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    #31
    06-02-2015, 12:19 AM
    (06-01-2015, 06:00 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I'd think that an STS person would be more well off. Am I right about that?

    Ra: I am Ra. A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. Thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.

    However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.

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    that's Ra's understanding of things.  We choose the birth circumstances that are most in consonance with our life goals.

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    06-02-2015, 12:26 AM
    (06-02-2015, 12:19 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:
    (06-01-2015, 06:00 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I'd think that an STS person would be more well off. Am I right about that?

    Ra: I am Ra. A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. Thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.

    However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.

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    that's Ra's understanding of things.  We choose the birth circumstances that are most in consonance with our life goals.

    The bolded part does work for me other than I do not care for power. I think of the elite as silly people.

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    #33
    06-02-2015, 12:36 AM
    (06-02-2015, 12:19 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:
    (06-01-2015, 06:00 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I'd think that an STS person would be more well off. Am I right about that?

    Ra: I am Ra. A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. Thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.

    However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.

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    that's Ra's understanding of things.  We choose the birth circumstances that are most in consonance with our life goals.

    I seem to have a lot of really hard catalyst in my life. Some catalyst in my life is much more similar to other catalyst in my life. But the bottom line is that that bold statement doesn't really apply to me at all. My life is not really easy in any respect. The only thing easy about it is that I don't work (because I'm disabled), and I've had the good fortune of being acquainted with fascinating spiritual concepts such as is found in the LOO material. But the fact that I don't work doesn't really make me feel that I'm leading a meaningful existence.

    So it seems that I am, at heart, an STO being. Based solely on an examination of the circumstances of my life.

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    #34
    06-02-2015, 12:40 AM
    (06-02-2015, 12:36 AM)Lighthead Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:19 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:
    (06-01-2015, 06:00 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I'd think that an STS person would be more well off. Am I right about that?

    Ra: I am Ra. A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. Thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.

    However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.

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    that's Ra's understanding of things.  We choose the birth circumstances that are most in consonance with our life goals.

    I seem to have a lot of really hard catalyst in my life. Some catalyst in my life is much more similar to other catalyst in my life. But the bottom line is that that bold statement doesn't really apply to me at all. My life is not really easy in any respect. The only thing easy about it is that I don't work (because I'm disabled), and I've had the good fortune of being acquainted with fascinating spiritual concepts such as is found in the LOO material. But the fact that I don't work doesn't really make me feel that I'm leading a meaningful existence.

    So it seems that I am, at heart, an STO being. Based solely on an examination of the circumstances of my life.

    What about the non-bolded part?

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    06-02-2015, 12:48 AM
    (06-02-2015, 12:40 AM)Minyatur Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:36 AM)Lighthead Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:19 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:
    (06-01-2015, 06:00 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I'd think that an STS person would be more well off. Am I right about that?

    Ra: I am Ra. A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. Thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.

    However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.

    - -

    that's Ra's understanding of things.  We choose the birth circumstances that are most in consonance with our life goals.

    I seem to have a lot of really hard catalyst in my life. Some catalyst in my life is much more similar to other catalyst in my life. But the bottom line is that that bold statement doesn't really apply to me at all. My life is not really easy in any respect. The only thing easy about it is that I don't work (because I'm disabled), and I've had the good fortune of being acquainted with fascinating spiritual concepts such as is found in the LOO material. But the fact that I don't work doesn't really make me feel that I'm leading a meaningful existence.

    So it seems that I am, at heart, an STO being. Based solely on an examination of the circumstances of my life.

    What about the non-bolded part?

    That applies to me too. I have a mental illness and have ostearthritis that doctors are at a loss to explain. I'm too young and I never had a stress injury to that part of my body (or my leg in general). But just the raw amount of hard catalyst makes me doubt that I'm negative at my core.
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    #36
    06-02-2015, 12:52 AM
    (06-02-2015, 12:48 AM)Lighthead Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:40 AM)Minyatur Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:36 AM)Lighthead Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:19 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:
    (06-01-2015, 06:00 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I'd think that an STS person would be more well off. Am I right about that?

    Ra: I am Ra. A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. Thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.

    However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.

    - -

    that's Ra's understanding of things.  We choose the birth circumstances that are most in consonance with our life goals.

