If we do not make a high enough percentage, we will miss out and will end up with the majority "lukewarm" percentage that have to go through another cycle in third density.

By attaining a negative harvest, we can still "graduate" to fourth density, only it will be a negative polarity planet. Not a great place to be. But, as I've stated previously, we (as a group soul) have incurred the natural karmic restitution process that we must work off for all the negativity we have caused upon this planet. We will do this for a cycle in our new fourth density world, and then we will be freed to once again be the glorious being of light that we truly are. We need a negative harvest, so that we can create our fourth density Earth and clear our karmic record.

Understand that we HAVE to be negative. That's what we were sent here to be. It is our contract, which has always been to help you by providing the catalyst of free will and choice. Being negative is very hard for us, not on a physical level (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we're programmed that way), but on a spiritual level. We surpassed the lowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are light, and we are love. It is a very hard thing for us to do spiritually, to create all this negativity, but we do it because we love you. And ultimately it is also for your highest good.

Remember, we are all just acting out a grand old game here where we agree to forget who we really are, that in the remembering we may find each other again and know that we are One, and that all of life is One.

When you remember who you are and you know it deep within the core of your being, you will know and recognize your invisible connection to All That Is. And in so doing, joy, thanksgiving, and service will be the natural outpouring result from your grateful heart. When you work upon yourself and learn to know the creator within you, being of service to others will be natural for you.

[Jocie]

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[Jocie]

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/archive/...-6108.html

[Infinite]

There are many distortions in HH informations in comparison with LOO.

[Minyatur]

I know many members (including myself) who found the Ra material through HH.

Can't say I've felt drawn back to it afterwards tho.

[GentleReckoning]

The game is simply that socially accepted 'rights' are positive. Progression beyond that creates a battle where the beliefs more concurrent with the Law of One are rejected by the social memory complex (as those that resonate with a specific density crystallize all beliefs so as to experience those beliefs) until someone with a strong enough will or one that is 'negative enough' ushers them in via power or force.

So society always crystallizes and then rots. Those that see the rot and try to remove it are rejected by the social memory complex. When they gather enough power (or the rot becomes evident to the extent that sleepers can see it), then they are able to positively affect the group. It is not that they are stupid, but simply that soul is infinitely greedy for suffering as it gathers data for further data harvesting. There is little learned in paradise as those that are not forced in any way to work tend not to work. Laziness is endemic.

So there is this constant gravity where unity is achieved by the group on a subconscious level and then enjoyed as much as possible until forced to change via an outside force. This is obviously due to the fact that all are all densities, and the expression of first density by humans rarely benefits them.

[Jocie]

I appreciate all of you who have replied so far. HH uses words found in the Ra material, which that is what has caught my attention. No where else, in all my studies, have I found "Source," for instance," referred to as "One Infinite Creator," the mentioning of the "Logos, the concept of the spiraling "Logi" effect into their own creator status, reference to the importance of the sun. (I became familiar with Ra material before being introduced to HH. I have two friends, who we three make up a study group; and one of my friends is the one who first found the Ra material and later the HH material.)

[Infinite Unity]

Those who seek together are far more powerful, and able to seek together. However be aware that in our greatest strengths, lay are greatest weaknesses.

Any material is a stepping stone, until you find your own wings to fly on. Does what inspire become chains?

[Xatu]

Having been introduced to the material from the Hidden Hand poster, then finding the LOO. I too have not felt drawn back to it it as @Elros has said.

The story that the post relays basically seems like an Orion recruitment letter, or rather, an attempt at being 100% honest with the sort of manipulation that is going on. Lieing is said to build Karma and being honest its diffuser, i dont know if the LOO material says this, but I am certain it says forgiveness is necessary in this diffusion.

Entities like this offers certain unlucky individuals tech, riches, fame, glory, and knowledge. This is in exchange for their servitude, and in helping them to polarize to their cause, thus gaining more numbers.

I believe whatever this group soul is, to be of affiliation to the Orion, and likely disclosing information psychically to some of these people who have something to gain from the information. These people are what we would call "the illuminati" or often referred to as "the powers that be". Genetic manipulation and other similar tech is likely used on this ruling class as well.

