How to contact Orion group?

[Seeker of the One]

We all know cases of contacts with Confederation, however there is no public evidence of direct contacts with Orion. How can negative adept do this? What is the possible outcome of such contact? Will they teach STS path to help to harvest into negative 4d without deceiving, assuming both sides of the contacts aware of their goals and desires? Will they teach black magic to help gain control over others?

I think it is interesting to lighten both sides of polarity, unfortunately I only see lots of stuff regarding positive contacts like Quo, but none about true negative contacts which are not meant to deceive but to explicitly teach STS path to the seeker.

Did anyone of you have any experiences about this? Were you contacted by negative entities and offered STS teaching or did you seek it yourself and succeeded or failed?

[AnthroHeart]

I'd say asking for proof is the first step.

[Night Owl]

You can look up lucifer channelings and Seth channelings although seth is not negative in itself.

As to ''Did anyone of you have any experiences about this?'' Basically positive entities are bound by freewill infringement to a level they need you to request their help to create contact where negative entities (still bound by freewill) can just energize your ego because of the result of confusion.

[Aaron]

The negative adepts discover the power of the self and use it in dominion of all other selves and conceivable aspects of the self. They knowingly enter into the existing system of slavery with the intent and goal of becoming the one who enslaves, the conqueror and commander. A quick search brings up 3 quotes from the material. They invoke the demons by name and bid them as Ra describes:

53.16 Questioner: Well, we have a large spectrum of entities on Earth with respect to harvestability, both positively oriented and negatively oriented. Would the Orion target in on the ends of this spectrum, both positive and negatively oriented, for contact— for Earth entities, I mean?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is somewhat difficult to accurately answer. However, we shall attempt to do so.
The most typical approach of Orion entities is to choose what you might call the weaker-minded entity that it might suggest a greater amount of Orion philosophy to be disseminated.
Some few Orion entities are called by more highly polarized negative entities of your space/time nexus. In this case they share information just as we are now doing. However, this is a risk for the Orion entities due to the frequency with which the harvestable negative planetary entities then attempt to bid and order the Orion contact just as these entities bid planetary negative contacts. The resulting struggle for mastery, if lost, is damaging to the polarity of the Orion group.
Similarly, a mistaken Orion contact with highly polarized positive entities can wreak havoc with Orion troops unless these Crusaders are able to depolarize the entity mistakenly contacted. This occurrence is almost unheard of. Therefore, the Orion group prefers to make physical contact only with the weaker-minded entity.

55.3 Questioner: Thank you. I want to ask a couple questions about previous material that I didn’t understand. I’m hoping that this will clear up my understanding somewhat with respect to the mental configurations with which we have been dealing.
In the session before last you stated, “However, this is a risk for the Orion entities due to the frequency with which the harvestable negative planetary entities then attempt to bid or order the Orion contact just as these entities bid planetary negative contacts.” Can you explain the mechanisms that affect polarization in consciousness with respect to this statement?

Ra: I am Ra. The negative polarization is greatly aided by the subjugation or enslavement of other-selves. The potential between two negatively polarized entities is such that the entity which enslaves the other or bids the other gains in negative polarity.
The entity so bidden or enslaved, in serving an other-self, will necessarily lose negative polarity although it will gain in desire for further negative polarization. This desire will then tend to create opportunities to regain negative polarity.

55.4 Questioner: Am I to understand then— just the fact that the third-density entity on this planet, just the fact that he calls or bids an Orion Crusader is a polarizing type of action that affects both entities?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The calling mechanism is not congruent in the slightest degree with the bidding mechanism. In the calling, the entity which calls is a suppliant neophyte asking for aid in negative understanding, if you may excuse this misnomer. The Orion response increases its negative polarity as it is disseminating the negative philosophy, thereby enslaving or bidding the entity calling.
There are instances, however, when the contact becomes a contest which is prototypical of negativity. In this contest, the caller will attempt, not to ask for aid, but to demand results. Since the third-density negatively oriented harvestable entity has at its disposal an incarnative experiential nexus and since Orion Crusaders are, in a great extent, bound by the first distortion in order to progress, the Orion entity is vulnerable to such bidding if properly done. In this case, the third-density entity becomes master and the Orion Crusader becomes entrapped and can be bid. This is rare. However, when it has occurred, the Orion entity or social memory complex involved has experienced loss of negative polarity in proportion to the strength of the bidding third-density entity.