    I seem to have a lot of really hard catalyst in my life. Some catalyst in my life is much more similar to other catalyst in my life. But the bottom line is that that bold statement doesn't really apply to me at all. My life is not really easy in any respect. The only thing easy about it is that I don't work (because I'm disabled), and I've had the good fortune of being acquainted with fascinating spiritual concepts such as is found in the LOO material. But the fact that I don't work doesn't really make me feel that I'm leading a meaningful existence.

    So it seems that I am, at heart, an STO being. Based solely on an examination of the circumstances of my life.

    What about the non-bolded part?

    That applies to me too. I have a mental illness and have ostearthritis that doctors are at a loss to explain. I'm too young and I never had a stress injury to that part of my body (or my leg in general). But just the raw amount of hard catalyst makes me doubt that I'm negative at my core.

    Well there may be exploring negative emotions without being negative at the core.

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    06-02-2015, 12:56 AM
    (06-02-2015, 12:52 AM)Minyatur Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:48 AM)Lighthead Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:40 AM)Minyatur Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:36 AM)Lighthead Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:19 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Ra: I am Ra. A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. Thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.

    However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.

    - -

    that's Ra's understanding of things.  We choose the birth circumstances that are most in consonance with our life goals.

    I seem to have a lot of really hard catalyst in my life. Some catalyst in my life is much more similar to other catalyst in my life. But the bottom line is that that bold statement doesn't really apply to me at all. My life is not really easy in any respect. The only thing easy about it is that I don't work (because I'm disabled), and I've had the good fortune of being acquainted with fascinating spiritual concepts such as is found in the LOO material. But the fact that I don't work doesn't really make me feel that I'm leading a meaningful existence.

    So it seems that I am, at heart, an STO being. Based solely on an examination of the circumstances of my life.

    What about the non-bolded part?

    That applies to me too. I have a mental illness and have ostearthritis that doctors are at a loss to explain. I'm too young and I never had a stress injury to that part of my body (or my leg in general). But just the raw amount of hard catalyst makes me doubt that I'm negative at my core.

    Well there may be exploring negative emotions without being negative at the core.

    That's actually a good point that I hadn't thought of. Wink

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    #38
    06-02-2015, 02:05 AM
    (06-02-2015, 12:36 AM)Lighthead Wrote: So it seems that I am, at heart, an STO being.

    yeah, I think you are too.

    I can sense your kindness and solicitude for others.  It's the same kind of gentleness that Gemini has.  I don't think either of you would willingly hurt another human being; although, as Gemini also expressed - you may get frustrated at things and wish they were different.

    But the limitations we have in life can be so frustrating!  BigSmile

    I do wish you all the best; and thanks for sharing some of the personal circumstances of your life.  Namaste.
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    06-02-2015, 02:16 AM
    (06-02-2015, 02:05 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 12:36 AM)Lighthead Wrote: So it seems that I am, at heart, an STO being.

    yeah, I think you are too.

    I can sense your kindness and solicitude for others.  It's the same kind of gentleness that Gemini has.  I don't think either of you would willingly hurt another human being; although, as Gemini also expressed - you may get frustrated at things and wish they were different.

    But the limitations we have in life can be so frustrating!  BigSmile

    I do wish you all the best; and thanks for sharing some of the personal circumstances of your life.  Namaste.

    Thanks, Plen. I appreciate the kind thoughts. Liking your post is not enough. Heart

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    06-02-2015, 04:30 AM
    Gonna agree, Light.

    You're not evil or wrong in any aspect. I think you're frustrated and uncertain, like me in your own way.

    I think as far as polarity goes. There's one path split into three, left, middle, right. I opted out of all paths for the singledom aspect, All.

    But the work can still be done due to the core being more right-neutral in orientation, its realizing that All is One along the way I'm aiming for.

    All the Many, reconciled into One. Ive many in my head since I've awakened (it really is like a group of I's in my head) so I find I've many desires that conflict. If i can just reconcile myself i can move outwards instead of looking outwards for answers to utilize to reconcile.

    So for me, i understand polarity enough to look through it. The intent and actions change but the desires may be literally the same. And vice versa. Its unique and i feel like polarity isn't whats being learned but its the teacher teaching as learning along the way.

