Text attacking Law of One and Ra Material

[loostudent]

They were very arrogant throughout the entire conversation, to say the least.

That's also what bothered me. That boasting with "the only true" occult knowledge. According to their claims ancient wisdom supposedly stems only from one culture and one secret doctrine. That exagerration and denying parallel evolution is called hyperdiffusionism.

[anagogy]

I judge messages based on *content*, not authority, so it doesn't matter one iota to me if it came from a voice in my head, a ghost that appeared in my room and started communicating with me, a rat that started talking to me, a janitor, a theoretical physicist, a Ouija board, God, Ishtar, Ra, Anubis, the color blue, Satan himself, Lord Zebulon from Proxima Centauri, Jesus, the High Chancellor of Jupiter, a talking tree, a sentient A.I, a Furby, Kryon of magnetic service, Brahma, the white noise from the television or radio, or an inanimate object.

We all have SOME DEGREE of an ability to recognize truth when we hear it, and it becomes more refined and nuanced the more you use it. And like a jangled piano out of tune, and a song that is played on it, some people will detect the degree to which it is "out of tune" and some people won't. And that is the journey.

The messenger matters not, only the degree that the message lights the way forward.

[P.S: please accept this message based solely on the basis of my unquestioning supreme expertise and authority on these matters] <<<JOKE

[Cannon]

If you told them about the suicide, and they were unaware of it, then they'd probably think it is even more likely that the channeling was being interfered with to great extents.

It certainly was interfered with heavily, although Carla was apparently in far more danger than Don. I believe their claim to dismiss the Material was on the strong suspicion that Ra was a negative entity all along, or that no new or useful information was given in the work. They were absolutely correct that getting a good medium or channel is very difficult, though they may have been exaggerating it to seem simply impossible, and that negatives often masquerade as positives. Knowing this however, I don't see anything yet to believe, at least at this time, that Ra himself was negative. There is the danger that, during some sessions, a negative spoke through Carla instead of Ra as Ra, when the questions being asked drifted into transient subjects. I believe it's very likely that this happened, and probably at the beginning of the work when the questions were of a less spiritual quality, having to do with Egypt, Ra's history with Earth, and things like that.

It may even be that Ra didn't build the pyramids at all, even if everything else in the work may be true. I keep hearing other people interested in the occult say that the Pyramids themselves used to align perfectly with stars in Orion Constellation over 10,000 years ago, which is apparently the location of the Negative faction which has been causing so much trouble here. It doesn't make sense to me that a Service-to-Others group would build things in that manner. Corey Goode, an alleged insider who claims to be or have been in direct contact with at least one member of the Ra Social Memory Complex claims that that member (a male named Ra-Tier-Eir) explained that the Material was very distorted, although beneficial. It is my strong position that the Ra Material should by no means be treated like a Bible, Quran, or like any Holy book--as if anything infallible was written inside it, or that one does not have to approach the book without applying discernment. The subject of the Law of One itself, though (as in the spiritual law,) was apparently channeled correctly in the book. At least, so says Ra-Tier-Eir, says Corey Goode.

After the danger of Negatives influencing what came through Carla, there is also the possibility that Carla's own 'distortions', as Ra would put it, interfered with the message as well, regardless of her or Ra's purity of motive. I have heard that entities being channeled are not allowed to directly contradict the belief systems of those in which they are communicating. One example of this happening would be the information regarding the historical figure of Jesus, and of him being a fourth density wanderer. A man claiming to be in direct contact with a group of Andromedans (as in he was literally brought on their ships,) Alex Collier (a man I genuinely respect) claims that the Andromedans have told him that there was no historical figure that fits the description of Jesus. Here's a link with what he has to say on this subject (look up "4 - The Holographic Record of Christianity"): https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andro...com_7c.htm

[loostudent]

I have heard that entities being channeled are not allowed to directly contradict the belief systems of those in which they are communicating. One example of this happening would be the information regarding the historical figure of Jesus, and of him being a fourth density wanderer. A man claiming to be in direct contact with a group of Andromedans (as in he was literally brought on their ships,) Alex Collier (a man I genuinely respect) claims that the Andromedans have told him that there was no historical figure that fits the description of Jesus. Here's a link with what he has to say on this subject (look up "4 - The Holographic Record of Christianity"): https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andro...com_7c.htm

Andromedans claims (like the Council of Nicea (AD 325) created New Testament and Christian religion) are just one more conspiracy theory fallacy ...

[yossarian]

I've found another one. Attacking also other channelings. What do you think?

