Love as a Weapon / Spiritual Warfare

[reeay]

So would sending love to negative entities, or love to any being be beneficial to self i.e., working on own catalyst?

[Siren]

So would sending love to negative entities, or love to any being be beneficial to self i.e., working on own catalyst?

Take the local sun for example. It radiates it's light/love unconditionally. It doesn't say, "I shall shine a bit more upon this group because they need more light," or "I shall keep my light from this or that individual because they don't need my light." Neither does the sun think, "oh, it's gotten cloudy down there on planet Earth, I must pierce and dissipate all those pesky clouds obstructing my way from the people." The sun just shines, cloudy or not, without preference, bias or favoritism.

Whether the activity of loving is or isn't beneficial to the entity doing the loving and/or the entity receiving the loving is ultimately subjective until all is seen as One.

What I can say for sure, however, is that you are Love, and you cannot be anything other than Love (even those that deny/ignore/reject their very nature—whether consciously or not—are still Love expressing themselves as various distortions of Love for a variety of different experiences of Love).

Love is what you are, therefore Love is what you do.

[drifting pages]

I feel that in the grand scheme of things all is as it should be. IF this stuff is really infinite, there is no end to anything and from my view no need to try to change anything but myself. I believe that in attuning myself to certain patterns they in turn become part of me. It is all a great mystery to me but i am enjoying it.

[Tenet Nosce]

So would sending love to negative entities, or love to any being be beneficial to self i.e., working on own catalyst?

It's difficult to say. I suppose that, to the degree that the sender experiences themselves as a source of Love, that would be positively polarizing, and therefore beneficial from that standpoint.

On the other hand- this might be balanced out by the degree to which they have reinforced the notion of separation between themselves and the intended recipient by judging the recipient to have a relative "lack" of love and themselves a relative "abundance."

For the recipient, it depends on how they respond. Does the receiving of love make them feel empowered? Or further victimized? For negative entities- do they feel attacked or oppressed by such an energy? My guess is... yes, they would.

It all comes down to mindset. If you, rie, told me you were feeling down and could use some support, I might direct some love energy your way. But this is merely a "band-aid" approach. If I do not make an effort to assist you in reconnecting with your own inner source of Love, then I have not helped you long-term.

Moreover, since I already know that you have an inner source of Love, for me to ignore that would be somewhat iniquitous. Why would I not remind you to seek love for yourself within? Am I trying to make you become dependent upon me for love and validation? Am I addicted to playing the role of the "hero"? Am I so lacking in self-love that I cannot see or acknowledge it in others?

These are the types of considerations that come into play.

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Yes, but since this forum is biased towards STO, we usually make the assumption that we're all on the same page. It is an underlying presupposition in all our discussions.

That is true... in theory. Another assumption is that people here have actually read the Ra Material in its entirety before diving head-first into a philosophical debate about the concepts.

Or how about this from Guideline 1?

each on this forum IS the Creator.

How many times have we had to re-hash this fundamental point of the Law of One in the context of another discussion?

Or, this one from Guideline 3?

examined through the lens of the Law of One

How many times have we seen irritation because of an attempt to apply the lens of the Law of One to a subject? Or an annoyance at those who offer quotes on a topic? Ummm... isn't this a Law of One forum? Isn't the entire purpose of the forum to discuss things in this context?

Anyway... I could go on but I'm sure you have the basic gist.

I think balance is overrated.

Yeah- Tell me about it!

Why should we be concerned about something that takes millions of years to achieve? And even then, there might be yet higher levels of 'balance' to aspire to. I think it's more of a distraction, really. And sometimes a justification.

These are valid points. But you might be forgetting that we all (ostensibly) have read the Ra Material. Having encountered certain information contained therein- we now have the honor/duty/responsibility to put it into practice, to the best of our ability.

This doesn't mean that we all have to agree on exactly what they said. Or even that we have to agree with what they said at all!

However- that doesn't abrogate our responsibility to aspire to ever higher expressions of faith, love, compassion, and wisdom. And eventually- in order to do this some balancing must be involved. If we want to achieve "grandmaster" level with respect to compassion, then faith and wisdom are needed to take us to that level of adepthood.

