What are the Boundaries of FREE WILL?

[Plenum]

the following is a straight out REPOST of

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...7#pid15157

the words below are those of CYCLOPS, and his interpretation and collation of various thoughts from Q"UO regards the nature of FREE WILL.

it was buried in another thread and is much to valuable not to see the light of day.

everything below is the repost.

regards.

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This is a very tricky subject because it has many layers which we can look at in trying to understand it. It is in my belief that free will has it's manifestation as the spiritual evolution of beings through the creation.

Here we have a quick background on the overview and function of free will which allows the creator to know itself through choices in illusions and unknowing.
Q'uo Sunday Meditation November 5, 2000

However, there are quanta, or heartbeats, in which the Creator’s knowledge of Itself is rendered open to alteration by the self-aware entities which are principles of the Creator, choosing by their free will to gather information and to process it in such and such a manner. And this the Creator can never know ahead of time and does not wish to know ahead of time. It is an important principle to the Creator: that Its portions that have been offered this background of densities and illusions have complete free will in looking at the creation around It, and responding to it, and in making those responses into a process of change, metamorphosis, and transformation of a certain kind. For each choice that each self-aware entity makes creates new possibilities, new patterns, and new potential choices that may add to the Creator’s experience of Itself.

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They say here a being may feel isolated and ready to burst when it feels it has something that can teach someone of a new awareness, it would then consider doing it forcefully or do it forcefully without knowing it, this revolves around service to self in someways as seen here. There is the what is termed to be a more balanced way which is to drop a seed with detachment to the outcome which allows free will to be preserved only when that situation is called.
Q'uo Saturday Meditation September 12, 2009

Part of your question, my friends, had to do with the situation in which you are attempting to share ideas and philosophy that you feel are very helpful. There is a concern that, as you attempt to share this information with others, you may be infringing upon their free will, since they have not perhaps asked for this specific service. You are concerned that there may be a blockage in the energy body.

Now, we cannot give a general answer because of the fact that every entity seeking to share what he loves dearly goes about it in a unique way. Therefore, we can only say what tends to be true. It tends to be true that if information has not been requested, the compassionate course is to refrain from offering it. It is very difficult to feel so isolated when you have such treasure to offer people. And when you are on fire with the excitement of finding this new information that has helped you, you simply want to give everyone around you the same good experience that you have had. It can come as a crushing blow to discover that virtually no one in your circle of family and friends is presently interested in sharing what it is that you know.

If you persist in, as this instrument would say “buttonholing people” and giving them your information, then you are definitely involved in service to self rather than service to others. This is because of the primal nature of free will.

However, if you are moving, not from the level of person-to-person but from the level of soul-to-soul and you have an opportunity to share a key idea or principle that you find useful, you are free of imbalance if you offer this information without concern or attachment for the outcome of this offering.

In the one case, when you are buttonholing someone, you are pushing that entity and you are indeed creating a blockage at the yellow ray. You are not creating a blockage at blue ray. If there is blockage, blue ray will not function. When you are blocked, you are always blocked in the first three chakras, or possibly the first four. And when you are impressing your will upon another, that is a yellow-ray blockage.

However, if you simply see an opportunity to drop a seed of thought and you have no interest in whether or not it is received well or not, then it is appropriate. Then there is no ripple in the calmness of the energy body, no balance is disturbed, and all is well.

The concept of seeing the other self as the self and how each entity works internally alone on it's free will. Would you want someone to infringe on your free will?
Q'uo Sunday Meditation May 4, 2003

Now this translates into rethinking the nature of service from a doing to a being. That which is done unto another is subject to the rules of free will. It is not well to infringe upon the free will of another. It is not well to criticize or judge another. It is not necessary in any case to do these things. Yet, there is the drive to serve that is or becomes a frustration for one who is having difficulty shifting back and forth between the world of appearances and actions, and the world of essences, energies and intentions. We would say then, focusing into service, that the heart of service is the full acceptance, respect and honoring of other-self as the self, and treating other-self as the self is treated. Within each entity’s progress in evolution in mind, body and spirit, there needs to be careful and continuing attention given to the working with the self alone. Wherever an entity sees damage elsewhere, no matter how clearly that energy is another entity’s, a key to working out this quandary of service and its appropriate nature is to do the work upon the self that the entity would wish to do upon the other-self.