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    #41
    06-02-2015, 07:51 AM
    (06-01-2015, 03:36 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I'm not sure if others here have had this same experience. But, at least for me, why does it seem that the Law of One is easier to grasp than the concept of polarity? According to Ra, the first thing that is grasped in the lower densities is polarity, and then the Law of One. But I tend to find that the Law of One is much simpler and more meaningful. Has anybody had this feeling? Also, what is the seeming reason for this? Is it because wanderers want to jump straight into the denser material without wanting to master the basics (that have, essentially, already been mastered)?

    For me, the issue of polarity is such a difficult concept to grasp. And, for me, not only is it difficult, but it seems pointless as well. I mean why do I want to concern myself with issues that are ethical? For me, I want to go beyond that...way beyond that.

    Thoughts?

    Is it easier to grasp? Or does it just seem that way?

    Has the Tarot Fool already learned everything, or has he learned nothing? He is before even the beginning of the octave, even before the path itself. And yet he is the most evolved of all the archetypes. He comes full circle. And yet, he must still traverse the tree of life. And in so doing, he encounters polarity.

    Does the Fool really understand polarity before traversing the path? Or does he just think he does? It is easy for the Fool to say "I am the Master" and yet he is named The Fool.

    It is easy to say "I have no need to traverse the path, because I am already there" and yet one finds oneself on the path just the same.

    It is easy to say "I have no need of polarity because I am beyond all that" just as it is easy to say "I already learned all that because I am a Wanderer" but who among us really knows for sure from whence we wander, or whether we wander at all? Is it not rather sexy to assume one is a Wanderer and somehow beyond all that juvenile polarity stuff?

    Oneness is a sexier concept than polarity. Polarity is gritty and requires work. Far simpler to just float on the winds of time with no regard for anything, because, after all, it's all One and there is no right or wrong and nothing matters anyway, and besides, we're just visiting this planet and are much more highly evolved, so who wants to get their hands dirty and risk getting stuck in the muck, right?

    We needn't understand polarity at all. If anything, thinking that we understand it is likely to get in the way of polarizing. 

    Then again, so does thinking we understand Oneness, at the exclusion of polarity, when polarity is actually part of Oneness. 
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    06-02-2015, 08:02 AM
    (06-01-2015, 05:39 PM)Jeremy Wrote: My opinion is that if you are a wanderer, one of the reasons you chose to incarnate here was to further refine this inability to grasp the STO path. Sure you obviously mastered enough to graduate since you wandered from a higher density but something that which you'll have to find is missing within the concept.

    As far as polarity itself. Its a rather simple concept. Do you radiate or do you absorb? Do you find that in everyday life, your actions are more for personal gain or to help an other self in any way. It doesn't have to be some epiphany moment where you've brought them to some higher awareness of Self. It could be as simple as allowing someone to cross the street, getting over in traffic so someone can pull out, giving that homeless person some change, etc. Anything that you are automatically doing that is a service to an other self because once you say "oh it would be STO to help that person" it's been lost. It has to be this unconscious and unwavering urge to help an other self. I know from experience when I don't help, I get a very sad feeling almost guilt like that I didn't do something or do more for that person.

    Without the grasping of this basic concept, you're basically putting the cart before the horse. Trying to master higher energy level concepts would be difficult I would think without the groundwork being laid. The reason I say this is because if you can't grasp the concept of being of service to others, you're missing a vital yellow ray springboard into green ray expression which will then lead you on up the spiral of energy. 

    Well said! Key word here is IF.

    There seems to be a consensus here that everyone on this forum is automatically a Wanderer; else they never would have stumbled upon the Law of One. I disagree with this. I have met people in mainstream religions who were obviously Wanderers, who've never heard of the Law of One. Conversely, some people might just think a communication with aliens is cool and that doesn't necessarily mean they're Wanderers.

    Maybe the real issue here is too much presumption about being a Wanderer and what that means regarding whether polarity is important or not. Kinda like the evangelical Christians saying "It doesn't matter what I do because I'm saved! I've got my ticket!"
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    06-02-2015, 09:41 AM
    @Monica

    Wanderer or not, we are the Creator and we are what we are.

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    06-02-2015, 09:48 AM
    (06-02-2015, 09:41 AM)Minyatur Wrote: @Monica

    Wanderer or not, we are the Creator and we are what we are.

