The Last Battle

[Shin'Ar]

For my understanding of the concept of Lucifer, I direct you to this post,

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4276


where much was discussed on the angel and the concepts of good and evil.


I did not take offense from Cyan's thoughts and actually found her to be something similar to my own.

Basically suggesting that Lucifer is a name put on that inner voice which attempts to lead you into temptation.

But in history, and according to much ancient wisdom and many ancient cultures Lucifer is much more than one of the little guys sitting on one of your shoulders.

And It certainly is NOt an evil demon waiting in the shadows to take your soul into damnation.

See Sanat Kumara and The Peacock Angel or the Green Man to learn of Lucifer's alter egos.

[Aaron]

By "that post" I assume you're referring to the Luciferian post. (I referenced 2 incidents, not just 1.)

Even if my name wasn't on that list, I would consider labeling any of our members "the heartless inquisitive scientists who's heart is in the result that lies beyond this life" most definitely in the category disrespectful.

Here's a math lesson:

If a=b and b=c, then a=c.

If Lucifer=STS and Z, S and M = Lucifer, then Z, S and M = STS.

So yes, those individuals were labeled STS.

Well I'm glad to hear you aren't speaking for the mods here Aaron.

Yes, I was referring to the post on this thread.

The point of your math analogy is that you feel like Cyan is indirectly calling or labeling those members STS, if I am understanding correctly. Again, the interpretation of the words, the emotional reaction one has, is due to the bias held by the reader. It's the difference between perceiving something as a judgement or a discernment. (regardless of the inherent correctness/incorrectness of it)

[Monica]

Yes, I was referring to the post on this thread.

The point of your math analogy is that you feel like Cyan is indirectly calling or labeling those members STS, if I am understanding correctly. Again, the interpretation of the words, the emotional reaction one has, is due to the bias held by the reader. It's the difference between perceiving something as a judgement or a discernment. (regardless of the inherent correctness/incorrectness of it)

[Cyan]

Whoa!!! I don't belong in that list!

Note to Cyan: Apparently there aren't any mods on duty right now. As moderator alumni, I will tell you that this is the 2nd time in as many days you've violated a guideline.

Sexist remarks aren't allowed. Neither is labeling another member a negative association like Luciferian.

I would appreciate it if you would remove both offensive comments. (And I would make the same request if it involved someone other than myself...which one of them does.)

Thanks

I dont consider them negative. If you consider it negative instead of part of the whole i will oblidge.

The other part was started by you

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Hey Cyan, I enjoyed your post. However, it is clear that your perception of lucifer is drastically different from others.

At the same time, it is funny that you manifested the reaction to your 'answer' that you did. Especially considering that in the same post you said you felt as though you should be doing something other than answering questions.

This dance of the higher selves is fun to witness.

Love and light

Indeed, Most arguments stem from and arise from differences in perceptions of objects being referred to.

Example.

In my culture, the phrase "I may disagree with you but fight to the death for your right to say what you believe" is the reality of things. That is why, it is, at times, hard to differentiate what is accepted and what is not. It is intereting that others can comment on things that they perceive as positive (almost always extroverted statements such as *you obviously need a hug*) which is a statement of the interior conditions of the other poster without approval. But. When saying something such as *you obviously have a scientific personality and love to question and organize things according to left brain paradigms and build hierarchies of power around that such as forum structures, you do not need a hug, but you may need a wrench* you get a different reaction entirely, even though, to be technical, both are the same statement. In that they comment on the internal processes of a different poster without permission. But, if the shoe of being offended fits, wear it.

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Whoa!!! I don't belong in that list!

Note to Cyan: Apparently there aren't any mods on duty right now. As moderator alumni, I will tell you that this is the 2nd time in as many days you've violated a guideline.

Sexist remarks aren't allowed. Neither is labeling another member a negative association like Luciferian.

I would appreciate it if you would remove both offensive comments. (And I would make the same request if it involved someone other than myself...which one of them does.)

Thanks

Monica, in my personal opinion, I don't think Cyan violated any guidelines with that post.

What he said was:

In my view, the best examples of Lucifer energies, as i perceive them here are Zen, Me, Shin'ar, Monica, off the top of my head.

Regardless of how tactful it may or may not be to attempt to communicate one's subjective perceptions of the spiritual identities of other members... (remember we are behind the veil!)

There is nothing inherently disrespectful to what Cyan said, in my opinion (not speaking for the whole moderator team). Lucifer is just an identity. How one reacts to another's subjective perception of other-self as that identity depends on the biases one holds towards that identity. Of course it's true that Lucifer is negatively polarized (before the mid 6th density point), it's far different than name calling - calling someone STS for example.

It also depends on Cyan's intentions. Because he said "In my view", this leads me to believe he's sharing his subjective perception, rather than labeling another member which would be name calling. One could switch out the identity he mentioned for any other identity, and the reactions received would be across the spectrum (as they could be for even the one identity).

Absolutely a Subjective perception, since it is the only way I can have anything remotely resembling sanity in regards to my environment. Also, lucifer isnt STS, lucifer is beyond 6.5 since its an archtype for the most part. Thats why no one can "be it" they can only "represent it in the situation at hand", the person i know is very close to "it", close enough to segway seamlessly into it but still is not "it" and so on. And how often you slide into representing that archtype is your resonance/affinity for that archtype.

