6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

[βαθμιαίος]

I'm really struggling to word what I mean

I know the feeling!

Let me try another tack. The purpose of polarization is to develop the ability to do work. It involves building a potential difference, in other words becoming potentiated.

Is the argument that is being made here that Ra has released its potential difference and become balanced between positive and negative? Because that doesn't seem to be the case. They still do work, and positive work at that. They are still Ra and they still seek. They haven't rejoined the Creator yet.

If the argument is that Ra is potentiated but not polarized well, fine, but isn't that kind of academic? This thread was about wanderers' work in 3D. In 3D the way to potentiate is through polarization. The argument was being made that since Ra lacked polarity wanderers didn't need to polarize.

There is a deeper point though, I think, which has to do with the nature of the Creator. Contact with intelligent infinity, Ra says, results in unspeakable joy. The Creator is not zero, it is one, unity. Think about our local sub-Logos, the sun. It is a being without polarity, too, Ra says, but isn't it radiant?

The point I'm trying to make is that becoming love/light and light/love is, from our perspective, good. I understand the reluctance to use the word "good" because it seems to necessitate a "bad". But the Creator, as described by Ra, is a being of infinite strength and glory. There is unity; there is no nothingness.

[Sacred Fool]

Is the argument that is being made here that Ra has released its potential difference and become balanced between positive and negative? Because that doesn't seem to be the case. They still do work, and positive work at that. They are still Ra and they still seek. They haven't rejoined the Creator yet.

Hmmm, well, one assemblage of the pieces would suggest that operating from mid-6D onwards does not require the same kind of build up of energy (potentiation) as is required when an entity is working its way up through the other Densities. The example you give of the sub-Logos is an excellent one.

There is a deeper point though, I think, which has to do with the nature of the Creator. Contact with intelligent infinity, Ra says, results in unspeakable joy. The Creator is not zero, it is one, unity. Think about our local sub-Logos, the sun. It is a being without polarity, too, Ra says, but isn't it radiant?

If they are not positive, then why do they expend energy in service, one might ask?

Evidently, they don't require a positive "charge" in order to be disposed that way. Evidently, existence at that level simply conduces to that disposition. As I grasp it, at that level there is evolutionary developement without striving. This, I expect, is what is referred to as "etiolated." This, I expect, is why evolution takes such a long, long time at that level of consciousness. Since one is so much "in the groove," it becomes actually more difficult deviate or deal directly with deviations.

That's the point, I think, of lower Density wandering. It's an opportunity to continue to explore and balance abstract energetic imbalances. In my opinion, polarization for wanderers is an important part of this overall process.

[unity100]

the work of 5d is intensification.

[βαθμιαίος]

Hmmm, well, one assemblage of the pieces would suggest that operating from mid-6D onwards does not require the same kind of build up of energy (potentiation) as is required when an entity is working its way up through the other Densities. The example you give of the sub-Logos is an excellent one.

So do you think Ra has released their potential difference, perhaps at the merging of the paths? The thing is, there is potential (intelligent infinity) and kinetic (intelligent energy) in unity. As Ra moves more and more into unity, I don't see why that would require them to release their potential (or kinetic) before it becomes the Creator's potential (or kinetic) rather than their own.

[@ndy]

So do you think Ra has released their potential difference, perhaps at the merging of the paths? The thing is, there is potential (intelligent infinity) and kinetic (intelligent energy) in unity. As Ra moves more and more into unity, I don't see why that would require them to release their potential (or kinetic) before it becomes the Creator's potential (or kinetic) rather than their own.

I found this Session 27

"Questioner: It is not necessary to divide it. The definition of intelligent infinity as one part is sufficient. Could you please now define intelligent infinity?

Ra: I am Ra. This is exponentially simpler and less confusing. There is unity. This unity is all that there is. This unity has a potential and kinetic. The potential is intelligent infinity. Tapping this potential will yield work. This work has been called by us, intelligent energy.

