My theoretical statistics on negative fifth and sixth-density entities

[Unbound]

Firstly, you must understand that the distinction between yourself and others is not visible to us. We do not consider that a separation exists between the consciousness-raising efforts of the distortion which you project as a personality and the distortion which you project as an other personality. Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning; in which case you have done you/they little or no good. This understanding should be pondered by your mind/body/spirit complex as it is a distortion which plays a part in your experiences at this nexus.

Group-individuated consciousness is that state of sharing understanding with the other distortions of mind/body/spirit complexes, which are within the evident reach of the mind/body/spirit complex individual or group. Thus, we are speaking to you and accepting both our distortions and your own in order to enunciate the laws of creation, more especially the Law of One. We are not available to many of your peoples, for this is not an easily understood way of communication or type of philosophy. However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach.

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Aha! Is it really? I don't know the positive path to be that way, but if you say so...

What "hiccups" do you see occuring once the positive path is chosen conciously, macrocosmically?

Free will, temptation, complacency, excessive comfort, overbalance in wisdom or compassion, the constant challenge of acceptance, possible displacement or karmic development while wandering or reincarnating, the forgetting, and so on. The challenges those on the positive path face are equal to those on the negative path as each path requires dedication towards a principle and the nature of free will means that this choice must be consistently made to continue along one path or the other. The difficulties do not take the same form, but they are of equal challenge to each path. It is not easy to love and accept unconditionally all things and all experiences, such can give rise to much pain to be faced. The positive path has a heavy focus on healing and integration of self which is a willed, dedicated effort that takes as much work as it does for the negative to control and compress the self and others.

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If you are using the ultimate macrocosm of the mystery-clad being as a reference then there are no "hiccups" for either path, as both have exactly what is meant to be. To the macrocosm there is no ease or difficulty or challenge or success, there simply is being and the enactment of the Design which is every occurrence and so there are none which are out of place.

[isis]

If I may add my 2 cents. The op believes that the more positive his service the more that he will be "attacked" by negative entities. This is a cyclical process as most difficult lessons are in third density.

The confusing part is that it's true whether he is actually making a difference our not.

yeah that is confusing...& interesting...

& if my memory serves me correctly he's been getting "attacked" on this forum quite a bit as of late. 1 thing that comes to mind is how he mentioned something he wrote may have been "schizophrenic delusion" then some1 told him that was so insensitive to say...which is bs to me bc he was just stating something that's a possible fact.

[Adonai One]

Firstly, you must understand that the distinction between yourself and others is not visible to us. We do not consider that a separation exists between the consciousness-raising efforts of the distortion which you project as a personality and the distortion which you project as an other personality. Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning; in which case you have done you/they little or no good. This understanding should be pondered by your mind/body/spirit complex as it is a distortion which plays a part in your experiences at this nexus.

Group-individuated consciousness is that state of sharing understanding with the other distortions of mind/body/spirit complexes, which are within the evident reach of the mind/body/spirit complex individual or group. Thus, we are speaking to you and accepting both our distortions and your own in order to enunciate the laws of creation, more especially the Law of One. We are not available to many of your peoples, for this is not an easily understood way of communication or type of philosophy. However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach.

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Aha! Is it really? I don't know the positive path to be that way, but if you say so...

What "hiccups" do you see occuring once the positive path is chosen conciously, macrocosmically?

Free will, temptation, complacency, excessive comfort, overbalance in wisdom or compassion, the constant challenge of acceptance, possible displacement or karmic development while wandering or reincarnating, the forgetting, and so on. The challenges those on the positive path face are equal to those on the negative path as each path requires dedication towards a principle and the nature of free will means that this choice must be consistently made to continue along one path or the other. The difficulties do not take the same form, but they are of equal challenge to each path. It is not easy to love and accept unconditionally all things and all experiences, such can give rise to much pain to be faced. The positive path has a heavy focus on healing and integration of self which is a willed, dedicated effort that takes as much work as it does for the negative to control and compress the self and others.

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If you are using the ultimate macrocosm of the mystery-clad being as a reference then there are no "hiccups" for either path, as both have exactly what is meant to be. To the macrocosm there is no ease or difficulty or challenge or success, there simply is being and the enactment of the Design which is every occurrence and so there are none which are out of place.

Are these challenges truly equal if the negative path thrives on the rejection of the current self and its catalyst?

Is not a balanced will--on either path--a place of comfort?

[Ankh]

What does it mean to help and teach a person? What is true learning? What is indoctrination?

"We can suggest an attempt to become aware of the other-self as self and thus do that action which is needed by other-self, understanding from the other-self’s intelligence and awareness."