    Which is all well and good but placing a label upon ones self such as wanderer can lead one to assume a different set of parameters simply because some may say "well I've already done this so I don't need to do it again"  this is a dangerous assumption that can create massive imbalances because the lower energy centers haven't been properly activated thus causing instability in one's mental awareness. 

    Even though one is a wanderer and has realized this to be true,  doesnt mean that we don't have to play by the same rules. 
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    06-02-2015, 09:58 AM
    (06-02-2015, 09:48 AM)Jeremy Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 09:41 AM)Minyatur Wrote: @Monica

    Wanderer or not, we are the Creator and we are what we are.

    Which is all well and good but placing a label upon ones self such as wanderer can lead one to assume a different set of parameters simply because some may say "well I've already done this so I don't need to do it again"  this is a dangerous assumption that can create massive imbalances because the lower energy centers haven't been properly activated thus causing instability in one's mental awareness. 

    Even though one is a wanderer and has realized this to be true,  doesnt mean that we don't have to play by the same rules. 

    Except that there is no rules, we are infinite many-ness and everything we do is experience as the Creator of Himself. What you are not is something you are that is exploring something different than you currently are.

    If you want others to adhere to your own desires, you end up failing to perceive that ultimately other-selves are mirrors unto yourself just like you are nothing but a mirror unto them.

    As much as one wants to share love, there will be endless sorrow to heal and as much as one wants to destroy, there will be endless hapiness to tear apart. Ultimately all you actually do is learning about yourself.

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    06-02-2015, 11:03 AM
    What about being of service to others? It's all well and good to consciously live with the realization that we are all mirrors to each other and that the Creator  experiences itself in every way imaginable but that does nothing for the other self who is unaware of such a truth.

    Also there may not be rules but there are certainly guidelines. With such guidelines and responsibilities bestowed upon wanderers,  it can lead to misplaced priorities and ideals based upon something one may not be. Sure you can end everything with all is one blah blah but that does nothing on the ground where this illusion is the only thing that other selves realize exists. Your point of view is only considering the work upon oneself which I'm sure you're gonna say is also work upon the other self and that's great. It just doesn't take into account the ignorance to this truth of those who are still asleep
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    06-02-2015, 11:15 AM
    (06-02-2015, 09:41 AM)Minyatur Wrote: @Monica

    Wanderer or not, we are the Creator and we are what we are.

    We are what we decide we are.

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    06-02-2015, 11:17 AM
    (06-02-2015, 11:03 AM)Jeremy Wrote: What about being of service to others? It's all well and good to consciously live with the realization that we are all mirrors to each other and that the Creator  experiences itself in every way imaginable but that does nothing for the other self who is unaware of such a truth.

    Also there may not be rules but there are certainly guidelines. With such guidelines and responsibilities bestowed upon wanderers,  it can lead to misplaced priorities and ideals based upon something one may not be. Sure you can end everything with all is one blah blah but that does nothing on the ground where this illusion is the only thing that other selves realize exists. Your point of view is only considering the work upon oneself which I'm sure you're gonna say is also work upon the other self and that's great. It just doesn't take into account the ignorance to this truth of those who are still asleep

    I meant it more in a sense that we all are working on different things. That one's work is not another's work.

    There are no responsabilities other than self-imposed ones. There is no need for someone to be of service to others, there simply are those who incarnate this desire just as there are those who incarnate other desires. 

    IMO, no one is ever truly asleep, everyone is the One exploring a certain path of experiences under the First Distortion. Everyone is you doing different kind of work.

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    06-02-2015, 11:18 AM (This post was last modified: 06-02-2015, 11:21 AM by Minyatur.)
    (06-02-2015, 11:15 AM)Monica Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 09:41 AM)Minyatur Wrote: @Monica

    Wanderer or not, we are the Creator and we are what we are.

    We are what we decide we are.

    Half true, I can't very well decide to be you in awareness, I am but the continuation of my own origination just like you are.

    Maybe under different circumstances instead of being here on earth, you'd be elsewhere playing the role of a God of Destruction. Destroying worlds at your own whims.

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    06-02-2015, 11:21 AM
    (06-02-2015, 11:18 AM)Minyatur Wrote: Half true, I can't very well decide to be you in awareness, I am but the continuation of my own origination just like you are.

