Hopi Law of Life AND L/L Law of One

[Kaaron]

My bad, I was under the impression that you had some knowledge in this area when you said "Hopi knowledge agrees with your information that migrations to America, as well as from other locations, derive from South Pacific Islands: our history goes far back to islands some call Mu or Lemuria."
The reason I asked for elaboration, is this isn't what my independent research has uncovered. I said the migration was from Jerusalem, accross America (starting on the east coast) and THEN into the Pacific. That you even mentioned the mainstream viewpoint, is quite strange to me as well.
Also, I don't feel that "new Jerusalem " is a physical occurrence...or that the leadership roles given to Moses and Aaron were positive.

[hounsic]

“...We believe there are many aliens who inhabit our universe, and, as with people here in our own World, some are good, and some are bad. All the good aliens have died and evolved to a higher life form, a life form that can live closer to the sun. We cannot see them, but they are there. They always occupy the Morning Star in any solar system. These good brothers and sisters know very well the rewards of the final human form. They know the peace that comes along with having the full use of the evolved human brain, and with hearing the full sound spectrum through the evolved human ear, and seeing the full color spectrum through the evolved human eye. They know the love and respect that comes with the wisdom of using every neuron in the evolved human brain. They would never deprive us of these great gifts of life and evolution. They would never entice us to leave our Earth Mother! Only by remaining with Her can we achieve the final step in our evolution.

Again, some may say, “we have no choice but to remain with Her!” We believe the choice will come. We believe that aliens will come and try to convince us to leave Her, and go with them. They will come when End Time is upon this World. We all know that End Time will be accompanied with devastation (the Earth’s birth pains), with tidal waves and earthquakes and volcanoes. We believe that when this is happening the aliens will descend on our Earth Mother and use everything in their power to convince us we should leave with them: “Your planet is going to self-destruct! Come with us; we live in a beautiful World where there is only good health and peace, where there is no poverty, no hunger, no disease.” They may even stoop so low as to call their world heaven, The Fifth World, Paradise, and other names of glory which are used to describe the Morning Star. But if we listen to them, if we go with them, we are assured of desolation. These terrible and ungodly aliens are ancient (by our earthly standards), and some of them have very beautiful bodies. But how did they get their beautiful bodies? How long can their bodies remain alive? Having stepped out of Nature and natural processes, having turned their backs on evolution, how do they sustain their lives?...”

May the sun always shine upon you,
Upaava Hohongwitutiwa - Daniel
[/quote]

I have to say this doesn't resonate with me at all, seems kind of fear based and separation leaning.
All the best to you though brother

[Hohongwitutiwa]

Ngungu'taota, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

Thank you for your thoughts and questions. Please note that I do not claim to be an expert on all subjects, but I will share the Hopi knowledge as accurately as possible, using direct quotes from my Hopi father at times to insure correctness.

Kaaron-- I am sorry we had a misunderstanding. The Hopi information is as I gave it, which does not relate to your Jewish thesis, as you pointed out. The question about Moses and Aaron is for each person to decide for themselves.

GentleWanderer-- I can feel that you are very much like your username, so I do not wish to cause you any discomfort. But many native people are upset by the NewAgey writings that especially proliferated in the 1980s, and thereafter. Mary Summer Rain is a good example of someone who invented a character (No Eyes) that sold her books. Many of these people wrote books, gave talks, and set up websites to make money, and did not accurately portray sacred knowledge. This was especially true of those who used popular interest in Native Americans to offer untrained and unauthorized sweat lodges, vision quests, etc. (at high prices), as SMC pointed out about cultural theft.

I do not wish to say anything about Drunvalo. It is not always easy to accept the truth, especially after our minds are filled with ideas we would like to believe. Goodness, compassion, kindness, love, beauty, and selfless service to our world and brothers and sisters ARE important. The personal half of our evolution (internal spiritual development) calls upon us to give to others. When we are busy helping those in need, we naturally forget ourselves, and in so doing we are on the road to the at-onement you mentioned.

hounsic-- I understand, new and different knowledge often does not resonate with us. Our quests for truth require open minds, being able to let go of old ideas when new ones are searched and found to be meaningful, not only in our minds, but also in our hearts and souls. As children, we were constantly reassessing the world, as adults, it is not as easy.

Diana-- To address your last question first: I am familiar with the Castaneda books, having glanced through them, but not reading them cover-to-cover. I cannot comment on what Carlos meant by “changing the direction of time” without seeing its context/meaning in the book.

For the Hopi, the Real Time we are given on Earth always moves forward, it is provided by our Earth Mother and is to be faithfully accepted, not fooled with. Our Real, Calendar Time affords us the progressive evolutionary route the Creator has designed for life to follow.

The website my Hopi father spoke at was called Spirit Web. It shut down around the year 2000, and when it was later reestablished, all the earlier content was gone. As I noted in the acknowledgements of the Earth Mother book, a person using the name White Tiger was present during my father's talks on the original Spirit Web, and later found me (I've used the same email address for many years) and sent me some of the chat logs from father' talks, some of which were used in the book. Here is a brief section of one of those logs (kwa'a means grandfather; Ookoomay is his granddaughter):

Log-file starts Sun Jan 24 08:25:27 1999 (MST)

Hopi kwa'a< The sacred path of Migration started long ago, when man was not
yet man, before he could stand up and walk. From that point, all who obeyed
their Earth Mother and followed this Path have evolved through many
different forms which pahana scientists call "species"
moonscape< yes,please tell us.
Solomon< Naangu'a i'paava!!! (((LOL)))
RunningRiver< I am listening with baited breath.S*
c_breeze< Ookoomay..mine is very fast now that I rebooted.
Ookoomay< we have evolved to this form of man now but we have one more step
to take. We do not use all of our brain or see all colors or hear all
sounds right now
Ookoomay< owi you me everyone in this fourth world have faced this six
times before with our Mother Earth
WhiteTiger< I ask that we all do our private talking with pm's, that
Hopi kwa'a can speak easy and let his words flow without the distraction of
our chatter...thank you...*S*

Your last question involves the '"bad" aliens and what they want with us according to Hopi teachings?” The answer relates to the question asked at the end of my last post: “how do they sustain themselves.” Your mention of the Mufon talk by a Native American who said “not to listen to extraterrestrials, that they are out to destroy and exploit us,” agrees with those we know of as space-timers-- those who deserted their Earth Mothers and natural evolution using “time as direction,” arrogantly putting themselves above our Creator. The Time Structure they are using is a natural part of the universe that was discovered long ago. It is the taboo place warned of in many sacred scriptures. The following should help answer earth_spirit's questions, too.