I will list public figures that, according to my subjective view, are "resonant with" the principles of "it" in this case.

Hawkings (likes to question already existing scientific paradigms and build his own, which ends up working better and causing a great deal of embarresment to the other scientists)
Darwin (likes to not believe in "all happened in a day" and goes around on a ship collecting, cataloging, and killing things so that we'll have a more clear understanding of the various paths of evolution)
Washington (likes to believe that King and God should not rule, in a hierarchical manner, and seeks to overthrow it)
hmm....

I wonder who else.

Well, let me put the opposite here as well, those who resonate with Jahweh "principle":

The Pope (Belives that all are best served by a hierarchy that decides a common ground on which god apparently agrees upon)
Michael Jackson (Song "Make it a better place, for you and for me" is a clear indication of your need to serve a specific agena of improvement for all, but as you can not know what the all wants, only what you want, its a clear Jahweh principle of "just make it better somehow")
Most Channelers but not all (Like to believe that they are making the world a better place by acting in the service of others, sometimes works, sometimes doesnt, but the method chosen is most often congurent with the idea of an exterior hierarchy that protects to some extent due to the helpful nature of your work)

Etc. Etc etc.

Now. This should, perhaps, clarify a little bit what I perceive as "It" and why such a topic of so difficult to discuss. As people do not, as i perceive it, generally like to dissect both the behavior AND the consequences of that behavior into an assesment of what resonances are felt, they usually only go for the "what was felt would happen" and not the "what actually happened" because what actually happened is heinously difficult to analyze with any certainty due to its entirely subjective (changes if you think things about your actions) nature.

If your analysis of the consequences of your actions changes as you analyze the consequences of your actions, it is maddedningly tempting to throw hands up in the air and just go "enough already" and start doing something else, but, the discernment and analysis over long periods of times is neccesary to reveal both archtypes. The archtype of "what I hope I accomplish" and the archtype of "what I actually do".

Most often, they are "I hope I am the hero" but in reality "I am the lucifer archtype" because. That is the way it goes. Jahweh archtype builds the structure the next generation of Lucifer archtypes tear down and destroy and try to build a new one. But at some point along the process, the lucifer archtype usually starts to vanish as all information is contained and catalogued already and thats when the difficult part of the process tends to start, noticing that its been used, realizing how long its been used, and slowly accepting that is used, it has been used for a loving reason, and equally lovingly letting it go.

I hope this, in a way, clarifies? Or perhaps, since the situation is flowing in light and clarification, murkies it up for easier looking. Too bright a clarification can hurt the eyes like looking into a superbright light.

to all

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Even if my name wasn't on that list, I would consider labeling any of our members "the heartless inquisitive scientists who's heart is in the result that lies beyond this life" most definitely in the category disrespectful.

*hug*

Let me hopefully put some of this to rest.

I consider myself that, and I consider that the much respected deceased Don is a great example of the seeker scientist. He was, until the end, as much as I have heard of and understand the story, a seeker that was determined to do what ever was he felt was right even if it ended badly. Such determination and risk taking in the face of pressure from everyone around and culminating in the way it did, that Don did appear later and say everything went exactly as it was meant to go, is the classical example of the L energies.

Martyrs dont martyr themselves if there is no one to martyr for. But, those who are studying a phenomena may martyr themselves for the knowledge of how that phenomena works.

I will not comment on the deceased more than to comment that he was, perhaps, one of the most determined and skilled scientists I have read and despite not always asking the right or appropriate questions, I have great respect for the sacrifices and the path that he has taken.

But that does not alter my subjective understanding that within the Ra channeling experiment, he played the part of the questioner, that is to say, the part of the one that tears down all structures and seeks to impose his own through understanding.

Lucifer does NOT = the devil or STS or Satan. It belongs to the tree of destruction much like surgery does, but does not compose the entirety of the tree of destruction like STS does, willful harm like the devil/satan archtypes do.

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For my understanding of the concept of Lucifer, I direct you to this post,

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4276

where much was discussed on the angel and the concepts of good and evil.

I did not take offense from Cyan's thoughts and actually found her to be something similar to my own.

Basically suggesting that Lucifer is a name put on that inner voice which attempts to lead you into temptation.

Yes, in that all curiosity towards objects / phenomena you study is a temptation. Curisoity towards channeling is a temptation, just as much as curiosity towards what kind of bread to choose in your morning food is a temptation.

But in history, and according to much ancient wisdom and many ancient cultures Lucifer is much more than one of the little guys sitting on one of your shoulders.

And It certainly is NOt an evil demon waiting in the shadows to take your soul into damnation.

See Sanat Kumara and The Peacock Angel or the Green Man to learn of Lucifer's alter egos.

From my observations of it, The Peacock Angel and the Green Man are two of, without reading anything more about the books, as ways of perceiving it, entirely accurate.

They for me, immediately resonate with the concepts of Lucifer as I have seen it and interacted with it. Both resemble a hypnotic bug lamp like effect that gets stronger with presence until.

