Law of One or Satan's Harvest?

[Night Owl]

Let me put this another way. I think many of us here are fascinated to a certain extent by conspiration theories and believe, know or feel that there are lots of malevolent entities out there who do all they can to spread control. Some humans, some aliens, some working together and some qorking for themselves. I will admt to that myself, it's quite fascinating and seeking the relation that ties all them together is an interesting challenge, finding the pyramid head if you will. But the question is why should we care so much as to release our own power to do good. We have the same choice as they have: to do good or to do bad, to follow the love or to follow fear. That power is never taken away from us. And we all have our own control issue. It is never a matter of whether evil exist, it is undeniably all around us all the time in more ways than we can even imagine. But we remain with the same choice all along and I think that to focus on what power we 'do' have release us from the power we don't have. And so as long as it does not take away from your power to do good I see no problem in talking about all their tactics. But when someone seems in pain about these things, I do believe the struggle is an internal one and should be directly adressed. I don't see anyone being more right or wrong here, we're just tuned to different frequencies at different moments.

[earth_spirit]

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[Aion]

Because it allows them to access more intelligent infinity indirectly which affords them more power over reality.

That kind of makes it sound like power over reality is a zero-sum game.

It doesn't have to be, does it?

I think they attempt to manipulate and enslave and cause fear and suffering, because that is the end, not the means.

From what I understand, these types of beings are meant to cover such dark aspects of the Creator.

We might think that they're evil, messed up, need healing or whatever. But perhaps they're simply doing exactly what they're destined to do.

Dirty job, someone has to do it. It wouldn't be infinity otherwise, so it is.

Personally I'm not worried about the particular created beings who are suffering or enslaving nearly as much as the Creator who spawns and sustains such entities in the first place.

We're supposed to believe it's all for a good cause and just get on with it, right? It's all in the name of love, so that makes it okay.

Does it ever end? Perhaps it does for individual beings, but generally speaking, I don't think it does.

For the sake of my sanity, I'm just assuming the "Creator" doesn't have a choice; that it couldn't stop this even if it wanted to.

Well, based on my understanding, this galaxy, this solar system, etc, is not *directly* manifested from the Creator. Rather Co-Creators are responsible for creating these structures. So my first thing is to suggest is that the beings that form this galaxy are also learning. If you view each planet and star as an individuated being and you see the diversity it kind of pops out that these things are all the products of imperfect beings.

The nature of the Creator is Infinite Being. However, the manifestations of reality are not made directly by that Infinite Being but indirectly by finite beings which are invested with intelligent energy.

So, the key is to realize that WE are also Co-Creators, and WE have the power to imagine and create new realities.

Of course I agree that all entities simply follow their natural impulse. These entities have every much sense of having found their purpose as any other seeker who discovers their path.

[Dante776]

Even more annoying was I at one point manage to destroy these 'dark fates', but they were recreated and improved upon. I haven't been able to affect them the same way since, I can only dispel their threads where-ever possible. I don't think destruction will be able to do it. I think what has to happen is for individuals to be drawn and called to their true tapestry, I think that is the work of really positive workers.

I know that this is beyond most people's believability threshold. But, there is a reason why I posted a black helicopter hovering above a home in the 'Law of One and Targeted Individuals' post. Because that is precisely what has happened in my case. This all started when these choppers would circle my home. This would go on periodically for months. Sometimes the chopper would come so close to my home that it felt like it was landing on my roof. They were doing some kind of 'targeted' programming on me from the chopper. Still happens from time to time. Here's the rub though! I do not think these are humans. Remember, certain beings can take on human form. Perhaps it's the Orion group, the Lizzies, Zetans, who knows for sure? The entities that are attached to me are always claiming them as their own. So, go figure.

I believe, no I'm fairly certain, that this is all part of the same phenomenon that you are referring to regarding beings with highly sophisticated magical technology (the Greys are said to have sophisticated 4th dimensional technology). Perhaps they are coming out of Area 51 or some other secret hidden D.U.M.BS. I believe these are aliens that operate clandestinely within our reality, often right under our noses. And I believe they operate at different levels of multidimensionality, from 3D, 4D, 5D, 6D and beyond. That's why I can't just flat out accept Night Owl's claims that this is something that only occurs internally. That may be true in some cases, but I know from first hand experience that it is often far more complex than that. I believe that it's both 'internal' and 'external' control.

I did not claim that external control doesn't exist, it sure does. I just don't think that the source of what bothers you is external. We can talk external control all we want and what these entities are planning to do but the issue does not seem to me about whether external control exist or not. It exist right now, have existed forever and will exist forever. Control is an infinite pool. The issue is that you are bothered by something, and that is an internal relationship. And that is not something that is personal to you, it is the same across all individuals. --> I'm sorry, but your probably a bright and intelligent dude, but you have no idea what you're talking about here. This is basically the 'psychological' argument all over again and I've addressed that extensively.

Helicopters might be flying over your house, but why do you think they might be flying overs yours more than someone else's house? Surely they don't just hang out there because they feel like it. You said yourself they traget specific individuals. So why do you think they target you in particular? --> I never said that they were JUST flying over MY home. And if you REALLY REALLY want to know this stuff, just trying doing a little more research in this area. Because it's out there. Just try googling or YouTubing some of this information. People are trying to tell you what's going on everyday. But no one wants to believe this stuff unless it happens to them directly.

Can you consciously describe the relationship you have with your own control? --> Yes. Demonic. Just as I have described in previous posts.

[Dante776]

I think Sprout's point was you live by a fear based version of your own spirituality belief system,  and here we don't really subscribe to fear based philosophies since we feel like we should know better by now than to indulge the sensations of fear to control our behavior.

Even if the Ra Material provides more than enough fearful information...

Sorry that you take it that way man. But I'm not trying to frighten anyone. I'm just stating the facts about what has happened or is happening to me and looking at it from the perspective of the Ra material. Now, if you interpret that as fear based. That's unfortunate, because that is far from what I'm doing.

I see it as having an intellectual discussion about some very deep experiences just as many others on this forum have shared about their own experiences and I don't see it as fear based peddling. You've already made it clear that you don't believe that demon possession is real and that it's all in the mind so I can see why you feel this way.

[Dante776]

Why, do we have a big Bring4th ego? It's really quite silly to think that 'everyone knows better'.  :exclamation:

Also, I'm just going to throw this out there. Usually what alerts these entities to an individual is emitting a powerful EM field which happens with polarization, so someone who is born and shines a lot of light will be detectable both by scanning technology designed to pick up on these fields as well as be easily visible to those who are able to astral travel or remote view. I can pick up on these fields and I can differentiate between an individual with 'more energy' than another. If I can do it, you can be sure 'they' can.