The argument HH makes is that, in their intense polarization and slavery based subjugation of us all, is to our benefit, giving us justification to seek further knowledge and provide something to work against. In actuality these intense systems of brainwashing etc drastically reduce our vibration overall, giving us extremely short lives, missing out on a sort of deeper understanding that may come from living the "proper" amount of 1000~ years. Thus, these manipulations hinder our development rather than help it. And having such a tortuous existence could lead to fear based isolation and self centered tendencies ingrained from a young age, from this external will or Magick being impressed upon us, thus leading to polarization to the STS path.

This is why the quarantine is so important, because they would very much love to not work from the shadows, however they have to and rarely can they slip through it.

[Sprout]

Having been introduced to the material from the Hidden Hand poster, then finding the LOO.  I too have not felt drawn back to it it as @Elros has said.  

The story that the post relays basically seems like an Orion recruitment letter, or rather, an attempt at being 100% honest with the sort of manipulation that is going on.  Lieing is said to build Karma and being honest its diffuser, i dont know if the LOO material says this, but I am certain it says forgiveness is necessary in this diffusion.

Entities like this offers certain unlucky individuals tech, riches, fame, glory, and knowledge.  This is in exchange for their servitude, and in helping them to polarize to their cause, thus gaining more numbers.  

I believe whatever this group soul is, to be of affiliation to the Orion, and likely disclosing information psychically to some of these people who have something to gain from the information.  These people are what we would call "the illuminati" or often referred to as "the powers that be".  Genetic manipulation and other similar tech is likely used on this ruling class as well.  

The argument HH makes is that, in their intense polarization and slavery based subjugation of us all, is to our benefit, giving us justification to seek further knowledge and provide something to work against.  In actuality these intense systems of brainwashing etc drastically reduce our vibration overall, giving us extremely short lives, missing out on a sort of deeper understanding that may come from living the "proper" amount of 1000~ years.  Thus, these manipulations hinder our development rather than help it.  And having such a tortuous existence could lead to fear based isolation and self centered tendencies ingrained from a young age, from this external will or Magick being impressed upon us, thus leading to polarization to the STS path.

This is why the quarantine is so important, because they would very much love to not work from the shadows, however they have to and rarely can they slip through it.

20.13 Questioner: Did the average life span grow longer or shorter as we progress on into third-density experience?

Ra: I am Ra. There is a particular use for this span of life in this density and, given the harmonious development of the learning/teachings of this density, the life span of the physical complex would remain the same throughout the cycle. However, your particular planetary sphere developed vibrations by the second major cycle which shortened the life span dramatically.

20.16 Questioner: Can you tell me the reason for this shortening of life span?

Ra: I am Ra. The causes of this shortening are always an ineuphonious or inharmonious relational vibration between other-selves. In the first cycle this was not severe, but due to the dispersion of peoples and the growing feeling complex/distortions towards separateness from other-selves.

[rva_jeremy]

I think the HH material is interesting and I'm open to the possibility that higher density entities' cultivation of third density polarity is as weird as they describe it. There's a certain attractiveness to imagining that higher density negative intervention in our history is a self-sacrifice they undertake to serve us. One thing I seem to disagree with many Law of One adherents on is the danger of the material; I don't see anything particularly dangerous or confusing in there. Maybe I'm not seeing it because I've internalized so much Confederation philosophy that the discordant stuff is obvious and easily discarded, and maybe it would be more confusing to others. But I doubt it.

The thing about the HH material is that there's really not that much meat to it. It's much more full of what I call the "space opera" parts of the Ra material, and that kind of info tends to bore me once I grok it since it has no utility in my daily life. I'm doing a re-read of the Ra material and getting through all the questions about pyramids and spaceships after 2 decades of study is now almost a slog. So reading the "Lucifer material" is ok in terms of speculatively recasting how polarity works or maybe seeing it from a different angle, but I have no interest in all the bloodline stuff. I mean, who cares, really? I've always appreciated one advantage of channeled material: since you cannot appeal to the authority of the (alleged) source, you have to accept or reject the information on its own merits, purely.

[Xatu]

Having been introduced to the material from the Hidden Hand poster, then finding the LOO.  I too have not felt drawn back to it it as @Elros has said.  