From the Earth Mother book:

“...American Indian prophecies (such as on the Prophecy Rock) warn us to steer clear of those that chose the zig-zag path instead of our straight line Time. On the Hopi Prophecy Rock, these beings are depicted as having no necks joining their heads to their bodies. Many people take this neckless head drawing as a sign that these beings are emotionless, because their hearts are not connected to their heads, but elders tell us it's because they lack the hormones produced by the thyroid gland (the thyroid gland is located in the neck).

These ungodly ones (departed God's plan for life) were once people like us who chose technology over evolution, making a grab at immortality in Space-Time. But it didn’t work out as they wished. They extended their lifespans, but like all biological creatures they finally die. When they die they are not accepted by a mother planet, and are biologically adapted to live in the darkness of outer space. Hence, references in some scriptures to being “cast out” to “outer darkness,” to “the deep,” or to the “pit of outer darkness.”

Those who choose extended life and technology over evolution become outcasts, finally needing to prey on others to sustain their lives. They know that when they die in Space-Time they will not receive newer and better bodies, as on Earth, but will devolve to a beastly form that cannot tolerate light. That is their reason for luring us there to replace those who defect: to sustain their lives by using us to replace their stale blood and withered organs. This accounts for many of the mysterious animal mutilations recorded. With this in mind, who would choose Space-Time over their Earth Mother and Her Time? My Hopi father explains:

“…The aliens, who will try to entice us to leave our Mother, have learned to manipulate Time; they can move around in Time….They can go backwards and forwards in Time, and in this way they can extend their lives. But however ancient they may be, they are not immortal. Their bodies age, although it takes longer. Even though they may look young and beautiful, by now they are very old, and their youthful appearance is superficial. Their internal organs are ancient and must be continually replaced. This is not what we want for our children and ourselves. It is not what I want. I want the incorruptible body of perfected man! I don’t want to have my gut sliced open from time to time and my innards replaced. I want incorruptible, internal organs...”

This post is getting long so I will stop here. You will probably have more questions; I will do my best to answer any you may have. Remember there is more information in the free Earth Mother book, if you wish to download it.

May the sun always shine upon you,
(now you know the meaning of this Hopi wish-- to not be condemned to the “Pit,” the darkness of outer space)

Your brother Hohongwitutiwa - Daniel

[smc]

Hi Daniel,

Are you the original/only author of the book 'Earth Mother Our Womb Of Life' ?

Can you clarify your relationship to "Joel Cohen" aka "Jim Kimmey" aka "Upaava"?

Can you please provide the name of your 'adopted' Hopi father?

Can you also please confirm if you are associated/connected with manataka.org ?

smc

[Hohongwitutiwa]

Greetings, SMC, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

My brother, it is clear that your questions are part of a campaign to attack me because of your beliefs about cultural theft (hopefully you're not a troll). But what really matters is whether what I am sharing, about myself and Hopi knowledge, is true as I have presented it, and that I am following what all Hopi are instructed to share at this time.

You may believe you are doing something good, but what you are doing is interfering with knowledge that is meant to be given out at this time, without concern for whether those reading here would like to receive it and decide for themselves what to do with it, if anything.

I have always planned to leave here after I finished providing the information to the satisfaction of those studying it. If the moderators of this site and the visitors reading here wish me to leave, I will respect their wishes.

I will answer one of your questions: I am the original and sole author of the Earth Mother book.

As your comments are not helpful and only interfere with the topic being discussed, I will continue sharing as long as people wish me to, without reply to you. Of course, if you wish to engage in real discussion of this material, I will be happy to join you.

May the sun always shine upon you,
Your brother Hohongwitutiwa - Daniel

[smc]

Hi Daniel,

There is no wish "to attack"; but definite concern with regard to possible cultural misrepresentation/appropriation; which is why these questions are valid, and necessary -

1) to determine the authenticity that what you're telling us are actual Hopi beliefs;

and

2) to show if you truly do have the authority to speak on behalf of Hopi.


If you are secure in your authority and authenticity, why won't you provide answers to these questions?


Spiritual and Cultural lineage of Indigenous people involves recognition and respect. This is fundamental to traditional cultures.

It's remiss of you to not provide the precise details of your being granted permission to speak on behalf of Hopi; so to now sidestep a query asking you to provide details is problematic.

A crucial aspect of the Ra Material is that purity of intent and exacting protocols were put in place to protect the authenticity and accuracy of the transmitted information.
So it's natural for a forum member to ask for this information from you.

Instead you reply that a valid attempt to establish your bona-fides is "part of a campaign to attack"

"interfering"
"without concern for" forum members
and not engaging in "real discussion of this material".

This seems evasive.

If you would answer these simple and relevant questions, dialogue can begin.

smc

[Bumblebee]

Hohongwitutiwa

Thank you for the information you provided in your book and in your posts.

If I understand you correctly, you state that one of the methods of deception will be to invite people into the space-ships, and another to teach them how to manipulate space-time, in order to escape destruction during (before?) the next step in planetary migration. And your warning is not to obey this luring, and stay loyal to the Earth. Is it correct?

