Ra on the Easter Island Heads and Nazca Lines

[DynamicBri]

Ra says that the heads of Easter Island are made with the power of thought to invoke a sense of power influence (such as a governing force) and awe in the viewer. But there is overwhelming evidence suggesting that these heads are created by humans.

Ra says that the heads of Easter Island are 60,000 years old but carbon dating suggests they are created from 1100 to 1620 AD.
Source of carbon-dating: https://books.google.ca/books?id=blsknwE...&q&f=false

Ra says that the Nazca Lines were at least 60,000 years ago. Archeology suggests that they are created by the Nazca people. Wooden stakes were found at the end of some of the lines and were carbon dated to 525 AD. These stakes were remnants of land surveying tools used by the Nazca people. Furthermore, the Nasca lines are shallow lines created by moving a top layer of small rocks. As of 2012, the lines are said to have been deteriorating because of an influx of squatters inhabiting the lands. How in the world would the lines be 60,000 years old?
Source of carbon-dating: https://books.google.ca/books?id=1V-BIdl...on&f=false

(The relevant Ra transcripts start at 20.30 and end near the end of the session.)

[Sprout]

An error in channeling?

On the second note maybe they didn't want to cause an uproar when they carbon dated.

[MangusKhan]

Radiocarbon dating is only useful for determining the age of organic substances. So if we're talking about a giant stone head, or massive drawings in the earth, then I'm not sure how you could use the process of organic radioactive decay to put an age on the structures themselves. Obviously if you try to use carbon dating to find the age of the organic remnants in the area, you will just find the date of the last group of people who lived there.

I have to say though, for drawings supposedly made by advanced extraterrestrials, those Nazca figures are pretty sloppy.

[DynamicBri]

I didn't imply that the actual rocks are dated. The carbon dating is of the eyes inserts of one of the head and wooden stakes at the end of the Nazca lines.

Radiocarbon dating is only useful for determining the age of organic substances. So if we're talking about a giant stone head, or massive drawings in the earth, then I'm not sure how you could use the process of organic radioactive decay to put an age on the structures themselves. Obviously if you try to use carbon dating to find the age of the organic remnants in the area, you will just find the date of the last group of people who lived there.

I have to say though, for drawings supposedly made by advanced extraterrestrials, those Nazca figures are pretty sloppy.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I don't know how fruitful it would be to try to specifically reconcile Ra's record of history versus the traditionally accepted historical narrative. Someone who believes fully in the methods and people who practice archaeology and their interpretations will naturally have difficulty accepting Ra's words. The only evidence we have to support Ra's historical record is Ra's words. So far as I am aware, there haven't been any massive historical discoveries that undoubtedly support the alternative narrative that Ra gives (certainly things can be interpreted in certain ways), so it would only be valid for someone who believes the source for whatever reason. I think anyone who believes in the validity of the Law of One has a personal epistemology that is already at odds with the traditional scientific and historical communities.

For myself, as someone who would tend to trust at least the intentions of traditional archaeologists and historians, it creates a small amount of cognitive dissonance. My mind can always find excuses for why the archaeologists might be wrong and Ra might be right. For instance, the evidence presented for those two timelines are based on carbon dating of items found in the same area as the other artifacts. What would stop someone from placing eyes in the Easter Island heads thousands of years later? Why couldn't someone have placed the stakes around the Nazca lines long after they were actually created, perhaps in an effort themselves to determine their nature?

And, at the end of the day, archaeology and history is not a perfect science. It requires a lot of interpretation, and it can be surprising how influential the academic culture can be in determining how something is interpreted. There is little room for any narrative that doesn't fit the already-established tradition and record. Attempting to move outside of that establishment results in a virtual excommunication. In the same vein, if we hold the belief that Ra's words are valid, their own reporting of numbers (particularly time-frames) is far less than perfect and they could have made a mistake.

Yet I recognize that it is my belief in Ra's words, similar to the belief held by the academic community, that leads me to put any trust in Ra's historical record. So the most I can do is try to hold this bit of cognitive dissonance, not dismissing either narrative, accepting that different parts of my belief structure would lead to be put trust in one over the other and just hope that one day they won't be so at odds with each other.

[xise]

The Easter Island Statutes seem to be dated based on carbon dating of the layers of pollen build up, so there are layers of assumption at play (the area always had pollen until recently, the natives did not wash the statutes as veneration, etc).

http://www.hilites.org.uk/easter-island/...ter-island

[JJCarsonian]

Ra says that the heads of Easter Island are made with the power of thought to invoke a sense of power influence (such as a governing force) and awe in the viewer. But there is overwhelming evidence suggesting that these heads are created by humans.