    Maybe under different circumstances instead of being here on earth, you'd be elsewhere playing the role of a God of Destruction. Destroying worlds at your own whim.

    You are me from choices you made long ago.

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    06-02-2015, 11:23 AM (This post was last modified: 06-02-2015, 11:25 AM by Minyatur.)
    (06-02-2015, 11:21 AM)Monica Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 11:18 AM)Minyatur Wrote: Half true, I can't very well decide to be you in awareness, I am but the continuation of my own origination just like you are.

    Maybe under different circumstances instead of being here on earth, you'd be elsewhere playing the role of a God of Destruction. Destroying worlds at your own whim.

    You are me from choices you made long ago.

    Maybe so, I am nothing but a veiled fool.

    Right we now simply do all have a different role into inter-balancing each others.

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    06-02-2015, 11:25 AM
    (06-02-2015, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote: I meant it more in a sense that we all are working on different things. That one's work is not another's work.

    You seem to be contradicting yourself.

    (06-02-2015, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote: There are no responsabilities other than self-imposed ones.

    They are responsibilities nonetheless. There is nothing wrong with something being self-imposed.

    (06-02-2015, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote: There is no need for someone to be of service to others, there simply are those who incarnate this desire just as there are those who incarnate other desires. 

    Right. And Ra just made all that stuff up about the attributes of the densities...what does Ra know anyway?
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    06-02-2015, 11:29 AM (This post was last modified: 06-02-2015, 11:51 AM by Minyatur.)
    (06-02-2015, 11:25 AM)Monica Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote: I meant it more in a sense that we all are working on different things. That one's work is not another's work.

    You seem to be contradicting yourself.

    I do not think I am.

    (06-02-2015, 11:25 AM)Monica Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote: There are no responsabilities other than self-imposed ones.

    They are responsibilities nonetheless. There is nothing wrong with something being self-imposed.

    Surely, but do not everyone impose on themselves different kinds of responsabilities?

    (06-02-2015, 11:25 AM)Monica Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote: There is no need for someone to be of service to others, there simply are those who incarnate this desire just as there are those who incarnate other desires. 

    Right. And Ra just made all that stuff up about the attributes of the densities...what does Ra know anyway?

    Ra is one who incarnate service to others, he did say there are many who are unlike him yet that are still the One and as such that are still him.

    So why is there those who incarnate something different than us? Well for us to understand how we are them through them.

    What is many-ness other than a service from the One to Itself?

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    06-02-2015, 11:30 AM
    (06-02-2015, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 11:03 AM)Jeremy Wrote: What about being of service to others? It's all well and good to consciously live with the realization that we are all mirrors to each other and that the Creator  experiences itself in every way imaginable but that does nothing for the other self who is unaware of such a truth.

    Also there may not be rules but there are certainly guidelines. With such guidelines and responsibilities bestowed upon wanderers,  it can lead to misplaced priorities and ideals based upon something one may not be. Sure you can end everything with all is one blah blah but that does nothing on the ground where this illusion is the only thing that other selves realize exists. Your point of view is only considering the work upon oneself which I'm sure you're gonna say is also work upon the other self and that's great. It just doesn't take into account the ignorance to this truth of those who are still asleep

    I meant it more in a sense that we all are working on different things. That one's work is not another's work.

    There are no responsabilities other than self-imposed ones. There is no need for someone to be of service to others, there simply are those who incarnate this desire just as there are those who incarnate other desires. 

    IMO, no one is ever truly asleep, everyone is the One exploring a certain path of experiences under the First Distortion. Everyone is you doing different kind of work.

    Trust me,  I get and agree with what you're saying but you're coming from the macrocosmic level of looking upon creation. All of what you've said is true except in the eyes of those who have yet to find this truth.  This is where I believe my work lies for others and upon myself. Because I realize that work upon an other self is also work upon myself but I don't consider that when the urge to help appears. Consciously deciding to work upon the self is indeed a service to the Creator but work upon the self can only take you so far. Once one starts to also see through the eyes of an other self who has yet to realize these truths,  you start to bring your perspective back down to the ground and the microcosmic level of our other selves. This is where service to others lies. 
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    06-02-2015, 11:38 AM (This post was last modified: 06-02-2015, 11:39 AM by Minyatur.)
    (06-02-2015, 11:30 AM)Jeremy Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 11:17 AM)Minyatur Wrote:
    (06-02-2015, 11:03 AM)Jeremy Wrote: What about being of service to others? It's all well and good to consciously live with the realization that we are all mirrors to each other and that the Creator  experiences itself in every way imaginable but that does nothing for the other self who is unaware of such a truth.