I find this advice simple and genuine. Thank you.

[Hohongwitutiwa]

Hohongwitutiwa

Thank you for the information you provided in your book and in your posts.

If I understand you correctly, you state that one of the methods of deception will be to invite people into the space-ships, and another to teach them how to manipulate space-time, in order to escape destruction during (before?) the next step in planetary migration. And your warning is not to obey this luring, and stay loyal to the Earth. Is it correct?

I find this advice simple and genuine. Thank you.

Nakwa Bumblebee, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

Ta'a, yes, that is substantially correct. There are already doorways set up for travelling in time using time as direction (Hopi know this has been going on for many centuries), AND when the Earth's birthpains worsen so people are afraid, they will land in ships seeking to use our fear to ensnare as many of us as they can, as well as using lures to have us go with them. They know the Earth is about to migrate and this will be their last chance.

Yes, feel in your hearts all the Earth means to us, then remain immovable from Her to the end. If a world government is set up, where you will be chipped, do not participate in it. Live apart on the land with others who appreciate and respect the Earth.

With love and respect,
Your brother

[Hohongwitutiwa]

Nakwa SMC, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

I will make reply this one time, so people can decide if what you say are the only reasons for not disclosing more information.

First, I have already explained that I am not an official Hopi spokesperson, and that not all Hopi agree with sharing this information. I was forthright about that in my first post-- that means that I am not authorized to speak for the Hopi. That is your sole complaint and I have admitted it from the outset.

What you fail to address, because of your zeal on behalf of indigenous cultures (to your credit) is that there are circumstances in which the right thing to do is to follow the highest duty of your people, even when it goes against the “official” stance. This is true not only of indigenous people, but of all people in every situation and walk of life. I have explained, but you have ignored, why I am not following those Hopi who are not speaking out as I am (some Hopi are doing the same as me, because they know this is what they are instructed to do by our highest religious authority- Masau).

You are apparently unaware of Hopi history. The present Hopi Tribal Council was not fairly elected. It is a false council working with the American government to assist business interests, which have desecrated sacred Hopi land and betrayed the Hopi Way religion. If you do some research you will find what I've just said is true. As Dan Katchongva asserted, these people can no longer call themselves Hopi. If you really want to do right for the Hopi, become an activist on behalf of the true, traditional Hopi who continue to follow the Hopi Way, as I am.

As to the authenticity of what I am sharing, readers will have to use their free will to decide about me and the information they are receiving based upon their discernment. In the end, as always, sacred truth must be found within the mind, heart, and soul of each of us.

There is another thing you have failed to consider: there are strong religious and political feelings surrounding these matters, and harm can come to people by speaking out; harm has come to people for speaking out, even murders. That's a reason that people sometimes use aliases-- to protect themselves and their loved ones from harm.

My future posts will continue to share the Hopi knowledge until it has been fully given. As I said before, I will respect the wishes of the readers and moderators if they ever wish me to leave.

With love and respect,
Your brother Hohongwitutiwa - Daniel

[Bumblebee]

Nakwa Bumblebee, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

Ta'a, yes, that is substantially correct. There are already doorways set up for travelling in time using time as direction (Hopi know this has been going on for many centuries), AND when the Earth's birthpains worsen so people are afraid, they will land in ships seeking to use our fear to ensnare as many of us as they can, as well as using lures to have us go with them. They know the Earth is about to migrate and this will be their last chance.

Yes, feel in your hearts all the Earth means to us, then remain immovable from Her to the end. If a world government is set up, where you will be chipped, do not participate in it. Live apart on the land with others who appreciate and respect the Earth.

With love and respect,
Your brother

Hohongwitutiwa

Thank you for your response and the information you are sharing.

So, there are changes that we can observe here on the Earth, and there are changes that should be also observable in the Sun itself. Because... "until the sun requires fuel"?

[Hohongwitutiwa]

Nakwa Bumblebee, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

Yes, the increasing number and severity of storms, earthquakes, volcanic activity, etc. are there to be seen (birthpangs), although the subject has been carefully avoided in the media. As you mentioned, when the planets all move up an orbit closer to the sun, Venus and Mercury will enter the sun, fuel the sun. Accordingly, as we near the time of the core's ejection/birth, we can expect unusual solar activity. I will speak about the movement of the inner, terrestrial planets during purification time in my next post.

The proof of the Hopi knowledge will be when the disclosure of the extraterrestrial presence on Earth is announced to the world, and all the lies and deceptions I've warned about come to pass. The heart of all I am sharing is to know and trust our Earth Mother, and how we can only progress by clinging tightly to Her.

May the sun always shine upon you,
Your brother Hohongwitutiwa

[smc]

Nakwa SMC, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

I will make reply this one time, so people can decide if what you say are the only reasons for not disclosing more information.

First, I have already explained that I am not an official Hopi spokesperson, and that not all Hopi agree with sharing this information. I was forthright about that in my first post-- that means that I am not authorized to speak for the Hopi. That is your sole complaint and I have admitted it from the outset.

This is not the sole concern. But in and of itself it is a most serious problem and to repeat that you have been "forthright" about your lack of authority to speak about sacred Hopi knowledge, doesn't (somehow) make your transgressions acceptable.
But even if you did have permission - to speak for Hopi you need to show proof that you are a Hopi. You need to show credentials. Otherwise everything you're saying cannot be verified, and may be a fiction.
How can you expect people to spend time considering your words if they're unsure of their provenance? Their legitimacy?
So, of additional concern is that you say that you are a Hopi. This requires proof of lineage. If your adopted Hopi father passed in 1999 there should be no concern for his safety in your telling us his name. There should be no issue with you providing character references from other Hopi who can attest to this adoption. Otherwise it's impossible to know if what you say is the truth. This means it's impossible to know if your 'messages' are true Hopi sacred knowledge. This is not an "attack" but a sensible precaution.