Something that I'm still quite uncofmortable with in Regards to Lucifer is not that it takes out your soul and studies it, but rather, how insitent it is after studying it, that you get it back.

A few times i've interacted with it and its looked at something in "me" its been super insistant to the point of mild annoyance (thank "god" that it was) that I get it back in every drop.

As we are not always the purest of entities with the purest of intents, it is perhaps, the hardest part to get back, especially since it is so gosh darn easy to just build new energies, but THAT is something you may not want to do. Give it your energies to study, refuse to take them back, and spawn a new energyset... In my experience that tends to create side personalities if attempted and tends to disintegrate super quickly as the entity can point out that you are creating a new personality in the situation and therefore, you would need to lie about it to lucifers face and that makes you interesting again, and that you dont want to be if you want to contain your soul in its presence, so. What happens is that you essentially push your cognitive soul onto "it" while you discuss with "it/others" and it pushes it back to you after the dialogue is over, goes home, and scribbles down like crazy all it saw and how it may use it for other projects, what ever it is working on. In the case of for example, Hawkings and the Photons in those experiments, viewing the "soul" of that "photon" without "permission" is classical case of Luciferian approach. If the photon behaves predictably, it escapes easily, and only if it does something super unpredictable do they attempt to capture it and so some additional research on it until it is predictable.

To put a, perhaps, different spin on this. Lucifer is the last entity you see before melding with the all is one because it is the last way to tempt you away from the all is one. You always perceive it as an external, and never as an internal, it is the first external to be born, and the last external to vanish. If the "I" that observes is the god that creates as there is only the "I am" then lucifer is, essentially, the first companion you will have. And only a fool would think thats because it creates, it is, rather, because it is the first logical creation to counterbalance the perfect beauty, harmony and everythingness that you hold within but do not know. So the one you see first has to be, in a way, the exact opposite, the childlike spirit with a determination to study anything regardless of the consquences for personal health of itself or others, as such concepts have not yet been invented.

The adventures of Mark Twain in clayanimation and the scene where they create the castle in that rock that floats in space and Lucifer remarks:

"I can do no evil, for I do not know what it is."

Is both so sad, and so true.

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The point of your math analogy is that you feel like Cyan is indirectly calling or labeling those members STS, if I am understanding correctly.

I believe I can not categorically label anyone either STS or STO as those are situation specific labels.

The only way to gauge STS/STO split in a meaningful way would be to observe the person in question without interruption for the duration of its entire lifetime and then look at the wave of actions like a musical instrument wave and then compare the total number of "mmm" sounds to the total number of "nnn" sounds. And would be entirely irrelevant to me personally but maybe important for someone elses personal evolution.

That is to say. You never get to know or say who is STS/STO until that person is dead, and even then, only if you inhabited that persons head for its entire lifetime. (Edit: I was once told, and took it to heart, that the only meaningful status to put would be "STO-Candidate and STS-Candidate". Because in a specific situation ones actions maybe candidates for STO or STS specific outcomes but such outcomes are not decided yet, similarly to electoral candidates and the day of the election being the day when all the fruit are tallied up and measured, also known as death)

So, you know, i'm sticking away from that topic. You may however say which mask they play according to your perceptions of the masks/archtypes and that, i believe, is much more likely to succeed and have some additional benefits.

"oh, you are the painter archtype" or "oh, you are the music make archtype" as opposed "oh, you serve yourself" (its just one entity) "I know right, what am i looping with this service concept". It would seem, I am looping, the end of my journey, and the evaluation at that end of my journey, for the next part after this life. Hmm. It seem I have a specific archtype who's field I am looping, hmm, is that archtype of.... Perhaps, someone who comes to evaluate me, at the end of my journey, perhaps, someone who i really believe is separate from me, who may be a form of evil, that i may need to overcome, to fight with, have a epic battle on a mountain top etc etc etc.

Anyway. I have a different view on what Lucifer is than most posters, and, while it may cause dissodance on these forums, and for that I apologize and offer my condolences. I believe my view of Lucifer is of higher value than most views presented here, as my view allows more steady defeat of and detachment from from the heartless scientist state. Which is why I place myself in the Lucifer channeling principle quite squarely as well, at times.

It is a difficult thing to measure just how much i would place such a principle on myself, but i know I can pass through it (lucifer) and return (relatively) unharmed. Much like, i imagine, Dante did when "he" wrote the Divina Comedia.

to all on this difficult topic

PS: It has been a while (around a year? Perhaps my perception of time is still skewed so much that I am unable to tell its only half a year?) That I have had to intentionally use all my chakras in some form of synch to be able to maintain the energies required to participate in the discussion on the level where i feel it is appropriate. This is good exercise, the heavy intent i need to put on being honest and standing in my perception is causing me to perspirate the same as if i do a healing (relatively cold room,) hands slowly start to get colder then i start to sweat all along my back and my armpits like crazy even though i'm sitting still and just writing. Its is exquisitely good energy endurance training after such a illness that I had.