[Unbound]

I am not sure what you are suggesting for that to be an inequality. The challenge of continuous rejection is no easier or difficult than continuous acceptance. Each path thrives on its choices. The suffering that may come of the negative path is of a different nature than the suffering of the positive, and these lines are not always clear, but so is the joy of one path different from the other. The positive may perceive greater difficulty in the negative because of their own choice, and the same is true for the negative path. The positive or negative may also view their own path as more difficult, and this may be part of the challenge of said path.

Consider that to the positive, the negative is included in the self but still accepted as an other self. To the negative, the positive is just self, and is not accepted as an other self. It is as equally painful for the positive to have to stand back and love from a distance as it is for the negative to perceive themselves as lacking control over other self. The positive wants to share in the self, the negative wants the self to be absolute, both of these create difficulties and distortions within the complex of self.

Everything is relative. Looking around at this life it can be seen how one occurrence may be detrimental to one individual, yet the same occurrence may pass easily by another. To attempt to create a lump generalization of easier or more difficult for either path is to blind oneself to the uniqueness of every individual and the path they take.

If you ask me, there is one primary challenge that both of the paths face which I believe to be the most fundamental of challenges and which is equal to both. That is: Patience. Patience is required in the utmost for both acceptance and control. All other challenges on either path, imo, arise from the challenge of patience.

As for balanced will being a place of comfort, what is balanced will, exactly? Do you mean someone who has achieved conscious awareness of how their will is being used? Do you mean balanced between intentions on either path? Or balanced between mind, body and spirit? Or between head and heart? To me, the will is like a flame, it can be kept steady, which would maybe be called balanced I suppose, but is that a balance between fuel, flame and catalyst? Or do you mean when an individual's will is not being distracted and is one pointed in focus?

Either way, note that I said excessive comfort is a challenge. There is a comfort and relaxation which comes from inner peace that is not the same as the engagement in comfortable experiences which is to what I was referring. The positive entity is constantly challenged to muster the will to move forward in evolution, to change the self to grow. The negative entity is challenged by the universe whom it perceives as the only boundary to absolute will. Both seek to go beyond these challenges by perceiving the self as Creator. Positive finds meaning and motivation in the other self to move forward while the negative finds meaning and motivation solely in the self. To both, the greatest challenge is the horizons of the self, which are infinite.

[reeay]

What does it mean to help and teach a person? What is true learning? What is indoctrination?

"We can suggest an attempt to become aware of the other-self as self and thus do that action which is needed by other-self, understanding from the other-self’s intelligence and awareness."

Ankh you're like the Ra-quote angel lol thank you!

[isis]

Yet another non sequitur for A1's amusement no doubt.

a1, if u don't mind sharing i'd like know how this post from zm makes u feel.

[isis]

There are many, many posts on this forum from unstable and drug influenced minds. We can not expect these individuals to behave in a civilized manner. Unlike many other forums the moderators here do not require posters to actually back up or even provide any explanation for their statements or claims. So these irresponsible or unaccountable posts are a lot like some whimsical artwork or personal free association - purposefully provided not so much for the reader's learning but their entertainment, confusion, and distraction desires.

Remember this behavior is encouraged because it addresses a very real need.

i'd also love to know what the moderators have to say about this one.

[Parsons]

I am not sure what you are suggesting for that to be an inequality. The challenge of continuous rejection is no easier or difficult than continuous acceptance. Each path thrives on its choices. The suffering that may come of the negative path is of a different nature than the suffering of the positive, and these lines are not always clear, but so is the joy of one path different from the other. The positive may perceive greater difficulty in the negative because of their own choice, and the same is true for the negative path. The positive or negative may also view their own path as more difficult, and this may be part of the challenge of said path.

Consider that to the positive, the negative is included in the self but still accepted as an other self. To the negative, the positive is just self, and is not accepted as an other self. It is as equally painful for the positive to have to stand back and love from a distance as it is for the negative to perceive themselves as lacking control over other self. The positive wants to share in the self, the negative wants the self to be absolute, both of these create difficulties and distortions within the complex of self.

Everything is relative. Looking around at this life it can be seen how one occurrence may be detrimental to one individual, yet the same occurrence may pass easily by another. To attempt to create a lump generalization of easier or more difficult for either path is to blind oneself to the uniqueness of every individual and the path they take.

If you ask me, there is one primary challenge that both of the paths face which I believe to be the most fundamental of challenges and which is equal to both. That is: Patience. Patience is required in the utmost for both acceptance and control. All other challenges on either path, imo, arise from the challenge of patience.

