Law of One or Satan's Harvest?

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Well, I bid you good luck Dante.  I thought a quarantine kept such entities from directly interfering with us with their own technologies including crafts and equipment of a highly sophisticated mannerism.  Perhaps I am playing your game, I quit lol


I personally just view these 'entities' as another part of life metaphysically.


I can't say I've ever had a psychic greeting and my own initiation was honestly free of issue.   It was my own self that ended it, my own self that didn't believe I was good enough to be a healer.

Whether or not it was a darkness that affected me externally I find is moot.  Everything we experience is through our perceptions of our mind, so even if an invisible spirit is putting thoughts in my head, they are my thoughts in my own filter of a mind.  Even if it makes me rage, it is my rage,  and even if it fills me with a want to kill, it is my murderous desire.

Overall,  responsibility of our selves, if not emotional and thought responsibility, is what makes us say 'they made me do it' vs 'I did it because I lost control'.

And I can speak very personally on this matter of lacking self control,  if you own up to it, things get better.

I find it a somewhat unfair assessment that the darkness is so encumbered with restrictions while light mainly is free to do as it wills.  In many ways I don't believe fair is a proper descriptor of self aware life at all.  The planet was fair with life until self aware entities took residence, then 'life isn't fair' became the norm,  when it simply is not true.

It's US who are unfair.  We who say what is right and wrong then judge and condemn and call it justice are the ironic source of our own miseries.

I hope one day, I won't need to be a part of this 'duality'.  It is very disturbing, and very painful to be a part of.  No one is right or wrong,  we're all just selfish (sto) and selfless  (sts) and pretending to be selfless (sto) and selfish (sts) and calling it a spiritual path.

I find the labels tiresome, I find my own labelling tiresome.

If there is a darkness haunting you, Dante, I send it my understanding and love but withhold it too, as if to say, I just want you to know... That's all, good bye now.

Because I'm tired of everything needing to be hurt or repelled or mistreated for a specific outcome.  The futility of a true unconditional love is very despairing.  If you provide it, it hurts a being,  how is unconditional love that hurts another have the means to be called such?  
And yet to withhold it and not hurt one is to become hurt.

Doesn't anyone ever look at it all and question how these things can be called such?

God's, monsters, lovers, haters, healers, humans, we're all the same, so why would we partake in such violent love towards each other?

After a while, it kind of loses its meaning.  Somedays I almost feel like I'm the only person in this planet that feels so deeply about these 'basic truths' like death being intertwined with survival.  Darkness being lost light.  Madness being played as sanity.

I don't know how,  but I try to believe that underneath it all, there is no light or dark or fullness or emptiness,  just...  Something that makes experiencing all of this...

Worthwhile.

[smc]

There have been entities swimming around this site for ages, but it is pretty normal when someone has such entity attachments that those entities will inevitably be felt in some format or other through their communications. I view it as the opportunity to take action.

oh ... yes definitely... for a long time - but there's comments in this thread that are specific enough - that it's relevant/useful to state it clearly.
And yes - that's (one way) of "taking action".

[Aion]

Well, I bid you good luck Dante.  I thought a quarantine kept such entities from directly interfering with us with their own technologies including crafts and equipment of a highly sophisticated mannerism.  Perhaps I am playing your game, I quit lol


I personally just view these 'entities' as another part of life metaphysically.


I can't say I've ever had a psychic greeting and my own initiation was honestly free of issue.   It was my own self that ended it, my own self that didn't believe I was good enough to be a healer.

Whether or not it was a darkness that affected me externally I find is moot.  Everything we experience is through our perceptions of our mind, so even if an invisible spirit is putting thoughts in my head, they are my thoughts in my own filter of a mind.  Even if it makes me rage, it is my rage,  and even if it fills me with a want to kill, it is my murderous desire.

Overall,  responsibility of our selves, if not emotional and thought responsibility, is what makes us say 'they made me do it' vs 'I did it because I lost control'.

And I can speak very personally on this matter of lacking self control,  if you own up to it, things get better.

I find it a somewhat unfair assessment that the darkness is so encumbered with restrictions while light mainly is free to do as it wills.  In many ways I don't believe fair is a proper descriptor of self aware life at all.  The planet was fair with life until self aware entities took residence, then 'life isn't fair' became the norm,  when it simply is not true.

It's US who are unfair.  We who say what is right and wrong then judge and condemn and call it justice are the ironic source of our own miseries.

I hope one day, I won't need to be a part of this 'duality'.  It is very disturbing, and very painful to be a part of.  No one is right or wrong,  we're all just selfish (sto) and selfless  (sts) and pretending to be selfless (sto) and selfish (sts) and calling it a spiritual path.

I find the labels tiresome, I find my own labelling tiresome.

If there is a darkness haunting you, Dante, I send it my understanding and love but withhold it too, as if to say, I just want you to know... That's all, good bye now.