Why, you might ask? Because they want to use people as batteries, so they look for people who already have high output potential, wire them in to their 'grid' and then induce trauma so the individual in question will output a steady stream of energy. That scene in the Matrix wasn't entirely allegorical.<---

Why would they want to do this? Because it allows them to access more intelligent infinity indirectly which affords them more power over reality.

Thus, the best approach is they have set up a network of 'public hubs' which will draw others in to the networks. These are, you guessed it, all our wonderful New Age channelers and promoters. (Okay maybe not all of them, but a good bunch.) As well as they have 'infected' all sorts of institutions, they are literally everywhere. This hasn't happened over night. It has been a long process over hundreds, even thousands of years.

The problem we have now is that the 'infection has set in' and it's not just a simple matter of cleaning the wound, the whole body needs to be cleaned out.

Now here's the kicker, all of that is just one desire held by a small group of power-hungry entities, and is NOT the way things have to be. I just want to make that clear that despite all this nonsense I don't think we're enslaved quite like in the Matrix and regardless of their efforts there have been counter-efforts which have been effective. Furthermore, it is possible to break their programming and free the mind, so all is not lost.

Hey thanks man. I could have told them the exact same thing but your word carries a little more weight around here than mine. Understandably though, I'm still the new guy. So Night Owl...dido. What Aion said. Coordinate_Apotheosis...dido. What Aion said. I was building up to this level of information but he got it out before I did. Maybe this will shine a little more light of the subject for you guys.

[Aion]

Don't feel too singled out, this isn't the first time someone has come in challenging the material/convention and tensions get a little out of hand. I think it's important for everyone to take a step back and really look at what they are trying to offer. People kind of go in circles when they don't know what else to do and instead will become baffled or dismissive. I have been on this forum since 2011. I was here through all the 2012 nonsense, I've been here through all the self-proclaimed 'negative' individuals and I've been through the myriads of individuals who have had a major bone to pick with the material and some of them not at all unlike your own experiences. So, I've seen it all here and I think a lot of the people who have only joined in the last few years don't realize we had a HUGE episode across the whole forum with STS vs STO arguments and the reality of these things and negatives and blah blah, for like, two years, between 2011 and 2013. This horse has been kicked to death and then some.

This is just the first time it has been brought up in awhile so I think people are a little thrown off guard. It was easier for people to scrap with when it was all across the forum.

[Dante776]

Don't feel too singled out, this isn't the first time someone has come in challenging the material/convention and tensions get a little out of hand. I think it's important for everyone to take a step back and really look at what they are trying to offer. People kind of go in circles when they don't know what else to do and instead will become baffled or dismissive. I have been on this forum since 2011. I was here through all the 2012 nonsense, I've been here through all the self-proclaimed 'negative' individuals and I've been through the myriads of individuals who have had a major bone to pick with the material and some of them not at all unlike your own experiences. So, I've seen it all here and I think a lot of the people who have only joined in the last few years don't realize we had a HUGE episode across the whole forum with STS vs STO arguments and the reality of these things and negatives and blah blah, for like, two years, between 2011 and 2013. This horse has been kicked to death and then some.

This is just the first time it has been brought up in awhile so I think people are a little thrown off guard. It was easier for people to scrap with when it was all across the forum.

Wow! I wasn't aware of this. Thanks for that history. Yeah some of them can be a little touchy but understandable, this is a touch subject.

[Mahakali]

You really think you were born with that taste? I suppose it is your 'common ground' with your tormentors. Funny, that. I think that is why they enjoy tormenting you so much, you give them what they want and you like it too.

Of course you can fix it, but you won't stop mutilating yourself. Doesn't matter how much healing, freedom and control you have if you just use it to abuse yourself. Just saying.

Of course I don't like it. But I do like hatred, in general, and my point was that, if something needs to be done about them, it's not going to be to just stop hating.

Sure it matters. That's what freedom is about - you can choose to do things others wouldn't in your position. I wouldn't say that being hateful is "mutilating myself". I know what I want.

They must live somewhere. We'll see how much they like it when it takes the coroner a month to figure out how many of them there were.

[Night Owl]

What makes you think I don't believe you? This is not my point at all. My excuses if I sound like I challenge your experiences but it is not at all what I am trying to do. My point is that you seem bothered by the activities of control of other entities. I'm trying, maybe very inadequately to help you understand that entities who seek control, seek other entities who also seek control to gain power over them. If you release your need for control, then they have no use for you. If they have no use for you, it should not bother you so much.

I do not disagree with anything which have been said here, I'm more worried about the focus. The purpose of my intervention is mostly that you are calling for help. I feel a lot of pain from you, and I am quite sensible to pain myself. The vibe I get from you is that you do not like how you feel. So I am merely trying to help you shift.

Understand that the control issues I am talking about can be very subtle. But yet you claim that you hold demonic control over yourself so why would you say I don't know what I'm talking about, I am targeting exactly what you are talking about. I didn't say they fly just over your home, but you seem preoccupied that they fly over yours aren't you? The reason they fly over your home or any home and the reason you are preoccupied with it are two different things. At least consider what I say a little bit before just throwing it at the garbage. Maybe the reason I say some of these things are not as apparent as you believe yet. I am far from just hanging out of boredom. If you would just consider them for a little while you may find out why. Your well being is more important to me than desvribing precisely how they control people because no matter which way, they will find a way. And they have already so many we're actually missing the point by just targeting one or two.

[Aion]

You really think you were born with that taste? I suppose it is your 'common ground' with your tormentors. Funny, that. I think that is why they enjoy tormenting you so much, you give them what they want and you like it too.

Of course you can fix it, but you won't stop mutilating yourself. Doesn't matter how much healing, freedom and control you have if you just use it to abuse yourself. Just saying.

Of course I don't like it. But I do like hatred, in general, and my point was that, if something needs to be done about them, it's not going to be to just stop hating.

Sure it matters. That's what freedom is about - you can choose to do things others wouldn't in your position. I wouldn't say that being hateful is "mutilating myself". I know what I want.

They must live somewhere. We'll see how much they like it when it takes the coroner a month to figure out how many of them there were.

I mean yeah sure, personal vengeance, bloodbath, all that. I get it. I used to fantasize daily about being a vigilante assassin who would find and kill these people. I totally get it. The problem is that since we're dealing with a somewhat non-physical threat the problem isn't alleviated by just killing 'agents', and trust me, there are a lot. Not saying it wouldn't be satisfying, but ultimately ineffectual in doing any real harm to these forces.

It is true that not hating them won't 'defeat' them, but maybe it will give you your attention long enough to do something useful? I mean if you really think physical revenge is all you want and need, have at'er, but I think you could be a whole lot more devestating if you thought a little more outside the box.

Also I didn't mean being hateful is self-mutilating, I'm talking about that sado-masochistic streak a mile wide. Although maybe I misperceive, forgive me if so.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

I think Sprout's point was you live by a fear based version of your own spirituality belief system,  and here we don't really subscribe to fear based philosophies since we feel like we should know better by now than to indulge the sensations of fear to control our behavior.

