07-23-2010, 10:23 PM
Are you saying that Martin Luther King was a Negative STS?
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07-23-2010, 10:23 PM
Are you saying that Martin Luther King was a Negative STS?
07-23-2010, 10:33 PM
No, not at all. See here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?cat...uther+King
07-24-2010, 12:01 AM
(07-23-2010, 10:33 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: No, not at all. See here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?cat...uther+King Then who is MLK? I am confused. --fairyfarmgirl
07-24-2010, 07:59 AM
(07-24-2010, 12:01 AM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote: Then who is MLK? I am confused. --fairyfarmgirl MLK is Martin Luther King, but he wasn't negative STS. Ra says he had negative orange- and yellow-ray patterns but he was able to keep green-ray open and was faithful to service to others in the face of great catalyst.
07-24-2010, 10:10 AM
Ra said he had to deal with negative orange and yellow pattern. then it doesnt necessarily need to be his patterns. there were a lot of those in the movement demanding a more violent method. at least in the early days of the movement. ra might have meant, and i suspect that they meant, that he had to deal with the patterns flying around him. and he polarized strongly as a result.
07-24-2010, 12:19 PM
My guess is it was both his patterns and those he dealt with. You're correct that there were those in the movement who demanded violent methods; plus, of course, the movement ran into violent resistance. But Ra doesn't say that he polarized strongly, just that "if anything, this entity may be seen to have polarized more towards the positive."
07-24-2010, 09:23 PM
of course, by the way of identification with others in his struggle, their thoughts their feelings their ideas, their psyche, he would have been coerced to engage in negative aggression. even if he wasnt open to these at all, projections of other entities desiring him to engage in violent struggle would still make an impact.
07-25-2010, 01:07 AM
(07-24-2010, 07:59 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: MLK is Martin Luther King, but he wasn't negative STS. Ra says he had negative orange- and yellow-ray patterns but he was able to keep green-ray open and was faithful to service to others in the face of great catalyst. Indeed he did. I recall reading that MLK frequently called off planned protests when he even got a little rumor of someone was thinking about using violence. That he was so dedicated to peace has set him apart in this history books from other prominent figures of that movement who were pro-violence.
07-25-2010, 09:32 AM
(07-20-2010, 06:49 AM)Eddie Wrote: I'm reading Joseph Farrell's The Cosmic War right now, and among other things, he shows evidence that Yahweh was Enki (see Sitchin, et al). It all has to do with a misunderstanding/mistranslation of Hebrew by biblical scholars. This is really interesting Eddie. That thought crossed my mind when I read LOO discussion on Yahweh. I had been taught by a fringe spiritual teacher that the Annunaki were responsible for the "System" that has caused all the oppression, suppression, and repression of our divine power. It was a very foreign concept to me because I am coming from a very strong Christian background. It was a struggle to understand, first of all who are the Annunaki and why haven't I heard of them before? When I read the LOO it made more sense to me that Yahweh could be one of the Annunaki, instilling a belief of elitism "God's chosen people", that has endured through today in Judeo-Christian culture. This idea (though I felt good in an ego-sense as a Christian being "chosen" by God)...never made sense to me, in light of what Jesus taught. Just reading the old testament bothered me...with Yahweh instructing the Israelites to kill, conquer, and plunder their neighbors. It just was not the same God that Jesus taught us about. Does anyone know...when Ra mentions "Anak"...are they the same as Annunaki? This confused me a bit also. (07-25-2010, 09:32 AM)Shemaya Wrote: I had been taught by a fringe spiritual teacher that the Annunaki were responsible for the "System" that has caused all the oppression, suppression, and repression of our divine power. It was a very foreign concept to me because I am coming from a very strong Christian background. It was a struggle to understand, first of all who are the Annunaki and why haven't I heard of them before? That's exactly how I felt, and ended up rejecting Christianity because of the elitism and old testament '"God"-ordained' genocides (among myriad other reasons). The entire idea of a 'chosen' people is distasteful and goes against everything Jesus taught. I cannot fathom how Christians so willingly accept this concept. The very idea of a 'chosen' people has been the justification for widespread bloodshed throughout history, and continues to be the basis for proselytizing, manipulation, coercion, pressure, and ego, as well as even political action, wars, alliances with nations, and global decisions that affect the whole planet. The impact has been vast.