The story that the post relays basically seems like an Orion recruitment letter, or rather, an attempt at being 100% honest with the sort of manipulation that is going on.  Lieing is said to build Karma and being honest its diffuser, i dont know if the LOO material says this, but I am certain it says forgiveness is necessary in this diffusion.

Entities like this offers certain unlucky individuals tech, riches, fame, glory, and knowledge.  This is in exchange for their servitude, and in helping them to polarize to their cause, thus gaining more numbers.  

I believe whatever this group soul is, to be of affiliation to the Orion, and likely disclosing information psychically to some of these people who have something to gain from the information.  These people are what we would call "the illuminati" or often referred to as "the powers that be".  Genetic manipulation and other similar tech is likely used on this ruling class as well.  

The argument HH makes is that, in their intense polarization and slavery based subjugation of us all, is to our benefit, giving us justification to seek further knowledge and provide something to work against.  In actuality these intense systems of brainwashing etc drastically reduce our vibration overall, giving us extremely short lives, missing out on a sort of deeper understanding that may come from living the "proper" amount of 1000~ years.  Thus, these manipulations hinder our development rather than help it.  And having such a tortuous existence could lead to fear based isolation and self centered tendencies ingrained from a young age, from this external will or Magick being impressed upon us, thus leading to polarization to the STS path.

This is why the quarantine is so important, because they would very much love to not work from the shadows, however they have to and rarely can they slip through it.

20.13 Questioner: Did the average life span grow longer or shorter as we progress on into third-density experience?

Ra: I am Ra. There is a particular use for this span of life in this density and, given the harmonious development of the learning/teachings of this density, the life span of the physical complex would remain the same throughout the cycle. However, your particular planetary sphere developed vibrations by the second major cycle which shortened the life span dramatically.

20.16 Questioner: Can you tell me the reason for this shortening of life span?

Ra: I am Ra. The causes of this shortening are always an ineuphonious or inharmonious relational vibration between other-selves. In the first cycle this was not severe, but due to the dispersion of peoples and the growing feeling complex/distortions towards separateness from other-selves.

Ra always goes into it in a bit more detail as well


22.5 Questioner: Then can you give me a— Can I assume then that this drastic drop from 700-year life span to one— less than one hundred years in length during this second 25,000-year period was because of an intensification of a… of a condition of lack of service to others? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is in part correct. By the end of the second cycle, the Law of Responsibility had begun to be effectuated by the increasing ability of entities to grasp those lessons which there are to be learned in this density. Thus, entities had discovered many ways to indicate a bellicose nature, not only as tribes or what you call nations but in personal relationships, each with the other, the concept of barter having given way in many cases to the concept of money; also, the concept of ownership having won ascendancy over the concept of non-ownership on an individual or group basis.

Each entity then was offered many more subtle ways of demonstrating either service towards others or service to self with the distortion of the manipulation of others. As each lesson was understood, those lessons of sharing, of giving, of receiving in free gratitude— each lesson could be rejected in practice.

Without demonstrating the fruits of such learn/teaching the life span became greatly reduced, for the ways of honor/duty were not being accepted.

[unity100]

As i see it, this hidden hand persona is another person making various gains (personal, financial or otherwise) from the desire of the general populace for conspiracy theories, except he links it up with Ra material...

[Balios]

I think Hidden Hand post was en elaborated hoax, partly based on the Ra Material. It is not the only hoax which used LOO information after all. Think about Nancy Lieder and her Zetas, who deliberately used the notion of reincarnation and densities taken from the Ra Material in her own fake apocalyptic stories about Planet X.

[Jocie]