Because I'm tired of everything needing to be hurt or repelled or mistreated for a specific outcome.  The futility of a true unconditional love is very despairing.  If you provide it, it hurts a being,  how is unconditional love that hurts another have the means to be called such?  
And yet to withhold it and not hurt one is to become hurt.

Doesn't anyone ever look at it all and question how these things can be called such?

God's, monsters, lovers, haters, healers, humans, we're all the same, so why would we partake in such violent love towards each other?

After a while, it kind of loses its meaning.  Somedays I almost feel like I'm the only person in this planet that feels so deeply about these 'basic truths' like death being intertwined with survival.  Darkness being lost light.  Madness being played as sanity.

I don't know how,  but I try to believe that underneath it all, there is no light or dark or fullness or emptiness,  just...  Something that makes experiencing all of this...

Worthwhile.

*holds up a mirror*

Everybody has to find their own way to cope with the nature of physical reality. Just because people don't talk about it nonstop doesn't mean nobody has addressed these issues within themselves.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Oh no, I'm not talking about just physical reality,  I am talking of the whole octave just about, and perhaps more if such conditions persist.

For instance, the 'wars in heaven' in 4D.  The 5D ability to assault 3D beings.

Violence is not retained to physical reality, I just wish things were more peaceful.

[smc]

^j^

Dante, I don't believe it's a matter of mental illness as much as a matter of mind over matter...Or in this case, mind over spirit.

I think you should notice when you're being manipulated and override it in mind.

Easier said than done. Especially when we are talking about beings that have advanced technologies that we can not comprehend. I think you are missing this point. It's not just mind over matter or mind over spirit. It's science over matter (call it magic if you want). And they have that advantage.

I also wouldn't subscribe to any system,  I personally just take what seems actual or as I say: True And Real, and just run with it.  I do not believe in demons, only spirits.  I don't even believe in most magic. Hell, I call science magic.

It doesn't matter whether you call them demons, spirits, angels, or aliens. They are all the same thing.

I understand the concept of STO people of a high caliber attracting dark attention.   I even think in some ways the 5D entity in the Ra Material was an entity belonging to Ra.

I however question the validity of it all.  I suggest you should question it all too.  Re-examine what you believe so doubtlessly to be true.

Also, and I thought of this in regards to Carla's situation,  but have you ever thought of just taking a break from being of service to others?  If it has given you such torment, why do you persist??

What is the drive to do so endlessly to death?  You're human man.  Grab some lemonade, sit back, read a good book, I recommend Hatchet.  Take a break, tell the stuff messing with you to go play in traffic because you're not bothering with it's insanity for now.

Waste their time, if you've done as much sto work as you say then you've polarized enough to merit a break.

I suggest you take the universe's suggestions to (temporarily) cease and desist and just enjoy yourself!

Wow! Lot's of You's here. Listen, there's nothing I'm doing wrong! Everything you're positing here is pretty much common sense. I'm not suicidal, I'm not drinking and drugging myself to death, I don't kick the dog or take this out on anyone. In fact if you saw me, you would never know that this was happening to me. There are many people that are 'quietly possessed.' It doesn't mean they accept it. They just deal with it privately and not wear it on their sleeve. Others end up being a total wreck (although I will admit that I have had my moments).
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Just saw your new post.  I think it's curious that you believe a divine dark entity is focusing on you but not a divine good entity.

Note that word, Believe, you believe in a lack of light overlooking you. Would this belief not be empowering to darkness?

I think your twisting my words. I never said anything about a divine dark entity focusing on me. I have referred to this in other posts as multidimensional beings, Cosmic Mind Matrix, or Cosmic Logos that are behind this polarity matrix that we exist in.  

Note also your belief in omnipotence.

I do not believe in omnipotence.  I believe in omniscience. Omnipresence. Many omni's, but not potency. Omnipotence is a fun illusion for the creative being to play with.   I am omnipotent, especially as an artist, a writer, a dungeon master, an author.  I am not omnipotent as a physical being and I promise you no other being is either.   They are stories for fear and control,  omnipotence is a fantasy.

My belief in omnipotence?! I didn't know omnipotence was a belief. I just thought it was a word. I think you get too caught up in word play/semantics. Focus on what I'm saying. All I am saying is that if there are these 'light beings' that you reference, then I'm sure that they have enough awareness (if that is an acceptable word), to know what is going on here.

Darkness is of its self the greatest fantasy, our collective human fascination with violence and horror and conflict in purely fiction is a potential proof of this.  We are fascinated with what is not.

Consider this, scientifically there is no such thing as 'darkness', there is only a less intensity of light.

So next time your faced with 'darkness' and 'negativity', there is hidden Light and positivity to be observed.

For all the dark forces do to conceal themselves, they are actually trying to hide from themselves their own light.  We are all mirrors. Darkness, in a mirror, sees light.

Hence their propensity to concealment.

Humans are no different,  where we realize our evil we try to rectify it with good to points of being irrational.  Hitler thought he was doing good.