Ra says that the heads of Easter Island are 60,000 years old but carbon dating suggests they are created from 1100 to 1620 AD.
Source of carbon-dating: https://books.google.ca/books?id=blsknwE...&q&f=false

Ra says that the Nazca Lines were at least 60,000 years ago. Archeology suggests that they are created by the Nazca people. Wooden stakes were found at the end of some of the lines and were carbon dated to 525 AD. These stakes were remnants of land surveying tools used by the Nazca people. Furthermore, the Nasca lines are shallow lines created by moving a top layer of small rocks.  As of 2012, the lines are said to have been deteriorating because of an influx of squatters inhabiting the lands. How in the world would the lines be 60,000 years old?
Source of carbon-dating: https://books.google.ca/books?id=1V-BIdl...on&f=false

(The relevant Ra transcripts start at 20.30 and end near the end of the session.)

Okay, let me make a couple points:

1) You can't carbon date stone (Easter Island Heads), stone isn't made of Carbon. They carbon date other items lying around it, which has a high probability to be completely wrong.
2) Ra states the Nazca lines are just remnants of something that use to be there. We don't know what use to be there. The terrain use to be completely different, too.
3) Ra is very poor with judging timelines, he states this many times. he could very well be wrong
4) Ra also stated that there were some copy catters that came in after the fact, trying to mimick what they saw

5) I dont quite believe Ra's timeline, either, but you should realize by now that archeologists are really stupid and closed minded. They think they are using science, but then they turn around and disregard solid evidence. They use the evidence they want to paint the story they want. Once that story solidifies, they have a really hard time being open to other concepts. They are like kids trying to figure out how skyscrapers are built. On top of this, there is so much political BS in the way of the truth, that they will shut down anyone else who has a different opinion. We all know Pyramids are not burial chambers. We all know the Sphinx is way older than they say - but Egyptologists marvel in their own culture, such that God forbid that they find out the pyramids and sphinx were built by a different culture.

[DynamicBri]

So the Nazca lines are a bit of a mystery but I thought I'd present the little evidence available. I forgot to mention, the Nasca depictions are cartoony looking animals that are congruent with the artistic expression of the Nasca people. I'm quivering right now Orion. Complete state of awe.

But golly, the archeology done on the heads is quite extensive. When I say, "the evidence is overwhelming" I am not referring to just the carbon-dating, the carbon dating is only part of the picture. Given the nature of the comments, I've concluded that my emphasis on the carbon-dating was misleading.

Where and how the heads were made is well documented. We also have found two ways in which a primitive culture can move such large structures as well. There are large pathways in which the structures are moved, broken heads, incomplete heads, tools, you name it. One could say that Orion intentionally manifested these things but how far is one willing to stretch it? The logical inference is that the heads are made by humans.

[moyal]

There is also the question how 'correct' the official accepted chronology actually is. It's outline was written 'in stone' in the Renaissance by cabalists (Scaliger etc.) and has never been contested by academic historians. Only by outsiders and heretics. Beginning with Isaac Newton.

-> https://evilempireblog.wordpress.com/
-> http://chronologia.org/en/index.html

ARE RADIOCARBON DATINGS TO BE TRUSTED?
-> https://evilempireblog.wordpress.com/201...diocarbon/

[Infinite]

Gary: Thank you for asking [if that answered my question]. I think there was a misunderstanding. Please correct me if I’m wrong. My question wasn’t about the free will of fourth-density inhabitants being affected when third density cycles again, rather, my question was about the free will of the third-density inhabitants being affected when they encounter the artifacts and remnants of our own global civilization.

By what you just said, it may be tens of millions of years before third density cycles again, in which case, Earth will have erased or removed much of our history, but we presently can go back many hundreds of millions, even billions of years in our archeological record, so the question being, when the new third-density cycle activates, and there are new third-density beings who become sophisticated enough, at least, to look into the archeological record, how does that affect their free will to learn of a global civilization that no longer exists.

Q’uo: I am Q’uo, and we are again with this instrument. The traces, as you might call them, of past civilizations are, as you have noted, easily erased by the sands of time. We ask you to contemplate the mystery of past civilizations upon your own planet— the land of Lemuria being one, the land of Atlantis being another. These were great civilizations that have vanished almost without a trace, and are mostly known through legends, even though there have been some who have assiduously searched for these traces, having been alerted by the legends.