Even if the Ra Material provides more than enough fearful information...

Sorry that you take it that way man. But I'm not trying to frighten anyone. I'm just stating the facts about what has happened or is happening to me and looking at it from the perspective of the Ra material. Now, if you interpret that as fear based. That's unfortunate, because that is far from what I'm doing.

I see it as having an intellectual discussion about some very deep experiences just as many others on this forum have shared about their own experiences and I don't see it as fear based peddling. You've already made it clear that you don't believe that demon possession is real and that it's all in the mind so I can see why you feel this way.

We have talked to you, you have basically called us all ignorant. I don't think there's anything more to discuss.

[Dante776]

What makes you think I don't believe you? This is not my point at all. My excuses if I sound like I challenge your experiences but it is not at all what I am trying to do. My point is that you seem bothered by the activities of control of other entities. I'm trying, maybe very inadequately to help you understand that entities who seek control, seek other entities who also seek control to gain power over them. If you release your need for control, then they have no use for you. If they have no use for you, it should not bother you so much.

I do not disagree with anything which have been said here, I'm more worried about the focus. The purpose of my intervention is mostly that you are calling for help. I feel a lot of pain from you, and I am quite sensible to pain myself. The vibe I get from you is that you do not like how you feel. So I am merely trying to help you shift.

Understand that the control issues I am talking about can be very subtle. But yet you claim that you hold demonic control over yourself so why would you say I don't know what I'm talking about, I am targeting exactly what you are talking about. I didn't say they fly just over your home, but you seem preoccupied that they fly over yours aren't you? The reason they fly over your home or any home and the reason you are preoccupied with it are two different things. At least consider what I say a little bit before just throwing it at the garbage. Maybe the reason I say some of these things are not as apparent as you believe yet. I am far from just hanging out of boredom. If you would just consider them for a little while you may find out why. Your well being is more important to me than desvribing precisely how they control people because no matter which way, they will find a way. And they have already so many we're actually missing the point by just targeting one or two.

Night Owl, I understand where you're coming from a little better now. It's not always easy getting your point across in just a few sentences so thanks for clarifying. Sorry if I took it the wrong way. But I believe that it goes both ways so allow me to address some of your statements. First of all, I can assure you that I don't 'seek' control from anything or anyone. Quite the contrary. I'm use to being in control, especially over my body, my affairs, my goals, my plans, and oh, did I say my body? See I'm not exactly sure what comes to mind when I express my pain and discontent about entities that exert some level of control over me. But believe me, they do have limited control over my body which would be disturbing to anyone.

The reason for the preoccupation of a helicopter or two flying over your home is because you don't know exactly what they are doing. Are they beaming something down in me? Are they opening a portal to allow these entities to come through and possess me? This is were you truly feel powerless. I mean, what do you do? Would you grab a rifle and start shooting at it? That's not something I would do. It would only get you landed in jail or the looney bin.

It's very difficult separating perceived control and actual control from these 'external' sources especially when you know that it is beyond your ability to control IT. Internal control is even worse. No matter how strong you are and in control you try to be, you know that something else is there that can exert certain control over you at will. Not your will, but it's will.    

[Dante776]

I think Sprout's point was you live by a fear based version of your own spirituality belief system,  and here we don't really subscribe to fear based philosophies since we feel like we should know better by now than to indulge the sensations of fear to control our behavior.

Even if the Ra Material provides more than enough fearful information...

Sorry that you take it that way man. But I'm not trying to frighten anyone. I'm just stating the facts about what has happened or is happening to me and looking at it from the perspective of the Ra material. Now, if you interpret that as fear based. That's unfortunate, because that is far from what I'm doing.

I see it as having an intellectual discussion about some very deep experiences just as many others on this forum have shared about their own experiences and I don't see it as fear based peddling. You've already made it clear that you don't believe that demon possession is real and that it's all in the mind so I can see why you feel this way.

We have talked to you, you have basically called us all ignorant. I don't think there's anything more to discuss.

Your words, not mine. Again, sorry you feel that way. Not my intentions.

[Mahakali]

I mean yeah sure, personal vengeance, bloodbath, all that. I get it. I used to fantasize daily about being a vigilante assassin who would find and kill these people. I totally get it. The problem is that since we're dealing with a somewhat non-physical threat the problem isn't alleviated by just killing 'agents', and trust me, there are a lot. Not saying it wouldn't be satisfying, but ultimately ineffectual in doing any real harm to these forces.

It is true that not hating them won't 'defeat' them, but maybe it will give you your attention long enough to do something useful? I mean if you really think physical revenge is all you want and need, have at'er, but I think you could be a whole lot more devestating if you thought a little more outside the box.

Also I didn't mean being hateful is self-mutilating, I'm talking about that sado-masochistic streak a mile wide. Although maybe I misperceive, forgive me if so.

Killing a few specific ones would make me feel better and send the right message. I have some idea of who's behind the things that really screwed me up.

Anyways, I don't feel like every "agent" has been out to get me; some have even tried to help me in some fashion or another. But some of them are sadistic bullies who wrecked things for me just because they could, and those are the ones I'm concerned about.

Sure, but I feel like some of them try to get me to perform acts of "non-physical revenge" as a way to get me playing their game and even aid whatever it is they're trying to accomplish in the long run. I think they try to use emotional trauma as a way to catapult people into behaving a pre-planned way. If I'm going to disrupt their plans, I'm going to disrupt them,, not play right into them.

You misperceive.

[Aion]

I mean yeah sure, personal vengeance, bloodbath, all that. I get it. I used to fantasize daily about being a vigilante assassin who would find and kill these people. I totally get it. The problem is that since we're dealing with a somewhat non-physical threat the problem isn't alleviated by just killing 'agents', and trust me, there are a lot. Not saying it wouldn't be satisfying, but ultimately ineffectual in doing any real harm to these forces.

It is true that not hating them won't 'defeat' them, but maybe it will give you your attention long enough to do something useful? I mean if you really think physical revenge is all you want and need, have at'er, but I think you could be a whole lot more devestating if you thought a little more outside the box.

Also I didn't mean being hateful is self-mutilating, I'm talking about that sado-masochistic streak a mile wide. Although maybe I misperceive, forgive me if so.

Killing a few specific ones would make me feel better and send the right message. I have some idea of who's behind the things that really screwed me up.

Anyways, I don't feel like every "agent" has been out to get me; some have even tried to help me in some fashion or another. But some of them are sadistic bullies who wrecked things for me just because they could, and those are the ones I'm concerned about.

