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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters Is realizing the same as experiencing?

    Thread: Is realizing the same as experiencing?


    AnthroHeart (Offline)

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    06-13-2014, 06:01 PM (This post was last modified: 06-13-2014, 06:16 PM by AnthroHeart.)
    Take unity for example, is realizing unity the same as experiencing it?

    Semantically, is realization the same as experiencing? Or can we realize something without experiencing it? Or do we experience first and then realize it once it's made conscious?
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    06-13-2014, 11:32 PM
    I'm not big on semantics, but I would say you experience unity as love, acceptance, appreciation, joy, and other equivalent and similar approximations of positivity. But to "realize" unity, is to go beyond experiencing, and become it by dissolving the illusions that seemingly camoflauge it.

    One is from the outside looking in, and the other is from the inside looking out.

    To "realize unity" the experiencer has to be trancended altogether, because oneness is not an "experience", but instead, goes beyond "experiencer" and "experienced" (mind and matter), and is just "experiencingness" or "beingness".
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    06-13-2014, 11:48 PM (This post was last modified: 06-14-2014, 02:47 AM by isis.)
    (06-13-2014, 06:01 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Take unity for example, is realizing unity the same as experiencing it?
    I guess it could be.

    (06-13-2014, 06:01 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Semantically, is realization the same as experiencing? Or can we realize something without experiencing it? Or do we experience first and then realize it once it's made conscious?

    Realizing is not the same as experiencing but it can be, once in a blue moon, I'm thinking.

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    06-14-2014, 01:11 AM (This post was last modified: 06-14-2014, 01:34 AM by Adonai One.)
    Yes, if you actually realize unity. If your realization of unity is as far as seeing the Big Bang as the source of all consciousness, then I do not believe you have properly realized it.

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    06-14-2014, 05:55 AM
    Here is an experiential realisation of unity, noted by his statement "...I cannot see any separations" (2.40mins).

    The realisation lies in the sensation, not in the conceptualisation.

    I believe your latter query to be correct Gemini.

    PS. I am not promoting the method by which the man in this video has come to 'realise' unity, but merely to point out what I perceive to be an 'experiential' example of true green ray activation or radiance.

    Ra termed intelligent energy (love) as the great universal healer and a realisation of unity (universal love, or love of all)
    I would suggest invokes an inpouring of this energy.

    Session 75, Q 35: Ra: I am Ra. Any entity may at any time instantaneously clear and balance its energy centers. Thus in many cases those normally quite blocked, weakened, and distorted may, through love and strength of will, become healers momentarily.

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    06-14-2014, 08:21 AM
    nio, could you post the video?

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    06-14-2014, 09:13 AM
    (06-13-2014, 06:01 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Take unity for example, is realizing unity the same as experiencing it?

    Semantically, is realization the same as experiencing? Or can we realize something without experiencing it? Or do we experience first and then realize it once it's made conscious?

    May be speaking to the subject, GW --

    Quote:42.2 Questioner: I will just read it very rapidly the question, then.

    I am going to make a statement and ask you to comment on its degree of accuracy. I am assuming that the balanced entity would not be swayed either towards positive or negative emotions by any situation which he might confront. By remaining unemotional in any situation, the balanced entity may clearly discern the appropriate and necessary responses in harmony with the Law of One for each situation.

    Most entities on our planet find themselves unconsciously caught up into every emotional situation which they come in contact with according to their own unique biases and because of these biases are unable to see clearly teach/learning opportunities and appropriate response in each emotional situation and must therefore, through a process of much trial and error and enduring of resulting pain repeat such situations many many times until they become consciously aware of the need to balance their energy centers and thusly their responses and behaviors. Once a person becomes consciously aware of the need to balance their energy centers and responses the next step is to allow the appropriately positive or negative responses to emotional situations to flow smoothly through their being without retaining any of the emotional coloration after it has been consciously observed and allowed to flow through the being. And I am assuming that this ability to consciously observe the positively or negatively charged energy flowing through the being may be augmented by practice of the balancing exercises you have given us with the result in balance being achieved for the entity which would allow him to remain unemotional and undistorted in regards to the Law of One in any situation much like the objective viewer of the television movie.

    Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is an incorrect application of the balancing which we have discussed. The exercise of first experiencing feelings and then consciously discovering their antitheses within the being has as its objective not the smooth flow of feelings both positive and negative while remaining unswayed but rather the objective of becoming unswayed. This is a simpler result and takes much practice, shall we say.

    The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.

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    06-19-2014, 01:23 AM
    Seems to me that 'realization' is an intellectual process. The concept of unity is so mind-bogglingly simple that it cannot fully be comprehended by the intellect. 'Experience' however, may be one of the few semantic free-for-alls applied to describe things beyond the ability of our language or intellect to identify.
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    06-20-2014, 12:35 AM (This post was last modified: 06-20-2014, 12:36 AM by Realtime.)
    Realisation is an apex of/within experience.

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