There is obviously the attempt to deceive and enslave happening on both sides of such a contact.

"It's the oldest game. Let me take of your power and I will serve you. I don't want to stand in my own self-responsibility."
- Harald Kautz-Vella

[APeacefulWarrior]

You know, whenever I try to visualize interactions between Negative entities, I just come back to Megaton and Starscream bickering in various incarnations of The Transformers.

[Cainite]

When I switched polarity, for about three weeks I was negative.

I knew black magic myself. there's alot of info in satanist sites for that too.
anywyas, for contact. I used three small papers. on them I had written ; Yes, No, and Maybe.
I asked questions and picked one randomly. and to be sure of the contact, I asked one question multiple times and got the same answer.
They answered more correctly each time I asked my selfish questions or about black magic. or about future and what other people think or want to do, ...

btw when I was negative I had this rule; never harm any highly polarized positive being for that might end up as a failure for me. I respected them. I decided to mess with morally weak people.

I knew I would be harvestable ... negativity really worked for me. but it was dumb and I decided I wanted more so I became positive once more.. with unbalanced chakras became sick for a year and a half after that.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

All you need to learn can be seen in the patterns of domination.  Whatever it is, however it is, domination in some manner is necessary to polarize negatively.

This can be seen in most discussions turning into debates or arguments, attempts to be better or right or above.  If you can dominate a person, you can polarize negatively.

Beyond that, the depths and sly manipulations to achieve domination are the subtle work, ever honing the self to control self to control others.

I think looking into the negative path is a necessary experience for most wanderers.  It reminds us of other lessons we learned during times we might have played as the bad guys or 'monsters' of 3D.  It helps us balance ourselves when seen in tandem and equality by the positive system.  It helps us accept our Darkness.

[Nau7ik]

Synchronicity! I just heard this talked about yesterday.

Even Orion has a problem with earth humanity calling. The negatives aren't negative enough. Some of them are. Orion would need your vibration to be close to theirs. Think of it as tuning. Those negatives who are more concerned with fame, fortune, and materialistic desires aren't evil enough. LOO talked about spiritual technology underground in the honey combed earth that responds to the call for basic information. The Confederation and Orion are both using this technology. For both positives and negatives, many are the callings that are repetitive. People aren't using the information they're receiving. Therefore Orion or the Confederation can only do so much with disseminating spiritual information.
Orion would be in contact with high leve Illuminati and bloodlines, as well as individual black adepts, who know very well how to make contact (and contracts) with demonic entities, and to hold the contact.

Orion deceived and controls and dominates. They are not interested in serving positive speakers by speaking to them of their ways. Why would they? Knowledge is power to these entities. They deceive their own. It's all about "ME, a living God." There's a hierarchy of power. Positive polarity is seen as weak and slavish. We are cattle to be managed by Orion.

During the Q'uo channelings, Carla always tuned to her highest and best self. This is what made it possible for the Q'uo principle to speak, which I would say, is a high level positive contact. I have yet to read a channeling from a source as rich and pure as Q'uo.

[Infinite Unity]

You know, whenever I try to visualize interactions between Negative entities, I just come back to Megaton and Starscream bickering in various incarnations of The Transformers.

Yup lol I think of that often to. It even contains the master/slave dynamic. Megatron has always been the quintessence of an sts persona.

[Infinite Unity]

[quote='Seeker of the One' pid='224103' dateline='1489713014']
We all know cases of contacts with Confederation, however there is no public evidence of direct contacts with Orion. How can negative adept do this? What is the possible outcome of such contact? Will they teach STS path to help to harvest into negative 4d without deceiving, assuming both sides of the contacts aware of their goals and desires? Will they teach black magic to help gain control over others?

I think it is interesting to lighten both sides of polarity, unfortunately I only see lots of stuff regarding positive contacts like Quo, but none about true negative contacts which are not meant to deceive but to explicitly teach STS path to the seeker.

Did anyone of you have any experiences about this? Were you contacted by negative entities and offered STS teaching or did you seek it yourself and succeeded or failed?