Infringement of free will and karma.
Guidance system of David Wilcock Sunday Meditation February 9, 2003

Given this construct of free will as being the overarching support structure through which your game is being played, it is wise to then understand that you are in a system of causes and effects that has a very discrete motivating purpose, regardless of whether or not you are conscious of it. This system of free will shall be preserved. It has been said in the Law of One material that you are free to have any experience that you desire. It is only when these experiences begin to infringe on the free will of another that you then would experience those balancing acts that would manifest into your physical sphere, so as to offset the energetic disruption in the harmonics of your field and in the fields of others that had been produced.

We say again, therefore, that these underlying support structures of free will, or that which was termed as the first distortion of the Law of One [8], gives that which does inform faith, and does inform experience. If you can understand how important it is not to infringe on others, you then have the game of karma understood, and never again will you have to experience those balancing acts where you are once again brought back to that undifferentiated state of unity by having those karmic events occur.

Even as you do this unto others, so are you doing it to yourself. Thus there is that parable in the Bible:

LsavedSmeD had spoken about this where one can offer his service when asked a question or when asked in general and why it is a more balanced way.
Latwii Sunday Meditation December 20, 1981

A: Only a question as to whenever answering there is the free will. How do you know when you’re going against someone’s free will?

I am Latwii, and am aware of your question, my sister. We might say in this regard that as you come into contact with those who request your assistance you do not violate their free will by responding to their requests, for, whatever your response, they are always free to refuse your assistance, for there is nothing special about any entity within this illusion in relation to any other entity which would make any entity believe that which another offers as assistance. There is little chance of infringing upon the free will of another self if you respond to their requests for assistance and do not offer, without the request for assistance, aid which is not sought.

Here we have what may be seen as proper techniques for a teacher who knows that this harvest is the not the end or doom for those who are asleep.
Q'uo Saturday Meditation September 26, 2009

My brother, the spiritual principle involved in helping people become aware of the difference between service-to-others information and service-to-self information is that principle known as the Law of Confusion or free will.

The first distortion [1] is all-important when one is attempting to be of service to others. If entities have not asked for your service, then we would ask you, as one who wishes to serve, if there is an overriding reason why other entities’ sleep must be disturbed.

If there were only this lifetime and only this graduation, then perhaps we might agree that everyone should be shaken by the throat and told to wake up. However, there is all the time in the creation for entities to progress. While it is true that you now are at a time of graduation, a time of harvest, we would suggest that there shall be other harvests; there shall be other graduations. If a seeker needs to repeat third density, needs to repeat third grade, shall we say, in the school of souls, that is not a tragedy nor is it anything of which to be ashamed. Each entity shall progress. Each entity shall one day have accomplished every lesson, have satisfied every desire, and shall return to the one infinite Creator.

The principle of free will means that each entity gets to choose his rate of progress. When an entity such as yourself, who is so eager to progress and so diligent in seeking, comes across misunderstanding and misapprehended principles, it is a great temptation, or catalyst, shall we say, to set people right according to the way you think. And we do not say that the way you think is incorrect. We only say that the overriding principle here is free will.

We would suggest two things. Firstly, if an entity asks for your opinion, we encourage you to make maximal use of the opportunity to share the love and the light of the one Creator in ways that seem good to you.

Secondly, when entities are not asking you for your opinion or for your help, yet are engaging you in conversation, we would encourage you, as we often have before through this instrument, to be a Johnny Appleseed of spiritual thought. When you see an opening, toss some seeds of thought upon the ground of their attention. Perhaps they shall take root. Perhaps not. But you are doing your best for your brothers and sisters when you create opportunities to drop seeds.

We only encourage you then to have no attachment to the outcome. Do not look behind you to see if the seeds have taken root or if the wind has blown them away. That is not your concern. Your concern is to stay in the present moment with an open heart and a readiness to console, encourage, support and love all brothers and sisters in the tribe of humankind, seeing them at the soul level and affirming that they too are the Creator as you are.

Q'uo Special Meditation July 7, 2006

The first distortion of the Creator’s universe is free will. In considering how to handle situations with your students, recall that principle and attempt to apply it to the situation at hand. All entities are deserving of respect, and their rights are in your hands. See what you can do to maximize their experience of personal freedom without minimizing your experience of a comfort zone for yourself and for the whole class.