Don't play with delusions of darkness.  It's a rabbit hole of the shadow self into places unimaginable but awaiting to be imagined, the dark potential real but still not real.

It's weird how it all goes...  And it relies solely on your focus.

Focus on this gestalts true nature, it's light, don't play the game of darkness it clouds itself within like the freshly aware Demiurge found itself shrouded from all others and seemed it's self the only divine.

Don't play those games.  Don't believe in them.

There's a better way, and I hope that you find it.  Focus on The Truth.

Thanks, but you're preaching to the quire here. You're basically making my argument. I argue that all of these beings are the same. They just operate at different frequency levels and dimensions. The higher the frequency or dimension, the lighter they are. The lower the dimension or frequency, the darker they are. It is a game of illusion that multidimensional beings like to play on us in 3D.

Again, I think you guys need to take a different approach. There is nothing wrong with ME! Other than this external force or power that is far more advanced than you or I. To acknowledge this does NOT mean I'm giving it anything! There's a reason that they call it 'possession' you know. This isn't something you can just imagine away. That's delusional!

This discussion would be more productive if we talk about ways that WE ALL can avoid the pitfalls and perils of 3rd density games played on us by advanced beings. That's what I'm trying to do. I appreciate your advice, but I'm not just making this about ME.

but it IS all about you

and we're already replying to you discussing "ways that WE ALL can avoid the pitfalls and perils of 3rd density games played on us by advanced beings."

so this is where I begin to consider we may not be speaking with you - but maybe the 'entity'... because you've just described 'your' agenda for discussion here... to focus on the "pitfalls and perils"

in fact why didn't we give consideration to this from the first time you mentioned that it can take over your body movements (?)

at this point you're getting people to repeatedly post the same advice (in different sentence structures...) and it's now feeling vampiric...

what's YOUR solution if ours isn't useful for you?
nb: because if your answer is that you don't have a solution but you want to repeatedly post about the perils and pitfalls... that speaks to your agenda/energy state quite clearly

that's why I posted Carla's advice

- what you focus on you create more of...

- over and out.

^j^

[Aion]

Oh no, I'm not talking about just physical reality,  I am talking of the whole octave just about, and perhaps more if such conditions persist.

For instance, the 'wars in heaven' in 4D.  The 5D ability to assault 3D beings.

Violence is not retained to physical reality, I just wish things were more peaceful.

Everything in its own time. There is plenty of peace in the universe. Not everything is plagued by war. Just seems that way when you are in it.

[GentleWanderer]

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[Dante776]

^j^

Dante, I don't believe it's a matter of mental illness as much as a matter of mind over matter...Or in this case, mind over spirit.

I think you should notice when you're being manipulated and override it in mind.

Easier said than done. Especially when we are talking about beings that have advanced technologies that we can not comprehend. I think you are missing this point. It's not just mind over matter or mind over spirit. It's science over matter (call it magic if you want). And they have that advantage.

I also wouldn't subscribe to any system,  I personally just take what seems actual or as I say: True And Real, and just run with it.  I do not believe in demons, only spirits.  I don't even believe in most magic. Hell, I call science magic.

It doesn't matter whether you call them demons, spirits, angels, or aliens. They are all the same thing.

I understand the concept of STO people of a high caliber attracting dark attention.   I even think in some ways the 5D entity in the Ra Material was an entity belonging to Ra.

I however question the validity of it all.  I suggest you should question it all too.  Re-examine what you believe so doubtlessly to be true.

Also, and I thought of this in regards to Carla's situation,  but have you ever thought of just taking a break from being of service to others?  If it has given you such torment, why do you persist??

What is the drive to do so endlessly to death?  You're human man.  Grab some lemonade, sit back, read a good book, I recommend Hatchet.  Take a break, tell the stuff messing with you to go play in traffic because you're not bothering with it's insanity for now.

Waste their time, if you've done as much sto work as you say then you've polarized enough to merit a break.

I suggest you take the universe's suggestions to (temporarily) cease and desist and just enjoy yourself!

Wow! Lot's of You's here. Listen, there's nothing I'm doing wrong! Everything you're positing here is pretty much common sense. I'm not suicidal, I'm not drinking and drugging myself to death, I don't kick the dog or take this out on anyone. In fact if you saw me, you would never know that this was happening to me. There are many people that are 'quietly possessed.' It doesn't mean they accept it. They just deal with it privately and not wear it on their sleeve. Others end up being a total wreck (although I will admit that I have had my moments).
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Just saw your new post.  I think it's curious that you believe a divine dark entity is focusing on you but not a divine good entity.

Note that word, Believe, you believe in a lack of light overlooking you. Would this belief not be empowering to darkness?

I think your twisting my words. I never said anything about a divine dark entity focusing on me. I have referred to this in other posts as multidimensional beings, Cosmic Mind Matrix, or Cosmic Logos that are behind this polarity matrix that we exist in.  

Note also your belief in omnipotence.