The nature of this work is dependent upon the particular distortion of free will which in turn is the nature of a particular intelligent energy or kinetic focus of the potential of unity or that which is all. "



This suggests again to me, Work in polarity is distortion regardless of +/-
I'm not sure what I'm trying to suggest here I'm just trying to work it out

[unity100]

you should always remember that, due to the emphasis of indigo ray in 6d, 6d entities tend to see everything in the light of unity/oneness, just like how 4d entities get inclined to see everything from the viewpoint of love, and 2d entities tend to see everything as an extension of their own selves.

[Sacred Fool]

Hmmm, well, one assemblage of the pieces would suggest that operating from mid-6D onwards does not require the same kind of build up of energy (potentiation) as is required when an entity is working its way up through the other Densities. The example you give of the sub-Logos is an excellent one.

So do you think Ra has released their potential difference, perhaps at the merging of the paths? The thing is, there is potential (intelligent infinity) and kinetic (intelligent energy) in unity. As Ra moves more and more into unity, I don't see why that would require them to release their potential (or kinetic) before it becomes the Creator's potential (or kinetic) rather than their own.

First of all--ahem--chances are that I am incapable of providing a perfectly satisfying answer...but...

It feels to me that the energy distortion inherent in the +/- orientation shifts to a different quality of distortion in the course of the becoming-an-higher-self process.

This suggests again to me, Work in polarity is distortion regardless of +/-

So, they don't "release" all their energy, exactly; rather, it becomes distorted differently and is inclined to develope in a way which begins to work more with "foreverness" (where polarity is irrelevant) than with good old Creation.

[Monica]

If the argument is that Ra is potentiated but not polarized well, fine, but isn't that kind of academic?

Pretty much everything Ra said could be construed as academic, so our study of Ra's words might be considered academic as we try to understand them.

Academic is a term related to intellectual understanding. We want to also get our hearts involved and trust our own guidance and whether we resonate with those teachings. The irony is, that in order to get value out of Ra's teachings about love, wisdom, etc. we sometimes need to intellectually explore and ponder said teachings!

This thread was about wanderers' work in 3D. In 3D the way to potentiate is through polarization. The argument was being made that since Ra lacked polarity wanderers didn't need to polarize.

My conclusion, after following this discussion, was that there are several various reasons any particular Wanderer may have incarnated, and the reasons may vary. Ra provided a list of the most common reasons, but didn't indicate whether that list was comprehensive.

There is a deeper point though, I think, which has to do with the nature of the Creator. Contact with intelligent infinity, Ra says, results in unspeakable joy. The Creator is not zero, it is one, unity. Think about our local sub-Logos, the sun. It is a being without polarity, too, Ra says, but isn't it radiant?

Yes, it's radiant.

The point I'm trying to make is that becoming love/light and light/love is, from our perspective, good. I understand the reluctance to use the word "good" because it seems to necessitate a "bad". But the Creator, as described by Ra, is a being of infinite strength and glory. There is unity; there is no nothingness.

'Good' is a term that has relevance to us only because there seems to be 'bad' in our 3D reality.

And yet, we know from Ra, that even the 'bad' has its purpose. In the higher densities, we may very well change our opinion about what is 'bad.' Look at how Ra and Q'uo have told us that if we could remember how much we wanted to incarnate here, to have the opportunity to evolve, our perceived suffering would be seen in a different light.

That is a whole 'nother topic already being explored in other threads.

What I am understanding from you is that you are seeking reassurance that the Creator is benevolent. It can be very disconcerting to think otherwise.

Ra is millions of years ahead of us in their evolution, yet still honor and serve, and seek Oneness with, the One Infinite Creator. Does this not speak volumes?

[βαθμιαίος]

It feels to me that the energy distortion inherent in the +/- orientation shifts to a different quality of distortion in the course of the becoming-an-higher-self process.

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So, they don't "release" all their energy, exactly; rather, it becomes distorted differently and is inclined to develope in a way which begins to work more with "foreverness" (where polarity is irrelevant) than with good old Creation.