Assuming we have all read the material... this means the "cat is out of the bag" with respect to certain understandings that most people are probably completely oblivious to. Now these understandings have become our responsibility to teach/learn.

This includes seeking the "wisdom to refrain from battle." This doesn't mean we must place an expectation upon ourselves to attain 5D levels of wisdom while in 3D. What is DOES mean is that, wherein the "wisdom to refrain from battle" is offered... we should recognize it as something to be sought for and accepted, and perhaps even express gratitude and humility for the opportunity to get a head start on lessons that others may not encounter for many millions of years, rather than railing against it and getting pissy and defensive whenever it is mentioned.

[Horuseus]

So would sending love to negative entities, or love to any being be beneficial to self i.e., working on own catalyst?

Depends on your interpretation of 'Love' I would suppose.

When I say I 'Love' you. I mean I unconditionally accept you for who you are, and I will support you in any way possible in allowing you to move forward in any way you wish without bias or judgement. Even If I see you falling off a cliff, I will advise heeding the signs I see and turning around but I will never stop you. Reason being if that is the Catalyst it takes than so be it. I will only ever do injustice to the wisdom, path and choice of your own being by getting in your own way.

In this way, integrating such a mindset can actually pave way to working on the Self even if it is not readily apparent. In essence you are always working on the Self as a byproduct of working on others. Removing distortions such as the 'compassionate touchy-feely' aspect Love has taken on in 'New Age' circles paves way towards understanding Unity; we are all One afterall, and both 'Love/Fear' are valid dichotomies. The validity comes from unconditional acceptance.

... Ok, I got something else come through right now as I was typing this. It isn't about the definition as such but rather the intention/thought behind. Thoughts have Electromagnetic Realities and while words themselves have vibrational equivalents which may trigger certain psychological processes (Such as seeing 'Love' on the screen) it is the intention behind which is to the magnitude many more times 'powerful' in affecting the MC (thoughtforms); It may also hold a different meaning to the word itself. The concept of 'love' for example means different things to different people. Imo one should probe their own thought process and really look at what they are doing when they wish another 'Love'. Are you depolarizing, judging, thanking, or simply releasing service and acknowledging a job well done in providing Catalyst? Remember you are all 'Gods' in your own right and if you do not feel you require a service any longer than you only have to change your own thoughts, and not anyone elses. It's quite simple. Refer to the Seth quote on the previous page.

In short, the highest service you can ever offer is to simply be yourself and let everyone else play their designated role. That way those who require STS service can continue to do so and those who do not will not experience that reality.

[Tenet Nosce]

3 dead in Oregon mall shooting
At least 26 dead in shooting at Connecticut elementary school
Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children

These are the sort of things that I wonder about being the unforeseen consequences of dropping "green bombs" of love around the planet. The concern is that those engaging in spiritual warfare use events like this as an excuse to redouble their efforts, rather than noticing the potential connection between groups attacking negative entities with love, and "random" acts of violence.

Maybe there really is no connection. But with that kind of question-mark in my mind, I will stick to radiating love to nobody in particular.

[Karl]

Love makes STS rage/hate in my personal experience.

[xise]

It's the intention that matters.

I think if you send love toward sts entities with the belief that they should change, you aren't really engaging them with unconditional purely green ray energy.

I think if you send love toward sts entities in desires of forgiveness and releasing karma and accepting entites that previously you may have had problems accepting, then it's not a bad thing.

After all, as radiant sto beings you radiate love toward everyone. Meaning that if you specifically select a specific group, you need to have the right reasons because a directed radiation of love kind of goes against unconditional love. But if the directed radiation of love is for the purposes of addressing an imbalance in your own acceptance/forgivessness/previous anger of those entities, I think that's pretty key in going further along the sto path.

[Karl]

Rage and hate isn't a bad thing if you're STS. It's a favor. Once again this is from my experience. Don't know if it applies to other peoples "world".

[BrownEye]

Love makes STS rage/hate in my personal experience.

True STS has discipline. No use for "rage/hate". The rage comes from animal nature, which might be called "natural".