07-26-2010, 06:28 AM
(07-25-2010, 12:48 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: That's exactly how I felt, and ended up rejecting Christianity because of the elitism and old testament '"God"-ordained' genocides (among myriad other reasons). The entire idea of a 'chosen' people is distasteful and goes against everything Jesus taught. I cannot fathom how Christians so willingly accept this concept. Yes Monica I see your point...and the way the PTB have manipulated God-fearing people to support their agendas certainly a catalyst for me! Once free of that mindset, it becomes boggling to see how others willingly accept the propaganda. Since I am completely enmeshed in Christianity, I have found it quite a challenge to love my other selves and also stand true to myself. I am drawn to the LOO in part because Carla has worked on this issue , and it gives me comfort and strength knowing that she has walked her path in faith and love.
08-17-2010, 11:33 AM
If Yahweh has negatively distorted Earth, then who is the true Creator, who keeps the Law of One?
And who/what is the Orion Group?
08-17-2010, 01:31 PM
(08-17-2010, 11:33 AM)Sparkle Wrote: If Yahweh has negatively distorted Earth, then who is the true Creator, who keeps the Law of One? You are Yahweh in essence, he is a planetary creator - not the One Creator that is Infinity. This is who keeps the Law of One, the One Creator. The Orion group is a group of entities who choose to enslave other entities into serving them.
08-17-2010, 01:38 PM
Clearly this version of God does not agree with what the Christians Jews and Muslims think of him. I think we should remember that different people use the same words to describe different concepts, just because they use the same word doesn't mean they are talking about the same thing.
08-17-2010, 02:24 PM
Hi Sparkle, welcome to the forum. What a cool user name.
As my fellow forum members point out, it's important to mention the context for your use of the terms. This can help us understand your question, and avoid confusion. In this case, you refer to God, the true Creator, Yahweh, the Orion group, and the Law of One. Unfortunately these words can represent different meanings depending who is using them. Are you familiar with the Ra books from L/L Research? They're available for free download in the Library link, at the top of each page on this site. And they're what this site is based on discussing. There are some sources other than LLR that have channeled other Law of One material and other Ra material. There's currently a discussion underway (between the site owner & moderators) about whether or not the outside material should have a home here, or whether this site should focus on LLR. If you are referring the Ra books from LLR, it would really help if you could paste in a quote so we can follow along with whatever session you're talking about. Lawofone.info is an online copy of the Ra books with a very good search engine, in case you need help finding a particular citation. You jumped right in with some really juicy questions! I hope we can help you explore answers that help your spiritual evolution. As always, if anything we say here resonates with you as helpful truth, please feel free to use it; and if it's not for you now, just gently set it aside knowing it was offered in love. (08-17-2010, 01:31 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote:(08-17-2010, 11:33 AM)Sparkle Wrote: If Yahweh has negatively distorted Earth, then who is the true Creator, who keeps the Law of One? Thank you. Would what we know as the Demiurge be a suitable notion of Earth's creator god? Scripture calls Satan Earth's god, but I don't think that they are the same entities. (08-17-2010, 02:24 PM)Questioner Wrote: You jumped right in with some really juicy questions! I've visited these pages, less the forums, several years back. Then I became a Christian, and began examining the Problem of Evil. I had what I suppose were dreams, which I believe are called Polarizations? (I saw a thread on it a few topics down), and I knew it was time to re-visit some old learnings. As for being confusing, I am confused, so I am not surprised I will confuse, not use the right terms, concepts, etc. That's why I made an account today, maybe this forum can be helpful. Thanks for the post.
08-17-2010, 03:14 PM
Technically and philosophically, i wouldnt take anything that any kind of middle eastern originating religion says, for truth.
'creator of this earth', would be the local manifesting logos of the infinite intelligence, ie, very probably the focus of infinite intelligence that manifests as the sun. all the other co creators originating from it, and functioning with the energy it channels, would naturally be cocreators tied to it. that is if they are not acting directly with infinite intelligence. then again thats a topic to discuss.
08-17-2010, 03:16 PM
(08-17-2010, 01:31 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: You are Yahweh in essence I wanted to review all of the replies, and I don't think I really picked up on this. I think this is awesome, and helpful. This is very Yogic. I practice Kundalini, what I have learnt on the L/L sites corresponds entirely with kundalini yoga, so I have been able to trust this and someone understand it. Like I said, I became a Christian, and I am thinking, I made a mistake, how can I go to Church, how can I call upon an evil god? Then I thought, well, I am not so great myself, so why would I put myself and/or peers over what we understand as God? Thanks again for your reply.