Quite so: the energy is still there; it is just distorted differently.

Yes, it's radiant.

And would you say Ra is radiant?

What I am understanding from you is that you are seeking reassurance that the Creator is benevolent. It can be very disconcerting to think otherwise.

Not sure where you get that from. I am trying to reassure, not be reassured. And benevolent is a pale word for the grandeur and glory that I am trying to convey.

[Monica]

And would you say Ra is radiant?

Yes, of course. Beings that have become Light/Love are radiant.

Not sure where you get that from. I am trying to reassure, not be reassured. And benevolent is a pale word for the grandeur and glory that I am trying to convey.

OK, grand, glorious...gosh we could add tons of adjectives to describe the architect of the vast and magnificent UniVerse!

No disagreement there!

[βαθμιαίος]

Yes, of course. Beings that have become Light/Love are radiant.

Yay! Believe it or not, that's really all I've been hoping you would say. Thanks for throwing me a bone.

My conclusion, after following this discussion, was that there are several various reasons any particular Wanderer may have incarnated, and the reasons may vary. Ra provided a list of the most common reasons, but didn't indicate whether that list was comprehensive.

It's true that we don't know that Ra's list was comprehensive, and it's also true that each wanderer, each non-wanderer too for that matter, must decide its own highest course. But it seems to me that the intense catalyst we enjoy here with its concomitant opportunities for polarization is a treasure that most wanderers will want to make use of. I could be wrong, but I intuit that it would be a rare wanderer that wouldn't have at least some idea of increased polarization in its incarnational plan.

It feels to me that the energy distortion inherent in the +/- orientation shifts to a different quality of distortion in the course of the becoming-an-higher-self process.

I was thinking some more about this and remembered that Ra said that one of the benefits of invoking the magical personality is that the higher self gets the benefit of exposure to third-density catalyst. So even the non-polarized higher self still appreciates and benefits from our catalyst. And as I understand it, the only way to offer it that opportunity is to polarize sufficiently to be able to do indigo-ray work.

Much in the same way that sixth-density work becomes inner rather than outer, so too does indigo-ray work lead to true radiance of being:

The adept then begins to do less of the preliminary or outer work, having to do with function, and begins to effect the inner work which has to do with being. As the adept becomes a more and more consciously crystallized entity it gradually manifests more and more of that which it always has been since before time; that is, the One Infinite Creator.

[Monica]

Yes, of course. Beings that have become Light/Love are radiant.

Yay! Believe it or not, that's really all I've been hoping you would say. Thanks for throwing me a bone.

OK...but...um...I'm quite certain I've already stated that, at least a few times. But I'm glad you saw it this time! :-/

It's true that we don't know that Ra's list was comprehensive, and it's also true that each wanderer, each non-wanderer too for that matter, must decide its own highest course. But it seems to me that the intense catalyst we enjoy here with its concomitant opportunities for polarization is a treasure that most wanderers will want to make use of. I could be wrong, but I intuit that it would be a rare wanderer that wouldn't have at least some idea of increased polarization in its incarnational plan.

I can't begin to speculate what might motivate other Wanderers. I can only speak for myself.

[βαθμιαίος]

OK...but...um...I'm quite certain I've already stated that, at least a few times. But I'm glad you saw it this time! :-/

Must have missed it. And if I were wiser, I would certainly not point out that Ra gave radiance/absorption as a synonym for positive/negative. On second thought, forget I said that!

[Sacred Fool]

I can't begin to speculate what might motivate other Wanderers. I can only speak for myself.

I see.

How do you know you're a wanderer? What were your Higher Self's motivations for this incarnation and/or your series of current incarnations? What lessons did it hope you would learn? Anything we can help you with?

[βαθμιαίος]

I can see your point that STO path appears to have continuity all the way through the entire cycle and if it's not positive later on, then what is it?

One can choose to put the pieces together in a variety of ways and, in truth, our capacity for understanding the mechanics of this stuff is quite limited. Nonetheless, here's how it adds up for me.