You are apparently unaware of Hopi history. The present Hopi Tribal Council was not fairly elected. It is a false council working with the American government to assist business interests, which have desecrated sacred Hopi land and betrayed the Hopi Way religion.

SMC is already (for many years now) aware of this aspect of Hopi history - and more. The situation is very complex and does not permit a reply here regarding these matters - without appropriate permission.

As to the authenticity of what I am sharing, readers will have to use their free will to decide about me and the information they are receiving based upon their discernment. In the end, as always, sacred truth must be found within the mind, heart, and soul of each of us.

There is another thing you have failed to consider: there are strong religious and political feelings surrounding these matters, and harm can come to people by speaking out; harm has come to people for speaking out, even murders. That's a reason that people sometimes use aliases-- to protect themselves and their loved ones from harm.

My future posts will continue to share the Hopi knowledge until it has been fully given. As I said before, I will respect the wishes of the readers and moderators if they ever wish me to leave.

In this statement you show exactly the concerns that are warranted by Indigenous peoples. Hopi information is sacred and a "euro-american" who decides that he will speak for Hopi when there are such serious issues within the Nation can not be considered to be showing good timing or cultural sensitivity; and you yourself admit you don't have the authority to speak for Hopi!

There are numerous website links that smc has access to - that prove you (and/or your deceased brother?) engaged/are engaging in, cultural misrepresentation and that an "Upaava" posing as an 'adopted' Hopi has been discussed with much concern, on American Indian Fraud watch list websites since (at least) 2005.

Would you like these links (with proof of your fraud) to be posted here?

You even acknowledge the very "strong religious and political feelings surrounding these matters" and speak of "aliases" and "murders" and "loved ones"... but what you show when you mention this is an incomplete truth - there are investigations for frauds of Indigenous cultures - but the aggressive actions are done by those committing the fraud when they're found out. Towards the whistle-blowers.
*Links with hard evidence to prove this are also readily available.

You have numerous online aliases/identities over at least the last 10 years.

If members wish to continue reading your posts that's their prerogative.

Mods are aware of this situation and yet to decide what action to take.

Daniel/John/Joel/etc, etc, perhaps you have only good intentions and are fraught with worry over information you received/misperceived long ago, and decided you needed to undertake your own personal mission to share it. Perhaps you felt it wouldn't be taken as seriously if you didn't present it as coming from an 'adopted Hopi'...
But please try to understand what you are doing is not sanctioned (or accurate), and you are causing offence and distress.

smc

[Diana]

If I may present a slightly different way of looking at SMC's concerns, which I think derive from love of B4 and respect for the space here:

1. One must use discernment in anything one hears/reads/sees. I have a friend who channels. Most people want to "prove" whether or not he is "really channeling." What does it matter? If the information is useful, use it. The only problem that complicates this is when people listen blindly, or follow without discernment and this is true for everything we do.

2. Many, many people have aliases. On this forum alone people have changed their names and no one here knew it—who knows why they did it—and some members felt betrayed. There may be many reasons why an individual does this and until we walk in their shoes, we don't know. It's really about them and their situation, not about us being betrayed. We always have choices.

Here is one fictional scenario to widen the view: the powers-that-be don't want empowering information to be accessible, and threaten those who have certain ideas, so some people stay hidden in whatever ways. I'm not saying at all that that is what Hohongwitutiwa is doing, it's just a way of getting out of the box of wanting to prove or disprove.

3. There are many threads here which discuss the bible. I for one think the bible is a primarily a bunch of nonsense, but still, I have read it, and I don't discount that there are snippets of useful or coincidental parts to put into the whole of my understanding of the nature of existence.

4. Carla channeled the Ra Material. From my point of view, if I wanted to "prove or disprove," I could ask how someone so involved in the bible could channel such "high" material. I could also question how someone who supported the enslavement of animals (eating fast-food burgers) could possibly have an open enough heart to not taint the material. But I don't think that way. It must be part of discernment to be aware that humans have paradigms and lenses, and the bottom line is whether or not I resonate with the material—whether the material can be useful to me at this point in my journey.

5. A lot of members here write like they "know" things. We choose to listen, agree, disagree, or whatever our own minds prompt us to do. Some members have done their own channeling themselves here. So how does one prove or disprove? Many feel Bashar is a fraud. It doesn't matter to me whether he is or not. The only thing I look at is whether the information is useful to me. So it's really all inside of me, and not external.

Everyone here is a being who, throughout life's journey, has gathered experience, information, feelings and so on. If Hohongwitutiwa has gathered information from the Hopi, how is that different from information I have gathered? If the Hopi want to keep their lore secret, that's fine. Common sense tells me that not all Hopi would want that—just as in any group where opinions vary. I am merely speculating as how could I know of others' motivations, hidden desires, missions, and so on? If it is in Hohongwitutiwa's conscience to share the knowledge he has gathered, or whatever his motivations may be, that is with him. It is with us to discern.

The above statements are just my opinions. I don't mean to stop anyone's investigating—free will is alive and well at B4. I just offer some out-of-the-box thinking.

[Nicholas]

If I may present a slightly different way of looking at SMC's concerns, which I think derive from love of B4 and respect for the space here:

Yes. It's all too easy to forget the highest and best sentence that ever existed on B4 (that is also a double entendre, btw   ).