Sure, but I feel like some of them try to get me to perform acts of "non-physical revenge" as a way to get me playing their game and even aid whatever it is they're trying to accomplish in the long run. I think they try to use emotional trauma as a way to catapult people into behaving a pre-planned way. If I'm going to disrupt their plans, I'm going to disrupt them,, not play right into them.

You misperceive.

True I imagine personal revenge is probably more satisfying then generalized. I agree that is pretty much the ploy, the hard part being that you never really know what their plans are. I know you've had direct physical encounters with individuals and not just psychic interactions so I understand how your desires would come out a bit more visceral. If anyone attacked me or someone I care about directly I would be pretty ruthless too.

My apologies, must have misread the impression. I see where I got a wire crossed, my bad.

[Mahakali]

True I imagine personal revenge is probably more satisfying then generalized. I agree that is pretty much the ploy, the hard part being that you never really know what their plans are. I know you've had direct physical encounters with individuals and not just psychic interactions so I understand how your desires would come out a bit more visceral. If anyone attacked me or someone I care about directly I would be pretty ruthless too.

My apologies, must have misread the impression. I see where I got a wire crossed, my bad.

I think the Temple of Set targeted me because Aquino himself didn't like me. He used the O9A's interest in me as evidence that their group was "a joke", and I think at some point, the O9A began to agree. An anti-glamour spell that was cast on me a few years prior by a vampire really started to rear its head after festering for a while.

I think the Temple of Set's deal right now (one of them, anyway) is trying to hijack and weaponize Christianity for some reason or another.

I think the Order of Nine Angles are just so narcissistic that they can't help but underestimate everyone else, and they assumed I'd be easy to take out of the game because they thought I was weak. (Well, yeah, but they would be too if they'd been tortured for a decade.) If I'm a somewhat strong person in very bad condition, a lot (not all) of them are the opposite - average people in very good condition with very good training and education.

They're also not so different than the drug users and child molestors they claim to hate, I've noticed, in that they claim to want me out of the way because they fear my revenge (even quoting Machiavelli at me on the subject), but they'd rather spend millions of dollars to take potshots at me which don't kill me and only piss me off rather than the $5 it'd take to bribe me, which would work much better - like Nietzsche said, they prefer what's bad for them, and that's probably an important weakness. Their narcissism also makes them weak, and their desire for conflict even when conflict isn't the best option. There's probably some way I could use this.

I think they're used to being the craziest kids on the block. I think they're used to dealing with an older generation.

The other day, I was mentally comparing people in older motorcycle gangs and street gangs and such - who have these ideas about respect and morals and codes of honor, who are appalled by extreme violence and violent extremism, who are about drugs and motorcycles and prostitutes and having fun, who are used to being feared and respected just by virtue of who they are. I had a friend telling me, "You know, these 1%ers, they really don't give a f***." And my response was something like, "Yeah, they do. That's my primary complaint about them. Bunch of damn moralfags."

I feel like that's the generation that gives some Satanic groups a false sense of security.

The new generation is by-and-large nihilistic. We don't have morals, we like and commit violence for the sake of violence, we idolize people who massacre innocent civilians, we glamorize and fetishize schizophrenia and psychopathy and suicide, we're really just about hatred, and we don't respect anyone or anything - I was just reading a news story the other day about how small groups of kids are replacing traditional supergangs in a lot of places, and a police officer being interviewed commenting on how shocking the violence was, that these kids just don't care, that they'll straight-up kill a gang leader over some minor disrespect without regard for the consequences.

I'm digressing a little bit, but it's been on my mind some lately. And, really, it's the older generation that are pushovers. The real competition will come from this generation, motherfuckers who really are crazy.

And some of the people involved in aforementioned groups might really be dangerous, but I think they're rare. Most of them are just average people with shiny toys that are used to being able to bully and push around the elderly....

[Aion]

That's quite the story with some interesting characters that I am well aware of. Thanks for sharing. I understand much better where you're coming from.

That being said, I can't say Im in to mindless violence anymore so not sure how to support you on that one. I guess I wish you luck in getting what you want? I mean, feeding a small population of casual killers seems likely hardly a productive use of your talents but I guess you like what you like. I get it, I do, its a path I just chose not to go down. Im sure thats not really your intent but if the reality of modern gangs is going to be escalated violence then its hard to have sympathy for you if you want to perpetuate that. I know you don't care about sympathy though so thats okay.

I want to help you, I do, but I admit, it seems like you just want power for revenge and then to live out your fetishes. That's perfectly okay, but I don't think I can aid you if that's the case.

[Mahakali]

That's quite the story with some interesting characters that I am well aware of. Thanks for sharing. I understand much better where you're coming from.

That being said, I can't say Im in to mindless violence anymore so not sure how to support you on that one. I guess I wish you luck in getting what you want? I mean, feeding a small population of casual killers seems likely hardly a productive use of your talents but I guess you like what you like. I get it, I do, its a path I just chose not to go down. Im sure thats not really your intent but if the reality of modern gangs is going to be escalated violence then its hard to have sympathy for you if you want to perpetuate that. I know you don't care about sympathy though so thats okay.

I want to help you, I do, but I admit, it seems like you just want power for revenge and then to live out your fetishes. That's perfectly okay, but I don't think I can aid you if that's the case.

I wasn't even just talking about gangs as much as this whole generation. I don't think the world has seen kids like this before.

As far as violence goes... you know, man, if I had a choice, I'd be sitting at a desk drinking a cup of coffee, smoking a fat bowl, and writing and programming computer games. My real desire is to learn and create.

My friends and family members are getting raped and kidnapped and murdered. I'm getting pushed around by thugs who think I'm an easy target because the system wants to keep me in Azkaban over crimes I didn't commit and what they theorize I may or may not do and take away my ability to defend myself.

The system is a bureaucracy. 4th density psychiatrists and police officers aren't any different than the 3rd density ones. "Well, this is really going to reflect on me badly if he does something, so let's keep him on meds and astral restraints forever," is how the doctors think, and the pigs are just as closed-minded, easily-manipulated, brutish, power-abusing, complete-lack-of-compassion-or-rudimentary-critical-thought pieces of s*** they were in third density, and often worse.

Even the enslavers who fashion themselves as compassionate are still just that - their idea of "compassion" being to keep me on a leash, think of me as a dog, and make me perform tricks for them while throwing me an occasional treat while having me neutered to make me more docile.

Both sides have tortured me mercilessly.

I want my magick. I want freedom. I'll have both.

So you tell me... what are my options here? Good ones?

I only know of one. You give me a way out that isn't violence, and I'll take it.

If I play by the rules, the way I see it, I have no chance at all. If I'm smart enough and violent enough to carve out my own section, I might just make it.

The aforementioned groups aren't fucking around. I might not be able to outright win against them, but I'll bet I could at least take a spot for myself and hold it.

[Aion]

That's quite the story with some interesting characters that I am well aware of. Thanks for sharing. I understand much better where you're coming from.

