Abrupt vs gradual harvest

[hogey11]

the "new breed" includes the wanderers tho... how did earth acquire 3-3.5 billion more souls in the last 30 years if a majority of them weren't wanderers? We know it goes by seniority of vibration near the harvest, so it wouldn't make sense that a lot of them are 'new souls'...

[zenmaster]

the "new breed" includes the wanderers tho...

No, it does not. The "breed" refers to those with the genetic connection to a 4D mind, not to the wanderer. The wanderer may only have the purely 3D connection. "Wanderers" are, comparatively speaking, drastically stunted in mental and psychic capacity. Generally speaking, the wanderer's ability is a vague notion of propriety due to prior distilled experience with "love" and "wisdom".

how did earth acquire 3-3.5 billion more souls in the last 30 years if a majority of them weren't wanderers?

The vast majority are actually earth natives and transplants. Remember, 2D harvests happen constantly.

We know it goes by seniority of vibration near the harvest, so it wouldn't make sense that a lot of them are 'new souls'...

But it doesn't really go by seniority of vibration near the harvest. The concept of seniority of vibration is a universal constant, regardless of harvest time. Further, a wanderer would not prevent a single 3D native from experiencing this lifetime by denying it a suitable body.

It makes a great deal of sense that there have been a lot of 'new souls' in the past 30 years, simply because of the massive population growth and the quite suitable lower vibrations available. The opposite would be true, however. That is, if there was less population growth, there would be proportionally more 'old souls'.

When the lower vibrations are no longer viable for providing 'new-soul' 3D catalyst, then there will be huge influx of 'old-soul', recent 4D graduates from elsewhere. And the more people here, the more distant their origins will be.

[irpsit]

So if 4D can mess up 3D just by being in activation, how does that jive with a transition period unless 4D segments and segregates itself away from 3D society as it peters out?

Full awareness of 4D electrical fields will cause 3D electrical fields to fail. But partial awareness does not. 3D can handle a little of it, and acclimatize over time, hence transitional forms, until 3D is transcended altogether.

Exactly. 2012 only measures the end of the harvest decision, either 3D again, 4D STO or STS. We take this decision at a soul level, so there its not possible to decide at a ego level. After 2012, the opportunity for this decision is over. 3D will wane but continues to exist. And naturally we can be a little bit more 4D, just until we provoke a failure of 3D electrical fields.

Its just like fasting. You rise your awareness level until your brain can't stand it anymore and you die (you then become egoless).

There is no need to do that. There is also no need to worry about 21st Dec 2012, which is only 9 days from now. Nothing works, except at a higher level, which is probably almost undetectable at a 3D level.

However, just like an astrological influence, the 2012 end date should entail a giant shift for everyone at a soul level. We have been harvested and now there is either commitment to either follow to a 3D new planet, 4D STS or 4D STO.

So, I predict that it's not only just as 21st Dec 2012 strikes, but weeks and years following this date, we will indeed see a big shift happening in our civlilization and people behavior. And a more accelerated reduction of the population.

Because some 3D souls might e eager to start their new 4D STO, 4D STS or 3D-repeat experience.

The souls remaining in Earth in 2013, 2014, 2015... will work into progressing further their karmic issues from the entire 3D experience, and also begin new 4D work. I expect to see some souls staying to experiment fully force a STS and STO experience, but only for those born before 2012.

Pratically speaking, after roughly 2100, no more souls born pre-2012 will be in Earth. Only new babies post-2012, and these have not to make any harvest decision, so they will be -probably- mostly concerned with working their environmental karmas, have a taste of 3D experience, or experiment with a STO group experience (community living for example).

These are my imperfect and rather blind feelings about it.

Peace and Love might be with you.

As I am eager for STO work, I am eagerly waiting for more humans entering the journey. (However I am not really sure about what my harvest is towards! My Earthly manifestation only plays guesses).

ALSO, There are a lot of practical issues in how to fully create and establish a STO group society.

First I feel we need to reinvent the concept of money, work and relationships. That is already a big start...

We need also to fully apply our concepts of bortherhood, love, honesty and trust...

[Horuseus]

the "new breed" includes the wanderers tho... how did earth acquire 3-3.5 billion more souls in the last 30 years if a majority of them weren't wanderers? We know it goes by seniority of vibration near the harvest, so it wouldn't make sense that a lot of them are 'new souls'...

A few channeled sources discuss how the Earth is a 'hotspot' for incarnations currently. Everyone wants in on the 'action' and to be part of the 'ride' which is taking place. The simultaneous ascension is somewhat of an experiment.