[Aaron]

Love makes STS rage/hate in my personal experience.

True STS has discipline. No use for "rage/hate". The rage comes from animal nature, which might be called "natural".

But whether or not it's expressed as rage/hate, or refined into some kind of disciplined focus by the STS entity, it is still that inner catalytic reaction to the receiving of love that is the "favor", as Karl says, to the STS polarizing entity. It's the catalyst which is able to be used for further refinement of the self which is of value to the STS entity.

In my mind, it's the same thing, but opposite, when a STO entity receives unsettling energy from a STS entity. The catalyst of receiving that energy is of benefit to the STO entity. Although it's surely difficult for either to see the interaction as a gift/opportunity. "To the pure, all that is encountered speaks of the love and light of the one infinite Creator."

When me and my mate speak to eachother about receiving greetings from STS entities, we always say that they are "sharing the love of the Creator as it is known to the self."

[Karl]

Precisely put.

[BrownEye]

Let's say i was successful STS. With discipline is intelligence/wisdom. Wisdom would imply that i can see the underlying cause of issue. Anger usually comes from seeing the surface and belief of that surface. I would have no reason for anger, as i would have understanding instead.

We tend to lump "lost/confused" spirits/souls into the STS label. If we look close, we would find that nature itself would be classified as "STS" based on our current view.

[BrownEye]

3 dead in Oregon mall shooting
At least 26 dead in shooting at Connecticut elementary school
Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children

These are the sort of things that I wonder about being the unforeseen consequences of dropping "green bombs" of love around the planet. The concern is that those engaging in spiritual warfare use events like this as an excuse to redouble their efforts, rather than noticing the potential connection between groups attacking negative entities with love, and "random" acts of violence.

Why do you think this is random? Weather is considered random, but also a result of human activity, and so not exactly random.

All of the children, and all of the parents, on some level, planned this out. The shooter, technically, left. The body was given to another for the destructive purpose, what you would call possession. The possessor was a part of that planned activity.

This was planned out, in the works for some time. It will affect many people. Many of the "50%" will burst with compassion, nudging them beyond the 51% mark. Others will only feel anger. Others disdain. This scenario was put together as a signpost for those ready to expand on the green ray. It speeds things up a bit. For some at least.

[Ankh]

The entity polarizing positively perceives the anger. This entity, if using this catalyst mentally, blesses and loves this anger in itself. It then intensifies this anger consciously in mind alone until the folly of this red-ray energy is perceived not as folly in itself but as energy subject to spiritual entropy due to the randomness of energy being used.

Positive orientation then provides the will and faith to continue this mentally intense experience of letting the anger be understood, accepted, and integrated with the mind/body/spirit complex. The other-self which is the object of anger is thus transformed into an object of acceptance, understanding, and accommodation, all being reintegrated using the great energy which anger began.

The negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complex will use this anger in a similarly conscious fashion, refusing to accept the undirected or random energy of anger and instead, through will and faith, funneling this energy into a practical means of venting the negative aspect of this emotion so as to obtain control over other-self, or otherwise control the situation causing anger.

Control is the key to negatively polarized use of catalyst. Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst. Between these polarities lies the potential for this random and undirected energy creating a bodily complex analog of what you call the cancerous growth of tissue.

[Tenet Nosce]

Why do you think this is random? Weather is considered random, but also a result of human activity, and so not exactly random.

I don't think it is random, which is why I put it in quotes. I also don't think that bloody massacres are "OK" because they might increase compassion. Given that they happen, it is up to us to find a way to accept the catalyst. But that doesn't mean it is in any case necessary.

[Monica]

Yes, but since this forum is biased towards STO, we usually make the assumption that we're all on the same page. It is an underlying presupposition in all our discussions.

That is true... in theory. Another assumption is that people here have actually read the Ra Material in its entirety before diving head-first into a philosophical debate about the concepts.

That seems like a fair assumption, right? But, it has been proven wrong.

Or how about this from Guideline 1?

each on this forum IS the Creator.

How many times have we had to re-hash this fundamental point of the Law of One in the context of another discussion?