As entities become firmly established in the Law of One in 6D they then offer what gifts ("helper consciousness," sort of?) they can to the various beings with whom they have karmic connection such as their previous incarnations, folks like us whom they've visited and so on. This practice helps break down each instance of consciousness into its essential parts and, thus, facilitates the conscious experience of Oneness moving towards 7D.

My concept of this is unorthodox. It's as though in offering this service a mosaic is disassembled {for the 6D entity}: the big picture detaches into myriad fragments and each tiny fragment is gently returned to it's container. Thuswise all the energetic charges that have accrued over an aeon to define an entity are discharged and lain to rest, thus dismantling all personal identity with Creation. At that point there would seem to be no longer any contention between this expression of consciousness and that one. They would all be on somewhat equal footing.

Therefore, it seems legit to me to say that positive polarity, as such, for the 6D entity is passe at that point. On the other hand, your observation of the general continuity is likewise valid. Why, I'll bet there are STS entities right now saying, "See, you STO guys are sissies because your path is easier and has more continuity!"


PS, If ever I get another chance to have a session with Qu'o, maybe I'll enquire about the spiritual principles (if any) in my mosaic model?

I only just now saw this interesting post. I'm not sure if this is relevant to your hypothesis or not, but it reminds me of Ra's statement that the more balanced an entity becomes, the less the need for parallel experiences.

[Monica]

How do you know you're a wanderer?

I don't. I might not be. How do any of us know? Many of us sort of assume so, after having read Carla's book, The Wanderer's Handbook and taking her quiz. It's not conclusive of course.

What were your Higher Self's motivations for this incarnation and/or your series of current incarnations? What lessons did it hope you would learn? Anything we can help you with?

I dunno. I'm just plodding along, trying to deal with my own catalyst, and shine the light, to raise the vibration of the planet, in any way I can. :-/

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Must have missed it. And if I were wiser, I would certainly not point out that Ra gave radiance/absorption as a synonym for positive/negative. On second thought, forget I said that!

Ah, so it was a trick question, was it?

93.3 ...Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.

I interpret this to mean that radiance is an attribute of the positive polarity, not that they are necessarily synonymous; ie. the positive polarity may have other characteristics as well. Conversely, radiance may apply to other states besides that which is polarized.

I can see how you get this out of that quote. That doesn't change the fact that Ra stated they seek without polarity, and that there is no polarity in late 6D.

[βαθμιαίος]

Ah, so it was a trick question, was it?

No, it really wasn't. It just occurred to me when I was trying to remember where you had said it before.

[Sacred Fool]

How do you know you're a wanderer?

I don't. I might not be. How do any of us know? Many of us sort of assume so, after having read Carla's book, The Wanderer's Handbook and taking her quiz. It's not conclusive of course.

What were your Higher Self's motivations for this incarnation and/or your series of current incarnations? What lessons did it hope you would learn? Anything we can help you with?

I dunno. I'm just plodding along, trying to deal with my own catalyst, and shine the light, to raise the vibration of the planet, in any way I can. :-/

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I guess I read you too literally...or something.

Sorry.

[Monica]

I guess I read you too literally...or something.

Sorry.

No problem! Not sure what you were referring to. I haven't said anything about myself personally, except for a single statement about being only able to speak for myself, not for others. (Which is all any of us can do.) All of my comments have been generalizations about Wanderers in general, based on my own interpretations of Ra's words.

Personally, I do feel a resonance with a lot of the info in Book IV, but it seems to be on hold right now, as though there is much I understand on some level, but not consciously pursuing intellectually. It's as though I have more urgent matters to attend to. I'm probably just feeling the same sense of urgency many of us are feeling, with all that's going on in the world right now.

Having said that, others have expressed the assumption that many, if not most, of the members of Bring4th are likely Wanderers, else they wouldn't have been attracted to the Law of One in the first place. I think that's probably an accurate assumption. I wouldn't want to play a game of "Which density are you from?" though, which could quickly escalate into one-upmanship and other silliness.