[drifting pages]

I am of the believe that if a soul wants to go to a different plane of experience it will go, it doesn't have to wait 25 k years. Now i dunno about planetary events maybe they are like that or not.

[Tenet Nosce]

Did y'all see the Q'uote for today?

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1130.aspx

[Richard]

Don't prepare for harvest. Prepare for the best life you can before Harvest happens to cross your path.

[irpsit]

I am feeling this now.

Everyone is focused with great awareness and even unorganized intent towards 21Dec 2012.

As we know, reality can manifest if many focused intent, and this does not violate free will.

If God, Earth, the Logos or Divine Intelligence, could give you that choice: whatever you focus collectively and individually could manifest, what would you, from your heart, you truly desire?

Bring your emotions.

What would that be?

Destruction to create space for something new for mankind?

An instanteneous moment of inspiration and bliss?

Just accelerated catalyst and increased energy?

Harvesting everyone instantaneously, with reality terminating sharp edged on that day?

Obviously, if we have different intents, then the Logos can only manifest that which is the spiritual sum of all intents, without enfringing free will.

We are connected and we all feel these intents to some degree, and indecision also to many degrees.

What is that, the sum?

[zenmaster]

Bigger question is why would one manufacture an excuse to focus their intent? Also, why put it off on such a manner?

[irpsit]

Bigger question is why would one manufacture an excuse to focus their intent? Also, why put it off on such a manner?

Collective mankind creates possibilities because they are connected to current end of 3D, start of 4D and harvest.

Souls are impatient and through the human lens, they create thoughts of destruction, mass ascension, not only wishes, fears and fantasies at personal level, but also global level...

It all makes sense.

But it would be much easier harvest if most would be pointing in the same direction. But we know of how difficult this harvest is. Conditions are very diverse.

To those in the forum interested and with heart on it:

we can meditate with intent on the 21st, towards a vision of STO 4D group of souls working in peace, trust, love and harmony. Brotherhood...

[hogey11]

No, it does not. The "breed" refers to those with the genetic connection to a 4D mind, not to the wanderer. The wanderer may only have the purely 3D connection. "Wanderers" are, comparatively speaking, drastically stunted in mental and psychic capacity. Generally speaking, the wanderer's ability is a vague notion of propriety due to prior distilled experience with "love" and "wisdom".

How do you know how a wanderer responds to the 'clock striking the hour' as opposed to a native 3D 'earthling'? Can we be sure they handle things exactly the same? Does the fact that they have 'somewhere to go' other than another 3D cycle complicate things? Would they receive the same 'trauma' a full 3D would receive if they were to become aware of 4D vibrations (which I still think is misunderstood as a whole new reality rather than a 'mode' of living)? I think there may be a wrinkle or two here.

The vast majority are actually earth natives and transplants. Remember, 2D harvests happen constantly.

Here's my problem with that. When Ra talks about 3D souls that don't make the harvest, they speak of another 75,000 year cycle. They don't say that we can piggyback onto another planet nearing harvest; we have to do the whole thing again.

2D cycles are longer than 3D cycles, and again, we know that incarnation near harvest is decided based on seniority of vibration. Letting in brand new 2D graduates makes no sense at this point in time as it's the end of cycle; it makes far more sense that the population spike is from elsewhere (ie: wanderers) who are here to 'help' with harvest by raising the planets vibration. That's why if you look at where the population has grown the most in the last 30 years, it's mostly in 3rd world and rural countries. I believe this is due to the risks that wealth and the first world bring to the table; it is easy to 'keep your eyes on the prize' when you are not being tempted 24/7. It allows these 'great souls' to keep grounded in their work as passive radiators (imo).

But it doesn't really go by seniority of vibration near the harvest. The concept of seniority of vibration is a universal constant, regardless of harvest time. Further, a wanderer would not prevent a single 3D native from experiencing this lifetime by denying it a suitable body.

I disagree. If there is not enough space/time to acquire the learnings needed for the harvest, the 'spot' would be much better used by a wanderer who could help in that regard. Sending a grade 1 student to high school doesn't help anybody.

It makes a great deal of sense that there have been a lot of 'new souls' in the past 30 years, simply because of the massive population growth and the quite suitable lower vibrations available. The opposite would be true, however. That is, if there was less population growth, there would be proportionally more 'old souls'.

You think there are lower vibrations now than before? The world has never been more bright or positive, so I don't get what you're saying. You seem to be inferring that the 3rd world and rural countries are in some sort of spiritual jail when I think the opposite is true. Also, most people from 3rd world countries that I have met respect life and love others far more than people from 'here'. Just my experience.