I feel that orion usually uses the wolf in sheeps clothing approach. They are at great risk of being bid/dominated by the third density entity, they are approaching to disseminate negative philosophy/technique. The efficacy is according to how strong the entity being bid, and how well they are bidden. The philosophy will always contain an misconception as to allow the orion to dominate, through knowledge disseminated. To the entity not realising the fault or being bid. The orion can be dominated or bidden. If the 3d entity is successful in dominating the negative entity. The smc will lose polarity equal to the strength of the entity doing the bidding. The 3d entity usually initiates these series of will battles by demanding results. So I think most of the dark forces are aimed at taking out or corrupting light forces. Then directly interacting with potential negative entity. They have learned a strategy as to allow the medium social environment or governments to enslave the mass people. And just focus mainly on knocking the legs out of inspiring light forces.

In other words it is the elite, that is in relation to the negative master. Who is responsible for enslaving the mass people, through interactions of there own free will.

The higher density negatives, such as crusader and above, focus on hitting the entities starting to gain polarity in the positive direction. Though I'm sure there are protocols for negative entities gaining polarity, that aren't orion influenced/dominated already.

Also are you interested in contacting one personally? The threads name contains how. The op mostly seems generated towards why you don't seem them? Rather than how to contact one.

[Turtle]

Will they teach STS path to help to harvest into negative 4d without deceiving, assuming both sides of the contacts aware of their goals and desires? Will they teach black magic to help gain control over others?

Omg, lol. Seriously though, no way no how do sts beings do anything or make any plans without deception and lies being at the core of their machinations...they love that s*** as much as sto beings love truth and transparency of intentions and emotions, especially green ray energies.

[anagogy]

Ra: It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give.

So if they are supplicating a willing neophyte in negative understanding, they will just give the philosophy they are there to give. If they are talking to an STO being, they would alter their message to be more acceptable to that being. Negative beings are a lot easier to get in touch with than positive beings, because they aren't concerned about whether they are infringing upon your free will (except to the extent that such interaction damages their polarity, or source of power). Having said that, I think getting touch with such beings is a very bad idea and I can't imagine why one would want to.

[Turtle]

Ra: ...Similarly, a mistaken Orion contact with highly polarized positive entities can wreak havoc with Orion troops unless these Crusaders are able to depolarize the entity mistakenly contacted. This occurrence is almost unheard of. Therefore, the Orion group prefers to make physical contact only with the weaker-minded entity.

ALMOST unheard of.

[anagogy]

Ra: ...Similarly, a mistaken Orion contact with highly polarized positive entities can wreak havoc with Orion troops unless these Crusaders are able to depolarize the entity mistakenly contacted. This occurrence is almost unheard of. Therefore, the Orion group prefers to make physical contact only with the weaker-minded entity.

ALMOST unheard of.

Just to provide context for people, this quote is referring to direct *physical* contact. Channeled interactions with negative beings are much more common, even among people who would be generally considered to be STO in nature. Even Carla who was unquestionably STO had interactions with these negative nonphysicals.

[Turtle]

You know, whenever I try to visualize interactions between Negative entities, I just come back to Megaton and Starscream bickering in various incarnations of The Transformers.

lol, spot on! hahaha

[Turtle]

Ra: ...Similarly, a mistaken Orion contact with highly polarized positive entities can wreak havoc with Orion troops unless these Crusaders are able to depolarize the entity mistakenly contacted. This occurrence is almost unheard of. Therefore, the Orion group prefers to make physical contact only with the weaker-minded entity.

ALMOST unheard of.

Just to provide context for people, this quote is referring to direct *physical* contact. Channeled interactions with negative beings are much more common, even among people who would be generally considered to be STO in nature. Even Carla who was unquestionably STO had interactions with these negative nonphysicals.

Yeah...and to a sufficiently developed sto being, non-physical contact attempts from sts beings becomes akin to the interaction between a phone call and an answering machine, lol. Automatic, and carefree screening commences.

[Mahakali]

I have a lot of direct experience with this.

If you want to channel a negative entity, there are a lot of songs, books, and mantras that are encoded with frequencies designed to do just that by reading/listening/chanting. Activating these channels is basically a combination of trying to wrestle a tiger and building nerve gas in your garage, except more dangerous.

Also worth keeping in mind is that governments and such consider certain occult groups to be terrorist organizations, and they do have technology that can, in some cases, intercept a channel when they detect certain frequencies being hit in the aether in an attempt to scare you away from interaction with these groups.