I do not believe in omnipotence.  I believe in omniscience. Omnipresence. Many omni's, but not potency. Omnipotence is a fun illusion for the creative being to play with.   I am omnipotent, especially as an artist, a writer, a dungeon master, an author.  I am not omnipotent as a physical being and I promise you no other being is either.   They are stories for fear and control,  omnipotence is a fantasy.

My belief in omnipotence?! I didn't know omnipotence was a belief. I just thought it was a word. I think you get too caught up in word play/semantics. Focus on what I'm saying. All I am saying is that if there are these 'light beings' that you reference, then I'm sure that they have enough awareness (if that is an acceptable word), to know what is going on here.

Darkness is of its self the greatest fantasy, our collective human fascination with violence and horror and conflict in purely fiction is a potential proof of this.  We are fascinated with what is not.

Consider this, scientifically there is no such thing as 'darkness', there is only a less intensity of light.

So next time your faced with 'darkness' and 'negativity', there is hidden Light and positivity to be observed.

For all the dark forces do to conceal themselves, they are actually trying to hide from themselves their own light.  We are all mirrors. Darkness, in a mirror, sees light.

Hence their propensity to concealment.

Humans are no different,  where we realize our evil we try to rectify it with good to points of being irrational.  Hitler thought he was doing good.

Don't play with delusions of darkness.  It's a rabbit hole of the shadow self into places unimaginable but awaiting to be imagined, the dark potential real but still not real.

It's weird how it all goes...  And it relies solely on your focus.

Focus on this gestalts true nature, it's light, don't play the game of darkness it clouds itself within like the freshly aware Demiurge found itself shrouded from all others and seemed it's self the only divine.

Don't play those games.  Don't believe in them.

There's a better way, and I hope that you find it.  Focus on The Truth.

Thanks, but you're preaching to the quire here. You're basically making my argument. I argue that all of these beings are the same. They just operate at different frequency levels and dimensions. The higher the frequency or dimension, the lighter they are. The lower the dimension or frequency, the darker they are. It is a game of illusion that multidimensional beings like to play on us in 3D.

Again, I think you guys need to take a different approach. There is nothing wrong with ME! Other than this external force or power that is far more advanced than you or I. To acknowledge this does NOT mean I'm giving it anything! There's a reason that they call it 'possession' you know. This isn't something you can just imagine away. That's delusional!

This discussion would be more productive if we talk about ways that WE ALL can avoid the pitfalls and perils of 3rd density games played on us by advanced beings. That's what I'm trying to do. I appreciate your advice, but I'm not just making this about ME.

but it IS all about you

and we're already replying to you discussing "ways that WE ALL can avoid the pitfalls and perils of 3rd density games played on us by advanced beings."

so this is where I begin to consider we may not be speaking with you - but maybe the 'entity'... because you've just described 'your' agenda for discussion here... to focus on the "pitfalls and perils" --> Agenda? Please lady, give me a break!

in fact why didn't we give consideration to this from the first time you mentioned that it can take over your body movements (?) --> I did mention this in other posts. Is it my fault that you didn't see it?

at this point you're getting people to repeatedly post the same advice (in different sentence structures...) and it's now feeling vampiric... --> That's their prerogative.

what's YOUR solution if ours isn't useful for you? --> We've discussed this already. Now you're being repetitive. Go back and read the previous posts in this thread.
nb: because if your answer is that you don't have a solution but you want to repeatedly post about the perils and pitfalls... that speaks to your agenda/energy state quite clearly  

that's why I posted Carla's advice --> Thanks.

- what you focus on you create more of...

- over and out.

^j^

You know, I think your simply looking for an 'ax to grind' with someone. You probably don't realize you're doing this. Maybe that's the demons that are in you that is causing this. Your're the only one out of several thousand viewers that seem to have a problem with my posts. No matter what I say you will find something negative to say about it.

You give the readers of this forum advice to avoid some of the perils and pitfalls you encountered earlier in life. Why is there a problem with someone else doing this? Again, maybe you're not aware of what you are doing, but you come off as being very combative and desirous of prevailing in a 'war of words' rather than the 'love and light' that you often profess.

Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way. So, if I'm wrong Bring4th community, forgive me. But that's the energy that you give off to me. I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY SMC!! And trust me, I am far more composed and in control of MY MIND AND THOUGHTS than you could ever be under the same circumstances. God bless!

[isis]

Is there anything that can be done to change these dynamics because I feel like I am just being used by cosmic beings to achieve their agenda at my life’s expense?

Maybe not!
Maybe it's needed and will fall away when it's not.

Sorry about your luck and I hope it gets better.

[Dante776]

Is there anything that can be done to change these dynamics because I feel like I am just being used by cosmic beings to achieve their agenda at my life’s expense?

Maybe not!
Maybe it's needed and will fall away when it's not.

Sorry about your luck and I hope it gets better.

Thanks Isis. That's very encouraging.