When the lower vibrations are no longer viable for providing 'new-soul' 3D catalyst, then there will be huge influx of 'old-soul', recent 4D graduates from elsewhere. And the more people here, the more distant their origins will be.

I see this already all around me. I know more young 'old souls' than I do old ones. If anybody seems like a dying breed, it's the confused old people. Young people have learnt from them enough; we're not taking what they had. We see where that brings you.

[Monica]

When Ra talks about 3D souls that don't make the harvest, they speak of another 75,000 year cycle. They don't say that we can piggyback onto another planet nearing harvest; we have to do the whole thing again.

Another 75,000 year cycle...not necessarily on this planet.

Letting in brand new 2D graduates makes no sense at this point in time as it's the end of cycle; it makes far more sense that the population spike is from elsewhere (ie: wanderers) who are here to 'help' with harvest by raising the planets vibration. That's why if you look at where the population has grown the most in the last 30 years, it's mostly in 3rd world and rural countries. I believe this is due to the risks that wealth and the first world bring to the table; it is easy to 'keep your eyes on the prize' when you are not being tempted 24/7. It allows these 'great souls' to keep grounded in their work as passive radiators (imo).

Interesting idea!

[zenmaster]

Bigger question is why would one manufacture an excuse to focus their intent? Also, why put it off on such a manner?

Collective mankind creates possibilities because they are connected to current end of 3D, start of 4D and harvest.

The collective has always been doing this, regardless of expectations fostered by framing by influential material and the vision of leaders.

Souls are impatient and through the human lens, they create thoughts of destruction, mass ascension, not only wishes, fears and fantasies at personal level, but also global level...

What one chooses to do with impatience is not inherent to the soul.

It all makes sense.

Everything makes sense.

But it would be much easier harvest if most would be pointing in the same direction.

North, East, West, or South?

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How do you know how a wanderer responds to the 'clock striking the hour' as opposed to a native 3D 'earthling'?

Why would I want to know this and why would that be relevant?

Can we be sure they handle things exactly the same?

Why does this matter?

Does the fact that they have 'somewhere to go' other than another 3D cycle complicate things?

Complicate in what manner? With respect to what?

Would they receive the same 'trauma' a full 3D would receive if they were to become aware of 4D vibrations (which I still think is misunderstood as a whole new reality rather than a 'mode' of living)?

What trauma are you talking about?

The vast majority are actually earth natives and transplants. Remember, 2D harvests happen constantly.

Here's my problem with that. When Ra talks about 3D souls that don't make the harvest, they speak of another 75,000 year cycle. They don't say that we can piggyback onto another planet nearing harvest; we have to do the whole thing again.

I presume you are referring to the transplants. It would be surprising if these did not number in the millions, as we've killed off a lot of the intermediate species here.

2D cycles are longer than 3D cycles, and again, we know that incarnation near harvest is decided based on seniority of vibration.

2D encompasses everything from a microbe to a neanderthal. Again, incarnation before and after harvest is also decided based on seniority of vibration. The thing is, due to experience, wanderers have much more of a choice in the matter of participation.

Letting in brand new 2D graduates makes no sense at this point in time as it's the end of cycle;

It would make no sense if there was relative lack of opportunity. But you see, there is plenty of opportunity due to the population size.

it makes far more sense that the population spike is from elsewhere (ie: wanderers) who are here to 'help' with harvest by raising the planets vibration.

You don't 'help' by denying opportunity to experience a life. I'd say the wanderer incarnation rate is steady with the population growth. Perhaps 1.5-2%.

That's why if you look at where the population has grown the most in the last 30 years, it's mostly in 3rd world and rural countries. I believe this is due to the risks that wealth and the first world bring to the table;

It's due to the results of copulation in those countries.

it is easy to 'keep your eyes on the prize' when you are not being tempted 24/7. It allows these 'great souls' to keep grounded in their work as passive radiators (imo).

Tempted by what?

But it doesn't really go by seniority of vibration near the harvest. The concept of seniority of vibration is a universal constant, regardless of harvest time. Further, a wanderer would not prevent a single 3D native from experiencing this lifetime by denying it a suitable body.

I disagree. If there is not enough space/time to acquire the learnings needed for the harvest, the 'spot' would be much better used by a wanderer who could help in that regard. Sending a grade 1 student to high school doesn't help anybody.

But there is no 'high school' at this time. All subdensities are bursting with catalyst at the moment, in a wide range of social environments which are at varying levels of progress with regards to removing distortions.

It makes a great deal of sense that there have been a lot of 'new souls' in the past 30 years, simply because of the massive population growth and the quite suitable lower vibrations available. The opposite would be true, however. That is, if there was less population growth, there would be proportionally more 'old souls'.

