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    12-28-2014, 12:29 PM
    (12-28-2014, 12:05 PM)Bluebell Wrote: how do u cancel if there's karma?

    usually some sort of awareness is involved. But between the presenting karma ('the circumstances'), and the understanding of the karmic action (the originating thoughtforms, powerful emotions - fear/anger) can be quite a large gap.

    the soul contracts are not usually tied to specifics - but rather are a learning opporunity. If one opportunity is not grasped, then another person (the backup person) will magically turn up in your life to present the same circumstances.
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    #32
    12-28-2014, 01:07 PM
    so if u cancel u get someone else?

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    12-28-2014, 01:39 PM (This post was last modified: 12-28-2014, 01:44 PM by rawDimension.)
    Yes. But ultimately it will take them forgiving and understanding before the contract it's complete. One can do their work but the other self is still inclined.

    Plenum is correct. You will ultimately get another chance if your awareness is properly tuned.

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    #34
    12-28-2014, 02:05 PM
    (12-28-2014, 12:10 PM)Bluebell Wrote: can u forgive urself even if the other party hasn't? can one walk away from karma by forgiving self?

    If you truly forgive yourself and the other party, then there is nothing they can do to get a rise out of you anymore. The emotional triggers can be alleviated. It's a little more difficult to escape any preincarnative agreements you may have with other parties - if you agreed to rub each other the wrong way to help each other grow, that may be something that you have to deal with. But as long as you don't act in a consciously unloving manner towards another, you aren't incurring any new karma.

    Quote:12.29 ↥ Questioner: What could one of these entities do to become karmically involved? Could you give us an example?

    Ra: I am Ra. An entity which acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved.

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    #35
    12-28-2014, 02:09 PM
    (12-28-2014, 01:07 PM)Bluebell Wrote: so if u cancel u get someone else?

    well, maybe cancel would be the wrong word. Maybe not see or appreciate the opportunity that that person was presenting.

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    12-28-2014, 02:39 PM
    One can consciously cancel but it comes from pure understanding of events happening before said individual. The cancelation would then grant another opportunity for karmic interaction to take place between self or more precisely the one creating the karma. Every individual contains the whole, through achieving unity consciousness, that individual would contain the other self as well so the progression is still obtained and not impeded regardless for the one that forgives or remains in love.
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    #37
    12-29-2014, 03:30 AM
    (12-23-2014, 05:44 PM)rawDimension Wrote: 7th density work here in 3rd density
    No. The sixth density is focused on balancing of fourth and fifth density vibrations, thus may employ third density experience which is more efficient due to the greater level of catalyst. The seventh density self totality or societal memory totality complex are balanced and do not require further work, and are resources available only to the sixth density self or sixth density societal memory complex.

    (12-23-2014, 05:44 PM)rawDimension Wrote: Are there beings of Ra here on earth today?
    Indeed.

    (12-23-2014, 05:44 PM)rawDimension Wrote: How do twin flames affect an aspect of unity when one feels they are a messenger of Ra?
    The concept of separateness is an illusion, thus the concept of twin is an illusion. All is One.

    However, noting that the wanderer may be lost within the illusion, only a small percentage significantly penetrating the veil , feelings of longing may occur, due to the separation from societal memory complex.

    (12-23-2014, 05:44 PM)rawDimension Wrote: How do the logi place these focal points of "Ra's" aspect in local space/time time/space?
    Logi does not place Ra (a societal memory complex which is more than 40 million spirits) within specific space/time time/space nexus. As do all spirits, the societal memory complex has the goal of evolving, and each spirit which chooses to volunteer for an incarnate experience on Earth makes its own decisions, according to the first distortion, which will benefit the societal memory complex and evolution towards the answer to the original thought.
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    12-29-2014, 04:20 AM (This post was last modified: 12-29-2014, 04:24 AM by rawDimension.)
    Understood. Thank you for your guidance. Can 6th density not be considered reaching full aspect of archetype though? With reference to the 6th density being the fully acquired higher self 7th density would be considered the practice of unconditional love so that upon reentering octave one would be whole and capable of balanced creation with regards to hosting life or the opportunity for others or parts of the own self to start to reincarnate/incarnate. With in regards to graduation of density, is it not possible for one to project back into 3rd density from a higher density to exponentiate catalyst?

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    12-30-2014, 12:42 AM
    (12-29-2014, 04:20 AM)rawDimension Wrote: Can 6th density not be considered reaching full aspect of archetype though?
    Archetype?