I feel I have, for the most part, answered the question here about what do I see as Lucifer, as well as pointing out "who" as was asked. Then removed offending passaged, re-clarified my message and apologized if offence was taken where non was meant. Given highly respected members of society (at least by me) as examples of Lucifer in a positive way, its structure in the tree of STS actions so as to be able to pinpoint the difference between STS and Lucifer and Devil/demons and Satan. All of which are as separates and whole as the christian concept of trinity and one is separated and whole. It is whole on the level that is not relevant to us as more than a study aid, and on the level of separated selves where we still dwell (I would imagine until 6.5 on some level we are separarated) then STS and Lucifer and the demons/devils and Satan are not the same entity, despite them liking others to believe so.

The diplomat and the scientist of "one faction" is not the same as "that factions" warlords and genocidists. And that would be a good point to rememeber, I think.

If there are any specific points to me, i will answer. But i feel it is best I migrate from here to my "how to build your own dragon" thread as it is much more constructive and in line with my higher self.

I thank you all for the lovely discussion. I still havent responded to that other thread carefully as i feel the situation (the ritual in question) is in too much of a state of flux by its designers to warrant commenting on it more than to say that it is something i probably will not participate in.

Once it is closer i will reread all responses carefully and respond in a good way.

These responses are usually only possible once or twice a day, to maybe 3-5 a week until i become exhausted and moody due to the heavy workload.

On a lighter topic. I love that I'm able to now build a mechanical living AI dragon if I have sufficient energy. Such "spells" make my stomach flutter with butterflies in anticipation of future adventures that such a world would allow, that alredy allows me to build my own companion dragon...

If nothing in this resonates with anything but anger, harm and insults then PLEASE


PLEASE


PLEASE


Move along and dont resonate with it, I categorically say I mean no offence with any post in this thread to any member of this forum/channeling group, living or dead. If nothing in these posts resonates with love and light, then let it all fall away and think of it as a 2012 related hickup or some such.

[Shin'Ar]

Cyan thanks for your extreme effort.


Al though I am not in agreement with all of your interpretation I think you have managed to express yourself clearly.

And only a fool would think thats because it creates, it is, rather, because it is the first logical creation to counterbalance the perfect beauty, harmony and everythingness that you hold within but do not know. So the one you see first has to be, in a way, the exact opposite, the childlike spirit with a determination to study anything regardless of the consquences for personal health of itself or others, as such concepts have not yet been invented.

Confused here. When you said only a fool would think 'it' creates, was the 'it' the fool, or Lucifer?

If Lucifer, which seems to fit with the rest of your clarification about how you think of Lucifer, than this would suggest that you do not believe Lucifer to have the power to actually create.

is that correct?

Finally I would just like to say, IMHO, that Lucifer is one of the first of the fragmented fields of consciousness, and also one of the archangels.

This 'other' concepts of Lucifer as some representation of darkness and evil, or even as Cyan speculates, an inner struggle between the physical and the spiritual, are simply not in line with the ancient teachings of Lucifer.

They are simply the fallout of the perversions that have taken place which twisted and corrupted many of the ancient teachings and used that name in error and confusion.

[Cyan]

Cyan thanks for your extreme effort.

You are welcome, while "it" is at times, a useful tool, it is intensely exhausting for any channel for an extended period of time so I may have to fold otu of all L worded conversations in a few days before I peak out my tolerance and switch to a different density body again as my vitals run out mid channeling.

Al though I am not in agreement with all of your interpretation I think you have managed to express yourself clearly.

I would be super surprised if anyone was in total agreement with my vision of what, in essence, cannot be agreed upon due to its nature as the last / first changer.

And only a fool would think thats because it creates, it is, rather, because it is the first logical creation to counterbalance the perfect beauty, harmony and everythingness that you hold within but do not know. So the one you see first has to be, in a way, the exact opposite, the childlike spirit with a determination to study anything regardless of the consquences for personal health of itself or others, as such concepts have not yet been invented.

Confused here. When you said only a fool would think 'it' creates, was the 'it' the fool, or Lucifer?

I meant that it takes a very special kind of fool to worship or believe in Lucifer as the creator because of its apparent closeness to the creator (yourself/internalself).

A personal tidbit about this: Its a mistake I made in one meditation when I assumed that what the internal self perceives is God, but I later turned that around into a belief that what the internal self perceives is the internal interactions thrown onto the external sphere which we observe the world through. So "God/Creator" is internal and always unseen, except through the eyes of someone who is willing to mirror you to you when you are feeling "it" as pure. But to channel it to you pure when you are feeling it pure requires for them to see something which bends/breaks the laws of physics. I have never seen what it looks like nor have I inquired what is has looked like when I have been in that state (the only I, I can know when it is in the state). And I would prefer not to for obvious veil breaching reasons.

If Lucifer, which seems to fit with the rest of your clarification about how you think of Lucifer, than this would suggest that you do not believe Lucifer to have the power to actually create.

It doesnt, not at least in any meaningful way that we would imagine create. Anymore than "the hero" can create or "the fisherman" can create, they are kind of archtypes / jobs. In that "job" of "lucifer" you essentially can not create but rather work as the opposite or the mirror for the creations of others for the purposes of judging / evaluation / poking forward intentionally in a way that may cause pain.

is that correct?

Quite.

Finally I would just like to say, IMHO, that Lucifer is one of the first of the fragmented fields of consciousness, and also one of the archangels.