You think there are lower vibrations now than before?

No, what makes you say that?

The world has never been more bright or positive, so I don't get what you're saying.

Lower vibrations have nothing to do with attitude? It has to do with distortions and balancing opportunities.

You seem to be inferring that the 3rd world and rural countries are in some sort of spiritual jail when I think the opposite is true.

Wherever are you getting this notion? Spiritual jail?

Also, most people from 3rd world countries that I have met respect life and love others far more than people from 'here'. Just my experience.

Yes, but that degree of respect for life and demonstration of love is really something that has always existed in many social cultures, regardless of what subdensities are being worked with. Generally speaking, most are highly distorted, being relatively new to 3D experience. A tribal culture, for example, still experiencing the world via participation mystique is quite in harmony with themselves and the environment. Yet they are still very much distorted and therefore limited in what may be appreciated from the higher vibrations.

When the lower vibrations are no longer viable for providing 'new-soul' 3D catalyst, then there will be huge influx of 'old-soul', recent 4D graduates from elsewhere. And the more people here, the more distant their origins will be.

I see this already all around me. I know more young 'old souls' than I do old ones. If anybody seems like a dying breed, it's the confused old people. Young people have learnt from them enough; we're not taking what they had. We see where that brings you.

Yes, but it is not happening to a large extent, at the moment, due to the viable catalyst at the lower vibrations.

[Confused]

THE HARVESTERS

Chapter 4 from the book, Other Tongues--Other Flesh, by George Hunt Williamson [1953]

[loop]

There's the CA's explanation of how things are to unfold:
http://rainbow-phoenix.com/blog/2012/12/...nsion.html

It matches the description of the harvest process, which a Wonderer presented in a forum and pointed me (and many others I guess) to the LOO material about 3 years ago.

Enjoy the session.

Cheers,
Kaloyan

[Monica]

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[zenmaster]

Wierd, but stag motif is interesting.

[Monica]

Wierd, but stag motif is interesting.

Weird? That's just standard Pagan.

[Aureus]

There's the CA's explanation of how things are to unfold:
http://rainbow-phoenix.com/blog/2012/12/...nsion.html

It matches the description of the harvest process, which a Wonderer presented in a forum and pointed me (and many others I guess) to the LOO material about 3 years ago.

Enjoy the session.

Cheers,
Kaloyan

Sounds compatible with the hidden-hand material.

[Richard]

I don't remember the last 75,000 years. What possible difference would it make to have to do it again if we have no memory of each lifetime?

Gradual vs Abrupt?....well, not too long to answer that one. I don't have any expectations one way or the other. I remain open to possibilities and I'll be home...just in case.

12-21-12 hits CST @ 5:11AM...I wonder if I'll be awake? I rarely sleep through the nights any longer.

[Jeremy]

Apologies if this has been discussed already but let's assume it's abrupt and for instance I by some chance am a wanderer or I somehow graduate. What happens to my daughter? What if I don't want to leave her if she were to remain within a 3d sphere?

[GentleReckoning]

the "new breed" includes the wanderers tho... how did earth acquire 3-3.5 billion more souls in the last 30 years if a majority of them weren't wanderers? We know it goes by seniority of vibration near the harvest, so it wouldn't make sense that a lot of them are 'new souls'...

A few channeled sources discuss how the Earth is a 'hotspot' for incarnations currently. Everyone wants in on the 'action' and to be part of the 'ride' which is taking place. The simultaneous ascension is somewhat of an experiment.

Free-will is so beautiful.

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12-21-12 hits CST @ 5:11AM...I wonder if I'll be awake? I rarely sleep through the nights any longer.

I need much, much less sleep.

[indiGo33]

Xradfl> Remember firstly that the whole notion of separation is an Illusion so no matter the Distance/Vibration/Density you will never be truly apart from her or anyone else, and all paths eventually cross again in higher densities. Also remeber all children in this space\time time are meant to follow their own journey to self-awareness, you give them their vehicle and they choose the road. So do not despair and give abundance to all.

[GentleReckoning]

Apologies if this has been discussed already but let's assume it's abrupt and for instance I by some chance am a wanderer or I somehow graduate. What happens to my daughter? What if I don't want to leave her if she were to remain within a 3d sphere?

It is my understanding that more and more of the children being born are of higher and higher vibrations. I would not worry overmuch.