Or, this one from Guideline 3?

examined through the lens of the Law of One

How many times have we seen irritation because of an attempt to apply the lens of the Law of One to a subject? Or an annoyance at those who offer quotes on a topic? Ummm... isn't this a Law of One forum? Isn't the entire purpose of the forum to discuss things in this context?

One would think, right? But no, our members are here for varying reasons. Some are here just to socialize...some are openly STS...some are here to 'teach' rather than exchange...some are here on specific missions, both STS and STO...some openly admit they haven't read the books but think the whole idea of aliens is cool so they hang out...some are here to discuss and compare other channeled sources, with the Ra Material being but one of many and nothing special...and some are here to relax after a long, hard day in 3D, and deep discussions get in the way of their relaxation, to the point of them fleeing in terror at the sight of a wall of text.

(These are all actual reasons given by various members at various times. I'm not making this up; nor am I passing judgment on people's reasons for being here.)

Anyway... I could go on but I'm sure you have the basic gist.

Ah, you know I do!

I think balance is overrated.

Yeah- Tell me about it!

Glad to hear we agree on that!

These are valid points. But you might be forgetting that we all (ostensibly) have read the Ra Material.

Depends on how you define 'we.'

Having encountered certain information contained therein- we now have the honor/duty/responsibility to put it into practice, to the best of our ability.

If we feel that honor/duty/responsibility, then yes. But we can't impose it on anyone else, or even assume that they agree it's even there at all.

This doesn't mean that we all have to agree on exactly what they said. Or even that we have to agree with what they said at all!

Well that's a relief! If that was a requirement we'd all be in trouble, being that there is so much disagreement and so many different interpretations.

However- that doesn't abrogate our responsibility to aspire to ever higher expressions of faith, love, compassion, and wisdom. And eventually- in order to do this some balancing must be involved. If we want to achieve "grandmaster" level with respect to compassion, then faith and wisdom are needed to take us to that level of adepthood.

Assuming we have all read the material... this means the "cat is out of the bag" with respect to certain understandings that most people are probably completely oblivious to. Now these understandings have become our responsibility to teach/learn.

Not everyone shares in that sense of responsibility.

This includes seeking the "wisdom to refrain from battle."

For some, yes. For others, no. And, what one may consider 'battle' might not be considered as such by another.

This doesn't mean we must place an expectation upon ourselves to attain 5D levels of wisdom while in 3D.

Thankfully true. We can't even define it, much less attain it.

What is DOES mean is that, wherein the "wisdom to refrain from battle" is offered...

Offered by whom? Another person who might have a totally different definition of battle?

we should recognize it as something to be sought for and accepted, and perhaps even express gratitude and humility for the opportunity to get a head start on lessons that others may not encounter for many millions of years,

This seems to be making an assumption that it's easily apparent when such 'lessons' are being offered, as though someone with 5D wisdom has their username tagged and recognizable.

With so many gurus and self-appointed teachers out there, I'd say it's far wiser to consider what is offered, but to not be quick to accept it as necessarily being any 'wiser' than what we know ourselves. The true folly is in thinking that an other-self has more wisdom than we do just because they say they do.

rather than railing against it and getting pissy and defensive whenever it is mentioned.

Getting pissy is never cool. But true wisdom shines; it doesn't announce its own presence.

[Tenet Nosce]

The true folly is in thinking that an other-self has more wisdom than we do just because they say they do.

That's true. Which is why we each have an internal guidance system to use as a yardstick.

The difference is thus:

Person A reads somebody else's opinion, weighs it against their own conscience, and finds that it rings true.

Person B reads somebody else's opinion, weighs it against their own conscience, and finds that it does not ring true.

Person C reads somebody else's opinion and becomes offended, having interpreted it as a personal attack.

[Monica]

That's true. Which is why we each have an internal guidance system to use as a yardstick.

The difference is thus:

Person A reads somebody else's opinion, weighs it against their own conscience, and finds that it rings true.

Person B reads somebody else's opinion, weighs it against their own conscience, and finds that it does not ring true.

Person C reads somebody else's opinion and becomes offended, having interpreted it as a personal attack.

Exactly!