    (12-29-2014, 04:20 AM)rawDimension Wrote: With reference to the 6th density being the fully acquired higher, self 7th density would be considered the practice of unconditional love so that upon reentering octave one would be whole and capable of balanced creation with regards to hosting life or the opportunity for others or parts of the own self to start to reincarnate/incarnate.
    This statement (question?) puzzles me, so forgive me if I answer incorrectly or incompletely. The higher self, would be, from the human perspective, the future self that has some billions of years of conscious experience, offering itself as a resource for third, fourth, and fifth density self. The higher self oversees the entire third density incarnate experience, making alterations/changes in order to facilitate increased or decreased catalyst as necessary, working towards the goals set forth in the life contract.

    The third density is the density of choice, polarizing either positively or negatively.
    The fourth density is the density of love, or understanding the unity of all things.
    The fifth density is the density of light, gaining wisdom into the vast and intricate mechanics of Creation.
    The sixth density is the density of the Law of One, blending and balancing the vibrations of fifth and sixth density.
    The seventh density is the density of foreverness, reaching towards the end of the octave.

    (12-29-2014, 04:20 AM)rawDimension Wrote: With in regards to graduation of density, is it not possible for one to project back into 3rd density from a higher density to exponentiate catalyst?
    Yes, any fourth, fifth, or sixth density entity may choose to return to third density, however, the majority of wanderers are of sixth density.
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    12-30-2014, 02:35 AM (This post was last modified: 12-30-2014, 02:42 AM by rawDimension.)
    One must view mechanisms I feel of the way to travel throughout density. Archetype meaning whatever atonement or archetype or ego you have chosen in your paradigm to suit yourself whilst experiences are gained for further catalyst and polarization. Can you compare the aspects of unconditional love to foreverness? That would be simplified. So that upon reaching back into creator we can understand and continue to assist with creation in the most pure form.

    7th density is practicing unconditional love/foreverness...

    Forgive me but the law of confusion is necessary I feel

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    #41
    12-31-2014, 12:25 AM
    Your concept of unconditional love being part of seventh density is misguided.

    Love is a level of consciousness, conscious understanding that all is One, and is not something one does, or practices.

    One cannot practice knowing how to ride a bicycle. They know, or they do not.

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    12-31-2014, 12:29 AM (This post was last modified: 12-31-2014, 12:31 AM by rawDimension.)
    12-23-2014, 06:29 PM (This post was last modified: 12-23-2014 06:38 PM by rawDimension.) Post: #7
    rawDimension:
    RE: 7th density work here in 3rd density
    What is practical is what you create. What you create is what is practical. The infinite creation that ultimately becomes you is just a division of the whole. To truly become whole we know not yet because what is whole is what is you or I in this very interaction contributing/continuing maintenance on the self through the other self. Love is. That is what we know to be true.

    This has already been stated

    Can you elucidate your understanding of 7th density please?

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    12-31-2014, 12:37 AM
    The seventh density is that of foreverness, whereby the complex has become a totality complex, complete, as it were. It does not have interaction with any density other than the sixth, offering itself only as a resource to the sixth density (higher self). Does this answer your query?

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    12-31-2014, 12:47 AM (This post was last modified: 12-31-2014, 12:52 AM by rawDimension.)
    No. What about the infinite nature of our paradigm(s)? How does that affect your perspective and aspect of the outer teachings compared to mine? What experiences can you associate that represent these understandings obtained/achieved? Again I send you love/light and try not to influence here as your paradigm and infinite division is your own however there seems to be obvious differences here. Why would one that is fully aware with self and the universe be disallowed to practice the law of unconditional love/forgiveness here in 3rd density of they were fully aware of unity and consciousness?

    Can you correct the statement please if it is misguided?

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    12-31-2014, 11:18 AM
    Mahavira, Buddha, Jeshua... all attained higher level of consciousness, yet were unable to explain it, because it is impossible to explain, because it is not of the mind. Once in the state of consciousness of Love, questions, answers, and paradox all fall away, because the mind has been transcended. The mind is the problem which limits the human, nothing else. If you wish to understand, to know unconditional love, meditate. Seeking answers in books or knowledge is only of benefit only if it leads to understanding that silencing the mind is the most important thing one can do whilst on Earth, but it cannot meditate, and to be more exact, it will try to stop one from meditating, for in meditation, the mind is not needed.

    None are disallowed anything. Each chooses to accept this reduced level of consciousness pre-incarnatively. You chose it, as did I.

    Meditation is the key, the only key.
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    12-31-2014, 12:48 PM (This post was last modified: 12-31-2014, 12:50 PM by rawDimension.)
    It is the movement from the mind into the heart space. Letting all else fall away. But would you agree that the mind is a servant to be able to find different mechanisms and catalyst for further polarity?

    Can I request your age? And maybe some personal contact with you? I would like to speak on a more personal level if that is acceptable to you.


    I understand what you are describing. Truly I do.

    As I said the practice of unconditional love. If you can give it a name would be as such. Love is a state of affinity and being.