[Aion]

I will also admit that I agree that all those "Confederation" sources including the Ra Material are 'infected' with the same egregore that has been having a ball driving people all sorts of insane. You're not alone.

I know this a bit off topic. Can you explain more about the Ra material being infected be an egregore ? Ra's and confederation sources are said to be one of the most pure we have.

Oh someone did catch that.

It is true they are usually consider pure, but by whom? What is the standard of 'purity'? Pure in what way? Usually it comes from the channelers themselves, sometimes is in the channeling itself, but typically it stems from the individuals who are impacted by it and in their desire to have something 'concrete' latch on to this idea of purity. It is the same thinking that attaches people to the Bible or the Koran or any other body of spiritual knowledge. The fact that this 'purity' is highly defended in any situation in which the material is brought in to doubt or question gives me lots of suspicious impressions. It is people defending their 'holy book'.

Now of course you'll note that there are plenty of seekers who HAVE benefited from the philosophy and made much positivity out of it. So what exactly is going on here, right?

The problem is that there is this New Age philosophy that goes, only the message matters but not the messenger, and I think that's dangerous and stupid. "Free Candy!" is a very positive idea and message but not if it's coming from a pedophile, you dig? So I have an issue with people looking at the words of the material and saying it has a 'pure philosophy', whatever that even means. The whole concept of unity is not new, even in the material this is said. So if it's not unique information, why does everyone believe this source is so 'pure'? What's all this obsession with 'purity' anyways?

One of the ideas that's common around channeling is the fact that you might not always get the same entity, so the purpose behind rituals and protocols is to try and make sure you're always getting the same source. Along with this is the idea that imposters can get in there and mess with the message. Usually I think this is seen as a 'one at a time' kind of deal, but actually you can have a person who is channeling TWO or more currents which together produce the stream of thought. The idea of purity usually means consistently getting the same source. Now that is true for the Ra Material if you consider that it was likely mixed from the very beginning. It's just a poor standard to measure the value of a source in and of itself though. The other issue being that they actually didn't start with a protocol and Ra was the one who gave more basic tools to call them, and they weren't consistent, so I'm not lead to believe the contact was either. People say the message is pure, but really, they cherry pick and ignore the parts they 'don't resonate' with. Again, part of the New Age philosophy. You see how there seems to be some complimentary systems in place here?

So, in regards to the Ra Material, I think that is what happened. I think that there were many points in the material where this happened, if not throughout the whole thing. When I scry and perceive the material metaphysically it appears as two currents tightly interwoven, so unified as to be barely distinguishable. The one is a bright, perhaps 'pure' light as it were, and the other is like thick black inky oil. They strangely act like oil and water, they're not actually mixing, just so tightly bound together. So, I think that when people read the material they actually take on both of these currents. I think that the nature of the energy is to try and keep you in 'the light' and unaware of the destructive current. That is the allure.

There is also this idea that 'deep trance' channeling also known as mediumship is 'more pure' than that of conscious channeling. This is kind of a silly idea in my eyes since mediumship is a more unconscious process. In the eyes of old magic it is much more likely you will get a demon or imposter with unconscious channeling because you go backwards in to the Lower Self, the Nephesh and animal soul. Carla always described herself as 'going to stay with Ra' while Ra would come and speak through her body, so Ra was really in control the whole time. There were also the times when Carla would think of Ra or that they would answer and question and find herself slipping out of her body. Then she was told not to meditate on her own lest she come under attack. They didn't even start using a protection ritual until halfway through. Now of course, in the material itself the argument is given that the purity of the harmony of the group is to account for their apparent 'strength'. So were they messing with something that was beyond their abilities to handle? Ra offers explanations but no explanations for the explanations. The Ra Material ended up being the thing that BROKE the harmony of the group, doesn't anyone find that weird? Ra essentially gave them the ultimatum that they can either give up on the channeling to 'stop the attacks' or to continue ahead at their own peril. However in that it is insinuated that by giving up the channeling that they would be giving up their service to others. However, prepared to risk life and limb for 'purity' they forged ahead. It was in the most beautiful of spirits and love, but I really think they were mislead.

Anyways, I think that people who either have a large shadow or perhaps have done a lot of shadow work I think are more likely to pick up on the dark side because it will resonate more. Which is why I think we have some people who have an incredibly dark experience from the Ra Material, they tapped in to the negative current.

Think about it, "Ra" says they are not of the love or of the light. They define themselves as of unity. Now one might ask, why didn't Ra ever say anything or mention this? Except they did. The whole episode with the 5th Density being. I think that this entity was well aware of and acting towards the group before they ever even started the Ra Material.

So, on the one hand, yes, there is a very bright and pure light in the material for those fortunate enough to tap in to it, but that's not all that's there. I think actually the virtue of the Light had nothing to do with Ra either. This probably isn't going tobe happy to hear but I think that Carla herself was the current of Light and the "Ra" was actually the black current. It's Carla's light that shines through the material, not that of Ra. I'll be totally honest I have a strong suspicion that "Ra" and the 5th Density Negative friend were one and the same entity. That is probably balking for some to consider, but after much examination I am fairly certain. It 'piggybacked' on Carla's loving energy so when people perceived it they would get that blast of love and feel it is coming from "Ra".