Now there are some traces of earlier civilizations currently upon your planet—we call your attention to the statues on Easter Island that are an early remnant of interactions between an earthly population and another earthly source, and so these remnants may, in fact, be in place, and they will be seen as a source of possible mystery, but in general, their presence does not greatly interfere with the free will of those who are learning the lessons of third density, uppermost in importance of which, is the making of the choice.

So, it may be possible that at the latter end of its master cycle of development, a civilization may become aware of traces upon its planet of earlier civilizations. These, in general, do not constitute abrogations of free will in any significant way.

[Jade]

Where and how the heads were made is well documented. We also have found two ways in which a primitive culture can move such large structures as well. There are large pathways in which the structures are moved, broken heads, incomplete heads, tools, you name it. One could say that Orion intentionally manifested these things but how far is one willing to stretch it? The logical inference is that the heads are made by humans.

As johncarson noted, Ra mentions that humans tried to replicate the heads at later times.

I remember watching a PBS documentary not very long ago where they were trying to construct and move a (very large) scale model of one of the heads, and failed. Idk. If we believe they were created at a distance by thought, it's possible that thought gave them an ambiguous date of conception.

[DynamicBri]

The PBS documentary I know of is the one where they moved a statue 100 yards in 45 mins. Seems pretty successful.

95% of the status are created by volcanic ash. The quarry is a volcanic crater where the incomplete statue(s) resides. It also has a path coming out of it where the broken one is. Seems pretty human.

Where and how the heads were made is well documented. We also have found two ways in which a primitive culture can move such large structures as well. There are large pathways in which the structures are moved, broken heads, incomplete heads, tools, you name it. One could say that Orion intentionally manifested these things but how far is one willing to stretch it? The logical inference is that the heads are made by humans.

As johncarson noted, Ra mentions that humans tried to replicate the heads at later times.

I remember watching a PBS documentary not very long ago where they were trying to construct and move a (very large) scale model of one of the heads, and failed. Idk. If we believe they were created at a distance by thought, it's possible that thought gave them an ambiguous date of conception.

[JJCarsonian]

So the Nazca lines are a bit of a mystery but I thought I'd present the little evidence available. I forgot to mention, the Nasca depictions are cartoony looking animals that are congruent with the artistic expression of the Nasca people. I'm quivering right now Orion. Complete state of awe.

But golly, the archeology done on the heads is quite extensive. When I say, "the evidence is overwhelming" I am not referring to just the carbon-dating, the carbon dating is only part of the picture. Given the nature of the comments, I've concluded that my emphasis on the carbon-dating was misleading.

Where and how the heads were made is well documented. We also have found two ways in which a primitive culture can move such large structures as well. There are large pathways in which the structures are moved, broken heads, incomplete heads, tools, you name it. One could say that Orion intentionally manifested these things but how far is one willing to stretch it? The logical inference is that the heads are made by humans.

i do agree 60k sounds a little far fetched. i think Ra may have misplaced a 0 like he does quite often. 6k sounds more reasonable lol.

Anyways, i honestly would take archaeologists findings with a grain of salt, and you really dont know if they are talking about things done by copy catters or orion. Also, they are often times not very accurate. Their whole history is screwed up, i think we can all agree with that. I just dont think its worth thinking.

[Balios]

So the Nazca lines are a bit of a mystery but I thought I'd present the little evidence available. I forgot to mention, the Nasca depictions are cartoony looking animals that are congruent with the artistic expression of the Nasca people. I'm quivering right now Orion. Complete state of awe.

But golly, the archeology done on the heads is quite extensive. When I say, "the evidence is overwhelming" I am not referring to just the carbon-dating, the carbon dating is only part of the picture. Given the nature of the comments, I've concluded that my emphasis on the carbon-dating was misleading.

Where and how the heads were made is well documented. We also have found two ways in which a primitive culture can move such large structures as well. There are large pathways in which the structures are moved, broken heads, incomplete heads, tools, you name it. One could say that Orion intentionally manifested these things but how far is one willing to stretch it? The logical inference is that the heads are made by humans.

i do agree 60k sounds a little far fetched.  i think Ra may have misplaced a 0 like he does quite often. 6k sounds more reasonable lol.