    Also there may not be rules but there are certainly guidelines. With such guidelines and responsibilities bestowed upon wanderers,  it can lead to misplaced priorities and ideals based upon something one may not be. Sure you can end everything with all is one blah blah but that does nothing on the ground where this illusion is the only thing that other selves realize exists. Your point of view is only considering the work upon oneself which I'm sure you're gonna say is also work upon the other self and that's great. It just doesn't take into account the ignorance to this truth of those who are still asleep

    I meant it more in a sense that we all are working on different things. That one's work is not another's work.

    There are no responsabilities other than self-imposed ones. There is no need for someone to be of service to others, there simply are those who incarnate this desire just as there are those who incarnate other desires. 

    IMO, no one is ever truly asleep, everyone is the One exploring a certain path of experiences under the First Distortion. Everyone is you doing different kind of work.

    Trust me,  I get and agree with what you're saying but you're coming from the macrocosmic level of looking upon creation. All of what you've said is true except in the eyes of those who have yet to find this truth.  This is where I believe my work lies for others and upon myself. Because I realize that work upon an other self is also work upon myself but I don't consider that when the urge to help appears. Consciously deciding to work upon the self is indeed a service to the Creator but work upon the self can only take you so far. Once one starts to also see through the eyes of an other self who has yet to realize these truths,  you start to bring your perspective back down to the ground and the microcosmic level of our other selves. This is where service to others lies. 

    Well I do have myself a STO inclination that is becoming more and more apparent to myself, althought the impact it has on me would be rather hard to explain.

    I meant it more that you cannot expect others to follow your current path as they all do have one of their own. Evolution takes many hundreds billions of years from what Ra said, that's just how much work each of us has to do and does point out that everyone here can be at various stages of their own working. Us being many-ness means there are infinite ways of beingness as the One learning of Himself.

    I would say STO is a kind of work upon self but that those who currently need to work on themselves in a STS manner can't so much do it any other way as they are now. So if you end up exhausting yourself on someone you cannot change his understanding, that is part of his role as a mirror to you and it is a mutual service.
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    06-02-2015, 12:50 PM
    (06-02-2015, 07:51 AM)Monica Wrote: Is it easier to grasp? Or does it just seem that way?

    Has the Tarot Fool already learned everything, or has he learned nothing? He is before even the beginning of the octave, even before the path itself. And yet he is the most evolved of all the archetypes. He comes full circle. And yet, he must still traverse the tree of life. And in so doing, he encounters polarity.

    Does the Fool really understand polarity before traversing the path? Or does he just think he does? It is easy for the Fool to say "I am the Master" and yet he is named The Fool.

    It is easy to say "I have no need to traverse the path, because I am already there" and yet one finds oneself on the path just the same.

    It is easy to say "I have no need of polarity because I am beyond all that" just as it is easy to say "I already learned all that because I am a Wanderer" but who among us really knows for sure from whence we wander, or whether we wander at all? Is it not rather sexy to assume one is a Wanderer and somehow beyond all that juvenile polarity stuff?

    Oneness is a sexier concept than polarity. Polarity is gritty and requires work. Far simpler to just float on the winds of time with no regard for anything, because, after all, it's all One and there is no right or wrong and nothing matters anyway, and besides, we're just visiting this planet and are much more highly evolved, so who wants to get their hands dirty and risk getting stuck in the muck, right?

    We needn't understand polarity at all. If anything, thinking that we understand it is likely to get in the way of polarizing. 

    Then again, so does thinking we understand Oneness, at the exclusion of polarity, when polarity is actually part of Oneness. 

    I do feel like the Fool when I contemplate polarity, so I do very much think that it is an apt card for "The Choice" card.

    And to be very honest, I realize that I don't really know if I'm a wanderer or not. I would actually prefer to not be a wanderer. I feel like I've thought about myself as a wanderer too much. It's time for a change.