Home Page: Bring4th, a double entendre suggesting bring forth your love and bring 4th density

Ra described what 4th density would look like, here

...it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus. - 16.50

So if we pretend that we are in 4th density here and now, and we are being greeted by the sorrows in third density, and we get a little caught up in that, we could remind ourselves that we come from a plane of compassion and understanding, and can automatically harmonise a situation together. Now that would be the birthing of an SMC! As well as a little weight off of the mods shoulders  

[Night Owl]

Whatever information is shared and whoever it is coming from, it's clear to me some ideas and intentions here are coming from a place of love and other from a place of fear. I think it's one's own buisiness to decide which one they want to listen to, whatever username/alias/race/gender/age/tribe they are using or think they belong to. Also, considering that everything is known outside the veil, there is no knowledge that is restricted to any group, even if those are the beliefs of the group itself. No knowledge actually comes from here anyway. Ownership of ideas, beliefs, and knowledge doesn't exist no matter they be spiritual, creative or personal. Exerting control on these things is negatively polarizing.

[smc]

The reference to use of aliases was not a comment against online forum aliases but that the OP has used several different names in connection with official promotion of himself and his book.

from:http://mycultureisnotatrend.tumblr.com/

“Indian Wannabes”

whitepeopleinheaddresses:

   From bluecorncomics:

       In Z Magazine, December 1990, Janet McCloud (Tulalip) explained the basic problem with wannabes:

       First they came to take our land and water, then our fish and game….Now they want our religions as well. All of a sudden, we have a lot of unscrupulous idiots running around saying they’re medicine people. And they’ll sell you a sweat lodge ceremony for fifty bucks. It’s not only wrong, its obscene. Indians don’t sell their spirituality to anybody, for any price. This is just another in a very long series of thefts from Indian people and, in some ways, this is the worst one yet.

       In his book Red Earth, White Lies, Vine Deloria, Jr. discussed why Americans wish they could be Indians:

       They are discontented with their society, their government, their religion, and everything around them and nothing is more appealing than to cast aside all inhibitions and stride back into the wilderness, or at least a wilderness theme park, seeking the nobility of the wily savage who once physically fought civilization and now, symbolically at least, is prepared to do it again.

       A passage from Ward Churchill’s book Indians Are Us? explains why this make-believe isn’t just harmless fun:

       Native American societies can and do suffer the socioculturally debilitating effects of spiritual trivialization and appropriation at the hands of the massive larger Euro-immigrant population which has come to dominate literally every other aspect of our existence.

As Margo Thunderbird, an activist of the Shinnecock Nation, has put it:
“They came for our land, for what grew or could be grown on it, for the resources in it, and for our clean air and pure water. They stole these things from us, and in the taking they also stole our free ways and the best of our leaders, killed in battle or assassinated. And now, after all that, they’ve come for the very last of our possessions; now they want our pride, our history, our spiritual traditions. They want to rewrite and remake these things, to claim them for themselves. The lies and thefts just never end.”

Or, as the Oneida scholar Pam Colorado frames the matter:
The process is ultimately intended to supplant Indians, even in areas of their own culture and spirituality. In the end, non-Indians will have complete power to define what is and what is not Indian, even for Indians. We are talking here about a complete ideological/conceptual subordination of Indian people in addition to the total physical subordination they already experience. When this happens, the last vestiges of real Indian society and Indian rights will disappear. Non-Indians will then claim to “own” our heritage and ideas as thoroughly as they now claim to own our land and resources.

This stuff matters."

Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of elements of one culture by members of another culture.
Cultural appropriation is destructive, as elements of a minority culture are used by members of the cultural majority; this is experienced as wrongfully oppressing the minority culture or stripping it of its group identity and intellectual property rights.

The "appropriation" or "misappropriation" refers to the adoption of these cultural elements in a colonial manner: elements are copied from a minority culture by members of the dominant culture, and these elements are used outside of their original cultural context—sometimes even against the expressed, stated wishes of representatives of the originating culture.

Often, the original meaning of these cultural elements is lost or distorted, which means that these uses may be viewed as disrespectful by members of the originating culture, or even as a form of desecration.

Cultural elements which may have deep meaning to the original culture can be reduced to "exotic" fashion by those from the dominant culture. When this is done, critics of cultural appropriation say that the imitator, "who does not experience that oppression is able to 'play,' temporarily, an 'exotic' other, without experiencing any of the daily discriminations faced by other cultures."

- this situation has no comparison to channelling.

- this OP is under investigation for fraud and cultural misrepresentation by numerous senior Native Americans.

If B4th members want to go up against these Indigenous people and argue B4th has a right to Hopi knowledge without permission (or in the case of the OP posting here - inaccurate/misrepresentations of Hopi culture that Hopi have asked him to stop spreading online and through his book) - the insensitivity and selfishness of that action will be met with anger far stronger than any assertive energy that smc has written here (on their behalf).

It is abusive to 'dabble' in the cultures of those who have suffered and have had their land stolen (and worse).

Recently a member here described Bring 4th as a "spiritual black hole".

smc would not go this far.... but would share that s/he has experienced some of the most disheartening, bullying and unthinkingly self centred behaviour on this website, which smc was wanting to be a strong and positive connection in daily life.

(NB: smc exists as more than one person (internally) and does not use 'the first person' for this reason. In other areas of life this is not the expression used - but smc thought it would be accepted and respected here, (rather than be the source of subtle mocking). Another reason for using 'smc' is to help de-personalise personal presence on B4 because the intimidation energy here can be so strong.)

As to "exerting control on these things is negatively polarising" ... the level of colonialism in this statement is astounding.... for to say that an invaded people do not have a right to keep their sacred secret cultural ceremonies private - is a 'service to self' viewpoint - not the other way around!

We don't get to have these broad spiritual philosophies about feeling we have the right to access other peoples sacred private business.

Because it's not ours to claim the right to access!

We are in 3D. Show sensitivity and respect. Check your privilege.

We are living on invaded/ stolen land!

No amount of metaphysical rationalising can counter the fact that we are benefiting from the dispossession of entire tribes of their lives, languages, lands. The damaging, even deadly effects are ongoing for those communities that survived the initial invasions.