Anyways, i honestly would take archaeologists findings with a grain of salt, and you really dont know if they are talking about things done by copy catters or orion.  Also, they are often times not very accurate.  Their whole history is screwed up, i think we can all agree with that.  I just dont think its worth thinking.

I don't think Ra made a '0' mistake here. He clearly states that Nazca Lines and Easter Islands statues were made during what he calls the first major cycle, which was between 75,000 and 50,000 years ago according to him.

[unity100]

Most unfortunately Archaeology is also still in infancy, just like many other social sciences. Assumptions and modern cultural biases affect a lot of interpretations and findings.

For example up until mid 1990s it was accepted that an Egyptian female mummy having tattoos was a sign of low class origin of the person. As a result of social perceptions pertaining to tattoos in modern society. This is despite high status mummies like head priestesses of Hathor having sizable tattoos.

Only after the perception of tattoos changed in mid 90s, the truth that was staring in the face of Egyptologists all those years was accepted. Before that, it was heresy to propose otherwise.

Another good example is Pyramids.

Pyramids were supposed to have been developed over time, in order, all the way from early mastabah to the great pyramid.

But, for some reason, all the elaborate funeral implements, murals, decorations and architecture seen in all the other pyramids are not found in the great pyramid. There is one room we call king's room, and in it there is one casket in which khufu was put. The room is empty otherwise, and even if you propose that the room was emptied by grave robbers, the lack of any decoration, scripture to guide the spirit to after life, wall paintings to depict the life of the deceased who owns the pyramid are missing. Which would mean that anyone who was buried there would not be able to find his way to afterlife, which would be considered an unimaginable risk by Egyptians at that time.

Or, how Sphinx is supposed to be a few thousand years old as the great pyramid, but as have been proposed in a paper some years ago, its foundation shows the patterns of erosion from flooding rains, which could only have happened when Egypt was a rainforest zone some 10,000+ years ago.

And carbon dating accuracy is not 100%

https://www.labmate-online.com/news/news...ting/30144

[Quan]

Most unfortunately Archaeology is also still in infancy, just like many other social sciences. Assumptions and modern cultural biases affect a lot of interpretations and findings.

For example up until mid 1990s it was accepted that an Egyptian female mummy having tattoos was a sign of low class origin of the person. As a result of social perceptions pertaining to tattoos in modern society. This is despite high status mummies like head priestesses of Hathor having sizable tattoos.

Only after the perception of tattoos changed in mid 90s, the truth that was staring in the face of Egyptologists all those years was accepted. Before that, it was heresy to propose otherwise.

Another good example is Pyramids.

Pyramids were supposed to have been developed over time, in order, all the way from early mastabah to the great pyramid.

But, for some reason, all the elaborate funeral implements, murals, decorations and architecture seen in all the other pyramids are not found in the great pyramid. There is one room we call king's room, and in it there is one casket in which khufu was put. The room is empty otherwise, and even if you propose that the room was emptied by grave robbers, the lack of any decoration, scripture to guide the spirit to after life, wall paintings to depict the life of the deceased who owns the pyramid are missing. Which would mean that anyone who was buried there would not be able to find his way to afterlife, which would be considered an unimaginable risk by Egyptians at that time.

Or, how Sphinx is supposed to be a few thousand years old as the great pyramid, but as have been proposed in a paper some years ago, its foundation shows the patterns of erosion from flooding rains, which could only have happened when Egypt was a rainforest zone some 10,000+ years ago.

And carbon dating accuracy is not 100%

https://www.labmate-online.com/news/news...ting/30144

Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunung_Pad...ithic_Site, ancient period in Indonesia, some suggest could be 12000-20000 years old..
First carbon dating showed 4-5000 years but then much later dig and further tests found deeper that it ages way earlier than that or should I say later? A lot of ancient sites are built on top of other older ones, and this can happen multiple times as in this case..And perhaps with Easter Island too.

[Ghostdancer17]

Ra’s interpretation is quite correct. The famous stone heads of Easter Island were created in Thought-Form by Negatively Oriented Entities of the Orion group. And were charged with raw Power, which could then be absorbed unto the native earth entity, and used for distortions toward power over others. The Nazca Lines are of similar origin, i.e. Those of Orion, and were formed for similar purpose. In each case, the Orion entities scanned the roots of mind of the culture to determine which Thought-Forms would be most efficacious. The Nazca Lines at that time were visible from a prominent land mass situated over them. Today, these have lost their charge of raw Power.