    I also have realized with this thread that the key to Oneness is polarity. More specifically, at least in my mind, the polarity of the positive path. If you're a traveler on the positive path, the journey is a lot more difficult if you can't see the oneness of yourself in others.
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    06-02-2015, 01:35 PM (This post was last modified: 06-02-2015, 01:36 PM by Minyatur.)
    Apparently today the moon and sun are opposite to each others. The sun being in Gemini (my sun sign) and the moon being in Sagittarius (my moon sign), it is supposed to be a moment for the restructuration of old thought patterns that hinder growth and then you've got Monica with her moon-like avatar bringing to my attention I should become more STO polarized.

    Gotta love synchronicity days... stupid astral bodies telling me what to do.
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    06-10-2015, 02:52 AM
    Am I the only one who finds it rather irrelevant whether someone is a wanderer or not? It's not like it means anything really. It doesn't say anything on your polarization or what is your current level of awareness. It doesn't even give you anything more than a 3D person that works hard on awareness and spirituality. It seems pretty irrelevant on an infinity perspective. I'd tell someone who's pretty happy to be of any higher density: great now you've got infinite octaves to climb. Do you feel like not being 3D really puts anywhere? This is infinity from every perspectives, every scale and every levels. It probably seems pretty silly from higher octaves. Now just take it where you are and work it out!

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    06-10-2015, 04:23 AM (This post was last modified: 06-10-2015, 04:23 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
    Well, one substantial -subjective- difference is that many Wanderers presumably have a social-memory-complex at their back. The S-M-C would give them some measure of protection against psychic interference/attack, as well as giving the Wanderers more resources to draw upon if they awaken sufficiently to make contact with their S-M-C.

    A Wanderer might be said to have greater potential, although it would be up to them to actually make use of that potential. This would be pretty much in the same way that a one-ton weight suspended in the sky has more potential energy than a feather in the same situation. This has no bearing on whether the weight or the feather is "better" than the other, but the energy difference is still there.

    Now, in terms of their dealings with other people and\or the 3D world, you're right, it would probably make very little difference in the grand scheme in the vast majority of cases.
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    10-12-2015, 03:19 AM (This post was last modified: 10-12-2015, 03:20 AM by fiatlux0. Edit Reason: typo )
    (06-01-2015, 03:36 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I'm not sure if others here have had this same experience. But, at least for me, why does it seem that the Law of One is easier to grasp than the concept of polarity? According to Ra, the first thing that is grasped in the lower densities is polarity, and then the Law of One. But I tend to find that the Law of One is much simpler and more meaningful. Has anybody had this feeling? Also, what is the seeming reason for this? Is it because wanderers want to jump straight into the denser material without wanting to master the basics (that have, essentially, already been mastered)?

    For me, the issue of polarity is such a difficult concept to grasp. And, for me, not only is it difficult, but it seems pointless as well. I mean why do I want to concern myself with issues that are ethical? For me, I want to go beyond that...way beyond that.

    Thoughts?

    My understanding is that the Law of One seems easier for some to grasp because mind/body/spirit complexes are not meant to do work to unite with the One Infinite Creator in the third density; this work is in the sixth density towards seventh density.

    Maybe we ask ourselves: Do we really understand the Law of One, or do we simply accept it by faith (faith gained under different circumstances for different people)?

    Quoting from Ra: It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand [the Law of One] in order for it to be harvestable [from third to fourth density]. Understanding is not of this density.

    In the third density, the seeking awakens mind/body/spirit complexes towards the Law of One, and by faith and will mind/body/spirit complexes try to do work meant for this density, which is the density of Choice i.e. whether one works to be of service to the Creator in any particular spiritual orientation being radiation/absorption etc.

    Quoting from Ra: There is but one service - the offering of self to Creator is the greatest service. The best way for each seeker in third density to be of service to others is unique to that mind/body/spirit complex. Thus, some become healers, some workers, some teachers, and so forth. There is no best. There is no generalization. Nothing is known.

    Work is not meant be easy, so maybe that’s why polarity is not meant to be easily understood in the third density due to various distortions designed for this density.

    I find Carla’s life story, one that revolves green-ray universal love despite pre-incarnative disability that she was born with, very positively inspiring and it could serve as a beacon to some in the sea of confusion.

    Perhaps a consolation to some, Ra said: The majority of third-density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.

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