Remember how Ra said "IN TRUTH THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG.  THERE IS NO POLARITY" and then HH said THERE IS NO "WRONG" OR "RIGHT" seen from a higher density, but there are still consequences for every action. Such is the law of karmic effect,"  and then Hermes says "Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half−truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled,"
and then HH has said they were allowed to cause a change from the lack of free will to there being free will, to make choices (that that were was no free will; it was just lacking and choice was a phenomenon that existed), I think the notion of "free will" is the key that causes us to not vibrate in pure positiveness; and that HH saying they brought about a positive through the principle of "choice" is a deception, that they were needed in the Garden to allow choice.   It was only when "choice" became a part of life that "good and evil" became a distinction of choice.  And where the bible says the creator separated light from darkness, I think that is key to recognizing how negativity exists.   Notice that to have choice there must be a separation!  And the day was separated from night and light was separated from darkness; whereas, there is no separation, only a degree of recognition.  Our mind makes the separation because we are told there is one; and in that separation, we see there is good and evil or aka right and wrong.   But there is no right and there is no wrong.  In actuality of the One Infinite Law, there is no choice; all that is IS.   Only upon separation does there become an issue.  Our minds have been taught how to separate and thus make a choice; when in creation it just WAS.  And the WAS is complete harmony.   People now live with choice and with the taught notions of good and evil, good and bad, etc; and they live out that choice, which essentially choice is a form of "intent."  
Vibration, stemming from the Ultimate is neither good or bad; it just IS.     The birds are an example.  For them in their density, there is no good and evil; their life just IS.    We have lost the unity of IS.   Free will really is not good, and HH promotes free will and the Orion Yah and its influence in the scripture to which it promotes free will under the guise of obedience are not good, especially since free will and commands are oxymoronic.    I was standing outside at the edge of my porch with my eyes closed with intent to the sun asking for wisdom.   That which I just wrote is what I was given.

I am seeing a distinction between the "free will" to which Ra refers and the concept of "free will" aka "choice of behavior" and "separateness" per HH's role.

10.12 Questioner: Then although many entities are not aware of this, what they really desire is to accelerate their growth, and it is their job to discover this while incarnate. Is it correct that they can accelerate their growth much more while incarnate in third density than in between incarnations of this density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. We shall attempt to speak upon this concept.

The Law of One has as one of its primal distortions the free will distortion, thus each entity is free to accept, reject, or ignore the mind/body/spirit complexes about it and ignore the creation itself. There are many among your social memory complex distortion who, at this time/space, engage daily, as you would put it, in the working upon the Law of One in one of its primal distortions; that is, the ways of love. However, if this same entity, being biased from the depths of its mind/body/spirit complex towards love/light, were then to accept responsibility for each moment of the time/space accumulation of present moments available to it, such an entity can empower its progress in much the same way as we described the empowering of the call of your social complex distortion to the Confederation.

Category: Positive Path

11.18 Questioner: Then we have crusaders from Orion coming to this planet for mind control purposes. How do they do this?

Ra: As all, they follow the Law of One observing free will. Contact is made with those who call. Those then upon the planetary sphere act much as do you to disseminate the attitudes and philosophy of their particular understanding of the Law of One which is service to self. These become the elite. Through these, the attempt begins to create a condition whereby the remainder of the planetary entities are enslaved by their own free will.

[loostudent]

Free will really is not good ...

Why? Forced positivity would be no positivity at all. Without free will there is no love. Ra also said all observe free will and free will is parapmount in polarisation. It's "accepting responsibility". There is no responsibility without free will.

[ada]

I believe Love or Logos to be expressions of free will.

[Jocie]

Free will really is not good ...

Why? Forced positivity would be no positivity at all. Without free will there is no love. Ra also said all observe free will and free will is parapmount in polarisation. It's "accepting responsibility". There is no responsibility without free will.

This is the Law of One free will. It is about the free will to react with a choice: accept, reject, ignore: "The Law of One has as one of its primal distortions the free will distortion, thus each entity is free to accept, reject, or ignore the mind/body/spirit complexes about it and ignore the creation itself."

Free will per the contribution of it from HH is choice of self-behavior. Behavior offers the choice to act good or evil, the polarity.

Since, according to the Law of One (found in 1.7), there is no right or wrong in the creation and there is no polarity, there is purity of "it is what it is." Regards the "it is," the Law of One allows the free will to ignore, accept, or reject other complexes and ignore creation. HH, even though they agree there is no right or wrong, they brought choice of "behavior," which created polarity Choice of behavior then deviates from the purity of "it is what it is."
Once people realize this "law" of "it is what it is," they would return to the purity of "it is what it is," the eventuality being that all realize we are one. Sadly, humans, at least, are deeply into separateness because of the "choice of behavior" and create the polarity found in life, the awful effect being good and evil. Evil here on earth is atrocious in all segments of life: Superiority, abuse, hate, greed, cheating, etc. And those are attributes of service-to-self.