Case in point: King Diamond tried opening a channel to demonic entities, before getting scared shitless and converting from Satanism to atheism. I think a lot of the more chaotic violent contacts with such entities are psyops to keep you from learning black magick, which is so much less effective when everyone's doing it. Partially because "they" want a monopoly on black magick, and partially because "they" have rivals, the Dark Side being rife with infighting.

When you do manage to get in contact with a negative entity, there is a decent chance that it will kill you outright, use you as a proxy for horrible things, implant poisons in your subtle body, or otherwise manipulate you. Yes, you can also receive help in polarizing negatively from such channels, but the techniques, methods, etc. vary widely by group, and making contact with negative entities means sticking a foot into negative time/space, which is a ridiculously dangerous environment. I survived, but some do not.

More directly, in the third density environment, anybody given financial sanctions as a transnational criminal organization or a designated foreign terrorist organization by the U.S. government is involved heavily in occult activity of the negative variety. You don't make either of those lists unless you're into some effed up s***.

Even street gangs have occult aspects to them, so any real street gang is involved in such, even if the lesser members don't know; however, most street gangs are just used as footsoldiers for orgs on the above lists. Street gangs are for people who want drugs or money and don't give a f*** about their lives, so they're not especially big on spiritual evolution.

EDIT:

I also forgot to mention that, from what I heard, some very powerful negative entities were recently depolarized in time/space over the past decade or two, and, as a result, certain negative channels often cannot be trusted due to their associations with groups connected to these entities, even to give you information.

But most black magick is just white magick used for a different purpose. If you know one, then you already know a good deal about the other, and there are a lot of practical manuals online on the subjects of SRA and the like, so that you could probably build it from scratch if you have 4th or 5th density under your belt. Not that I'm advocating that; just pointing out that learning how negatives do their work is possible even without using a life-threatening negative time/space wormhole.

EDIT 2:

Don't trust negative occult people you meet online. Western intelligence agencies set up traps for those just like they do for Muslim extremists.

[Turtle]

I have a lot of direct experience with this.

If you want to channel a negative entity, there are a lot of songs, books, and mantras that are encoded with frequencies designed to do just that by reading/listening/chanting. Activating these channels is basically a combination of trying to wrestle a tiger and building nerve gas in your garage, except more dangerous.

Also worth keeping in mind is that governments and such consider certain occult groups to be terrorist organizations, and they do have technology that can, in some cases, intercept a channel when they detect certain frequencies being hit in the aether in an attempt to scare you away from interaction with these groups.

Case in point: King Diamond tried opening a channel to demonic entities, before getting scared shitless and converting from Satanism to atheism. I think a lot of the more chaotic violent contacts with such entities are psyops to keep you from learning black magick, which is so much less effective when everyone's doing it. Partially because "they" want a monopoly on black magick, and partially because "they" have rivals, the Dark Side being rife with infighting.

When you do manage to get in contact with a negative entity, there is a decent chance that it will kill you outright, use you as a proxy for horrible things, implant poisons in your subtle body, or otherwise manipulate you. Yes, you can also receive help in polarizing negatively from such channels, but the techniques, methods, etc. vary widely by group, and making contact with negative entities means sticking a foot into negative time/space, which is a ridiculously dangerous environment. I survived, but some do not.

More directly, in the third density environment, anybody given financial sanctions as a transnational criminal organization or a designated foreign terrorist organization by the U.S. government is involved heavily in occult activity of the negative variety. You don't make either of those lists unless you're into some effed up s***.

Even street gangs have occult aspects to them, so any real street gang is involved in such, even if the lesser members don't know; however, most street gangs are just used as footsoldiers for orgs on the above lists. Street gangs are for people who want drugs or money and don't give a f*** about their lives, so they're not especially big on spiritual evolution.

EDIT:

I also forgot to mention that, from what I heard, some very powerful negative entities were recently depolarized in time/space over the past decade or two, and, as a result, certain negative channels often cannot be trusted due to their associations with groups connected to these entities, even to give you information.

But most black magick is just white magick used for a different purpose. If you know one, then you already know a good deal about the other, and there are a lot of practical manuals online on the subjects of SRA and the like, so that you could probably build it from scratch if you have 4th or 5th density under your belt. Not that I'm advocating that; just pointing out that learning how negatives do their work is possible even without using a life-threatening negative time/space wormhole.