That being said, I can't say Im in to mindless violence anymore so not sure how to support you on that one. I guess I wish you luck in getting what you want? I mean, feeding a small population of casual killers seems likely hardly a productive use of your talents but I guess you like what you like. I get it, I do, its a path I just chose not to go down. Im sure thats not really your intent but if the reality of modern gangs is going to be escalated violence then its hard to have sympathy for you if you want to perpetuate that. I know you don't care about sympathy though so thats okay.

I want to help you, I do, but I admit, it seems like you just want power for revenge and then to live out your fetishes. That's perfectly okay, but I don't think I can aid you if that's the case.

I wasn't even just talking about gangs as much as this whole generation. I don't think the world has seen kids like this before.

As far as violence goes... you know, man, if I had a choice, I'd be sitting at a desk drinking a cup of coffee, smoking a fat bowl, and writing and programming computer games. My real desire is to learn and create.

My friends and family members are getting raped and kidnapped and murdered. I'm getting pushed around by thugs who think I'm an easy target because the system wants to keep me in Azkaban over crimes I didn't commit and what they theorize I may or may not do and take away my ability to defend myself.

The system is a bureaucracy. 4th density psychiatrists and police officers aren't any different than the 3rd density ones. "Well, this is really going to reflect on me badly if he does something, so let's keep him on meds and astral restraints forever," is how the doctors think, and the pigs are just as closed-minded, easily-manipulated, brutish, power-abusing, complete-lack-of-compassion-or-rudimentary-critical-thought pieces of s*** they were in third density, and often worse.

Even the enslavers who fashion themselves as compassionate are still just that - their idea of "compassion" being to keep me on a leash, think of me as a dog, and make me perform tricks for them while throwing me an occasional treat while having me neutered to make me more docile.

Both sides have tortured me mercilessly.

I want my magick. I want freedom. I'll have both.

So you tell me... what are my options here? Good ones?

I only know of one. You give me a way out that isn't violence, and I'll take it.

If I play by the rules, the way I see it, I have no chance at all. If I'm smart enough and violent enough to carve out my own section, I might just make it.

The aforementioned groups aren't fucking around. I might not be able to outright win against them, but I'll bet I could at least take a spot for myself and hold it.

The part I bolded above shines through the rest. For the first time you've let me see your true heart and I'm glad, it gives me relief because I've always felt it there. I would like to help you get in to a state of life where you can enjoy that kind of leisure and use your creative self. I don't mean to come across as chastising or anything, I just see so much potential and it is sad to think you might want to use it for nothing but violence. I think that in many ways you've been forced in to the violence though, so I get it. I believe you. I don't think you want to live a violent life if you don't have to.

As for this generation, yeah, y'know, I have noticed it too. Not just gangs but in general so many kids with nothing to live for but the day to day rush. I think there's just so little purpose built in to the system that it pretty much breeds nihilism now.

To be honest? I think your best approach would be to pit your enemies against eachother rather than to do the dirty work yourself. (All is fair in love and war, right?) Sun Tzu - "If you are few, convince them you are many, if you are many, convince them you are few." I'm a tactician by nature, and military strategy is one of my oldest passions.

Secondly, I have certain talents and a knack for dispelling curses and repairing the etheric body. Here's the deal though, if I help you, once the smoke and dust has settled I want you to find that life of peace. Maybe even one day we can make a video game together cause I'm also in to that and I'm always looking for good programmers.

I understand that there might be some flash and fire in the process of freeing yourself from that life, I accept that possibility. That's not the end game though, the goal is to finally be able to settle in your heart, that's my condition. Maybe you will perceive this being no different from the 'psychiatrists' but the fact is I don't care how it impacts me. I care about your finally getting to be at peace in your heart. That is precious to me, not just for you, but for everyone. Ultimately, it's not like I'm going to hold you to anything, I just want to really be clear what my intentions are,

[777]

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[Mahakali]

The part I bolded above shines through the rest. For the first time you've let me see your true heart and I'm glad, it gives me relief because I've always felt it there. I would like to help you get in to a state of life where you can enjoy that kind of leisure and use your creative self. I don't mean to come across as chastising or anything, I just see so much potential and it is sad to think you might want to use it for nothing but violence. I think that in many ways you've been forced in to the violence though, so I get it. I believe you. I don't think you want to live a violent life if you don't have to.

As for this generation, yeah, y'know, I have noticed it too. Not just gangs but in general so many kids with nothing to live for but the day to day rush. I think there's just so little purpose built in to the system that it pretty much breeds nihilism now.

To be honest? I think your best approach would be to pit your enemies against eachother rather than to do the dirty work yourself. (All is fair in love and war, right?) Sun Tzu - "If you are few, convince them you are many, if you are many, convince them you are few." I'm a tactician by nature, and military strategy is one of my oldest passions.

Secondly, I have certain talents and a knack for dispelling curses and repairing the etheric body. Here's the deal though, if I help you, once the smoke and dust has settled I want you to find that life of peace. Maybe even one day we can make a video game together cause I'm also in to that and I'm always looking for good programmers.

I understand that there might be some flash and fire in the process of freeing yourself from that life, I accept that possibility. That's not the end game though, the goal is to finally be able to settle in your heart, that's my condition. Maybe you will perceive this being no different from the 'psychiatrists' but the fact is I don't care how it impacts me. I care about your finally getting to be at peace in your heart. That is precious to me, not just for you, but for everyone. Ultimately, it's not like I'm going to hold you to anything, I just want to really be clear what my intentions are,

Depends on what kind of "help" you're offering.

Finding "that life of peace" depends largely upon the status of several situations. These aren't peaceful times. Yeah, sure, if I could relax and play with my consciousness and develop myself, I'd like that; there so much goddamn stimuli and opportunity for that in this day and age. But I'll do what I have to do. This is war, and war can be a fun game, too. I have to start off at a serious disadvantage, so I need to start getting serious about things. But everything I need is in my subconscious.

[Aion]

The part I bolded above shines through the rest. For the first time you've let me see your true heart and I'm glad, it gives me relief because I've always felt it there. I would like to help you get in to a state of life where you can enjoy that kind of leisure and use your creative self. I don't mean to come across as chastising or anything, I just see so much potential and it is sad to think you might want to use it for nothing but violence. I think that in many ways you've been forced in to the violence though, so I get it. I believe you. I don't think you want to live a violent life if you don't have to.

As for this generation, yeah, y'know, I have noticed it too. Not just gangs but in general so many kids with nothing to live for but the day to day rush. I think there's just so little purpose built in to the system that it pretty much breeds nihilism now.

To be honest? I think your best approach would be to pit your enemies against eachother rather than to do the dirty work yourself. (All is fair in love and war, right?) Sun Tzu - "If you are few, convince them you are many, if you are many, convince them you are few." I'm a tactician by nature, and military strategy is one of my oldest passions.