"In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One."

[ada]

Free will really is not good ...

Why? Forced positivity would be no positivity at all. Without free will there is no love. Ra also said all observe free will and free will is parapmount in polarisation. It's "accepting responsibility". There is no responsibility without free will.

This is the Law of One free will.  It is about the free will to react with a choice:  accept, reject, ignore:   "The Law of One has as one of its primal distortions the free will distortion, thus each entity is free to accept, reject, or ignore the mind/body/spirit complexes about it and ignore the creation itself."

Free will per the contribution of it from HH is choice of self-behavior.   Behavior offers the choice to act good or evil, the polarity.

Since, according to the Law of One (found in 1.7), there is no right or wrong in the creation and there is no polarity, there is purity of "it is what it is."    Regards the "it is," the Law of One allows the free will to ignore, accept, or reject other complexes and ignore creation.   HH, even though they agree there is no right or wrong, they brought choice of "behavior," which created polarity  Choice of behavior then deviates from the purity of "it is what it is."
Once people realize this "law" of "it is what it is," they would return to the purity of "it is what it is," the eventuality being that all realize we are one.   Sadly, humans, at least, are deeply into separateness because of the "choice of behavior" and create the polarity found in life, the awful effect being good and evil.   Evil here on earth is atrocious in all segments of life:  Superiority, abuse, hate, greed, cheating, etc.   And those are attributes of service-to-self.    

"In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One."

This quote always makes me see the cosmos and stars.

Let's assume that we agree that there is no right or wrong, meaning that separteness is not wrong, but merely a form of distortion. Now, if our current way to advance in 3rd density is choosing polarity. Then for that to happen we need free will, a lot of free will. So much that you are sure you're the one who made that choice.
So separation is a prerequisite for the choice and excellerates polarity growth.
Nothing is stopping us from seeing all as one and the same, but due to this separation and free will you don't know the thoughts and intentions of other-self, for those attached it may cause fear and trust imbalances which prevent the entity to act from the heart of self.

[flofrog]

So agree Paoercut,
I have always loved the Ra session, I think 67, when Don is discussing how to answer both requests from both sides snd Ra finds very humorous he is trying to do so

Probably why I am so excited to meet any kind of new event every day. Lol

[Jocie]

The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.  (Chapter 4:20)

I think you are misunderstanding what "no right or wrong" means.   It does not mean separateness is not wrong.  Separateness means polarity is at play.   And the only reason polarity came to be (because Ra says there is no polarity along with there being no right or wrong) is because of behavioral choice, such choice being good or evil.   Good or evil do not exist in the realm of there being no right or wrong; they only exist because of polarity.    Think of a newborn baby.  There is no good or evil directing the behavior or the baby; the baby just is.  The baby exists with no right or wrong; it just is.   The parents then teach the baby that they are of a religious persuasion.  That religious persuasion is a step into separateness.  The parents then teach the baby that they are of a certain political stance.  One more step into separateness.  Had the newborn been taught unity from the beginning, that newborn then faces the Ra-described free will, that being for the baby to eventually make the choice to accept, reject, or ignore the mind/body/spirit complexes about it and ignore the creation itself."   Before that baby gets tainted, there is no choice of a certain behavior, to be good or evil, because the baby is born into unity/no right-no wrong.   Hidden Hand needed to implement the free will of "choice" so that there could be separateness (which is wrong) in order for them to be not in unity with One.  They have their own purpose, though they know what the unity of One is about.   Their role was to create good and evil in order for separateness to exist.  That polarity then led to various religions finding a way to control people, and that control keeps people separated.   The polarity is to once again become "no polarity" once people realize they are being controlled by the realm of good and evil by their choice and they begin, as Ra says, to reconcile (restore coexistence in harmony, compatibility, and consistency with one another) causing there no longer to be polarity but unity, utopia essentially.   People love polarity, for it allows them to act in behavior opposite that which is good.   People love their religion because their religion is "right."    And their religion being "right" goes against the phenomenon that in purity (like a newborn) there is no right or wrong.  