Yes it is I'm unsure if it is the first, or amongst the first but it is up there somewhere . It is one that looks like a triangle shaped archangel that first grows a new set of eyes between the eyes and the nose, then a new set of eyes on the outer line of the eyebrows on the exterior sides, then a expanding set of eyes getting smaller that gives horned shape, then the same for the mouth downward creating the goat beard shape and usually likes have a very large mouth white white pearly teeth and likes to smile a lot and laugh and enjoy themselves and comment on the lack of wisdom in giving out too much.

This 'other' concepts of Lucifer as some representation of darkness and evil, or even as Cyan speculates, an inner struggle between the physical and the spiritual, are simply not in line with the ancient teachings of Lucifer.

There is always a inner representation of darkness and evil, but i doubt it is someone whos name is "light-bringer". Those guys I dont study but i do know their rough outlines and names and i've left it at that. I dont need to know the names, invocations, locations and occupations of all the darkness and evil entities in the world anymore than i need to know the same for light side creatures. I consider it "superfluous". If i feel i have a need for someone who is darkness and evil and my conventional group of friends wont do, i'll ask one of them for the darkest contact they have, get in touch with it and be nice, polite, upforward about why I need to see them and discuss my things with them (usually advisory nature) and they'll almost always give me their name in relation to me. Then i'll put their astral name down on my phone and I'll have a "demon" on speed-dial. I tend to not get super harassed about these things due to being too useful to too many groups for any single group to have the power to mess with all the other groups and try to take me down spiritually.

Best they can do is try to convince me to off myself, but thanks to a copious supply of "happiness", that has not worked, and even such attempts are slowly winding down. Last "great attack" of the astral nature that I could actually categorize as an attack and not a misinterpetation of catalyst by me would be 2-3 years ago when a beggar kicked me for not giving him money and i had a fistfight with him. That is as close as I have been to anything resembling "real" astral danger in a long while.

My personal stupidity in dealing with catalyst that lands me in danger is just my personality and has nothing to do with astral entities, most humans are quite skilled ad getting in trouble all on their own.

They are simply the fallout of the perversions that have taken place which twisted and corrupted many of the ancient teachings and used that name in error and confusion.

Yup, the actual "dark" entities that i "come across" usually are the ones that have the most trouble with saying the word "Lucifer".

A close analogue would be in Lord of the rings, when they have that ring in the council and Gandalf starts to speak that ancient tongue. That scene is Gandalf saying "lucifer" and all others are going "eeehhh" but as the movie advances, you'll see that only Gandalf is unafraid of death/personal sacrifice while all others expect Sam hesitate at the moment.

I know its not a great metaphor, but it fits. When the word needs to be said it needs to be said in a loud and booming voice lest a whisper be misintreprted as Meekness in the face of yourself.

Only those who serve someone need to fear saying that someones name. For all others it should be no different than saying "car" or "airplane" or "computer" and have the same emotional level.

I call it lucifer because:

Lord of Poking people with a stick in a calculated manner when they need to be poked with a stick so as to agitate them to work better towards their own evolution and the evolution of the all through that.

Is wordy.

If I may be, so bold as to inject a slight amount of humor here, without, i hope such a humor explodes horribly horribly like the hindenburg:

This is rather classically a Luciferian(the artists, not the charachters) standpoint on the 21.12.2012 debate. Not necceseirly mine but i find it funny and hope it carries the point across. (the reason it is funny is because if something happens, he has a perfect set of charachters to seamlessly segway into 4th Density earth and continue the webcomic there)

It is from the latest sinfest comic, sinfest is a comic about all the astral entities as they interact with the person who draws the comic, there is god, a Zen buddhist monk that floats on a cloud touching objects on the nose, spy pyramids, feminists, love, hate. Its a good comic.

[Tenet Nosce]

OK boys and girls... now gather 'round. Do we see what happens when we try to send love to negative entities? Now... what have we learned?

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But seriously, my understanding of Lucifer was that they were responsible for the implementation of the program of "good and evil." This was a distortion designed to put some fire under people's asses where spiritual evolution was concerned.

As with all teach/learning tools, what was at an earlier point of development appropriate and helpful, eventually becomes obsolete and actually a hindrance.

Thus we find ourselves solidly into the 21st century with somewhere about 1 in 2 humans in need of severe remediation of cosmology in order to make any further progress in spiritual growth.

In other words: It's time to take the training wheels off.

[Monica]

OK boys and girls... now gather 'round. Do we see what happens when we try to send love to negative entities? Now... what have we learned?

Actually, sending love to negative entities worked out great!

It was just the discussion with those who didn't want to, that didn't.

[Tenet Nosce]

OK boys and girls... now gather 'round. Do we see what happens when we try to send love to negative entities? Now... what have we learned?

Actually, sending love to negative entities worked out great!

It was just the discussion with those who didn't want to, that didn't.

111 Thread Redirect --> What will you be doing 12-21-12? and...Any Questions?

Yup. Looks like a great time was had by all.

[Spaced]

OK boys and girls... now gather 'round. Do we see what happens when we try to send love to negative entities? Now... what have we learned?

Actually, sending love to negative entities worked out great!

It was just the discussion with those who didn't want to, that didn't.