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    12-31-2014, 02:48 PM (This post was last modified: 12-31-2014, 02:50 PM by rawDimension.)
    Why do I think so much? How did/have you managed?

    Do you have any specific rituals you can share with me that I can practice to obtain again this state of love and affinity in every moment? I know this sounds silly as I am aware of it but it seems I fall into a paradox constantly with mind and thought. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. With love and light I humbly ask for any guidance you can offer. Thank you

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    01-02-2015, 01:21 AM
    As Gautama Buddha said, "There is no right or wrong, only the mind makes it so".

    Silence the mind, and all is perfect.

    My age? 13.9 billion years, according to science. Some 4+ billion years conscious. Some 49 years in this incarnate experience. Six years awakened. Take your pick, they are irrelevant.

    Why does one think so much? Because the mind likes to think. The mind likes to pretend it is important, like monkeys, it wanders and jumps from thought to thought.

    No ritual is required. One cannot practice the state of Love. One must first clear all blockages in the lower chakra triad, red, orange, and yellow, enabling the flow of energy to move to the heart.

    There are a number of tools available though. The main four I employ are contemplation, meditation, prayer, and fasting. I also, during contemplation, employ the balancing exercise, as per Ra's details. I have refined further that which Ra detailed, you may find my observations in another thread.
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    01-02-2015, 06:09 AM
    (01-02-2015, 01:21 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: As Jean-Luc Picard said, "There is no right or wrong, only the mind makes it so".

    fixed. BigSmile
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    01-02-2015, 02:31 PM
    In 7th density all work is done. You just chill with Creator. There is no more looking back.

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    01-06-2015, 02:55 PM
    Can a human reach 7th density?
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    01-06-2015, 08:38 PM (This post was last modified: 01-06-2015, 09:07 PM by AnthroHeart.)
    (01-06-2015, 02:55 PM)rawDimension Wrote: Can a human reach 7th density?

    From what I understand 7th density is like the event horizon of a black hole. It builds substantial spiritual mass. And there is no I anymore. Everyone is one. So one can't do it on their own. I don't believe 7th density wanders.

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    01-07-2015, 03:48 AM
    (01-06-2015, 02:55 PM)rawDimension Wrote: Can a human reach 7th density?

    Ra witheld that information but we know there are 7th density wanderers incarnate as humans.
    I would suggest their number be 12.

    Ra did say this:

    "However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread."

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    01-07-2015, 11:27 AM
    (01-07-2015, 03:48 AM)Ashim Wrote: Ra witheld that information but we know there are 7th density wanderers incarnate as humans.
    I would suggest their number be 12.

    Ra did say this:

    "However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread."

    Good to know that 7th density can wander too. I though they never looked back, but looked at all simultaneously.

    I don't have anything about me that would say I was a 7th density wanderer. That's like straight from the Logos.
    But I sometimes think I am. Because of how much I want to get back to Source. And blend in with all that is.
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    01-07-2015, 07:00 PM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2015, 07:07 PM by rawDimension.)
    (01-07-2015, 11:27 AM)Why do you suggest the number of twelve? I personally have the outlook but cannot express it. This paradox that traps me regularly is that of the other selfs every day quandaries. I perceive reality past this scope and recognize the doing of unconditional love(7th density) this is what Jesus taught. I believe through careful dialogue we are able to reveal certain shortcuts and pathways to the correct open mind. We are a "resource." What is creator? This question is very important. The question then moves to can you feel the shoes even? Let alone fill them.... We ask you to ponder the quandries of the selves and recognize the entire universe in each person or entity in which you come to interact with. And realize. You ARE just "chillin" with the creator . Gemini Wolf Wrote:
    (01-07-2015, 03:48 AM)Ashim Wrote: Ra witheld that information but we know there are 7th density wanderers incarnate as humans.
    I would suggest their number be 12.

    Ra did say this:

    "However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread."

    Good to know that 7th density can wander too. I though they never looked back, but looked at all simultaneously.

    I don't have anything about me that would say I was a 7th density wanderer. That's like straight from the Logos.
    But I sometimes think I am. Because of how much I want to get back to Source. And blend in with all that is.

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    01-07-2015, 07:35 PM
    Why the rush?
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    01-07-2015, 07:49 PM
    (01-07-2015, 07:35 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Why the rush?

    Whatever it takes to create a Universe.

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    01-07-2015, 07:51 PM
    You are already creating a universe simultaneously within yourself with this experience.

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    01-07-2015, 07:51 PM
    (01-07-2015, 07:49 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:
    (01-07-2015, 07:35 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Why the rush?

    Whatever it takes to create a Universe.

    *Looks around* Aaaaand done.

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    01-07-2015, 07:52 PM
    I don't remember the bang.

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