It's enough that we're all here doing what we can, and helping one another with our own unique perspectives.

[Sacred Fool]

I only just now saw this interesting post. I'm not sure if this is relevant to your hypothesis or not, but it reminds me of Ra's statement that the more balanced an entity becomes, the less the need for parallel experiences.

I consider it quite relevant, indeed.

Needing fewer and fewer parallel lifetimes is a very nice way to think of The End of Polarization, it seems to moi. Less need to learn through conflict, learn through contact, even. No more need for more fun house mirrors; single-mindedly dedicated to service.

Sounds kind of etiolated, doesn't it?


Funny, though, it doesn't seem to describe me very well.

Hmmm, maybe I'm doing something wrong??

OR, maybe not??

[Monica]

93.3 ...Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.

I interpret this to mean that radiance is an attribute of the positive polarity, not that they are necessarily synonymous; ie. the positive polarity may have other characteristics as well. Conversely, radiance may apply to other states besides that which is polarized.

Another clue that they aren't just synonyms is the term involved, which to me seems to imply that there is more to it; ie. the concept of radiation/absorption is included, but there is more to it than that.

[Sacred Fool]

Personally, I do feel a resonance with a lot of the info in Book IV, but it seems to be on hold right now, as though there is much I understand on some level, but not consciously pursuing intellectually. It's as though I have more urgent matters to attend to. I'm probably just feeling the same sense of urgency many of us are feeling, with all that's going on in the world right now.

The stuff going on with the world is a concern, indeed. But on the most local level, many of my lessons appear to be intractable, yet also quite simple--moving beyond arrogance, for example--and require no urgent measures to be taken. The catalyst comes to me on a daily basis and I deal with it as best I can.

[@ndy]

I only just now saw this interesting post. I'm not sure if this is relevant to your hypothesis or not, but it reminds me of Ra's statement that the more balanced an entity becomes, the less the need for parallel experiences.

Do you remeber were this may have been please?

It's kinda intreasting to me

[βαθμιαίος]

Needing fewer and fewer parallel lifetimes is a very nice way to think of The End of Polarization, it seems to moi. Less need to learn through conflict, learn through contact, even. No more need for more fun house mirrors; single-mindedly dedicated to service.

Sounds kind of etiolated, doesn't it?

Actually, it sounds kind of intense to me because lessons and experiences wouldn't be spread out over multiple lifetimes but rather focused in one. I am reminded of what Ra said about the magical personality:

It is a being of unity, a being of sixth density, and equivalent to what you call your Higher Self and at the same time is a personality enormously rich in variety of experience and subtlety of emotion.

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Another clue that they aren't just synonyms is the term involved, which to me seems to imply that there is more to it; ie. the concept of radiation/absorption is included, but there is more to it than that.

Are you trying to take back that bone you threw me? The point I was trying to make had to do, as peregrine aptly phrased it, with the general continuity of the path. I don't think you disagree with that, but please correct me if you do.

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Do you remeber were this may have been please?

Sure.

36.2 ...The mind/body/spirit complex totality is as the shifting sands and is in some part a collection of parallel developments of the same entity. This information is made available to the Higher Self aspect. This aspect may then use these projected probability/possibility vortices in order to better aid in what you would call future life programming.

36.3 ...The more in balance an entity becomes, the less the possibility/probability vortices may need to be explored in parallel experiences.

[Sacred Fool]

Sounds kind of etiolated, doesn't it?

Actually, it sounds kind of intense to me because lessons and experiences wouldn't be spread out over multiple lifetimes but rather focused in one.

Intense? I suppose, but to me it also sounds wonderfully artistic...to hearken back to some of my previous comments.

[Monica]

Are you trying to take back that bone you threw me?

Haha, I didn't think of it as a bone thrown at you.

The point I was trying to make had to do, as peregrine aptly phrased it, with the general continuity of the path. I don't think you disagree with that, but please correct me if you do.