111 Thread Redirect --> What will you be doing 12-21-12? and...Any Questions?

Yup. Looks like a great time was had by all.

I don't see the connection between something that Gemini Wolf experienced as part of his personal journey before a group meditation and the effects of said meditation.

[Monica]

I don't see the connection between something that Gemini Wolf experienced as part of his personal journey before a group meditation and the effects of said meditation.

Exactly what I was about to say. I talked to Gemini on the phone last night. He didn't even participate in the meditation, and his issues had nothing to do with it. That's all I will say about him.

[Tenet Nosce]

I don't see the connection between something that Gemini Wolf experienced as part of his personal journey before a group meditation and the effects of said meditation.

I observe that everything is connected, and will leave it at that.

[norral]

i think its best not to label anyone anything. its all personal perception and hasnt it been said that we contain both polarities within us. and wasnt the point of the thread to not take a judgemental view of the polarity of others who we consider to be "evil". for everyone on this board i have seen posts i like and i dont like. so what its my own personal opinion ill keep it to myself and off the board. its not even that someone gets offended from what we say even though that could certainly occur but now we have put someone into a box. so and so represents the luceferian energy , well what about when they represent the christ energy ha ha . ill refrain from boxing someone into any particular vibe . hopefully moving deeper into the photon belt will continue to deepen our understanding and compassion for one another. personally i know i am always open to friendliness and kindness coming from others and when i see that i dont care about the past quite frankly. someone could have had 100 posts i dont like if they show compassion and kindness to others i like what they are saying.

norral

[Oldern]

OK boys and girls... now gather 'round. Do we see what happens when we try to send love to negative entities? Now... what have we learned?

Actually, sending love to negative entities worked out great!

It was just the discussion with those who didn't want to, that didn't.

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Yup. Looks like a great time was had by all.

I don't see the connection between something that Gemini Wolf experienced as part of his personal journey before a group meditation and the effects of said meditation.

Tenet has a different angle. He disliked this whole idea, as seen in the previous posts, and now he makes connections where there are little.

A group of people sending healing and positive intent to all around the world cannot be interpreted as someone feeling fear. Oh, wait, it can be.

(What a show, folks. What a show. These issues definitely need to be cleared up before any kind of "ascension" is about to take place. The fact that I cant resist to type this post shows that it riled me up as well. Thanks, Tenet, for that catalyst.

[Tenet Nosce]

He disliked this whole idea, as seen in the previous posts,

That is your projection. Now own it.

and now he makes connections where there are little.

If you think there is no connection between somebody reading about sending love to Lucifer, and then actually attempting it on their own and having a meltdown, then please pass the joint because I want some of what you are smoking!

A group of people sending healing and positive intent to all around the world cannot be interpreted as someone feeling fear.

Sending healing and positive intent to all is very different from directing it toward any specific entities. In particular, negative entities.

In fact, my original question was more along the lines of- Why not just send love to all and let it figure out where it needs to go?

Love is intelligent energy, remember? It does not require our direction.

Thanks, Tenet, for that catalyst.

You are welcome. Here is more catalyst for you: Why don't you stop being an ass?

Or at the very least, please stop writing on my behalf. Thanks.

[Oldern]

"Why don't you stop being an ass?"

"That is your projection. Now own it."

I do not feel like an ass. I am sorry if it is percieved that way.

[Monica]

If you think there is no connection between somebody reading about sending love to Lucifer, and then actually attempting it on their own and having a meltdown,

Like I said, I spoke with Gemini, and that's not what happened.

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Why don't you stop being an ass?

Weren't we just having a conversation about name calling?

[Tenet Nosce]

"Why don't you stop being an ass?"

"That is your projection. Now own it."

I do not feel like an ass. I am sorry if it is percieved that way.

The fact that I cant resist to type this post shows that it riled me up as well.

That would have been the evidence of ass-ness according to my fallible interpretation. It's not name calling, it's a behavior. As in- hey knock it off you goof! Everybody relax. Here... have a heart-smiley thingy!

My apologies about getting riled up about your getting riled up about me getting riled up about... wait I'm lost.

(Hey is anybody interested in having a group meditation in order to send me love? It might improve my attitude, and I would actually be greatly appreciative!)

[Monica]

It's not name calling, it's a behavior.

For purposes of enforcing forum guidelines, it's name calling. But thank you for the rest of your post which goes a long way towards lightening up.

(Hey is anybody interested in having a group meditation in order to send me love? It might improve my attitude, and I would actually be greatly appreciative!)

You got it!

[norral]

i think the last battle has become this thread which is kind of funny in a way i guess but not wanting to offend anyone its not funny at all

[Shin'Ar]

I think I must be missing something that is taking place within the meditation group that is not obvious on this thread.

So for the record nothing that I was offering with regard to Lucifer was meant to challenge or degrade the group's intentions.

My question was simply to understand, how the group, was managing to focus their intent, when it seemed that each had their own views of what or who Lucifer was.

to simply say 'let's have a group meditation and send love vibes to Lucifer', when there is no actual consensus nor understanding of what or who that is, left me wondering what the group was thinking in that regard.

Still left wondering actually, except for Cyan's input.