As for balanced will being a place of comfort, what is balanced will, exactly? Do you mean someone who has achieved conscious awareness of how their will is being used? Do you mean balanced between intentions on either path? Or balanced between mind, body and spirit? Or between head and heart? To me, the will is like a flame, it can be kept steady, which would maybe be called balanced I suppose, but is that a balance between fuel, flame and catalyst? Or do you mean when an individual's will is not being distracted and is one pointed in focus?

Either way, note that I said excessive comfort is a challenge. There is a comfort and relaxation which comes from inner peace that is not the same as the engagement in comfortable experiences which is to what I was referring. The positive entity is constantly challenged to muster the will to move forward in evolution, to change the self to grow. The negative entity is challenged by the universe whom it perceives as the only boundary to absolute will. Both seek to go beyond these challenges by perceiving the self as Creator. Positive finds meaning and motivation in the other self to move forward while the negative finds meaning and motivation solely in the self. To both, the greatest challenge is the horizons of the self, which are infinite.

I'm considering printing this picture, framing it, and putting it up on the wall....

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I'm curious as to why so many are talking about Adonai as though he wasn't here?

[isis]

I'm curious as to why so many are talking about Adonai as though he wasn't here?

lol

[GentleReckoning]

I'm curious as to why so many are talking about Adonai as though he wasn't here?

Because he chooses not to respond to many of the responses to his posts.

[Parsons]

Perhaps he is overwhelmed by all the negative feedback in the thread? Or is taking the tact of "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"?

What do you think, Adonai?

[Bring4th_Austin]

There are many, many posts on this forum from unstable and drug influenced minds. We can not expect these individuals to behave in a civilized manner. Unlike many other forums the moderators here do not require posters to actually back up or even provide any explanation for their statements or claims. So these irresponsible or unaccountable posts are a lot like some whimsical artwork or personal free association - purposefully provided not so much for the reader's learning but their entertainment, confusion, and distraction desires.

Remember this behavior is encouraged because it addresses a very real need.

i'd also love to know what the moderators have to say about this one.

Just one person's opinion, just like anything else said on this forum. Generally, I think people's perception of the forums is largely unconsciously formulated based on what we "need" to see in order to grow. What stands out, what one latches on to, what one feels the desire to express and point out - there's a purpose to all of these.


To address another theme in this thread, regarding how people address Adonai One within these threads. Typically conversation should be kept to discussing the content of one's post and not personally discussing the poster. This already grey area becomes more blurred when a post is presented as factual information rather than opinion. When the source of information is the person themselves, it becomes difficult to discuss the information without discussing the person.

I appreciate the discussion in this thread regarding the usefulness of such information presented in the OP. I think it is most beneficial.


edit: clarification

[reeay]

Perhaps he is overwhelmed by all the negative feedback in the thread? Or is taking the tact of "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"?

Where was 'all the negative feedback' in this thread? It was not negative personal comments towards Adonai, altho there seemed to be confusion and whatnot in the beginning.

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I guess these things are misunderstandings too, which is why it's great we can talk to each other and process.

[Parsons]

[...] When the source of information is the person themselves, it becomes difficult to discuss the information without discussing the person. [...]

Touché

[Adonai One]

I invoke the Law of Responsibilty.

[Ankh]

What does it mean to help and teach a person? What is true learning? What is indoctrination?

"We can suggest an attempt to become aware of the other-self as self and thus do that action which is needed by other-self, understanding from the other-self’s intelligence and awareness."

Ankh you're like the Ra-quote angel lol thank you!

This task still brings me to the questioning whether it is service to others or to the self, cause I love nothing more than doing just that!

I guess that Ra was right when saying that service to others results in service to self after all.

[GentleReckoning]

What does it mean to help and teach a person? What is true learning? What is indoctrination?

"We can suggest an attempt to become aware of the other-self as self and thus do that action which is needed by other-self, understanding from the other-self’s intelligence and awareness."

Ankh you're like the Ra-quote angel lol thank you!

This task still brings me to the questioning whether it is service to others or to the self, cause I love nothing more than doing just that!

I guess that Ra was right when saying that service to others results in service to self after all.

Once you've learned how healing being completely honest and vulnerable can be for both parties involved, you will understand that you can serve yourself and others very powerfully by being clear with how another person's actions affect you in the moment.imagine is well that after you die a lot of the healing process that you go through is simply going through every interaction and being able to feel how your words and actions are actually affecting the other person so if you can actually be honest with them in the moment you can kind of accelerate that healing and bring that into the third dimension as opposed to make it so you have to wait until after your dead. Sorry for the run on, but I'm on my phone.

[reeay]

You teach us what you are learning and you learn what you eventually are teaching. Your service is grately appreciated