Well I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree, because I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. You seem to be suggesting that there is a 'good' path that continues and a 'bad' path that ends.

In a sense, I'd say that's true, being that the path that 'is' continues while that path that 'is not' doesn't.

But I don't think it's quite as is being described (as far as I can tell) in this discussion. My impression is that the arguments laid out are seeking to label one path 'good' or 'better than' the other, and one path 'wins' over the other. That is still attributing the concept of duality, to a density that no longer has duality.

Why even think in terms of 'winning?'

To us, the STO path is certainly better. As they say, "good is better than evil because good is nicer." That is our bias.

But it seems to me that attributing such attributes to a path that is beyond our current polarized paths, is still seeing them from a perspective of separation.

I don't see one path as 'continuing' because that implies linear time, and we are talking about 6D here, which is not bound by linear time.

I would say that the path in late 6D isn't so much a continuation, but something new entirely.

I just don't think we can attribute 3D perceptions of good/bad to late 6D. Ra said negative AND positive polarity don't exist in late 6D. So I don't see how late 6D could be said to be a 'continuation' of something that no longer exists.

So in that sense, I would disagree.

Of course, this is based on my puny, limited understanding here in 3D. What do I know?

[βαθμιαίος]

Intense? I suppose, but to me it also sounds wonderfully artistic...to hearken back to some of my previous comments.

How about we compromise on full and rich?

Haha, I didn't think of it as a bone thrown at you.

Oh sure, now you're throwing it at me!

My impression is that the arguments laid out are seeking to label one path 'good' or 'better than' the other, and one path 'wins' over the other. That is still attributing the concept of duality, to a density that no longer has duality.

Why even think in terms of 'winning?'

Not sure where you're getting that from. I haven't labeled one path better than the other or talked (or even thought) in terms of winning.

[Monica]

Oh sure, now you're throwing it at me!

Oh no!! I didn't even catch that! I had to re-read it again before I saw it.

Not sure where you're getting that from. I haven't labeled one path better than the other or talked (or even thought) in terms of winning.

Not you personally. Not anyone personally. Just an impression, overall.

OK scratch that.

[Sacred Fool]

The point I was trying to make had to do, as peregrine aptly phrased it, with the general continuity of the path. I don't think you disagree with that, but please correct me if you do.

Well I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree, because I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. You seem to be suggesting that there is a 'good' path that continues and a 'bad' path that ends.

If I may interpose myself here, I believe Bathman was simply pointing to the fact that the general disposition of service to others/Creatrix begins, for the STO-type, in 3D and this general disposition seems to continue through 7D. The discussion was seeking refinement of that observation, in part, by noting what you said, that the game changes radically in mid-6D.

The business of "good path"/"bad path" was not included until you brought it up, so far as I can recall.

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Intense? I suppose, but to me it also sounds wonderfully artistic...to hearken back to some of my previous comments.

How about we compromise on full and rich?

No need to compromise. I was just adding my impression, not trying to alter yours.

[Monica]

If I may interpose myself here, I believe Bathman was simply pointing to the fact that the general disposition of service to others/Creatrix begins, for the STO-type, in 3D and this general disposition seems to continue through 7D. The discussion was seeking refinement of that observation, in part, by noting what you said, that the game changes radically in mid-6D.

The general disposition of serving others certainly does continue (not taking into consideration the minor little detail that there are no longer any other-selves to serve, since they are all ONE by that time).

It could just as easily be postulated that the STS path continues also, in the sense that all is ONE, so if an entity is serving All, it is serving Self as well. (And, conversely, if an entity serves other-selves, it is serving Self as well.)

What is discontinued isn't the serving of Self.

What is discontinued is the serving of Self at the exclusion of serving other-selves.

Whereas, STO's have a higher % of serving Self than the STS's have of serving other-selves.

It seems that both are true but differ in degree.

And yet none are true, in the sense that, once they are all ONE and there is no longer a differentiation between Self and Other-Self, it all becomes moot.