"Channeling is simply a new word for mediumship. It is in no way different from the 'spirit' messages received by spiritualists in the 19th and 20th centuries. The deceitful entities responsible for such communications, wrongly perceived as 'spirit guides' and 'extraterrestrials', swarm like a shoal of hungry sharks within the Astral gloom; ever on the look out for easily influenced and gullible individuals, in order to unload within their untrained minds the fantasies they can no longer hold themselves ... "

More: http://www.occult-mysteries.org/channeling.html

1//They agree that All is One (if you read to the bottom)

2//They believe channeling is a real phenomenon

3//They say that some channeling has true contact with high beings, but this is only possible if the channeler is pure

4//They agree with Ra & Carla about tuning and about the low quality of most channeling

5//They agree with much of the Ra content, but complain that much of the content pre-existed the Ra contact and that content which is new lacks proof.

5.1//For example, they strongly reject the idea of 75,000 year major cycles. I partially agree with them: without evidence or rational basis for the 75,000 year claim, the reader can't make use of the claim and can't consider it true knowledge. But being unable to prove or use a claim does NOT make that claim untrue and does NOT invalidate the claimant, which they are implying. So they are making a logically invalid implication based on the logical fallacy "argument from ignorance".

6//They say "when the student is ready the teacher will appear" or in other words... "You are wrong. I am right. But I won't tell you why and you won't find out, unless some magic happens." This is not very helpful or useful.

6.1//The reader, in this part, is presented with an implicit suggestion to accept their unsubstantiated authority, but doing so falls to the same criticism by which they criticize the unsubstantiated authority of Ra/Carla/channeling.

7//They point the reader, instead, to occult works like Blavatsky. Again... there is nothing in the life or works of Blavatsky that is more rigorous or proven or substantiated or authoritative than any other random person or voice or entity. Their alternative to Ra has the same failings that Ra does--fundamentally lacking legitimate authority and also lacking any kind of rational or empirical substantiation.

Should we believe Ra? No. Ra says as much. Ra is as authoritative as any random homeless person. You must evaluate the content on its merits. The way in which it was created and the source does matter too, and in the case of L/L Research, I think we've all seen that they are transparent, ethical, sincere, and generous. L/L Research created the material and there is nothing to suggest its a scam of some kind. They aren't hiding anything and they don't hold themselves as authorities. So an analysis of the source doesn't undermine the authority of the material but actually supports it.

At another page on their site they say you should recognize a true teacher by their fruits which should be things such as compassion, service, honesty, stability, ethics, etc. Again, by their own standards, L/L Research shines more brightly than their own occult-mysteries.org site does. To be honest it would be hard to find a more ethical, transparent, and downright generous organization than L/L Research.

Compare the ethics of L/L Research to the best Church, Sangha, Temple, University, or Non-profit you can think of. L/L Research comes out very favorably. One might say LL has the advantage of being small. But LL consciously chose to stay small. They could have chosen otherwise a long time ago. Even back in the 70s, they could have been pumping out an army of channelers each bringing in money selling writing, training, all kinds of different products and services, building up a hierarchy with outposts across the globe, selling retreats and seminars. In the last 20 years they could have sold personal audiences with Carla and hyped her up as a magic superguru. They could have capitalized on the 2012 phenomenon but didn't even try at all and often downplayed it. Jim could be doing the convention circuit touring around hawking books and pyramids, giving speeches and personal readings. I wonder if LL people have even had these temptations presented to them? Or if they are so pure such suggestions never even entered their mind complex?

The fact that Don insisted that they give the material away for free is remarkable. This initial decision has echoed down the decades and resulted in LL today--an organization so admirable in its transparency and lack of profit-seeking that its hard to even believe it can exist in such a capitalist world. At some point the ethics of the organization become more remarkable than the material itself! It will be very interesting to see if these standards can be maintained in the long term.

(Huge thank you to Don, Carla, Jim, Ian, Steve, Gary, Austin, Plenum, Monica, Jade and all the other employees/helpers/moderators I don't know about)

[JJCarsonian]

This sounds like something Trump would do - take something thats popular and twist it to gain followers.. Many of the things said are lies, said to appeal to the stupid.. Tanaath wreaks of the intent to manipulate the the dumb.

[flofrog]

Compare the ethics of L/L Research to the best Church, Sangha, Temple, University, or Non-profit you can think of. L/L Research comes out very favorably. One might say LL has the advantage of being small. But LL consciously chose to stay small. They could have chosen otherwise a long time ago. Even back in the 70s, they could have been pumping out an army of channelers each bringing in money selling writing, training, all kinds of different products and services, building up a hierarchy with outposts across the globe, selling retreats and seminars. In the last 20 years they could have sold personal audiences with Carla and hyped her up as a magic superguru. They could have capitalized on the 2012 phenomenon but didn't even try at all and often downplayed it. Jim could be doing the convention circuit touring around hawking books and pyramids, giving speeches and personal readings. I wonder if LL people have even had these temptations presented to them? Or if they are so pure such suggestions never even entered their mind complex?