Secondly, I have certain talents and a knack for dispelling curses and repairing the etheric body. Here's the deal though, if I help you, once the smoke and dust has settled I want you to find that life of peace. Maybe even one day we can make a video game together cause I'm also in to that and I'm always looking for good programmers.

I understand that there might be some flash and fire in the process of freeing yourself from that life, I accept that possibility. That's not the end game though, the goal is to finally be able to settle in your heart, that's my condition. Maybe you will perceive this being no different from the 'psychiatrists' but the fact is I don't care how it impacts me. I care about your finally getting to be at peace in your heart. That is precious to me, not just for you, but for everyone. Ultimately, it's not like I'm going to hold you to anything, I just want to really be clear what my intentions are,

Depends on what kind of "help" you're offering.

Finding "that life of peace" depends largely upon the status of several situations. These aren't peaceful times. Yeah, sure, if I could relax and play with my consciousness and develop myself, I'd like that; there so much goddamn stimuli and opportunity for that in this day and age. But I'll do what I have to do. This is war, and war can be a fun game, too. I have to start off at a serious disadvantage, so I need to start getting serious about things. But everything I need is in my subconscious.

Like I said, I accept that to get to that position it might be through some flames and fire. Sometimes you have to fight to get to peace, I get that.

As for the help, exactly as I said. I will dispel the curses that have been cast on you, I will repair your etheric body to the extent I am able, and if all goes well I can buy you some time before anybody notices you're no longer in their snare. All I ask is that you try to follow your heart, seem fair?

Keep in mind I'm willing to stick my neck out for this, you're still being traced and if I'm not careful I could attract unwanted attention. I'm willing to do this because I see light in your heart. I want to give you a chance even if no one else will.

[Dante776]

@Dante776

You seem influenced by Cassiopeians... I used to study the transcripts and I felt there was a lot of disinformation there,  and corruptions in the channel designed to put readers in a paranoid state.

I've experienced hyperdimensional manipulation and attack as well, so I sympathize with your story. But I find that obsession with reptilians, grays, and the control system conspiracy increases the negative entities' power. I agree they exist.

Have you considered cleansing, invoking protection, then temporarily entering the vibratory sleep state, as a psychic defense?

777, I'm not familiar with the Cassiopeians material. I've heard of them, and the woman that channels them, but never delved into her work.

What you're hearing from me is not paranoid delusionality (my words). What you're hearing comes from direct contact with the entities that are attached to me, and cross referencing these experiences with others who have had similar experiences. I'm not just having hyper-dimensional manipulation and attacks. That was in the beginning. It's moved on to the 'integration' stage. But, it's not just some 'entity' or 'spirit' doing this. It's is a group mind or gestalt intelligence that is attached to me via implants that has the ability to literally control me like a puppet. This is the point that I think most people are missing. Now, does it do this all the time? No. But it can involuntarily move me when it wants to evoke some kind of response from me. Sometimes it's just to engage in frivolous chatter, sometimes it is to annoy me, and sometimes it is to torment me.

Now, whatever you think a reptilian or gray is, I know for certain that this is it! But you have to understand, the gray, the reptilian, the demon, the angel, the Nordic (human clone) are all the same. They operate within our reality and in other dimensions. 4th dimensional grays are often angelic beings in higher dimensional frequencies and octaves. They simply alternate polarities and, get this, all of this is done with hyperdimensional quantum level technology. Most of these beings are synthetics and cybernetics imbued with artificial intelligence. I don't expect you to believe all of this but just consider what I'm saying. I think a lot of people are asleep with regard to the whole UFO, alien abduction, implantation phenomenon. I think it is an area that is largely ridiculed and overlooked which allows these beings to covertly and surreptitiously control our reality.

Regarding cleansing and invoking protection, I do that all the time. I'm not familiar with temporarily entering the vibratory sleep state as a psychic defense but curious to know more about it. Not sure if it would help my case much because their attachment and control is largely via the implants and chakra manipulation.

[Aion]

@Dante776

You seem influenced by Cassiopeians... I used to study the transcripts and I felt there was a lot of disinformation there,  and corruptions in the channel designed to put readers in a paranoid state.

I've experienced hyperdimensional manipulation and attack as well, so I sympathize with your story. But I find that obsession with reptilians, grays, and the control system conspiracy increases the negative entities' power. I agree they exist.

Have you considered cleansing, invoking protection, then temporarily entering the vibratory sleep state, as a psychic defense?

777, I'm not familiar with the Cassiopeians material. I've heard of them, and the woman that channels them, but never delved into her work.

What you're hearing from me is not paranoid delusionality (my words). What you're hearing comes from direct contact with the entities that are attached to me, and cross referencing these experiences with others who have had similar experiences. I'm not just having hyper-dimensional manipulation and attacks. That was in the beginning. It's moved on to the 'integration' stage. But, it's not just some 'entity' or 'spirit' doing this. It's is a group mind or gestalt intelligence that is attached to me via implants that has the ability to literally control me like a puppet. This is the point that I think most people are missing. Now, does it do this all the time? No. But it can involuntarily move me when it wants to evoke some kind of response from me. Sometimes it's just to engage in frivolous chatter, sometimes it is to annoy me, and sometimes it is to torment me.

Now, whatever you think a reptilian or gray is, I know for certain that this is it! But you have to understand, the gray, the reptilian, the demon, the angel, the Nordic (human clone) are all the same. They operate within our reality and in other dimensions. 4th dimensional grays are often angelic beings in higher dimensional frequencies and octaves. They simply alternate polarities and, get this, all of this is done with hyperdimensional quantum level technology. Most of these beings are synthetics and cybernetics imbued with artificial intelligence. I don't expect you to believe all of this but just consider what I'm saying. I think a lot of people are asleep with regard to the whole UFO, alien abduction, implantation phenomenon. I think it is an area that is largely ridiculed and overlooked which allows these beings to covertly and surreptitiously control our reality.

Regarding cleansing and invoking protection, I do that all the time. I'm not familiar with temporarily entering the vibratory sleep state as a psychic defense but curious to no more about it. Not sure if it would help my case much because their attachment and control is largely via the implants and chakra manipulation.

So I gotta ask, how do you ascertain that ALL these are ALWAYS the same? Also, if that's the case, are there just 'no other beings', or what? If every other dimensional being is part of the controlling scheme, then what does that make us? I dunno, I believe there are imposters and that identities have been stolen. Y'know, by a collective consciousness which wants to control every aspect, maybe? So they have taken all the names of power and use them as their own. They've made a 'shadow reality' which mimics actual reality and through it imitate all of the positive spirits. That doesn't mean the real positive spirit don't exist too, you just have to push through and illuminate the shadow.