[Cimi]

May be off-topic, but I read that you guys sleep very little. However I myself "require" a lot MORE sleep then before. I have always seen this as something positive, like integrating and healing my body while my spirit is off playing in the astral realms. How come you need less sleep and I require more? If I only sleep, say 5-6 hours I become dead tired, If I sleep normally 8-10 hours I feel refreshed and vitalized. Any thoughts on this? Maybe I still have more "body-work" to do, and maybe my age of 21 is a factor in this? I read somewhere that the body reproduces all cells in 7-year intervals, and if this is the case I just got on my 3d cycle, maybe this can explain the need for more sleep?
Just some thoughts ^^.

Namaste.

[reeay]

I sleep more when I am balancing my energy centers and working through catalyst. If you exercise vigorously you'd probably sleep more, too, as your body needs that much time to recover from the muscle wears and tears. Younger people who are physically developing will naturally sleep more so that the body could grow/regenerate. Considering that the pineal gland is connected to the circadian cycle, I am sure there is a metaphysical functionality to longer sleep cycles. Erratic or inefficient sleep does require a person to sleep more often due to brain's inability to 'reset.'

Btw - if you're 25yo and younger, your frontal lobe is still developing so I do believe you would need good nights sleep to allow this crucial part of the brain to develop.

[Horuseus]

May be off-topic, but I read that you guys sleep very little. However I myself "require" a lot MORE sleep then before. I have always seen this as something positive, like integrating and healing my body while my spirit is off playing in the astral realms. How come you need less sleep and I require more? If I only sleep, say 5-6 hours I become dead tired, If I sleep normally 8-10 hours I feel refreshed and vitalized. Any thoughts on this? Maybe I still have more "body-work" to do, and maybe my age of 21 is a factor in this? I read somewhere that the body reproduces all cells in 7-year intervals, and if this is the case I just got on my 3d cycle, maybe this can explain the need for more sleep?
Just some thoughts ^^.

Namaste.

I'm also 21 and I've recently been sleeping 8-10 or even 10-12 hour nights.

From what I understand there's a considerable number of 'workings' taking place during this time period, as Rie hinted to above, but also 'externally' by other selves.

That, and I'm lazy.

[Richard]

You will naturally need less sleep as you age. Just the way things work. I sleep around 5-6 hours a night. Well, I go to be early enough to sleep that long. But I wake often at night...every hour to hour and half or so. So not even sure how much or how little I sleep.

[Cimi]

I'm also 21 and I've recently been sleeping 8-10 or even 10-12 hour nights.

From what I understand there's a considerable number of 'workings' taking place during this time period, as Rie hinted to above, but also 'externally' by other selves.

That, and I'm lazy.

Haha! Yeah Rie gave me a lot of good answers. Fact is ALSO that I'm very physically active. I go to the gym 5 days a week and lift heavy weights, and take long walks in nature almost everyday. And all the other factors tied in with the fact that I love to sleep. (don't want to use the word lazy but I guess I am anyway). For me personally, my dreams are the closest thing I can get to interpreting messages given to me and a sense that I'm more connected to my higher selves and therefore sometimes being given useful information and wisdom "downloaded" to me, which other seems to get through meditation if I understood it correctly. Meditation haven't worked like that for me in that sense that I have deep trances or experiences. I just use meditation as a tool for relaxing and doing it while listening to guided meditations and sound-healings.

Lately I have been having my bag of crystals under my pillow where some of them are said to give you better recollection of your dreams (believe it is my Jade and Citrine specifically, could be Lapis Lazuli as well) and it have significantly worked since I did this. Also another thing I've been working on is that I focus with intent until I actually go to sleep that I remember my dreams, like if I programme myself with intent to do this and it has worked!.

Thank you for your answers, this satisfied me a great deal. I wasn't really aware that my brain and it's parts were still in developement.

Namaste!

[indiGo33]

May be off-topic, but I read that you guys sleep very little. However I myself "require" a lot MORE sleep then before. I have always seen this as something positive, like integrating and healing my body while my spirit is off playing in the astral realms. How come you need less sleep and I require more? If I only sleep, say 5-6 hours I become dead tired, If I sleep normally 8-10 hours I feel refreshed and vitalized. Any thoughts on this? Maybe I still have more "body-work" to do, and maybe my age of 21 is a factor in this? I read somewhere that the body reproduces all cells in 7-year intervals, and if this is the case I just got on my 3d cycle, maybe this can explain the need for more sleep?
Just some thoughts ^^.

I sleep almost the same amount as you partly because a enjoy sleeping and partly because my college classes start very early. Nevertheless there are a lot of great things you could do while sleeping. For example, Lucid Dreams, Astral Projections/Sleep paralysis just to name a few and those things are definitely more awesome than the boring "real" world, jk) Plus I see your birthday is only day apart from mine, and we Novemberers tend to burn a lot of energy on all the daily activities)