The fact that Don insisted that they give the material away for free is remarkable. This initial decision has echoed down the decades and resulted in LL today--an organization so admirable in its transparency and lack of profit-seeking that its hard to even believe it can exist in such a capitalist world. At some point the ethics of the organization become more remarkable than the material itself! It will be very interesting to see if these standards can be maintained in the long term.

(Huge thank you to Don, Carla, Jim, Ian, Steve, Gary, Austin, Plenum, Monica, Jade and all the other employees/helpers/moderators I don't know about)

So much agree yossarian,   thank you, I feel so much gratitude too for everyone you cite.

I had been uninterested in mediums until about thirty five years ago when I stumbled on  Edgar Caye whom I found so appealing since his readings at first were so much about physical healing.  Then I studied more psychic essays,  but seldom have I felt such love as I felt for Ra,  when I started to study the LOO    

[loostudent]

5.1//For example, they strongly reject the idea of 75,000 year major cycles. I partially agree with them: without evidence or rational basis for the 75,000 year claim, the reader can't make use of the claim and can't consider it true knowledge.

Actually there could be an explanation for these cycles. In astronomy it's called axial precession.

At another page on their site they say you should recognize a true teacher by their fruits which should be things such as compassion, service, honesty, stability, ethics, etc. Again, by their own standards, L/L Research shines more brightly than their own occult-mysteries.org site does.

I agree. They (the occult group) have a lot of mirror sites with slightly different look and titles. And all the secrecy about further information ... This smells of manipulation and money-making.

[Infinite]

I found another text attacking Law of One and the concept of harvest. It's from a person/group that believes the Earth is a prison of the Archons and the reincarnation as the harvest are soul traps. Here the link: http://in5d.com/what-does-the-law-of-one...ally-mean/

[kristina]

I found another text attacking Law of One and the concept of harvest. It's from a person/group that believes the Earth is a prison of the Archons and the reincarnation as the harvest are soul traps. Here the link: http://in5d.com/what-does-the-law-of-one...ally-mean/

Haters will be haters.
I find these people that use Archons and Earth as a prison planet for an explanation as to what is going on, add to the questions and makes the explanation seem foggy. I did the whole David Icke thing and it really caused deep unrest within. It even took me a while to get recalibrated. After finding The Ra Material, I suddenly felt free and at ease. All my questions were getting answered instead of creating more and more fearful questions.
Anyone else?
The video on this page wasn't too bad...the info was a little distorted
Thanks for sharing Infinite

[flofrog]

Thank you Infinite.
The funny thing is that in his text, he is both finding the Eatth a prison planet but, given the choice, would not accept harvest and prefers to stay on. I don’t have time to check right now Ra’s quotes but I had the intuition that at least in one, sentences in his answer were taken out, or at least one final important sentence was omitted.

Always interesting to see in a rebuttal that some information is missing ..

[tamaryn]

I'm sick of the cult-like behavior here. A guy is talking complete sense and you all are attacking him as 'the enemy' classic cult brainwashing.

OOOOH HE IS FROM ORION DONT LISTEN TO HIM

lmao

[tamaryn]

All that I see is a guy that is thinking and experiencing for himself instead of defending some belief that is not based on direct-experience. And because he claims to remember his soul origin or his soul purpose - to resist all forms of soul slavery, you attack him for being 'negative'. What a cult. Jesus christ help us all.

[tamaryn]

The fact that Don Elkins killed himself near the end of these channelings is a huge sign of something amiss. These channelings should thus be brought into question.

Specifically that they refused to assist him in changing his problematic beliefs.

[kristina]

The fact that Don Elkins killed himself near the end of these channelings is a huge sign of something amiss. These channelings should thus be brought into question.

Specifically that they refused to assist him in changing his problematic beliefs.

Then let us open up a discussion about it Tamaryn. I am interested in your thoughts.
What was it that brought about Don's suiceide?
How do you think they could have assisted him better?
What do you suppose is amiss in the channelings?

[tamaryn]

They could have told him, like any Human would, to just give this stuff a break and tell him his life is worth it to reach contentment and peace with his issues.

[tamaryn]

What was it that brought about Don's suicide?