[Tenet Nosce]

And, what one may consider 'battle' might not be considered as such by another.

That is true. Yet, Ra gives a very detailed description in the material of the "battle" to which they are referring in Session 25. So, anybody who has come across the quote about the "wisdom to refrain from battle" should (theoretically) know what kind of battle they are referring to.

I know that you already are familiar with it, having read the material yourself, but I am going to put the quote here for clerical purposes for those who might be reading this thread, but who have not read the material.

25.4 Questioner: Thank you. [We] shall now continue with the material from yesterday. You stated that about 3000 years ago the Orion group left due to Diaspora. Was the Confederation then able to make any progress after the Orion group left?

Ra: I am Ra. For many of your centuries, both the Confederation and the Orion Confederation busied themselves with each other upon planes above your own, shall we say, planes in time/space whereby machinations were conceived and the armor of light girded on. Battles have been and are continuing to be fought upon these levels.

Upon the Earth plane, energies had been set in motion which did not cause a great deal of call. There were isolated instances of callings, one such taking place beginning approximately two six zero zero [2600] of your years in the past in what you would call Greece at this time and resulting in writings and understandings of some facets of the Law of One. We especially note the one known as Thales and the one known as Heraclitus, those being of the philosopher career, as you may call it, teaching their students. We also point out the understandings of the one known as Pericles.

At this time there was a limited amount of visionary information which the Confederation was allowed to telepathically impress. However, for the most part, during this time empires died and rose according to the attitudes and energies set in motion long ago, not resulting in strong polarization but rather in that mixture of the positive and the warlike or negative which has been characteristic of this final minor cycle of your beingness.

25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.

In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation arms with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of when the— what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

25.7 Questioner: Very important point, I believe. Does a portion of the Confederation then engage in this thought-battle? What percentage engages?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the most difficult work of the Confederation. Only four planetary entities at any one time are asked to partake in this conflict.

25.8 Questioner: What density are these four planetary entities?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are of the density of love, numbering four.

25.9 Questioner: Then I am assuming this is the most effective density for this work. Would this density— an entity of this density— be more effective for this type of work than, say, an entity of density five or six?

Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle. Thus it is necessary that fourth-density social memory complexes be used.

25.10 Questioner: Am I correct in assuming, then, that fourth density on both sides of the, of both the Orion and the Confederation sides are in this battle, and that the densities fifth and sixth on the Orion side do not engage in this? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question as this entity’s energies are low.

It is partially correct. Fifth- and sixth-density entities positive would not take part in this battle. Fifth-density negative would not take part in this battle. Thus, the fourth density of both orientations join in this conflict.

May we ask for a few short questions before we close?

25.11 Questioner: Well, I will first ask the answer at the end if there’s anything we can do to make the instrument really comfortable. I’ll only ask the questions that the instrument has— or answer the questions that the instrument has energy left to give, but I really would like to know of the— the orientation of fifth-density negative for not participating in this battle.

Ra: I am Ra. The fifth density is the density of light or wisdom. The so-called negative service-to-self entity in this density is at an high level of awareness and wisdom and has ceased activity except by thought. The fifth-density negative is extraordinarily compacted and separated from all else.

[Karl]

You all are beating a dead horse. No one's opinions will be changed by these conversations and the vast majority of people don't care about the subject, or in the off-chance they do their opinions have all-ready been set.

[BrownEye]

"Battle" seems to be only within incarnation?

The children were "positive" entities that had contracted with a "negative" entity to bring about what happened.

Do we ever consider the occasional working together on the other side to force those on this side to face off?

[xise]

35.8 Questioner: Well in that case I would like to know the motivation for this use of Abraham Lincoln’s body at that time?
Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this session as we find the instrument quite low in vital energies.

The one known as Abraham had an extreme difficulty in many ways and, due to physical, mental, and spiritual pain, was weary of life but without the orientation to self-destruction. In your time, 1853, this entity was contacted in sleep by a fourth-density being. This being was concerned with the battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness which have been waged in fourth density for many of your years.

This entity accepted the honor/duty of completing the one known as Abraham’s karmic patterns and the one known as Abraham discovered that this entity would attempt those things which the one known as Abraham desired to do but felt it could not. Thus the exchange was made.