08-17-2010, 03:53 PM
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(08-17-2010, 02:33 PM)Sparkle Wrote: I've visited these pages, less the forums, several years back. Then I became a Christian, and began examining the Problem of Evil. I had what I suppose were dreams, which I believe are called Polarizations? (I saw a thread on it a few topics down), and I knew it was time to re-visit some old learnings.You're welcome. Then I guess I should say, welcome back to the forums here. There's at least one current discussion here about the problem of evil: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1489 As far as I know, neither Demiurge nor Satan are mentioned in the LLR material. So again, this is additional material being brought in. I personally don't mind. But just as a heads up, the current moderation rules might lead one of the moderators to ask you to specifically tie this all in to the LLR material at some point. As for Christianity, you might find Carla's experience helpful. (You can read a lot more about her in the Library section.) Her background is in mystical Christianity. It seems to me that takes Jesus as an example of living in a consciousness of unconditional love and service - what the Ra and Q'uo material here refer to as positive fourth density. In mystical Christianity, this level of consciousness is seen as a state of grace that we can all aspire to. Our own loving nature with kindness, seeking to be of service to others, is considered more important than any particular dogma. Some people here believe in the literal historical person of Jesus, some also believe in his vicarious atonement according to mainstream Christian creeds. Some don't believe either (that Jesus was historical or that mainstream Christian creeds are true), and wouldn't consider themselves any type of Christian at all. Carla's background was discussed in more detail in this vintage thread - it's my first here. http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=538 By the way, it's pretty neat that you started at a time several people happened to be online at once. Usually we drop off forum posts for each other and get a response in a day or two. I look forward to our sharing ideas and learning from each other.
08-17-2010, 03:59 PM
(08-17-2010, 03:16 PM)Sparkle Wrote: Like I said, I became a Christian, and I am thinking, I made a mistake, how can I go to Church, how can I call upon an evil god? Then I thought, well, I am not so great myself, so why would I put myself and/or peers over what we understand as God? Welcome to the forum. Yahweh, like yourself, and the monitor you are looking at, are a connected spark in All That Is. The infinite Creator. Some call this God, which, when used in context of Christianity can cause confusion, because as you know Christianity considers God to be a separate entity with power over all below. Yahweh was a portion of All That Is, and hence, had/has 'his' own flavour. By that I mean preferences and ideas. Yahweh, like yourself, had the free will to choose how to think, consider the self, and other selves, and then act. We each have the power to choose; fear (service to self) or love (service to others). It does not matter what anybody else chooses, or tells you to choose. By the nature of existence, we each have this power, and when understood, it can never be taken away. The Law of One is not kept by anyone, and in fact, is Ra's interpretation of describing All That Is in a language and manner that third density incarnates (us) can understand. It by no means is the final word, the 'scripture of God'. In its essence, it's simply a perspective that we're all connected, that spark within us is the same. WE are All That Is / God / Source / Consciousness etc. The orion group is a negatively polarised group of entities (hence service to self) of a higher density than our own. They thrive on fear, and hence if you have chosen love, they are powerless. Ra has specifically stated (in Book 3 I think) that the Orion group tend to avoid those who are educated/awakened, and prefer to target those caught in fear.
Hi Sparkle! Welcome to Bring4th!
Many of us have been making our way thru the maze of organized religions and various spiritual paths, as we traverse our way to Oneness with the One Infinite Creator. I remember very clearly the day when I questioned, for the very first time, whether the Yahweh of the Bible was really, in fact, God. I personally concluded that the authors of the Bible believed this entity to be God. I realized this before I ever read it in the Law of One. Then, when I read the Law of One, I was startled and comforted to find my conclusions confirmed. I don't consider my years spent in organized religion to necessarily be mistakes, but just bumps along the road of life. It's all just catalyst. Peace to you on your journey! (08-17-2010, 03:53 PM)Questioner Wrote: As far as I know, neither Demiurge nor Satan are mentioned in the LLR material. So again, this is additional material being brought in. I personally don't mind. But just as a heads up, the current moderation rules might lead one of the moderators to ask you to specifically tie this all in to the LLR material at some point. It's the only vocabulary I know right now. When I say it, I try to make it sound like Ra would, "What you (we) would call..." Thanks for the link, I will definitely look at it. Even with the One Creator God who keeps the Law, all this bad stuff still happens. Ra says that Jesus was a real entity whose mission was warped because of a negative distortion of Yahweh. (08-17-2010, 03:59 PM)Namaste Wrote: The orion group is a negatively polarised group of entities (hence service to self) of a higher density than our own. They thrive on fear, and hence if you have chosen love, they are powerless. Ra has specifically stated (in Book 3 I think) that the Orion group tend to avoid those who are educated/awakened, and prefer to target those caught in fear. Thank you. But what about the Communion of Saints? What about need to "re-charge"? But what they say then is Christ-like, "I come for the sinners." Questioner, I had to close my browser fast and suddenly, so I put my post, what I had of it, through asap, but I really liked what you said about what a Christian mystic is. (08-17-2010, 04:36 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I remember very clearly the day when I questioned, for the very first time, whether the Yahweh of the Bible was really, in fact, God. I personally concluded that the authors of the Bible believed this entity to be God. I realized this before I ever read it in the Law of One. Then, when I read the Law of One, I was startled and comforted to find my conclusions confirmed. Thanks. That's a great story. (07-23-2010, 12:34 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(07-20-2010, 06:20 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I've often wondered whether the original Yahweh was a social memory complex or not. Can you tell me how you know this?I just did a search on Yahweh and there is no mention of this entity being a Social Memory Complex. So I was mistaken. So, will entities harvested from the Earth form the social memory complex named Yahweh? And other thing, how does one social memory complex choose (or are given one; if so by who?) a name? In other words, why Hatonn, Latwii, Ra, Lucifer; with, to my understanding, last three being from Venus? Don't they share the same Creator? I don't quite get this.:-/ Any thoughts or links would be much appreciated...