Right up to the present day. To this minute.

Could we stop our consumerism (in this case spiritual) for one moment and reflect upon our unconscious, unending greed?

[smc]

NB: (from an Indigenous fraud watchdog website)

"In 2000, the Hopi Nation asked (the OP) to stop telling non-Indians about their prophecies because they are sacred, secret information that should be controlled by the Hopis.
(The OP) responded that Montongye and other elders who had given him permission to deliver the prophecies to whites were all dead, so, "I've got a bunch of ghosts to support me, and that's about all."

(link available upon request)

[Hohongwitutiwa]

Ngungu'taota, Tutskwa I'qatsi,

Diana-- thank you for supporting the opportunity for people to discern the truth.

Nicholas-- it is love that sends me here-- the Earth's love for Her children, and the love that connects me with each of you.

I would like to take a moment to speak about a friend of mine: John Kimmey. John died on Easter Sunday, 2011. He is missed by all who knew him. John was a close friend of Hopi Kikmongwi David Monongye (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Monongye) for many years. David was a mentor to John and taught him about the Hopi and the Hopi Way.

John was so respected by the Hopi that they asked him to become a teacher to their children on the reservation, which he did. John used his life to respect the earth and help the people of the world whenever he could. Part of his work was with native seed stocks, for which he was honored in the General Assembly of the United Nations in 1985.
http://motherearthfathersky.org/jack-hop...BAO1cnRvXg

I am proud to say John was a friend who shared Hopi knowledge as he learned it and as Kikmongwi David told him to share it. In the talks he gave in his later life, John used the Earth Mother book, recognizing its authenticity and truth. You will no doubt find websites berating John as a fraud, me too, but those sites are filled with misinformation and ignorance of the facts of true Hopi life, as only those who are part of that life truly understand.

My Hopi father was a priest, a Mongwi, a member of the Wimi who met secretly in their kivas. When the Hopi failed in their duty to openly share Hopi knowledge of EndTime as instructed by Masau, and aligned with the U.S. Government against the Hopi Way, my father chose to act as a true Hopi, doing as instructed. I joined him in that action, and continue in it since his death. Although i'uuna, my father, is no longer alive, members of his family are, which I respect in not providing his name.

As I mentioned before, it is up to you to find the truth using your own discernment. I am only here to provide the knowledge, leaving you to decide about me and the information being shared with you.

You have been given predictions of coming events, that when they occur your faith in knowing the truth can be supported.

Your coming choice to remain immovable from the Earth or abandon Her will be the most important decision you will ever have to make. When the time comes, choose wisely.

Naawakna nihqe kyaptsita – with love and respect,
Upaava (your elder brother) Hohongwitutiwa

[smc]

These are the answers that were asked for earlier which you refused to provide.

Unfortunately these answers are (proven) fabrications. (links can be provided if members need to see proof)

You are currently under investigation by Indigenous for your fraud in making these claims.

smc has no wish to argue this matter further.

Your and Johns fraud is being dealt with by Indigenous communities both online and offline.

[sjel]

Hello Hohongwitutiwa,

Thank you for sharing this with us.

Regarding the core-ejection - does this mean there will be a literal ejection of a physical mass from within the Earth's center? How big will this mass be?

Also, as to your warning not to leave Earth - this seems an easy choice, and obvious. Is this warning in place because there are many among the Earth peoples who would choose to leave? what is in store for those who choose to leave?

[Hohongwitutiwa]

Ngungu'taota (greetings, we are relatives), Tutskwa I'qatsi (Land is Life),

This will be my last post, although I will watch for any questions that may be asked after I am gone.

I have shared the most important Hopi knowledge to know in preparation for coming events. That knowledge is basically simple:

Our Mother Earth IS our Land and our Life; it is only with Her that we can complete our evolution and progress to our higher life at the end of this purification time.

The increasing number and severity of storms and geo-disturbances are the Earth's birthpains as She prepares to birth Her Core-Egg and move up to the orbit of the Morning Star.

Within the universe there is a time-structure that has been secretly used for many centuries. Soon, disclosure of a time-frame within that structure will be deceptively announced to the world in order to ensnare as many of us as they can for their own agenda, not our welfare as they will try and make us believe. They will use lures and fear to drive us from our Mother Earth to where they can use us.

The following is how the terrestrial planets of our system will migrate at the end of this purification cycle:

Venus and Mercury (an ejected Core) will move into the Sun, fueling the Sun.

Earth (and the rest of the planets) will eject their cores, which will become moons.

The Earth and Her present moon will move closer to the Sun, the Earth assuming the orbit and density of the Morning Star, our moon assuming the orbit formerly held by Mercury.

The Earth's ejected core will remain in the Earth's former orbit becoming a moon for Mars as it moves up to assume the old orbit of the Earth.

The Earth has become the “new heaven,” and Mars has become the “new Earth.”

“...Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more...” (Rev. 21:1)

In my early posts, I gave links to where you can download the Earth Mother book for free, and the blog of the woman researching the science behind the Hopi information.

I look forward to communicating with all those who wrote me privately.

I sincerely hope that all of you will faithfully trust in the Earth who has nurtured you for so long and so far, and always remain immovable from Her. That choice will be yours to make.

May the sun always shine upon you,
Your brother Hohongwitutiwa

[Night Owl]

The reference to use of aliases was not a comment against online forum aliases but that the OP has used several different names in connection with official promotion of himself and his book.

from:http://mycultureisnotatrend.tumblr.com/

“Indian Wannabes”

whitepeopleinheaddresses:

   From bluecorncomics:

       In Z Magazine, December 1990, Janet McCloud (Tulalip) explained the basic problem with wannabes:

       First they came to take our land and water, then our fish and game….Now they want our religions as well. All of a sudden, we have a lot of unscrupulous idiots running around saying they’re medicine people. And they’ll sell you a sweat lodge ceremony for fifty bucks. It’s not only wrong, its obscene. Indians don’t sell their spirituality to anybody, for any price. This is just another in a very long series of thefts from Indian people and, in some ways, this is the worst one yet.

