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[GentleWanderer]

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[Dekalb_Blues]

 



"Music is best." -- Frank Zappa

[APeacefulWarrior]

I have my doubts about this on general principle. By 7th Density, all individual personality has been given up in favor of embracing cosmic wholeness. Unless he's using a different "density" scale than Ra, 6D should be the highest density where a specific entity is still channel-able.

Now, iirc, some of the channelled entities have used a twelve-density scale rather than seven. So it could make sense if that's what's going on, but that would also mean the Hathors are more like 5D by Ra's counting.

[GentleWanderer]

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[GentleWanderer]

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[Ashim]

I have my doubts about this on general principle.  By 7th Density, all individual personality has been given up in favor of embracing cosmic wholeness.  Unless he's using a different "density" scale than Ra, 6D should be the highest density where a specific entity is still channel-able.

Now, iirc, some of the channelled entities have used a twelve-density scale rather than seven.  So it could make sense if that's what's going on, but that would also mean the Hathors are more like 5D by Ra's counting.

Not sure about this one. It could be that Ra's "teachers" are of 7th density, unless they are just more developed 6th density, which is unlikely.

Ra: I am Ra. We wish to establish that we are truly humble messengers of the Law of One. We can speak to you of our experiences and our understandings and teach/learn in limited ways. However, we cannot speak in firm knowledge of all the creations. We know only that they are infinite. We assume an infinite number of octaves.

However, it has been impressed upon us by our own teachers that there is a mystery-clad unity of creation in which all consciousness periodically coalesces and again begins. Thus we can only say we assume an infinite progression though we understand it to be cyclical in nature and, as we have said, clad in mystery.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I don't believe Ra ever specifically said who\what his teachers are. I sort of got the feeling they were the light-bringers/Guardians from beyond the octave, who "also wander" and "come to aid our octave in its Logos completion." (52.12) He doesn't SAY they're his own teachers, but it seems like a reasonable assumption.

Because on the matter of 7D, he says pretty clearly: "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all." (16.22) It's very hard for me to imagine how an entity in such a state could ALSO be taking time to chat personally with channeling humans. A 7D entity even giving itself a name\personality would be in contradiction to this state, as Ra describes it, whereas Hathor almost immediately starts talking about their history.

Also, just as a more personal opinion: This Hathor "sounds" 5D. Skimming over the material, like their introduction of themselves, both their manner of speaking and their topics of interest are fairly similar to other 5D channeled sources.

This isn't to denigrate them, of course. They sound quite pleasant and interesting. But I'm just not finding it likely that they're 7D by Ra's scale.

[GentleWanderer]

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[APeacefulWarrior]

Well, a lot of it would boil down to their focus, as well as what they don't talk about, since they'd have great difficulty discussing the "mysteries" of questions above their density. 4D (positive) entities speak mostly of love and service for others, without discussing the "big picture" much. 5Ds have a blend of love and wisdom, and often talk of hyper-dimensionality and what we'd call "quantum" multiverses. It seems like 5Ds are the ones often pushing the "you create your own reality" angle, which follows from their wisdom focus.

6Ds are harder to talk about, since there haven't been many channeled, but at least going by Ra it seems fair to think they're a bit "colder" or more impersonal, and focused on the Big Picture to the point of considering day-to-day details to be largely irrelevant. Oneness was Ra's focus, and what he seemed to prefer talking about, whereas 4Ds and 5Ds just sort of mention it as being true without dwelling on it much.

But, of course, that's just my own observations from reading various channeled texts.

[Ashim]

I don't believe Ra ever specifically said who\what his teachers are.  I sort of got the feeling they were the light-bringers/Guardians from beyond the octave, who "also wander" and "come to aid our octave in its Logos completion."  (52.12)  He doesn't SAY they're his own teachers, but it seems like a reasonable assumption.

Because on the matter of 7D, he says pretty clearly:  "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."  (16.22)  It's very hard for me to imagine how an entity in such a state could ALSO be taking time to chat personally with channeling humans.  A 7D entity even giving itself a name\personality would be in contradiction to this state, as Ra describes it, whereas Hathor almost immediately starts talking about their history.

Also, just as a more personal opinion:  This Hathor "sounds" 5D.  Skimming over the material, like their introduction of themselves, both their manner of speaking and their topics of interest are fairly similar to other 5D channeled sources.  

This isn't to denigrate them, of course.  They sound quite pleasant and interesting.  But I'm just not finding it likely that they're 7D by Ra's scale.

Still do not agree. Ra refers to seven as "the gateway cycle", so during 7th density a group will not yet have traversed into the next octave.
Ra states in your quote above that they will "become" "one with all" at that level if their efforts are sufficient, so not only would the memory complex still be in tact but they would also be able to act as teachers to lower density groups and walk the universe with "unfettered tread".