08-18-2010, 05:35 AM
What is the difference between Yahweh or Jah and Iod He Vau He/Tetragrammaton/the secret Creator? There are accounts that Yahweh is the human corruption or slang used by tribal adaptations. It could be viewed as the difference between the lord of Earth's matter and the One Creator. For all intents and purposes the lord of matter and karma is much more obvious within the 5 senses. It is the balance of the 3rd dimensional bi-polar catalyst, the dual sexual characteristic. Mastering matter is a principle lesson of the 3rd dimension of this Creation. Love.
It has also been proposed that the Ark of the Covenant was an incredible crystal matrix of singularities (64 tetrahedron or flower of life pattern). Something that moved of its own accord I.E. by the hand of God the Tetragrammaton. This Ark formed direct psychic links to the ancient men to teach them laws of the universe in a form that they could understand in what was possibly an extremely brutal world. The Bible explains that men had always heard the word of God but most do not anymore, it could be explained that Human predecessors in combination with not-so-human hybrids and other creatures described as Nephilim we not-so-nice and engaged in behaviors that could be considered extremely negative and destructive. Hence it was necessary to apply rigorous, jealous, bold, and miraculous intervention to end idolatry and other self-serving indulgences. Thus an invincible, incredible, and impossible relic was built to apply the will of God rather forcefully. To rebalance, to show what the man-created idol was really worth. This is quite possibly a work guided by the efforts of Logoi such as Ra, in accordance with the dimensional understandings of the humans that heard the Voice. Notably similar theories examine the possibilities the pyramids may have been able to host the Ark or even create (condensate) or form powerful crystals from extradimensional sources - pulling 4th dimensional properties and applying them in 3rd dimension. (08-18-2010, 05:35 AM)Protonexus Wrote: the secret Creator (10-31-2009, 04:36 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Re-reading it now, I guess it's not really clear if the Orion entity was pretending to be Yahweh or just distorting Yahweh's message. Yahweh is part of the Orion Group. And God does have a dark-side. No question marks needed.
08-18-2010, 02:02 PM
08-18-2010, 03:49 PM
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(08-18-2010, 10:48 AM)Sparkle Wrote: Does this suggest that we regressed? How can primitive man know better than we know now, after tens of thousands of years of evolution? Yes, we have multiplied voraciously and diluted the strength of our genetics in the process. Primitive man had access to spiritual powers that we call fairy tales. We lived along side of extraordinary geneticists which bred humanity like we breed dogs. The 'fallen angels' or Children of God or Nephilim are an example of this, in the form of Chimaera. That is they were beast-like in 3D appearance, their bodies were a conglomeration of genetic strains of the solar system. Back to the jealousy factor, because we are were shaped using a different blueprint "God made man in God's image." The Nephilim didn't like so much that they were supposed to be our servants. "Primitive man" had no science telling them that there were separations between anything. Therefore anything was possible, it didn't have to be proven by anything other than the witness. Humanity in general are hard learners, we have an extreme ability to suppress the word of God in our lives and ignore it. The old testament is full of instances of the people of Israel falling away from the teachings of God. Thus they are smote by the wrath of God. Still to this day the Israelites as a whole refuse to implement the Torah into their lives as a whole. They refuse his son and other messengers. Humans are stubborn. Our will potential is astronomical. We continually choose to learn the hard way by being killed off or disease stricken rather than just following the Word. It is repeated often that the people of Israel are chosen not for their righteousness but due to the intense wickedness of others, they don't look so bad by comparison. Creation by separation and veiling, distortion, is not an easy thing for us to understand sometimes. Good and Evil are simple perceptions that we assign to Creation. All Creation is God. God created the temptation, the 'dark side' to test and balance Creation. It it were all rainbows and faeries we would likely be an extremely weak people, coddled - what good is a person that is only good when nothing bad happens? God sets things into motion on a scale of time that is incomprehensible to us. Which is why we have intermediary logoi such as Ra to reinterpret this information in an easier to perceive way. Time is not a line, it doesn't just travel in one direction. Evolution is a very immature concept, it also doesn't just travel in one direction. In every