EDIT 2:

Don't trust negative occult people you meet online. Western intelligence agencies set up traps for those just like they do for Muslim extremists.

Just say no to black magic! White magic > black magic. lol

[Infinite Unity]

I have a lot of direct experience with this.

If you want to channel a negative entity, there are a lot of songs, books, and mantras that are encoded with frequencies designed to do just that by reading/listening/chanting. Activating these channels is basically a combination of trying to wrestle a tiger and building nerve gas in your garage, except more dangerous.

Also worth keeping in mind is that governments and such consider certain occult groups to be terrorist organizations, and they do have technology that can, in some cases, intercept a channel when they detect certain frequencies being hit in the aether in an attempt to scare you away from interaction with these groups.

Case in point: King Diamond tried opening a channel to demonic entities, before getting scared shitless and converting from Satanism to atheism. I think a lot of the more chaotic violent contacts with such entities are psyops to keep you from learning black magick, which is so much less effective when everyone's doing it. Partially because "they" want a monopoly on black magick, and partially because "they" have rivals, the Dark Side being rife with infighting.

When you do manage to get in contact with a negative entity, there is a decent chance that it will kill you outright, use you as a proxy for horrible things, implant poisons in your subtle body, or otherwise manipulate you. Yes, you can also receive help in polarizing negatively from such channels, but the techniques, methods, etc. vary widely by group, and making contact with negative entities means sticking a foot into negative time/space, which is a ridiculously dangerous environment. I survived, but some do not.

More directly, in the third density environment, anybody given financial sanctions as a transnational criminal organization or a designated foreign terrorist organization by the U.S. government is involved heavily in occult activity of the negative variety. You don't make either of those lists unless you're into some effed up s***.

Even street gangs have occult aspects to them, so any real street gang is involved in such, even if the lesser members don't know; however, most street gangs are just used as footsoldiers for orgs on the above lists. Street gangs are for people who want drugs or money and don't give a f*** about their lives, so they're not especially big on spiritual evolution.

EDIT:

I also forgot to mention that, from what I heard, some very powerful negative entities were recently depolarized in time/space over the past decade or two, and, as a result, certain negative channels often cannot be trusted due to their associations with groups connected to these entities, even to give you information.

But most black magick is just white magick used for a different purpose. If you know one, then you already know a good deal about the other, and there are a lot of practical manuals online on the subjects of SRA and the like, so that you could probably build it from scratch if you have 4th or 5th density under your belt. Not that I'm advocating that; just pointing out that learning how negatives do their work is possible even without using a life-threatening negative time/space wormhole.

EDIT 2:

Don't trust negative occult people you meet online. Western intelligence agencies set up traps for those just like they do for Muslim extremists.

Please expand on what you know of the very powerful negatives losing polarization?

[Mahakali]

Please expand on what you know of the very powerful negatives losing polarization?

Well, from what I understand, there is a war going on in the astral planes of the universe, and, what was explained to me is that the negatives lost the war, at least for the time being, and this has happened in the time/space planes in such a way that, although it hasn't reached third density reality yet, it's near-certain that the negatives will ultimately lose.

On the other hand, it's been suggested to me that the "victory" is, in fact, just a psyops/psi-ops method to keep the very powerful negatives fenced out of our time/space nexus by convincing everyone that the negatives have lost and placing astral clones of the negatives designed to entrap those who would follow them while intercepting negatives from other probable-realities.

In other probable-systems, of course, the negatives have won, and these can also be accessed.

And this might refer to more than one thing, because there are two distinct groups that frequently get called "negative". The enslavers behind the world banking cartels and the third density STS system are absolutely trying to hit the populace with everything they can, because people are starting to wake up, and if that happens, they're just f*****, because all they really have in the way of polarity is what they siphon from others.

On the other hand, whatever existed before this universe survived its creation, and wants it to end. This entity or group of entities are referred to as Apophis, Tiamat and the 11 monsters She gave birth to, and the Gods worshipped by groups like the Misanthropic Luciferian Order. Brian Keene's novels (which form one large interwoven universal story, each book like a different piece of a puzzle) are ultimately about these creatures. Darkness on The Edge of Town is about a reality where they won and contains a bit of info about them, and a different novel (I forget which one) also goes into their backstory a bit.