[APeacefulWarrior]

Still do not agree. Ra refers to seven as "the gateway cycle", so during 7th density a group will not yet have traversed into the next octave.
Ra states in your quote above that they will "become" "one with all" at that level if their efforts are sufficient, so not only would the memory complex still be in tact but they would also be able to act as teachers to lower density groups and walk the universe with "unfettered tread".

But... how do you reconcile Ra saying that a 7D entity has "no memory, no identity, past, or future," while this Hathor group very specifically names themselves and almost immediately starts talking about their past? That's absolutely contradictory to Ra's description of 7D. Ra doesn't say these are things that will come with the Octave, he says that is the state of 7D. (The Octave\8D involves birthing a new cosmos and is The Creator's own next step in development.) Also, he never said anything in the materials I'm aware of claiming that 7D entities act as teachers. The "unfettered tread" line (in 48.10) wasn't said in direct reference to 7D either.

In the meantime, the idea that this Hathor group is using the 12-Density scale that some other channeled entities use allows the claim of them being "7D" to make perfect sense without completely contradicting what we've been told about 7th Density as Ra sees it.

Or, to put it another way, what reasons do you have for thinking this Hathor group has achieved cosmic oneness aside from the use of "7th Density"...? Is there something about their message or the contents therein which would lead you to believe they're a level more evolved, wise, and knowing than Ra is? I mean, we can quibble over Ra's somewhat-obscure wording all day, but that's what this still boils down to.

What specifically makes you believe Hathor is 7D by Ra's scale?

[Ashim]

Still do not agree. Ra refers to seven as "the gateway cycle", so during 7th density a group will not yet have traversed into the next octave.
Ra states in your quote above that they will "become" "one with all" at that level if their efforts are sufficient, so not only would the memory complex still be in tact but they would also be able to act as teachers to lower density groups and walk the universe with "unfettered tread".

But...  how do you reconcile Ra saying that a 7D entity has "no memory, no identity, past, or future," while this Hathor group very specifically names themselves and almost immediately starts talking about their past?  That's absolutely contradictory to Ra's description of 7D.   Ra doesn't say these are things that will come with the Octave, he says that is the state of 7D.  (The Octave\8D involves birthing a new cosmos and is The Creator's own next step in development.)   Also, he never said anything in the materials I'm aware of claiming that 7D entities act as teachers.  The "unfettered tread" line (in 48.10) wasn't said in direct reference to 7D either.

In the meantime, the idea that this Hathor group is using the 12-Density scale that some other channeled entities use allows the claim of them being "7D" to make perfect sense without completely contradicting what we've been told about 7th Density as Ra sees it.  

Or, to put it another way, what reasons do you have for thinking this Hathor group has achieved cosmic oneness aside from the use of "7th Density"...?   Is there something about their message or the contents therein which would lead you to believe they're a level more evolved, wise, and knowing than Ra is?  I mean, we can quibble over Ra's somewhat-obscure wording all day, but that's what this still boils down to.  

What specifically makes you believe Hathor is 7D by Ra's scale?

I have really no idea about Hathor being 7d, I'm just trying to make sense of what has been said. It is my understanding that "no memory, no identity, etc." refers to having crossed into another universe from 7d to 8th. Where there is still some polarity then a bias must still exist, only towards the end of 7th density is this charge worked off, polarity integrated and the threshold into the next octave crossed.
Although I have read only very little of the Hathors they do claim to originate outside of our octave and had entered our universe by way of Sirius and then the etheric realms of venus. Seems to me that if you were 8th density, or had completed your own polarity game then returning to our universe would be a step down into 7d,. The Hathors would be fully aware of the density numbering system used by Ra, so I see no reason for them complicating this or causing confusion.

From 52.12

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion.

Just could be that the Hathors are Ra's teachers in a similar relationship to Ra and Quetzalcoatl. After all Hathor is regarded as being "the mother of Ra" or "the eye of Ra".

This from:http://www.ancient.eu/Hathor/

Through this association, Hathor came to be regarded as the mother of the sun god Ra and held a prominent place in his barge as it sailed across the night sky, into the underworld, and rose again at dawn. Her name means "Domain of Horus" or "Temple of Horus" which alludes to two concepts. The first allusion is to the part of the sky where the king (or dead king) could be rejuvenated and continue rule (or live again) while the second is to the myth that Horus, as sun god, entered her mouth each night to rest and returned with the dawn. In both cases, her name has to do with re-birth, rejuvenation, inspiration, and light. Her relationship with the sky identified her with Venus, the evening and morning star.

The "Seven Hathors".

[APeacefulWarrior]

I have really no idea about Hathor being 7d, I'm just trying to make sense of what has been said. It is my understanding that "no memory, no identity, etc." refers to having crossed into another universe from 7d to 8th. Where there is still some polarity then a bias must still exist, only towards the end of 7th density is this charge worked off, polarity integrated and the threshold into the next octave crossed.