How no one other than yourself is responsible for your path, and when one thinks he knows what is best for another he is satisfying his needs not the others.
Q'uo Sunday Meditation April 12, 1992

One cannot work for another or change another, for that is neither appropriate nor possible. Each entity lives a life which is generated from those patterns of perception and experience that have been gained over the entire period of that life and, indeed, which have been set in motion by choices made prior to the incarnative experience. The free will of each entity is paramount in the pursuing of the life pattern and in the attempt to alter or transform that pattern in the desired fashion.

When one sees another that is close to one’s experience, and, indeed, may be an integral part of the life pattern, and one wishes to offer the greatest assistance to that entity, we would suggest that one begin from a point of view that is as filled with compassion as is possible, so that understanding and support for the entity and the experience in all of its ramifications may be given without qualification. To give this kind of unconditional support provides the free and open reach for the entity seeking change and transformation and does not provide any other obstacle for this transformation, other than those that the entity may find within itself.

If one attempts to tinker, shall we say, with this process that is internal for the other entity, it is more likely that there will be the interference that becomes as the stumbling block where the desire to aid the other may become distorted into becoming a desire to change the entity in a fashion which meets your needs rather than the other entity’s needs.

Thus, to provide the atmosphere and the freedom for the other entity’s free will to operate is the greatest aid one can be in this situation.

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Temptations of wanting an outcome or reaction when offering service and how a detached sense of service preserves free will.
Q'uo Sunday Meditation October 8, 2006

And lastly, we would agree with you that the basic drive towards evolution lies within one. The seeker will, without any prompting whatsoever, eventually come across every piece of information and inspiration that he needs. It is, however, a service to others to keep an ear out for times when you feel that someone has a need concerning which you may offer a helpful thought. It is not an infringement on free will for you to share ideas when asked, it is only inappropriate to expect entities to respond to your thoughts in any particular way. There is a way for everyone and certainly not the same way for any two people.

R: I thank you for that. I think what you are saying is that I have taken something that has been true for me and I try to extrapolate it for a large group, which is not necessarily helpful unless you consider the law of free will and lack of expectation as to how the others would react. Is that correct?

We are those of Q’uo, and that is correct, my brother.

Q'uo January 9, 2006 Special Meditation

but also the wanderers among this group have an extended family from their home planet that also have, if they can lean into it and believe it, the support and the encouragement even of those wanderers who are still asleep. For you are connected in other densities.

Can you wake them up? It is not your place. Can you offer seeds? It is your place. Offering seeds does not infringe upon free will. You may scatter the seeds of thought freely without being concerned that you are infringing upon free will. The essence of sowing the seed is to cast it to the wind, not being concerned at all about where it lands or how it grows.

Excerpt about unconditional service and how detachment from both success and failure shall allow one to move more freely.
Q'uo Sunday Meditation, July 20, 1986

It is a good thing to desire peace and to wish to serve in love, yet we encourage you to consider the possibility of remaining detached from solutions. When one wants a solution or outcome, when one thinks one has a right answer, one is often pulled away from the one original Thought of love and finds it difficult to allow other solutions, outcomes or answers to be in the end chosen by others. Yet it does not matter what the result of your service is, in terms of your own growth and learning; spiritually speaking, it is important only that your pure desire was to serve. It is, of course, helpful if one uses the tools available to one in order to refine
techniques of service so that they are as effective as possible. However, free will is so important a concept that if a service is abrogated, refused or
denied, it should be as acceptable to the one who serves as the alternate outcome, that is, that one’s service is accepted, enjoyed and in terms of the illusion, successfully manifested. May you love each other, my friends, in joy and without demand insofar as it is possible on your end.
To paraphrase one of your holy works, “Live at peace with all other selves.” You are not responsible for them, but for yourself. When it is not possible toinfluence others to say they are at peace with you, it is always possible to become peaceful within yourself with others. Do you demand to change the world, or do you ask of yourself that you become more and more one
with the original Thought of creation? We suggest to you that the latter course is profitable. As you love each other, and as you love the one infinite Creator, so we love you, and so we love the one infinite Creator.

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This last portion involves wanderers and the bearing of witness or internal work versus external work which might confuse and infringe upon the free will of others.
Q'uo Sunday Meditation May 22, 1994

Therefore, the life may be seen to be full of everyday matters, yet offer ample time and space for the spiritual vocation to which wanderers have called themselves, that of bearing witness.