Obviously, these creatures are somewhat different from, and opposed to, STS enslaver entities, since they want to destroy this creation and return all to primal Chaos, not control it. So even the creature symbolized by IT from A Wrinkle in Time, which is a major, major threat to Earth right now, is afraid of these entities, because they're incredibly powerful and unkillable from within this creation since they exist outside of it, and are systematically devouring as many parallel universes as they can get their tentacles on.

If humanity's vibration raises a bit, the former will just get their asses kicked naturally since they require deception to thrive, and everyone who's not insane (STS or STO) just wants to keep the latter entities out at all costs, because if they gain a foothold, it's game over for everybody.

[Aion]

All good, I've seen Dr. Strange.

Funny, you're the first person besides myself to mention these entities. Hopefully people will take you more seriously.

[Spooner]

We all know cases of contacts with Confederation, however there is no public evidence of direct contacts with Orion. How can negative adept do this? What is the possible outcome of such contact? Will they teach STS path to help to harvest into negative 4d without deceiving, assuming both sides of the contacts aware of their goals and desires? Will they teach black magic to help gain control over others?

I think it is interesting to lighten both sides of polarity, unfortunately I only see lots of stuff regarding positive contacts like Quo, but none about true negative contacts which are not meant to deceive but to explicitly teach STS path to the seeker.

Did anyone of you have any experiences about this? Were you contacted by negative entities and offered STS teaching or did you seek it yourself and succeeded or failed?

So you want to make contact with hierarchical power based entities whose philosophy is that of self service? I guess you'd have to tune into their mindset much like Carla tuned into love in order to contact Ra.

Btw, your avatar icon is interesting. Can you explain what it's about?

[sjel]

Obviously, these creatures are somewhat different from, and opposed to, STS enslaver entities, since they want to destroy this creation and return all to primal Chaos, not control it. So even the creature symbolized by IT from A Wrinkle in Time, which is a major, major threat to Earth right now, is afraid of these entities, because they're incredibly powerful and unkillable from within this creation since they exist outside of it, and are systematically devouring as many parallel universes as they can get their tentacles on.

If humanity's vibration raises a bit, the former will just get their asses kicked naturally since they require deception to thrive, and everyone who's not insane (STS or STO) just wants to keep the latter entities out at all costs, because if they gain a foothold, it's game over for everybody.

so there's a third class of entities?!?!? what, STN, 'service-to-nothing??' aw jeez and here i was all set to take down them sts entities with love.

hey maybe we can join forces with the STS fellows and have the best team up ever! STO + STS = ... All.

Can you elaborate more about these 'primal chaos' guys? What's in it for them? Are they the next-level polarity?

QUESTION: Is our entire octave the exploration of only one side of a coin??!? and these primal chaos entities represent the bizarro octave, the sister octave to ours, the opposite side of that coin??!

[Mahakali]

so there's a third class of entities?!?!? what, STN, 'service-to-nothing??' aw jeez and here i was all set to take down them sts entities with love.

hey maybe we can join forces with the STS fellows and have the best team up ever! STO + STS = ... All.

Can you elaborate more about these 'primal chaos' guys? What's in it for them? Are they the next-level polarity?

QUESTION: Is our entire octave the exploration of only one side of a coin??!? and these primal chaos entities represent the bizarro octave, the sister octave to ours, the opposite side of that coin??!

What's in it for a serial killer? What's in it for a mass murderer? What's in it for the suicidal? What's in it for the insane? Because that's about the closest you could come to understanding those entities from a human egotistical perspective.

The fact that you ask "what's in it" makes me think you really don't understand these types of entities at all.

It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.

[sjel]

What's in it for a serial killer? What's in it for a mass murderer? What's in it for the suicidal? What's in it for the insane? Because that's about the closest you could come to understanding those entities from a human egotistical perspective.

The fact that you ask "what's in it" makes me think you really don't understand these types of entities at all.

um, YEAH, of COURSE I don't understand entities who exist outside of our octave

[I'm enjoying our discourse, hopefully you're not interpreting this too abrasively.]


Seriously though I would like if you could explain from your perspective what these entities are? And how would you even be able to explain them, given that we are both within third density, the density that is "not the density of understanding."

edit: I guess specifically, how do they manifest within our own physical illusion? Or how does their impact on reality manifest? Also, if they manage to return the creation to primal chaos, do they disintegrate also? Do they personally desire to return themselves to primal chaos as well? What about other octaves, or other creations?