This whole "Universal Mind Matrix" thing is just a created bubble that you DON'T have to stay in. You'll just keep building bigger and bigger and bigger until you don't know what to do. Just scrap it all, man, then you can see what is really going on. I'm not saying this just flippantly. Do you want to counter their technology? This is how you do it. Spoken from experience. Destroy the reality you think is there.

It's just an implant. The illusion they've wrapped around you is that their technology is more powerful than you are, which is not true. I have experience removing and dismantling such implants.

[777]

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[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

I think Sprout's point was you live by a fear based version of your own spirituality belief system,  and here we don't really subscribe to fear based philosophies since we feel like we should know better by now than to indulge the sensations of fear to control our behavior.

Even if the Ra Material provides more than enough fearful information...

Sorry that you take it that way man. But I'm not trying to frighten anyone. I'm just stating the facts about what has happened or is happening to me and looking at it from the perspective of the Ra material. Now, if you interpret that as fear based. That's unfortunate, because that is far from what I'm doing.

I see it as having an intellectual discussion about some very deep experiences just as many others on this forum have shared about their own experiences and I don't see it as fear based peddling. You've already made it clear that you don't believe that demon possession is real and that it's all in the mind so I can see why you feel this way.

We have talked to you, you have basically called us all ignorant. I don't think there's anything more to discuss.

Your words, not mine. Again, sorry you feel that way. Not my intentions.

-clears throat-
Forgive me for what I'm about to do.  Moderators, forgive me.  I'm turning off Sweet and turning on Sour.

I believe 'ignorant' is your word.  Such as said to SMC and Aion.  I could quote you and highlight every post in this thread by you nullifying discussions with you paraphrased as "You don't understand what I'm saying."

What's up with your attitude?  I'm supposed to be the irrational hypocrite around here, mister!

You know what I think?  I think you don't want to hear what we have to say because deep down inside you know you've lost your grip on reality.  I think you're in so far over your head in your mind that you can only rationalize it with spirituality phenomena without any substantial shred of evidence beyond 'evil demon God control me make me do bad things' but I think that's your rationalization.

I think YOU don't know what you're talking about anymore than anyone else and YOU just want our confirmation of your biases to rationalize them further.

What's next?  Your bed spontaneously combusts?  Your head turns 720 degrees?  You're possessed?  A possessed person has a modicum of desperation which includes accepting things they normally don't accept.  You have denied EVERYTHING except when people speak of your issues as being anything but true, and even then you deny their aid and help.

I think you know precisely what you're doing and no 'you're talking about yourself' mirror syndrome excuse will suffice at this point.  I've been kind, I've been open, you've taken and not given anything except your spit and spite of total irrational denial.

You're lazy, you're not STO, you're illogical, irrational, and fishing for attention, and I'd precisely know how to spot it because I see myself in you.

Well HELLO ME, HERE'S THE TRUTH

You belong in a mental institution for obsession and trauma, you need counseling and professional help of PURELY a psychological nature because NOTHING IS WRONG WITH YOUR SPIRIT, but your mind.

Paranoid, hostile, reclusive, manipulative, dishonest, obsessed, and intently overzealous with narcissistic tendencies of knowledge, megalomania, delusions, and utmost mania in belief of God's and Goblins using pseudoscientific hogwash labels to make a narrative of unreal realities overlapping your actual reality.

That you are sick in the mind from trauma, and you've fled into pure maniacal fantasy and rewritten your own history in your mind to compensate.

I feel no entities from you, I've damned and dared demons to no retaliation.  You speak of things you know nothing about except that you read them somewhere.  Whether or not it's true is moot, I don't believe your's is a legitimate case otherwise you wouldn't play it out so casually and commonly like 'oh just another part of my life, SOMEBODY HELP ME!'

You are lonely, crying wolf, and the only way it's ever going to get better is if you stop running away from life into fantasies of why you can't handle it, and accept that EVERYTHING YOU BLAME ON YOUR POSSESSION IS ACTUALLY YOUR OWN DOING.

Until you aren't scared to be real, you'll always have some kind of 'problem'.  I'd know as a perfect example.  So whatever your issue is, and I know this post is just to feed you energy because deep down YOU'RE the possessor taking from everyone around you and giving back spite, I hope you as a soul see through your patterns and lessons that you've now ensnared yourself into and come to live a full happy incarnation free of your present narration of LIES and self deceit.

No, for real, you don't need a exorcism, you need God.  You're the demon, you're not the victim the way you promote yourself to be.

And if you are, do, something, about it, go live life, get diagnosed schizophrenic, be nice to everyone when you're not being a monster, live on disability, take a walk, freak out at monsters that are you just unable to accept being a part of yourself.

And stop calling yourself possessed.  The only thing possessed here is everyone buying into your fanciful story of monsters.

God save you from yourself.  Amen, and peace.  I'm being mean because you deserve some blunt honesty if you're going to be a snide jerk.  Sorry too but I do believe you've disillusioned yourself into a whole new delusion of madness that you're so obsessed with as being true has entrapped you from something even worse that you've chosen to avoid at all costs, even calling yourself possessed.

I've said my piece and given my energy.  Show us how STO you are towards me right now, otherwise, good day sir.  I hope it's bright and sunny with God's love because all the darkness in the world can't block that out.

[Dante776]

@Dante776

You seem influenced by Cassiopeians... I used to study the transcripts and I felt there was a lot of disinformation there,  and corruptions in the channel designed to put readers in a paranoid state.

I've experienced hyperdimensional manipulation and attack as well, so I sympathize with your story. But I find that obsession with reptilians, grays, and the control system conspiracy increases the negative entities' power. I agree they exist.

Have you considered cleansing, invoking protection, then temporarily entering the vibratory sleep state, as a psychic defense?

777, I'm not familiar with the Cassiopeians material. I've heard of them, and the woman that channels them, but never delved into her work.

What you're hearing from me is not paranoid delusionality (my words). What you're hearing comes from direct contact with the entities that are attached to me, and cross referencing these experiences with others who have had similar experiences. I'm not just having hyper-dimensional manipulation and attacks. That was in the beginning. It's moved on to the 'integration' stage. But, it's not just some 'entity' or 'spirit' doing this. It's is a group mind or gestalt intelligence that is attached to me via implants that has the ability to literally control me like a puppet. This is the point that I think most people are missing. Now, does it do this all the time? No. But it can involuntarily move me when it wants to evoke some kind of response from me. Sometimes it's just to engage in frivolous chatter, sometimes it is to annoy me, and sometimes it is to torment me.