Perhaps his terror of his own shadow self- which was embodied as the STS, perhaps induced a very real psychosis for him. It is very sad they he didn't have the time to just set this work down and give it a few good years of critical thought. His firm belief in the truth of the material I believe led him to forsake his humanness.

[tamaryn]

I don't know about all of you but when I firmly believed in this STS talk I was also closely nearing psychosis. Due to that I have experimented with psychedelic drugs that opened myself to a level of multidimensionality, I was not prepared to live with the energetic baggage of carrying around limiting beliefs....

How can you really say there is STS - and it actually matters - when the universe it just infinite fractality. What is so important about a certain type of people when it is all just living and dying so fast before your eyes and you are their creator?

[Ray711]

They could have told him, like any Human would, to just give this stuff a break and tell him his life is worth it to reach contentment and peace with his issues.

They were very much taking it easy by the time Don committed suicide. The last few sessions of the material took place months between each other. Also, Ra can't interact with humans by offering unsolicited advise in the same way that we can do with each other. To offer unsolicited advice, even if it's good advice, is seen as a violation of free will, because of the fact that Ra are entities from somewhere else, with knowledge that we don't have. They can only give their knowledge when a specific request has been made (and even when such a request is made, they can't always answer).

[AnthroHeart]

They could have told him, like any Human would, to just give this stuff a break and tell him his life is worth it to reach contentment and peace with his issues.

They were very much taking it easy by the time Don committed suicide. The last few sessions of the material took place months between each other. Also, Ra can't interact with humans by offering unsolicited advise in the same way that we can do with each other. To offer unsolicited advice, even if it's good advice, is seen as a violation of free will, because of the fact that Ra are entities from somewhere else, with knowledge that we don't have. They can only give their knowledge when a specific request has been made (and even when such a request is made, they can't always answer).

I agree. Due to the law of free will (law of confusion) Ra had to allow the STS beings to mislead and attack.

[kristina]

I don't know about all of you but when I firmly believed in this STS talk I was also closely nearing psychosis. Due to that I have experimented with psychedelic drugs that opened myself to a level of multidimensionality, I was not prepared to live with the energetic baggage of carrying around limiting beliefs....

How can you really say there is STS - and it actually matters - when the universe it just infinite fractality. What is so important about a certain type of people when it is all just living and dying so fast before your eyes and you are their creator?

And see...this is perhaps part of the delimma here, I have to literally work at seeing things as the way they truly are (multidimensional) through practices like meditation. I have never used psychedelic drugs that has opened me up to the layers. As I meditate, I see how the universe operates and how it is wonderfully designed and this may be a language barrier for some of us within this forum. Some may be far along the spiral, others may just be getting started. The negative polarizing entity is very much real to me as is the positively polarized entity. So I think we have that, ok? We literally have different people expressing levels of experience in this forum and it sometimes seems to clash. According to me it is no different than when two atoms clash together. It just happens. Tamaryn, you have had a very profound experience that has lead you in a much different direction than myself. Don, has has a different experience than the two of us and that was the energy exchange between he and Carla. The two of them never imagined what they had agreed upon would actually happen in a million years, but it did! Don's heart was completely and spontaneously opened. This was for sure a complication. I believe it exacerbated his already delicate mental state.

[Infinite]

I did the whole David Icke thing and it really caused deep unrest within. It even took me a while to get recalibrated. After finding The Ra Material, I suddenly felt free and at ease. All my questions were getting answered instead of creating more and more fearful questions.
Anyone else?

Around 2015, I believed that Earth was a prison managed by extraterrestrials beings as Archons and reptilians. So, a person with some level of enlightenment showed me the "Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati" and many things made sense to me. Few time after, I discover the Law of One through the site montalk.net (whose author also believe in the theory of Earth as prison).

Today, I believe these theories of Demiurge, Archons, reincarnation and karma as soul traps, etc. are disseminated by Orion entities trying to sow fear and confusion. There is a conspiracy theory that Saturn is the base of the negatives. That follow the default negative attitude of try disparage positive aspects of reality.

Thank you Infinite.
The funny thing is that in his text, he is both finding the Eatth a prison planet but, given the choice,  would not accept harvest and prefers to stay on. I don’t have time to check right now Ra’s quotes  but I had the intuition that at least in one, sentences in his answer were taken out, or at least one final important sentence was omitted.

Always interesting to see in a rebuttal that some information is missing ..

The majority of slanderes of LOO I already found didn't understand the material. I'm not talking about personal interpretation, but incoherence with concepts explained by Ra.

I'm sick of the cult-like behavior here. A guy is talking complete sense and you all are attacking him as 'the enemy' classic cult brainwashing.