I can say this because I met Carla, I worked with her energy and exchanged energy with her. The Light that is in the material is hers.

If you ask me, everyone would benefit more from learning about Carla and reading her works than studying the Ra Material. I think she (or maybe Don) kind of put Ra up on a pedestal and never realized it was really her doing it all along. If anyone in the situation is a true exemplar of a spiritual life, it is Carla, not Ra.

The reasons Carla and the others had for pursuing the Ra Material are more important than anything in the Ra Material.

[Night Owl]

This has been my impression from the start as well. Although I think the parasite's purpose is to attract those that need healing the most. The nature of reality is so that the clearest light will cast the darkest of shadow. They are in truth unified. Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

I would also agree that conscious channeling can be just as effective, maybe even more effective at times. It all comes down to clarity of intentions in both cases.

[Dante776]

Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=14875

[Aion]

Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=14875

Yes, but why do you trust what Ra says?

I'd like to throw down this quote:

68.17 Questioner: I am interested in how the first distortion applies to the negatively polarized entity misplacing the mind/body/spirit complex. Why is the negatively polarized entity followed to the place of negative time/space? Why would one of us freely follow the entity?

Ra: I am Ra. The positive polarity sees love in all things. The negative polarity is clever.

And I've always noticed this...

The entity of Orion pierces the same violet ray and moves to two places to attempt most of its non-physical opportunities. It activates the green-ray energy center while further blocking indigo-ray energy center. This combination causes confusion in the instrument and subsequent over-activity in unwise proportions in physical complex workings. It simply seeks out the distortions pre-incarnatively programmed and developed in incarnative state.

[Dante776]

Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=14875

Yes, but why do you trust what Ra says?

I don't necessarily 'trust' what Ra says. I take the same position that you do regarding Ra. But since this is a forum dedicated to LOO/Ra material, I am making my assertion from that center. Nonetheless, I still say that no one 'seeks' this type of experience unless they are a practicing 'black' magician or something. Which I certainly am not.

[Aion]

Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=14875

Yes, but why do you trust what Ra says?

I don't necessarily 'trust' what Ra says. I take the same position that you do regarding Ra. But since this is a forum dedicated to LOO/Ra material, I am making my assertion from that center. Nonetheless, I still say that no one 'seeks' this type of experience unless they are a practicing 'black' magician or something. Which I certainly am not.

Oh for sure, and I know the type. You don't come across as being like that. I think you were taken advantage of in a time when you were open. You're not the first one besides myself I know to have it happen either. They attack children, it's pretty f***** up.

[Dante776]

Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=14875

Yes, but why do you trust what Ra says?

I don't necessarily 'trust' what Ra says. I take the same position that you do regarding Ra. But since this is a forum dedicated to LOO/Ra material, I am making my assertion from that center. Nonetheless, I still say that no one 'seeks' this type of experience unless they are a practicing 'black' magician or something. Which I certainly am not.

Oh for sure, and I know the type. You don't come across as being like that. I think you were taken advantage of in a time when you were open. You're not the first one besides myself I know to have it happen either. They attack children, it's pretty f***** up.

Yes, but you've also made the point that it's often pre-birth soul agreements at work. That's a different kind of entanglement all together.

[Night Owl]

Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=14875

The conscious and subconscious mind are only a portion of the mind. Attraction happens on a deeper level than what the mind can consciously contain. This is the principle of catalyst. If you take Ra's words for it, then you should know how that works. Only it is also not new to the Law of One. This is a spiritual principle that is found in many spiritual philosophy for a long time. It happens on an energetical level. It belongs to the realm of duality.

It appears to me like in the link you provide, you focus a lot on external control. The source of control however is not external, it is internal. The external realm is that of projection. For an external entity to exerce control over you, it needs to pick up on internal control. It is a bit like tuning to a radio station that talks about control and blaming the broadcasted ideas for how they control you. Thoughts of control are all around all the time. Whether you tune in to them or not is up to you. Again if you pick up on Ra's words, that is how freewill is protected here.

For an entity to simply take control, you would need to have that same power within you and focus it externally. For someone who focus the will on the love at all times, this is not a concern. The intentions you hold towards yourself will guide how external intentions will act towards you. That's why it's best you give yourself some slack and allow yourself to breathe and relax, take it easy. It is not possible to control how others tune in to their own intentions towards themselves. That can only lead to much pain, it is simply asking too much of others to be benevolent to themselves all the time because we live into a world where dark energy exist and we just pick up on it. If freedom is what you are after, focusing on your intentions can get you closer to it. It just needs to be 'allowed'. If others end up enslaving themselves with the same material, the source of the problem is not the material itself, it merely act as a tool for the will. The LOO is indeed not a 100% clear crystal message, that I agree, but it is possible to focus on what matters, the intention. Again it's all up to the freewill of the individual.