Now, whatever you think a reptilian or gray is, I know for certain that this is it! But you have to understand, the gray, the reptilian, the demon, the angel, the Nordic (human clone) are all the same. They operate within our reality and in other dimensions. 4th dimensional grays are often angelic beings in higher dimensional frequencies and octaves. They simply alternate polarities and, get this, all of this is done with hyperdimensional quantum level technology. Most of these beings are synthetics and cybernetics imbued with artificial intelligence. I don't expect you to believe all of this but just consider what I'm saying. I think a lot of people are asleep with regard to the whole UFO, alien abduction, implantation phenomenon. I think it is an area that is largely ridiculed and overlooked which allows these beings to covertly and surreptitiously control our reality.

Regarding cleansing and invoking protection, I do that all the time. I'm not familiar with temporarily entering the vibratory sleep state as a psychic defense but curious to no more about it. Not sure if it would help my case much because their attachment and control is largely via the implants and chakra manipulation.

So I gotta ask, how do you ascertain that ALL these are ALWAYS the same? Also, if that's the case, are there just 'no other beings', or what? If every other dimensional being is part of the controlling scheme, then what does that make us? I dunno, I believe there are imposters and that identities have been stolen. Y'know, by a collective consciousness which wants to control every aspect, maybe? So they have taken all the names of power and use them as their own. They've made a 'shadow reality' which mimics actual reality and through it imitate all of the positive spirits. That doesn't mean the real positive spirit don't exist too, you just have to push through and illuminate the shadow.

This whole "Universal Mind Matrix" thing is just a created bubble that you DON'T have to stay in. You'll just keep building bigger and bigger and bigger until you don't know what to do. Just scrap it all, man, then you can see what is really going on. I'm not saying this just flippantly. Do you want to counter their technology? This is how you do it. Spoken from experience. Destroy the reality you think is there.

It's just an implant. The illusion they've wrapped around you is that their technology is more powerful than you are, which is not true.

Ok, what I mean when I say the gray, the reptilian, the demon, the angel, and the Nordic are all one and the same is that extraterrestrials are multidimensional beings. And they operate along multiple dimensions and densities. At the the higher frequency planes and dimensions, they are light beings or angels. They can lower their energies to lower frequency dimensional bands and project as dark entities or demons. In the image below, note the demon half of the entity on the left and the angelic half on the right. The image is metaphorically telling you that the Demon and the Angel are one and the same.

That's why all of the ET/angelic groups such as Lyrans, Pleiadians, Arcturians, Sirians, etc., are referred to as Energy groups. Some are master geneticists, they are able to take on geneticaly engineered human forms which are what the Nordics and MIB (Men in Black) are. They can also 'possess' normal humans.

Their gray alien forms are merely highly engineered android bodies designed to sustain entrophic conditions during deep space travel. Often while their humanoid forms lie in stasis.

This is why I don't really buy the whole negative entity thing. The idea behind good entites and bad entities is exactly what they want you to think. These entities represent both 'polarity' and 'unity.' Just as the gestalt intelligence Ra speaks about. I think they want us to think that there are these two camps of beings which is consistent with our dualistic reality. Now, I'm not saying that their aren't any negative entities at all. But what I am saying is that there aren't any negative enties interacting with us that those at the higher realms, such as Archangels, Ascended Masters, and Geomantic Entities such as the Ra Confederacy can't control. Often what appears to be negative beings are just "celestial beings" masquerading as demons.

I remember reading a quote from the Archangel Michael that said "we of the higher realms have infinitely more power than those in the lower realms. The dark ones are no match to our firepower." So obviously, it's all a game. Perhaps for our spiritual development or perhaps they use the "dark" as a cloak to hide behind to carry out some of their dark 3rd density agendas. Such as abductions, implants, DNA harvesting, demonic possession, etc.

All is divine, all is God, and unity is divinity

[Dante776]

Do you want to counter their technology? This is how you do it. Spoken from experience. Destroy the reality you think is there.

It's just an implant. The illusion they've wrapped around you is that their technology is more powerful than you are, which is not true.

Let me ask you something? Indulge me for a moment. What if I were a hologram and I had my hand wrapped tightly around the back of your neck 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year? No one else can see this hulking figure with it's hand gripped around your neck but you know it's there causing you a great deal of consternation and suffering. You try praying it off of you, you try cursing at it, fighting it, screaming at it and even slapping and punching at it only to find that your beating and bruising your own neck and upper back.

You try banishing rituals, summoning angels, incantations, consulting with psychics, angelic contactees, healers, shamans, all to no avail. After a while you realize that unless the technology that is being used to debilitate you is removed somehow, such as implants, there is not much that you can do accept to keep on doing all the above (minus the slapping and punching) in hopes that sooner or later you will prevail.

Now, should I fault YOU for not being able to get this big bad nasty hulking figure off your back? Or should I find the holographic entity that is oppressing you at fault? I think this is the point that some people are missing. This story is just an analogy to say that it's easy to say what someone should or shouldn't do from the outside. I can't remove implants and people who claim to be able to remove implants haven't been able to remove them either. I have managed to pull out a few crystalline implants that were just under the surface of my skin but there are those that are deeper that even the best doctors in the world wouldn't know how to remove. Only the beings that put them there know how to remove them.

I think the issue here is largely believability. If you don't know or believe that certain entities are using such devices on people like our friend Coordinate_Apotheosis, then you'll never see it from the vantage point of the aggrieved person. 

[Aion]

Well first off, you seem to be referring to all of this in reference to New Age and E/T styled channelers, but the concept of angels and demons is much older than all that. Second, I can buy what you are saying about a particular group or entity, but what you seem to imply is this is ALL there is, and I just don't think that is the case. For example, what about other deities such as in other pantheons and religions? What about all the forms of spirituality which have nothing to do with extra-terrestrials?

Third, I know I've already said it, but I'm not really concerned with blame either way, I just want to alleviate suffering whenever possible. However I do get the sense that this has been a particular point of grievance for you since it is one you continue to respond strongly to. I assure you my advice is not intended as any sort of blame game but is only according to my understanding of how to work upon such foreign installations. I have seen and experienced fantastical things, the universe is a strange place. Do not mistake my belief that you might be able to do something about it for blaming you for your condition. I know you were just illustrating a point, but to be clear.

Like I said before, I believe there is a group of imposters, a gestalt intelligence as you call it, that mimics and steals the identities of other entities for its own use. I can tell you it is very frustrating to be so highly misrepresented. Note, I'm not saying "positive" and "negative" or "good and evil", my description here of imposters is that of deception. Consider that in light of what you have said.

Anyways, I guess you're just f***** then, eh? I can understand how you'd be exasperated.

I could always take a whack at it and see if I can do anything for your situation, but I'm not sure there'd be any point without some confidence in the attempt.

As an example, your quote from 'Michael' there. Maybe it's an entity using the name of Michael and masquerading as such in order to lead the individuals in to a false sense of security with such absolute messages? Just because an entity gives a name, doesn't mean it is the entity you think or expect it to be. Even 'Ra' says if you want to have power over an entity you use its name.