       In his book Red Earth, White Lies, Vine Deloria, Jr. discussed why Americans wish they could be Indians:

       They are discontented with their society, their government, their religion, and everything around them and nothing is more appealing than to cast aside all inhibitions and stride back into the wilderness, or at least a wilderness theme park, seeking the nobility of the wily savage who once physically fought civilization and now, symbolically at least, is prepared to do it again.

       A passage from Ward Churchill’s book Indians Are Us? explains why this make-believe isn’t just harmless fun:

       Native American societies can and do suffer the socioculturally debilitating effects of spiritual trivialization and appropriation at the hands of the massive larger Euro-immigrant population which has come to dominate literally every other aspect of our existence.

As Margo Thunderbird, an activist of the Shinnecock Nation, has put it:
“They came for our land, for what grew or could be grown on it, for the resources in it, and for our clean air and pure water. They stole these things from us, and in the taking they also stole our free ways and the best of our leaders, killed in battle or assassinated. And now, after all that, they’ve come for the very last of our possessions; now they want our pride, our history, our spiritual traditions. They want to rewrite and remake these things, to claim them for themselves. The lies and thefts just never end.”

Or, as the Oneida scholar Pam Colorado frames the matter:
The process is ultimately intended to supplant Indians, even in areas of their own culture and spirituality. In the end, non-Indians will have complete power to define what is and what is not Indian, even for Indians. We are talking here about a complete ideological/conceptual subordination of Indian people in addition to the total physical subordination they already experience. When this happens, the last vestiges of real Indian society and Indian rights will disappear. Non-Indians will then claim to “own” our heritage and ideas as thoroughly as they now claim to own our land and resources.

This stuff matters."

Cultural appropriation is the adoption or use of elements of one culture by members of another culture.
Cultural appropriation is destructive, as elements of a minority culture are used by members of the cultural majority; this is experienced as wrongfully oppressing the minority culture or stripping it of its group identity and intellectual property rights.

The "appropriation" or "misappropriation" refers to the adoption of these cultural elements in a colonial manner: elements are copied from a minority culture by members of the dominant culture, and these elements are used outside of their original cultural context—sometimes even against the expressed, stated wishes of representatives of the originating culture.

Often, the original meaning of these cultural elements is lost or distorted, which means that these uses may be viewed as disrespectful by members of the originating culture, or even as a form of desecration.

Cultural elements which may have deep meaning to the original culture can be reduced to "exotic" fashion by those from the dominant culture. When this is done, critics of cultural appropriation say that the imitator, "who does not experience that oppression is able to 'play,' temporarily, an 'exotic' other, without experiencing any of the daily discriminations faced by other cultures."

- this situation has no comparison to channelling.

- this OP is under investigation for fraud and cultural misrepresentation by numerous senior Native Americans.

If B4th members want to go up against these Indigenous people and argue B4th has a right to Hopi knowledge without permission (or in the case of the OP posting here - inaccurate/misrepresentations of Hopi culture that Hopi have asked him to stop spreading online and through his book) - the insensitivity and selfishness of that action will be met with anger far stronger than any assertive energy that smc has written here (on their behalf).

It is abusive to 'dabble' in the cultures of those who have suffered and have had their land stolen (and worse).

Recently a member here described Bring 4th as a "spiritual black hole".

smc would not go this far.... but would share that s/he has experienced some of the most disheartening, bullying and unthinkingly self centred behaviour on this website, which smc was wanting to be a strong and positive connection in daily life.

(NB: smc exists as more than one person (internally) and does not use 'the first person' for this reason. In other areas of life this is not the expression used - but smc thought it would be accepted and respected here, (rather than be the source of subtle mocking). Another reason for using 'smc' is to help de-personalise personal presence on B4 because the intimidation energy here can be so strong.)

As to "exerting control on these things is negatively polarising" ... the level of colonialism in this statement is astounding.... for to say that an invaded people do not have a right to keep their sacred secret cultural ceremonies private - is a 'service to self' viewpoint - not the other way around!

We don't get to have these broad spiritual philosophies about feeling we have the right to access other peoples sacred private business.

Because it's not ours to claim the right to access!

We are in 3D. Show sensitivity and respect. Check your privilege.

We are living on invaded/ stolen land!

No amount of metaphysical rationalising can counter the fact that we are benefiting from the dispossession of entire tribes of their lives, languages, lands. The damaging, even deadly effects are ongoing for those communities that survived the initial invasions.

Right up to the present day. To this minute.

Could we stop our consumerism (in this case spiritual) for one moment and reflect upon our unconscious, unending greed?

I understand you can be angry, but projecting this anger on someone else will not make you feel better and it will not solve your concern either. I'm not mocking you. I'm not claiming access either. I'm not speaking on behalf of stealing people. I'm not responsible for past colonisations. I don't live on hopi's lands either. Knowledge has no owners just as lands have no owners. Humans cannot own any of these things. Only believe they can for a short while. It is not any social gathering's buisiness to decide whether he has infringed someone. If he is lying, he has to live with himself. Nothing you or anyone can do will do anything more to it. Realize that ''Right up to the present day. To this minute.'' nobody who invaded the lands of maori's are alive on this forum. Do not make them feel responsible for that.