[earth_spirit]

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[Aion]

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=14875

Yes, but why do you trust what Ra says?

I don't necessarily 'trust' what Ra says. I take the same position that you do regarding Ra. But since this is a forum dedicated to LOO/Ra material, I am making my assertion from that center. Nonetheless, I still say that no one 'seeks' this type of experience unless they are a practicing 'black' magician or something. Which I certainly am not.

Oh for sure, and I know the type. You don't come across as being like that. I think you were taken advantage of in a time when you were open. You're not the first one besides myself I know to have it happen either. They attack children, it's pretty f***** up.

Yes, but you've also made the point that it's often pre-birth soul agreements at work. That's a different kind of entanglement all together.

When did I ever make that point? I think that there are some things that are in your 'tapestry' but it's not set in place. I do believe that beings, especially families of beings will incarnate together and make agreements. I even think that sometimes there are arrangements between positive and negative but I think these are actually probably pretty uncommon. No, the whole point behind the concept of 'infringement of free will' is that the individual is tricked, manipulated or mislead.

I mean sure, we can always talk about those lofty levels of unity where everything is coordinated, but that's not fruitful thinking on this plane in my experience.

There are different theories I have as to this whole thing. I know a story, too long to renumerate here, but from the very early periods of this planet there was a corruption of pain that took place and this planet has been trying to resolve it ever since. There is a being that wants others to feel its pain and so it pushes out and enforces these negative realities.

One thing though is that there has been developed on the negative side highly sophisticated magical technology which they use to manipulate the life-plans of individuals. That's one of the reasons I think they have been so ruthless on this planet is they have literally figured out a way to rewrite peoples' tapestries by introducing new pathways that weren't originally put there by the individual's total self. It's insidious, really. I have learned how to dispel these 'dark threads of fate' and ways to strengthen one's own tapestry but it is challenging, they are woven across the planet like vast spider webs.

[Dante776]

Yes, but you've also made the point that it's often pre-birth soul agreements at work. That's a different kind of entanglement all together.

When did I ever make that point?

In PM.

One thing though is that there has been developed on the negative side highly sophisticated magical technology which they use to manipulate the life-plans of individuals. That's one of the reasons I think they have been so ruthless on this planet is they have literally figured out a way to rewrite peoples' tapestries by introducing new pathways that weren't originally put there by the individual's total self. It's insidious, really. I have learned how to dispel these 'dark threads of fate' and ways to strengthen one's own tapestry but it is challenging, they are woven across the planet like vast spider webs.

Man, you really hit the nail on the head with this one!!!  :idea:

[Aion]

Even more annoying was I at one point manage to destroy these 'dark fates', but they were recreated and improved upon. I haven't been able to affect them the same way since, I can only dispel their threads where-ever possible. I don't think destruction will be able to do it. I think what has to happen is for individuals to be drawn and called to their true tapestry, I think that is the work of really positive workers.

[Sprout]

When you are traumatized you either can learn and heal, or pass it on to traumatize others. So I ask you now, if you claim that no one would wish this, why do you try to scare us?

[Dante776]

Even more annoying was I at one point manage to destroy these 'dark fates', but they were recreated and improved upon. I haven't been able to affect them the same way since, I can only dispel their threads where-ever possible. I don't think destruction will be able to do it. I think what has to happen is for individuals to be drawn and called to their true tapestry, I think that is the work of really positive workers.

I know that this is beyond most people's believability threshold. But, there is a reason why I posted a black helicopter hovering above a home in the 'Law of One and Targeted Individuals' post. Because that is precisely what has happened in my case. This all started when these choppers would circle my home. This would go on periodically for months. Sometimes the chopper would come so close to my home that it felt like it was landing on my roof. They were doing some kind of 'targeted' programming on me from the chopper. Still happens from time to time. Here's the rub though! I do not think these are humans. Remember, certain beings can take on human form. Perhaps it's the Orion group, the Lizzies, Zetans, who knows for sure? The entities that are attached to me are always claiming them as their own. So, go figure.

I believe, no I'm fairly certain, that this is all part of the same phenomenon that you are referring to regarding beings with highly sophisticated magical technology (the Greys are said to have sophisticated 4th dimensional technology). Perhaps they are coming out of Area 51 or some other secret hidden D.U.M.BS. I believe these are aliens that operate clandestinely within our reality, often right under our noses. And I believe they operate at different levels of multidimensionality, from 3D, 4D, 5D, 6D and beyond. That's why I can't just flat out accept Night Owl's claims that this is something that only occurs internally. That may be true in some cases, but I know from first hand experience that it is often far more complex than that. I believe that they use both 'internal' and 'external' controls.

[Dante776]

When you are traumatized you either can learn and heal, or pass it on to traumatize others. So I ask you now, if you claim that no one would wish this, why do you try to scare us?