By the way Cyan, I think I may have alluded to you as female. That was because I thought you were for some reason. Thought I read that somewhere else in here.

[Brittany]

I explained in the original post of both this thread and the actual meditation thread that the group upon which focus is being directed is known by some as an aspect of Lucifer, as well as many other names. I even explained why I put Lucifer in the title of the meditation thread, but I'm starting to think no one actually read the entirety of the post. Realizing this, I should probably change the title.

I have studied the Lucifer archetype in depth and realize that this name has been associated with hundreds if not thousands of different concepts and faces. The meditation involves sending love to only one of these particular associations. If you don't want to include this particular group of individuals under the Lucifer umbrella because your perception of Lucifer is something entirely different, then by all means substitute whatever name you feel is appropriate, or use no name at all.

I also have absolutely no desire to debate which interpretation of Lucifer is "the right one." To me that's like asking which skin color is "the right one."

[SomaticDreams]

I would like to humbly add that my addition to the nightly meditation is only of radiating compassion in all directions outward. This energy may be 'attuned to' and 'focused' for some, but I do not discriminate as I do not think fitting compassion within any particular structure is necessary for useful work.

I believe some people here are assuming that compassion and love is finite, but it is most surely not. Love and compassion is infinite, and radiating it outwards will not reduce it if one person or people decide to focus it. Love would simply become, in a sense, topographical- where some of this energy may be stored into a massive mountain of energy, other areas may have valleys...

If we see love as this pervasive nexus or field, then 'strengthening' the connection or closing that gap in a large valley is very useful for all and any type of energy work.

In essence, any energy of love sent outwards, unconditionally is always useful and it's energy will always be 'picked up' or 'utilized'.

I hope this gives us all a way forward to communicate beyond words. It's good to remember that this density is not one of understanding. It is of learning to love unconditionally.

[Monica]

In my view, the best examples of Lucifer energies, as i perceive them here are Zen, Me, Shin'ar, *, off the top of my head(removed one entry and added better explanation of public figures to a later post).

To clarify: It had nothing to do with me being in the list. The list was unacceptable regardless of whose names were in it.

[BrownEye]

In my view, the best examples of Lucifer energies, as i perceive them here are Zen, Me, Shin'ar, *, off the top of my head

Whoa!!! I don't belong in that list!

This is a good example of how we focus on outer perception. By believing the "act" we think we know the individual.

If one was to see/know the energy system behind the act it would be easier to tell if the act was conscious or unconscious. A conscious act is to play a part sort of like a game. The unconscious act is the person acting out the imbalance of the energy system.

[Cyan]

I think I must be missing something that is taking place within the meditation group that is not obvious on this thread.

Hidden truths and inside jokes are the hallmark of the entity we discuss here, so, dont be surprised if such is the outcome of the discussions here, that those who generally rely on the open truth (which i marked in my list) will fall out of understanding what is being said due to them being considered "not the right people" to discuss things with and it very rapidly ends up as "this".

Thats why I leave this threads after I say what I want to say. The resulting blowing up is something I see very often when right hand path people start discussing left hand path people with both hand path people. It blows up. What we actually NEED in this thread is someone who is a HC luciferianist/satanist in the actual sense of the word and knows whats what in their religion and can have a "ask godwide" type thread "ask a satanist" and not one of those corny "ooh i'm an evil entity". I know a few guys who could do it but wouldnt see a purpose in answering questions due to this forum being of lesser vibratory spectrum than they are so it would constitute teaching and they dont, in general, like to partake in that. So we are left with discussing people who are not here, and that generally ends in bad outcomes, as most gossips and conspiracies against perceived darknesses often do. As I'm sure you are aware of.

So for the record nothing that I was offering with regard to Lucifer was meant to challenge or degrade the group's intentions.

My question was simply to understand, how the group, was managing to focus their intent, when it seemed that each had their own views of what or who Lucifer was.

They werent, at least in public, thats why this thread is such a clusterheck, and the other thread too. And the reason I bowed out of the discussion in this and the other thread and had to do the discussion in the astral from me to their higher selves and leave it at that.

to simply say 'let's have a group meditation and send love vibes to Lucifer', when there is no actual consensus nor understanding of what or who that is, left me wondering what the group was thinking in that regard.

Yup.

Still left wondering actually, except for Cyan's input.

Why thank you, I try to have a clear cut understanding or opinion on things i consider "dangerous" or "potentially difficult" and so on, while having less to no understanding of good things. Thats why I reserve the light for stuff that is dark, and love for the stuff that is light. That is why much of my understanding is dark, but much of my interactions is light.

By the way Cyan, I think I may have alluded to you as female. That was because I thought you were for some reason. Thought I read that somewhere else in here.

Many people here do due to my seeming balance and ability to transition seamlessly between my astral female self and my physical male self. I consider it interesting that so many see me instinctivly as a female. And see no trouble with it. The actual story of why I have such a distinctly femine energies in the astral is a long and interesting story that I will post here one day. It has to do with a computer game saga that i played for almost half a decade and then got into writing and imagining in the astral, then fell in love with one of the chars, then projected that char into reality and all kinds of weird butt things.