[Kaaron]

My name is Kaaron Robert Mackie
My father was Papanui Turei Hohepa II aka Robert Turei Mackie
His father was Turei Hohepa
His father was Hohepa Petera...
I could go on for another 20 generations of Rangatira and Tohunga (Chiefs and Priests) until I reach the ancestor of mine, Ngatoroirangi.
Ngatoroirangi was the High Priest that used incantations to change weather, call whales and eventually even call lava from Papatuanuku (mother earth).
Near death, Ngātoro-i-rangi called back to his two sisters, Kuiwai and Haungaroa, who had also come from Hawaiki but remained upon Whakaari (White Island) to send him sacred fire which they had brought from Hawaiki. This they did, sending the geothermal fire in the form of two taniwha (powerful spirits) named Te Pupu and Te Haeata, by a subterranean passage to the top of Tongariro. The tracks of these two taniwha formed the line of geothermal fire which extends from the Pacific Ocean and beneath the Taupō Volcanic Zone, and is seen in the many volcanoes and hot-springs extending from Whakaari to Tokaanu and up to the Tongariro massif. The fire arrived just in time to save Ngātoro-i-rangi from freezing to death, but Ngāuruhoe was already dead by the time Ngātoro-i-rangi turned to give him the fire.

Ngātoro-i-rangi named a large number of places in the Central Plateau of the North Island in order to claim the area on behalf of his descendents, who would eventually return under the mantle of the tribe Ngāti Tūwharetoa. Due to the clouds that swarmed around the mountains Pihanga, Ruapehu, Tongariro, and Ngaruahoe the desert road side was unknown to Ngātoro-i-rangi at this time which is why the borderlines of Ngati Tuwharetoa are one side of Mt. Ruapehu.

On my Fathers Mothers side, I am descended from a line of Tohunga who have the eponymous ancestor of Ruawharo. The High Priest on the Takitimu waka...the one that carried all of the most important Rangatira and Tohunga, to New Zealand.

Alongside this lineage, I am also descended from the Urukehu or those who were here before the waka. I have the stories of the people who descended through the densities and existed as the fairy people. We were here as Wairua or spirit before we were incarnate.


I say this so that I can point out, that it means nothing.
Whatever "truth" there is in indigenous prophecy...anyone can access it. It's a case of letting go and knowing what you need to know for you, right now. The all will tell you and you'll know exactly what to do...right now...and now....and when the aliens show up.
That's the problem.
The dickheads at the top...I'm talking about MY DIPSHIT GRANDPARENTS...decided that they would keep the knowledge to themselves. Not to safeguard it from "the powers that be"...but because they WERE "the powers that be". With the invading waka that came around 1000 years ago, came the idea that only the high born and certain chosen were told of the higher truths and ways of manipulating energy. The common people were taught other "many god" teachings.
Our tribe has land where our conquering forefathers carved Orion constellations into rock and up until about a hundred years ago, we still used the old "when the mucus comes out of their nose, they're cooked", roasting method. That's how far they fell from pure spirit (mostly by force by invading warring tribes).

Personally, I don't get the whole "misappropriation of culture" thing. I know it sux what happened to us and alot of other people around the planet...FFS - We even have a legal document called the treaty of waitangi...they still won't let us govern ourselves...even though it was set up to govern the "unruly English 'settlers'"...and the govt isn't legally allowed to exist without it. It's really quite laughable.
I have spent alot of time being angry at the system for it's attitude towards me and what I thought was "my culture".

In the end...I realized that truth is truth. It's there in it's purest form, to all who put their heart in the right place and let go. Then you get the real truth. That truth, is what YOU need to know for NOW.

I feel like the utmost endeavor, should be that of remembering that all is one.
That the concepts that inspire deeper connection to all that is, are usually fun and interesting.
That all there is, is love. When you align yourself with that love, it aligns everything with you.
In this way, said events will come and go but you will remain as you are, in every time, all ways.

[smc]

Night Owl, why are you referring to Maori ? - smc is in Australia - and your profile says you're in Canada, and the post you quote is about Native Americans (and Indigenous worldwide).

[Diana]

The core message here, about Mother Earth, is something I have felt very strongly. Not the particulars, but the general idea of being close to, respecting and loving our "mother." My paternal grandfather was Tuscaroran Iroquois so maybe I already have a "blood" propensity to align with Native American teachings. 

I find the Hopi prophecy very interesting about the planets birthing their cores. Whether it is metaphorical or not, it does seem to line up with many other ideas, including a graduation to 4th density and being closer to the sun by moving into the position of Venus.

Question: So then what happens to the beings inhabiting Venus and Mercury? 

[Bumblebee]

Question: So then what happens to the beings inhabiting Venus and Mercury? 

I am wondering as well... I hope he is coming back to answer your question.

But if this is correct

"Planets are produced by their sun and they migrate back to their sun to be converted into energy. A solar system is the ultimate recycling living organism."

then I think that the Venus beings will become the Sun.

[BlatzAdict]

while the info is interesting i don't think planets become energy for the sun, i think they grow and become their own star, that then spits out it's own planets.

[Minyatur]

while the info is interesting i don't think planets become energy for the sun, i think they grow and become their own star, that then spits out it's own planets.

Actually I had thought since long ago it works that way, things move on their own and gradually merge to increase spiritual mass and re-join with the One. Although I don't think there are standards much. I would say the two possibilities work and also that planets don't necessarily come from the Star they orbit.

The Earth already is a cummulation of many things just like the Sun is. None is so much something of it's own.

[Minyatur]

@Hohongwitutiwa

As someone who's culture has been to connect with Mother Earth a lot, I was wondering if you can give us insights on the true feelings of this world about it's inhabitants and on-going events.

I think more often than not, people project their own feelings in attempting to describe this. I have an answer of my own and would enjoy seeing the constrast with your reply to see if I also am projecting my own feelings unto this world.

[Night Owl]

Night Owl, why are you referring to Maori ? - smc is in Australia - and your profile says you're in Canada, and the post you quote is about Native Americans (and Indigenous worldwide).

Sorry, typos from a post I had copy pasted without changing name. I meant hopi, my mistake. Will change in previous post.