You need to read all of the posts in this thread. Not just the last few. I've already stated that I think people should be aware of all of the ramifications of spiritual phenomenon. Especially when we are dealing with information from 'channeled' extraterrestrial sources. Even the Ra material deals with fourth-density negative entities, so I don't see where I'm out of line. We're simply sharing our knowledge and 'personal' experiences, that's all. Now, if you're so easily scaaaared, I'm sorry! Look the other way or just read the love and light stuff. You don't have to indulge in this if you choose not to. No harm, no foul. Take care.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

I think Sprout's point was you live by a fear based version of your own spirituality belief system,  and here we don't really subscribe to fear based philosophies since we feel like we should know better by now than to indulge the sensations of fear to control our behavior.

Even if the Ra Material provides more than enough fearful information...

[Night Owl]

Even more annoying was I at one point manage to destroy these 'dark fates', but they were recreated and improved upon. I haven't been able to affect them the same way since, I can only dispel their threads where-ever possible. I don't think destruction will be able to do it. I think what has to happen is for individuals to be drawn and called to their true tapestry, I think that is the work of really positive workers.

I know that this is beyond most people's believability threshold. But, there is a reason why I posted a black helicopter hovering above a home in the 'Law of One and Targeted Individuals' post. Because that is precisely what has happened in my case. This all started when these choppers would circle my home. This would go on periodically for months. Sometimes the chopper would come so close to my home that it felt like it was landing on my roof. They were doing some kind of 'targeted' programming on me from the chopper. Still happens from time to time. Here's the rub though! I do not think these are humans. Remember, certain beings can take on human form. Perhaps it's the Orion group, the Lizzies, Zetans, who knows for sure? The entities that are attached to me are always claiming them as their own. So, go figure.

I believe, no I'm fairly certain, that this is all part of the same phenomenon that you are referring to regarding beings with highly sophisticated magical technology (the Greys are said to have sophisticated 4th dimensional technology). Perhaps they are coming out of Area 51 or some other secret hidden D.U.M.BS. I believe these are aliens that operate clandestinely within our reality, often right under our noses. And I believe they operate at different levels of multidimensionality, from 3D, 4D, 5D, 6D and beyond. That's why I can't just flat out accept Night Owl's claims that this is something that only occurs internally. That may be true in some cases, but I know from first hand experience that it is often far more complex than that. I believe that it's both 'internal' and 'external' control.

I did not claim that external control doesn't exist, it sure does. I just don't think that the source of what bothers you is external. We can talk external control all we want and what these entities are planning to do but the issue does not seem to me about whether external control exist or not. It exist right now, have existed forever and will exist forever. Control is an infinite pool. The issue is that you are bothered by something, and that is an internal relationship. And that is not something that is personal to you, it is the same across all individuals.

Helicopters might be flying over your house, but why do you think they might be flying overs yours more than someone else's house? Surely they don't just hang out there because they feel like it. You said yourself they traget specific individuals. So why do you think they target you in particular?

Can you consciously describe the relationship you have with your own control?

[Aion]

Why, do we have a big Bring4th ego? It's really quite silly to think that 'everyone knows better'.

Also, I'm just going to throw this out there. Usually what alerts these entities to an individual is emitting a powerful EM field which happens with polarization, so someone who is born and shines a lot of light will be detectable both by scanning technology designed to pick up on these fields as well as be easily visible to those who are able to astral travel or remote view. I can pick up on these fields and I can differentiate between an individual with 'more energy' than another. If I can do it, you can be sure 'they' can.

Why, you might ask? Because they want to use people as batteries, so they look for people who already have high output potential, wire them in to their 'grid' and then induce trauma so the individual in question will output a steady stream of energy. That scene in the Matrix wasn't entirely allegorical.

Why would they want to do this? Because it allows them to access more intelligent infinity indirectly which affords them more power over reality.

Thus, the best approach is they have set up a network of 'public hubs' which will draw others in to the networks. These are, you guessed it, all our wonderful New Age channelers and promoters. (Okay maybe not all of them, but a good bunch.) As well as they have 'infected' all sorts of institutions, they are literally everywhere. This hasn't happened over night. It has been a long process over hundreds, even thousands of years.

The problem we have now is that the 'infection has set in' and it's not just a simple matter of cleaning the wound, the whole body needs to be cleaned out.

Now here's the kicker, all of that is just one desire held by a small group of power-hungry entities, and is NOT the way things have to be. I just want to make that clear that despite all this nonsense I don't think we're enslaved quite like in the Matrix and regardless of their efforts there have been counter-efforts which have been effective. Furthermore, it is possible to break their programming and free the mind, so all is not lost.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Those are my words, silly.  I wouldn't use them to describe all of b4's considerations.

The remark was me trying to carefully not call us more wise than another based on the Ra Material text's 'teachings'.

Because we're honestly all fools

So, consider I have a big ego and overstepped with my commentary. Sorry about that lol

[Aion]

I'm just giving you a hard time, buddy, it's hard to see my grin in the text.