The entity, Abraham, was taken to a plane of suspension until the cessation of its physical vehicle much as though we of Ra would arrange with this instrument to remain in the vehicle, come out of the trance state, and function as this instrument, leaving this instrument’s mind and spirit complex in its suspended state.

The planetary energies at this time were at what seemed to this entity to be at a critical point, for that which you know as freedom had gained in acceptance as a possibility among many peoples. This entity saw the work done by those beginning the democratic concept of freedom, as you call it, in danger of being abridged or abrogated by the rising belief and use of the principle of the enslavement of entities. This is a negative concept of a fairly serious nature in your density. This entity, therefore, went forward into what it saw as the battle for the light, for healing of a rupture in the concept of freedom.

This entity did not gain or lose karma by these activities due to its detachment from any outcome. Its attitude throughout was one of service to others, more especially to the downtrodden or enslaved. The polarity of the individual was somewhat, but not severely, lessened by the cumulative feelings and thought-forms which were created due to large numbers of entities leaving the physical plane due to trauma of battle.

May we ask if this is the information you requested or if we may supply any further information?

While we're on the subject of battle being unwise. Call me crazy, but in my 3D veiled state I think the civil war was one of the better wars an "aggressor" could wage.

I find parallels between waging war and my job (soon to be ex-job!!) as a public defender. You can do some damn good work. Make a real difference in people's lives. But ultimately I had to turn from this path because the constant fighting in the courtroom was lowering my ability to raise my vibration. Does it mean I think public defenders are somehow worse for not trying to raise their vibration and by being stuck in a dog eat dog mentality (the vast majority)? No. I actually, in a strange way, appreciate that someone is willing to help out in their own way, even if it isn't the super wise. Because they affect the reality on the ground and while maybe not the most effective way to reach the Creator, it's beautiful in its own way.

I'm not saying the civil war was the most skillful/wisest way to handle the situation. But I support what happened. I think it's important not to judge "less" skillful "less" wise ways of interacting with creation; doing "battle" with negativity included. After all, we're all spiraling upward and if someone wants to take a slight polarity hit to help out the reality on the ground, I'm not going to have a huge problem with that.

[Tenet Nosce]

While we're on the subject of battle being unwise. Call me crazy, but in my 3D veiled state I think the civil war was one of the better wars an "aggressor" could wage.

That's a good example. To the extent that overt slavery was abolished that was a beneficial development. On the other hand, the civil war wasn't all about slaves. It also resulted in the consolidation of economic power in the hands of a few "elite" central bankers. This, in turn, has resulted in the virtual enslavement of a large swath of the population to a system of perpetual indebtedness.

[reeay]

So why all this warfare, battle, and weapon metaphors? Sounds likes a violent video game.

[xise]

While we're on the subject of battle being unwise. Call me crazy, but in my 3D veiled state I think the civil war was one of the better wars an "aggressor" could wage.

That's a good example. To the extent that overt slavery was abolished that was a beneficial development. On the other hand, the civil war wasn't all about slaves. It also resulted in the consolidation of economic power in the hands of a few "elite" central bankers. This, in turn, has resulted in the virtual enslavement of a large swath of the population to a system of perpetual indebtedness.

Right, but I hope you would agree that this financial control is still better than being in a society more than 1/5 of the population were slaves and were seen as property in the eyes of the law.

[Tenet Nosce]

Right, but I hope you would agree that this financial control is still better than being in a society more than 1/5 of the population were slaves and were seen as property in the eyes of the law.

Sure, it's better. But at the end of the day we had an opportunity some 150 years ago to put an end to both actual and virtual slavery. We settled on a compromise. And here we are, a century-and-a-half later still patting ourselves on the back for a "job well done." Meanwhile the Federal Reserve rolls out yet another round of "quantitative easing." Meanwhile, people are going to see "Lincoln" at the theaters, reinforcing their obliviousness to other dynamics which were going on during the Civil War. Meanwhile, laws oppressing the fundamental right of women to make their own decisions about what they choose to do with their bodies continue to get passed. And the list goes on...