Ooooh, I gotcha. Well, my own understanding is that the difference between 7th and 8th Density is that 7th is the point where individuality vanishes, and an entity fully re-integrates with the Creator. 8th is then the next step for the whole Creator, something which can only be accomplished once its Logos work is fully complete and all its component parts are reintegrated. The cosmos-Creation of 8th Density could be seen as the fulfillment of literally everything the Creator is, has been, and experienced during its time fragmented.

That's also why I tend to think the Guardians/Light-Bringers are the teachers Ra refers to, since he specifically talks about them helping the Creator complete the Logos work, along with regulating harvests. Also - and this isn't fully clear - I believe that the Light-Bringers are also the "Guardians" Ra refers to in 7.9 and other places as acting as advisers to the Council of Saturn. If that's the case, then it would be clear that these "light-bringers" are directly working with lower-density entities.

But there's enough discussion of little-g guardians and big-G Guardians that I'm not certain that's the case or whether big-G "Guardians" is always referring to the light-bringers talked about in sessions 51 and 52.

[GentleWanderer]

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[Ashim]

A Hathor text about jumping timelines, it's itunes with the concept of the low of attraction :

The fundamental principle, for jumping timelines, involves the coordination of a few significant fields of intentionality.

1) You identify the timeline you wish to move into.

2) You shift your vibrational state to match the timeline.

3) You lock in the vibrational state so it does not waver.

4) You take an action that is an expression of the new timeline.

5) Persevere.

http://tomkenyon.com/jumping-time-lines

Not surprising that their information is more specific, probably due to the more precise nature of the calling.

[Dekalb_Blues]

Dekalb, how do you know the music from Gurdjieff and DeHartmann is connected with the Hathors ? I know Tom channels
sounds/music whose aims is to activate the pineal gland, chakras or access others dimensions.

Hello, GW --
(Sorry, I meant to reply a moon-cycle-&-a-half ago but my tiny consciousness was shanghaied by the US-Prez-election hubbub & I lost track.)
Of course, all is one, so they are more than merely connected; they form a unity.   
However, down here on Earth I get your meaning. Your question includes a number of assumptions, though, which are perhaps unprofitable to address
directly (translation: I am feeling exceptionally lazy just now); suffice it to say that the Hathors and Messrs G. & DeH., though not directly connected
in the close-kin-like manner I presume you mean, are (more importantly, I think, and more to the point) both strongly connected to a third thing...
The real question is: what's the good old tertium quid? That's the hazelhatchery part, as James Joyce would have put it.
I included the Gurdjieff compositions because they carry on with the same ultimate theme (humankind encountering an incomparably finer but more demanding reality) from a different angle of approach, and are representative sonic memes of a certain human culture that has been of the first importance in the history  of human evolution on this planet. Music is just one of a broad spectrum of modalities this culture has for bridging the enormous distance between the average deeply-conditioned human being's subjective world (full of ignorantly-motivated repetitive lashings of hope and fear) and what could be called the "real" world (which is elsewise, more than somewhat).
Cheers!

[Frost7967]

I've noticed a lot of confusion in the metaphysical community about how dimensional levels are defined, and thus labeled; in addition, some confusion exists between the terms "density" and "dimension", which may not refer to the same thing. In this light:

1) Law of One material refers to "desnities" (which may only correlate to variable and questionable degrees, with "dimensions")

2) Other metaphysical writings seemingly even use the term "dimension" in different ways. For example, some (referring to the same universe/realm) say that 12 possible dimensions are at play here, while others reference only 9. Same realm, with same intrinsic templates governing its consciousness evolution, but the "steps along the way" are defined or grouped differently. Similarly, some speak of mankind (in the harvest period) entering 5th dimension, while others mention 4th dimension.

With such semantic confusion, we each possibly need to develop a clear inner sense of what is meant by the terminology of each Source, so as to better translate the intended meanings of one Source's labels understandably into the terminology of another Source's. Sort of a liguistic translation exercise.

[BlatzAdict]

It should be entirely possible for 7th density beings to arrive on a third density planet since

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51.1 Questioner: As we begin Book Three of The Law of One there are a couple of questions, one of fairly non-transient importance and one which I consider to be a bit transient that I feel obligated to ask because of communication with others.

The first is just clearing up final points about harvest for our friend [name]. And I was wondering if there is a supervision over the harvest and if so, why this supervision is necessary and how it works since an entity’s harvestability is the violet ray? Is it necessary for entities to supervise the harvest, or is it automatic? Could you answer this, please?
Ra: I am Ra. In time of harvest there are always harvesters. The fruit is formed as it will be, but there is some supervision necessary to ensure that this bounty is placed as it should be without the bruise or the blemish.

There are those of three levels watching over harvest.

The first level is planetary and that which may be called angelic. This type of guardian includes the mind/body/spirit complex totality or higher self of an entity and those inner plane entities which have been attracted to this entity through its inner seeking.

The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their higher self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light.

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light-bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet-ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet-ray selfhood.
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Just in case anyone missed this part:
"The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light-bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained."

Being from the octave above our own.. would denote, any density beyond 6th.