moment we are both evolving and devolving. Humanity, by our choices has the full power to devolve ourselves back to the level of what we refer to as "animal." Some are nearly there already. We are the trees of life, extending down from the heavens. Our roots in our head and limbs/branches extending downward to interact with the Earth. God planted us here, as we are the Great Garden of this Earth. The angels and logoi, the guardians tend to humanity as a man to his garden, preparing for harvest. To the guardians, imagine their concept of free will that we are enabled with. Do you suppose the spirit of the sun has the choice to take a day off? Do the STO servants of God get a break? Do they have self-indulgences? They are spiritually and physically more "evolved" than us yet it is their job to tend to us in God's favor. This is similar to graduating Harvard to go and teach kindergartners. By sending the Ark of the Covenant to interact with early humans, our path of development was altered drastically. God created Lucifer and made him/her a slave to Humanity. By continually making poor decisions we torture Lucifer and incur consequences upon ourselves. Is this evil? Or did we ask for it by being ignorant of our own selves? We ask to be stupid and dull so we can experience being wrong, not knowing is a luxury in the eyes of many servants of God. As with any luxury it comes at a premium cost. The questions could be asked of Ra: Do you get to have a day off? Do you enjoy any selfish pleasures? Long story short, the One Creator, the one true God is beyond our understanding. What we have come to call God in biblical and modern times is a distortion of the One Creator in direct ratio with our ability to comprehend. To know the One Creator in full is to cease all individuality. This isn't a very appealing option for most humans, thus we purposefully do wrong to perpetuate our self-centered manifestations. Forever filling the duties of Lord of Karma and Matter put over (or under) us, aka Lucifer, to fulfill the consequences of our choices. The beings we call gods and angels are still learning from God, just as we are. Thus the voice of God that has been delivered by them unto humanity is inevitably flawed and must be so.
08-18-2010, 04:01 PM
(08-18-2010, 03:49 PM)Protonexus Wrote: what good is a person that is only good when nothing bad happens? Thanks for the post I hope the way I quoted you doesn't make it difficult for you to reply. I haven't figured out the coding quite yet to make your posts appear throughout mine.
08-18-2010, 04:21 PM
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Being would be a better term than person. The personality, emotions, and intellect are the chaff of the Human crop while the soul and spirit are the fruits.
STO is service to others path of development for conscious being. STS being the other polarity of service to self. Lucifer is bound to humanity via the Law of Consequences, Karma. Lucifer is bound to the position of being the "evil" one by the actions of humanity but also as the springboard for "good". Lucifer is bound by the deeds of humanity, fulfilling the duties of punisher and tempter. It is easy to perceive Lucifer as being a bad egg of heaven, but this is part of the distortion given as a storyline so humans can understand in a way. Lucifer is assigned to humanity as our primary catalyst for development of fruitful qualities, Lucifer wants us to choose the path of God but is so bound to build us up with grandeur and tear us down with disaster if we so desire. Lucifer is the guardian of 4th density, if a human being can not look Lucifer in the face and pass right by then the soul has not learned its lessons and will be cast down. Avoiding and/or fearing Lucifer and evil heightens the distortions of reality. Lucifer is comprised of the spirit light, every one of us is Lucifer, what we do to ourselves and each other is done to Lucifer. Lucifer simply reciprocates what you have asked for. Thus through Lucifer, we cast ourselves out of heaven and out of the Garden of Eden. When humanity becomes free of our backlog of consequence, Lucifer is free, thus Lucifer is eager to make humanity suffer consequences. Presently, many of our world leaders in secret are likely part of a Lucifer-oriented sect or cult. Through the development of gnosis and esoteric occultism, many of our leaders have gone to Lucifer for power, for better or worse. Luciferic occultism rules this world currently. Money, power, and greed pale in comparison to the spiritual controls held over individuals involved in this scheme. Physical consequences of the body and mind, i.e. being put in jail for breaking laws or even executed are nothing compared to what Luciferic groups can do in spiritual means. There are many that claim to be Christian yet truly worship Lucifer, which is a graven mistake. There are others that serve the true God and have Lucifer as their servant.
08-18-2010, 04:27 PM
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