[Infinite Unity]

Please expand on what you know of the very powerful negatives losing polarization?

Well, from what I understand, there is a war going on in the astral planes of the universe, and, what was explained to me is that the negatives lost the war, at least for the time being, and this has happened in the time/space planes in such a way that, although it hasn't reached third density reality yet, it's near-certain that the negatives will ultimately lose.

On the other hand, it's been suggested to me that the "victory" is, in fact, just a psyops/psi-ops method to keep the very powerful negatives fenced out of our time/space nexus by convincing everyone that the negatives have lost and placing astral clones of the negatives designed to entrap those who would follow them while intercepting negatives from other probable-realities.

In other probable-systems, of course, the negatives have won, and these can also be accessed.

And this might refer to more than one thing, because there are two distinct groups that frequently get called "negative". The enslavers behind the world banking cartels and the third density STS system are absolutely trying to hit the populace with everything they can, because people are starting to wake up, and if that happens, they're just f*****, because all they really have in the way of polarity is what they siphon from others.

On the other hand, whatever existed before this universe survived its creation, and wants it to end. This entity or group of entities are referred to as Apophis, Tiamat and the 11 monsters She gave birth to, and the Gods worshipped by groups like the Misanthropic Luciferian Order. Brian Keene's novels (which form one large interwoven universal story, each book like a different piece of a puzzle) are ultimately about these creatures. Darkness on The Edge of Town is about a reality where they won and contains a bit of info about them, and a different novel (I forget which one) also goes into their backstory a bit.

Obviously, these creatures are somewhat different from, and opposed to, STS enslaver entities, since they want to destroy this creation and return all to primal Chaos, not control it. So even the creature symbolized by IT from A Wrinkle in Time, which is a major, major threat to Earth right now, is afraid of these entities, because they're incredibly powerful and unkillable from within this creation since they exist outside of it, and are systematically devouring as many parallel universes as they can get their tentacles on.

If humanity's vibration raises a bit, the former will just get their asses kicked naturally since they require deception to thrive, and everyone who's not insane (STS or STO) just wants to keep the latter entities out at all costs, because if they gain a foothold, it's game over for everybody.

What do you think higher densities see this like?

[Mahakali]

um, YEAH, of COURSE I don't understand entities who exist outside of our octave

[I'm enjoying our discourse, hopefully you're not interpreting this too abrasively.]


Seriously though I would like if you could explain from your perspective what these entities are? And how would you even be able to explain them, given that we are both within third density, the density that is "not the density of understanding."

edit: I guess specifically, how do they manifest within our own physical illusion? Or how does their impact on reality manifest? Also, if they manage to return the creation to primal chaos, do they disintegrate also? Do they personally desire to return themselves to primal chaos as well? What about other octaves, or other creations?

What do you think higher densities see this like?

I would bet that the geometrical patterns that underly this creation do not hold sway with these types of entities. The root assumptions of their reality are different, perhaps to the point where root assumptions in our creation, like love/light and the number 7, don't exist there, or don't manifest in nearly the same way.

They may or may not just be trying to dissolve everything and end it there, or they may or may not have other goals, which may or may not look like complete dissolution to us.

Beyond that, it's like a bunch of ants speculating amongst themselves about the inner workings of a nuclear fusion reactor. So, f*** if I know, to be perfectly honest, but we can at least sense with our little antennas down here that whatever's going on inside that thing, it's caused a lot of heat and some pretty massive bangs.





EDIT:

Also, I apologize if I am taking things abrasively, and if I am, it's nothing to do with you. You don't spend a decade including much of your childhood jumping around in negative hyperspace playing with demonic entities without winding up a little bit schizophrenic. My personality is a tiny bit fractured, but I'm working on it; I'll probably never be sane (and none of the best people are, so that's fine), but I think I can manage becoming stable with a little bit of balancing and magickal work.

[AnthroHeart]

Mahakali, your post reminds me of this.

[Mahakali]

Mahakali, your post reminds me of this.

Yeah, my whole life reminds me of that.

[APeacefulWarrior]

My personality is a tiny bit fractured, but I'm working on it; I'll probably never be sane (and none of the best people are, so that's fine), but I think I can manage becoming stable with a little bit of balancing and magickal work.

As my favorite Doctor put it, "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another."