And how does a wanderer bear this witness? It might seem that witnesses are best when they are expressing by words that witness to which they hew, yet this actually is not so. Rather, wanderers may best bear witness by being most fully themselves, for it is the basic vibratory complex carried in the violet ray by each wanderer that is witness by its very essence. Therefore, the wanderer’s job in everyday affairs is to keep the channel of selfhood and essence clean, clear and pellucid. This is in many ways a passive spiritual vocation. It is easier to make the mistake of attempting to speak this witness and not being understood or of service than to refrain from some activity and, therefore, fail to bear witness.

The planetary consciousness is drinking in your essence. It is lightening the planetary vibration and is acting as an ameliorator of birth pangs within the planet itself and within the great congregation of entities which now approach your millennium. Inconvenient and difficult times beckon. Within these confusing times the silent witness of being shall more and more be needed as the planet reaches for a new point of balance.

It would seem to me that there is utter free will which allows one to attempt to infringe on anyone and do what one pleases, yet with this there is the hallmark of service to self which doesn't bring the view of other unique evolutionary paths in which the creator knows itself through other-selves. Free will thus to me is without polarity for it allows an infinite choice where a being can respond to anything, yet there are sectors of a sort which one chooses to follow which allows it to gain polarization through a unique chosen path by the creator which is all beings knowing themselves. It seems to allow unpolarized, positive and negative choices in infinite arrays which all have their own outcomes to be explored which allows one to gain or lose polarity in any chosen polarity or to be unpolarized.

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namaste

[abstrktion]

I need to sit and read this over very thoroughly. This is a great topic and extremely useful to me right now. Thank you once again Plenum!

[Plenum]

thanks abstrktion.

I thought this quote was particularly telling:

If you can understand how important it is not to infringe on others, you then have the game of karma understood, and never again will you have to experience those balancing acts where you are once again brought back to that undifferentiated state of unity by having those karmic events occur.

it is almost as though if you can understand the First Distortion, that of Free Will, then you can undo it, and return to Unity, because the first distortion is the one that causes/creates all the others.

Of course, looking at all the Times that the Law of Free Will/Confusion is invoked in the Ra material, and just glancing through the subtleties in the above quotations will give you a grand sense of how deep this First Principle is. Especially when it comes to applying it in the 3d world where we are operating under a heavy veil (not really KNOWING the thoughts of others, but only surmising) so we are fumbling around with incomplete knowledge of the situation at hand.

so to act with Service, with Wisdom, and also full respect for Free Will ... this is a balancing act/ratio that must be fine tuned for almost every word and action that we perform. And how many choices to we make in a day with respect to other individuals? SO MANY!

so understanding Free Will, its boundaries, its permutations, how 'close' we can get without infringing (as Ra did many times in attempts to offer information that would be helpful to the sustained operation of the channeling group), this is hard yakka!

thanks as always; I find your tuning at a very high level, and I can almost always write a long post in reply to yours

plenum

[Steppingfeet]

Plenum, you are such an engine of good discussion on the forums. So many great thread starters. Wish I had the time to dive in for discussion! (In your threads and so many others on the forums.)

: ) GLB

[Jerome]

Thanks for posting this Plenum, reading it has been relaxing.

I'll go out and live life and scramble myself up, come back in a week and read it again and relax. So at least twice, thanks.

[Plenum]

Another question I have been asking myself is:

* where have I infringed the Free Will of another

and maybe even more profound:

* where have I infringed the Free Will of myself?

[Ankh]

Free Will perhaps is a realization that each has its own unique path of walking, and acceptance of that path as being of infinite worth. Each is the Creator, and Creator wants to know Itself.

Perhaps the *boundaries* that exist in regards to Free Will, are what we experience in third and probably at some extent fourth density. For instance, when service to others oriented entities, say: "No I will not accept that you kill this or that child, or rape this or that woman" is depolarizing. I think that acceptance of its own way of beingness in this matter is important. Acceptance that one will loose some of its own polarity when stopping another entity who wants to express itself in the way that this entity desires, like murdering, raping etc., because one believes something. Heck, even Ra had some losses of their polarity by only answering the questions.

[godwide_void]

Know ye the future is never in fixation but
follows man's free will as it moves through
the movements of time-space toward
the goal where a new time begins.

I am inclined to agree with the above sentiments of my peers, you've done it again plenum! This is yet another treasure trove of a thread which has deeply moved me, evoked tremendous insight and greater understanding in me, and has spoken to my soul at the exact time when I truly needed to come across these particular words on this exact topic. You have my deepest gratitude, my friend.