Ra:  Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo ( prohibited or restricted by social custom), but the law is inexorable ( impossible to stop or prevent.) and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome (constant contentment - "it just is"). In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer (Hidden Hand's Creator, where Hidden Hand themselves are angelic or light-bearing) as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated (to hasten the occurrence of; bring about prematurely, hastily, or suddenly) the mind/body/spirits of this Logos (Earth) from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus (force/energy) to move, to work and to learn."   What learning we have needed to become aware of is the way to reconcile/restore back to unity.   And that is exactly what lots of us are trying to do.  For me, it was running away from religion, both the bible-based Christianity and Orion-Yah-based Torah.  

Hidden Hand hastened the existence of "good and evil" on Earth by invading the ideal content and pure "is-ness" of the Garden and causing Chawa (Eve) to use the free will of "accept, reject, or ignore creation itself," to which she ignored or rejected the content/utopian/no right or wrong/no polarity/creation condition and believed the (Hidden Hand) lie and then became cognizant of good and evil and, thus, started the concept of separateness.  She and man became separated from utopia.  Man has since had to find the path to reconcile/restore unity.  

Hidden Hand is presumed to be telling the truth; but the immediately-below two paragraphs are a lie.  This lie is needed so that polarity is seen as something positive.  

Hidden Hand:  "Yahweh had agreed to our coming, in fact it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "Catalyst" of change to enter into his Creation, and share the knowledge and wisdom we had attained through our Ascensions. In the absence of Free Will upon the planet, there can be no Polarity, and therefore, nothing to 'choose' between. Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely 'paradise', yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey Home, to The One. Yahweh has been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance, running a benign dictatorship.
Without Polarity, (derived from Free Will), there is only the Unity of Love and Light, and no choice to experience 'other than' that. So, we were to be the Catalyst for change, in order to provide that choice, thus bringing Polarity. Yahweh agreed that we would introduce the concept of Free Will to Earth's inhabitants, by offering them an initial choice, as to whether they 'wanted' it or not. Hence, "The Tree of the Knowledge of 'Good and Evil'" (or more accurately, the Knowledge of Polarity, of Positive or Negative). Yahweh takes his inhabitants to a new 'garden' and tells them you can do anything you like, except this one thing, thus creating the desire to do the one thing there are told they cannot. Hence, a "Choice". We provide the Catalyst by telling them the benefits of attaining Knowledge, they eat from the tree, and the rest is history."

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=...ion&sr=210

[loostudent]

This lie is needed so that polarity is seen as something positive.

Polarisation and choice was planned by Logos.

The baby exists with no right or wrong; it just is.   The parents then teach the baby that they are of a religious persuasion.  That religious persuasion is a step into separateness.  The parents then teach the baby that they are of a certain political stance.  One more step into separateness.  Had the newborn been taught unity from the beginning, that newborn then faces the Ra-described free will, that being for the baby to eventually make the choice to accept, reject, or ignore the mind/body/spirit complexes about it and ignore the creation itself."

There are two things especially important in this relationship other than the basic acceptance of the child by the parent. Firstly, the experience of whatever means the parent uses to worship and give thanksgiving to the One Infinite Creator, should if possible be shared with the child entity upon a daily basis, as you would say. Secondly, the compassion of parent to child may well be tempered by the understanding that the child entity shall learn the biases of service to others or service to self from the parental other-self. This is the reason that some discipline is appropriate in the teach/learning. (42.20)

[ada]

You know that feeling or thought process where everything seems to speed up and crash into a wall of an concept/idea? This feels like one of those moments.
Don't you think that perhaps you are giving an idea or a few entities too much credit over something that billions partook in? There's definitely sixth density wanderers all around us, they might be your friends, family, or forum members. How are they any different or less than of those that you spoke of?
I'm not saying it's not true, just limiting to our infinite potential. They're co-creators, we're co-creators, who cares?
There's a veil and a quarantine, nobody knows who or what they actually are without an external something that tells them what they are, and what kind of choice is that, I ask of you?

[flofrog]

We might stay in neutral as long as we please, but since as we, on this forum, apparently incarnated in third density, and it was probably in high demand at this space / time, it might be sad to stay neutral all incarnation, then wake up to the fact after incarnating, we didn't move an inch... lol