Anyway, long of it is, the game char died at the end and transitioned into a symbiosis of machine/god which I then used to transition through into a machine/god/me through my astral self which is the moment i made the decicion in the char that I would die, which is the same decicion I made in reality that I would die for it. And so on.

All in all, yes, my astral self is almost certainly a female at the moment at least while my physical self is almost certainly a male. So I take no offence at it and consider it a nice detail.

One day I might engage you in the story about how it happened from my perspective. The Mass Effect trilogy has a sizable portion to play in it

[Shin'Ar]

I explained in the original post of both this thread and the actual meditation thread that the group upon which focus is being directed is known by some as an aspect of Lucifer, as well as many other names. I even explained why I put Lucifer in the title of the meditation thread, but I'm starting to think no one actually read the entirety of the post. Realizing this, I should probably change the title.

I have studied the Lucifer archetype in depth and realize that this name has been associated with hundreds if not thousands of different concepts and faces. The meditation involves sending love to only one of these particular associations. If you don't want to include this particular group of individuals under the Lucifer umbrella because your perception of Lucifer is something entirely different, then by all means substitute whatever name you feel is appropriate, or use no name at all.

I also have absolutely no desire to debate which interpretation of Lucifer is "the right one." To me that's like asking which skin color is "the right one."

Wasn't a matter of debate.

The question I had was how does a 'group' mange the intent process of connection, when various members have various ideas of what or who is being considered as Lucifer?

My understandings have been made known. As have yours and others.

And as you noted there are many misconceptions as well as interpretations.

My question was how do you gather in an attempt to send love toward a focus of intent, when that focus might mean so many different things within the group?

Or is it agreed upon by the group from the start exactly what concepts and interpretations fall into a guideline of the majority of thought?

I just find it very curious that a group can gather, agree that they want to send positive thoughts to Lucifer, without considering the many variations you clearly denoted.

It is one of those circumstances where meanings and nomenclature play a key role in the focusing of intent.

But maybe you don't agree with that thinking.

[hogey11]

I think what matters most is the intention in which we send love and light to any entity, whether we're talking Lucifer or any other.

I think what's most important is to send them love and light with clear intention. For myself, I have no problem sending Lucifer love and light, but the intention I will send it with is one of both non-compliance and forgiveness.

If the attitude is "Oh Lucifer, I send you love and light in whatever desires and actions you choose!", I think that could be dangerous.

For me, i'd rather the intention be "Oh Lucifer, you're a bastard, but I love you anyways because I know this is all what is best. I love you and forgive you, but as soon as this cycle is over, please get out of my house as soon as possible! You're obstructing the way to where we need to go soon." (yes, this viewpoint is filtered through my personal biases )

Truthfully, I don't really know what i'm talking about, so feel free to ignore me if i'm missing the point, but I think what one side is saying is 'be careful not to lose progress' while the other is saying 'let go of fear and just love unconditionally'. A balance of both viewpoints is probably most healthy. I also think it is wise to question what exact purpose this sending of love/light is trying to achieve. We have to be careful to actually be focusing and spending time on things that are applicable to the here and now. In the face of the ending 3D cycle, a spirit of compassion and forgiveness is definitely called for towards those who participated in that catalyst. Wishing for them to 'succeed' in this way could be helpful. However, we have to be careful not to be manipulated into having our intentions twisted away from our original targets. I would assume this is done through focus of will; we have to know what we are wishing upon them before we flippantly go and do so.

If these things are considered and balanced, I can definitely see the point of such an exercise. It's just one that should be done with care, imo...

[Monica]

What we actually NEED in this thread is someone who is a HC luciferianist/satanist in the actual sense of the word and knows whats what in their religion and can have a "ask godwide" type thread "ask a satanist" and not one of those corny "ooh i'm an evil entity". I know a few guys who could do it but wouldnt see a purpose in answering questions due to this forum being of lesser vibratory spectrum than they are

Ra is biased to STO. This forum is biased to STO. The purpose of this forum is to provide a place for STO seekers to study the Law of One. It's not our purpose to be all things to all people. Nor is it our purpose to accommodate those of the STS path.

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The question I had was how does a 'group' mange the intent process of connection, when various members have various ideas of what or who is being considered as Lucifer?

Lynn removed the name Lucifer. The name is unimportant. The group is in alignment. We aren't trying to synchronize on a name.

[Cyan]

What we actually NEED in this thread is someone who is a HC luciferianist/satanist in the actual sense of the word and knows whats what in their religion and can have a "ask godwide" type thread "ask a satanist" and not one of those corny "ooh i'm an evil entity". I know a few guys who could do it but wouldnt see a purpose in answering questions due to this forum being of lesser vibratory spectrum than they are

Ra is biased to STO. This forum is biased to STO. The purpose of this forum is to provide a place for STO seekers to study the Law of One. It's not our purpose to be all things to all people. Nor is it our purpose to accommodate those of the STS path.

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The question I had was how does a 'group' mange the intent process of connection, when various members have various ideas of what or who is being considered as Lucifer?

Lynn removed the name Lucifer. The name is unimportant. The group is in alignment. We aren't trying to synchronize on a name.

Oh, so are saying that I must change my thought processes to be prejudiced towards a group of people based on religious belief, how enligthened of you, please tell me more about how you're STO.