OOOOH HE IS FROM ORION DONT LISTEN TO HIM

lmao

No one here takes the material as a gospel. About the no interference of Ra, here a thread about it: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=15313

[Diana]

I think debunkers are one of the most uninteresting persons on Earth.

There might be a potential for confusion in labeling.

What if whom you consider a debunker is simply someone genuinely interested in the subject with valid reasons to be critical?
What if your ideology is debunkable by sincere seeking that had consideration for the values involved in this ideology?

Edit : A good example : My spiritual path started in Christianity because it was the gateway to what I had known in term of spiritual seeking. Why I am not a Christian anymore is because I've debunked it, but only after having resonated with aspects of truth from within this teaching.

I agree that labeling is not only confusing, but destructive in that it separates, which ironically is what debunkers do.

What I meant by debunkers, specifically, are those individuals who spend their energy on tearing down, destroying, rather than creating. That is why I find them uninteresting—because they aren't coming up with anything on their own but rather they are simply shooting down what is already out there. 

[flofrog]

I think that in fact one of the main interests of the LOO is specifically you are constantly asked to check if elements resonate or not with you. I have to say that the kindness in Ra’s words is also one of the things that attracted me in the first place. I like the respect given to what could be deemed negative entity. And if I listen to a podcast of the LOO,I am each time moved by the openness, vulnerability, and non dogmatic ways of Gary, Jim and Austin. And I found here friends who discuss things in a kind and open way.

I don’t think persons outside the LOO are from Orion or else... lol

[tamaryn]

I think debunkers are one of the most uninteresting persons on Earth.

There might be a potential for confusion in labeling.

What if whom you consider a debunker is simply someone genuinely interested in the subject with valid reasons to be critical?
What if your ideology is debunkable by sincere seeking that had consideration for the values involved in this ideology?

Edit : A good example : My spiritual path started in Christianity because it was the gateway to what I had known in term of spiritual seeking. Why I am not a Christian anymore is because I've debunked it, but only after having resonated with aspects of truth from within this teaching.

I agree that labeling is not only confusing, but destructive in that it separates, which ironically is what debunkers do.

What I meant by debunkers, specifically, are those individuals who spend their energy on tearing down, destroying, rather than creating. That is why I find them uninteresting—because they aren't coming up with anything on their own but rather they are simply shooting down what is already out there. 

There is another way of teaching I have heard Tobias Lars talk about:

Positive wisdom: Adding and piling on concepts to the truth of what we are
Negative wisdom: Removing concepts to the truth of what we are

[tamaryn]

@Infinite

What was the original facebook link? A group or a post? I am interested in what else this person has to say.

[Infinite]

@Infinite

What was the original facebook link? A group or a post? I am interested in what else this person has to say.

It seems the source is this: http://www.silverlegion.org/Updates-and-...law-of-one

[tamaryn]

I found this interview with the woman who did the original 'text'

She seems mostly aligned to the LOO, freedom, sovereignty. She is also a middle school teacher.

[Hilarion]

I personally have tried to tie in within myself The Law of One with eastern philosophies. Much of the real metaphysical content of Ra is already out there in meditative traditions like Yoga, Hinduism, Buddhism. It just wasn't widely avaliable in the west at the time of the channelings or put across in such a consice manner. Like most of L/L Research's channelings sate it up to you to discern and compile this information within yourself. The most important part of knowledge and wisdom is experience, things only become true to their fullest extent when you have actually experienced them.

I find it better to talk from my own grounded experiences, that way it is harder to be swayed by the misguided discernment of others. It's just not as simple as saying the Ra material is True or false, infact those that truely understand the material realise that it goes beyond the idea of true or false and towards the concept of infinite existence where everything is a distortion of what is true and anything is possible. There are an infinite number of distortions of the one truth yet we live in a dualistic density or place where some things seem true and others seem false. The material is a tool to open yourself up to the infinite creative potential in the universe. I'm sorry if you are stuck arguing over whats true or false you need to understand personal discernment and how the truth is both subjective(relative) and Objective(absolute) at the same time.

[kristina]

@Infinite

What was the original facebook link? A group or a post? I am interested in what else this person has to say.

It seems the source is this: http://www.silverlegion.org/Updates-and-...law-of-one

This person is saying that the word meaning and process of "harvest" and the channeled being (Ra) is negative.
I guess you could see the word harvest as a way of harvesting something for the sake of something else, as in, this nasty doctor does illegal organ "harvesting" or you can look at it as when wheat has come to its rippening and ready for harvest. The latter is always the way I understood it.
Also, The Ra Material has quite a bit of love interwoven in the material. Would anyone care to elucidate on this?