childhood experience, (channeling of some sort?)

[Glow]

So I have been thinking about asking this a while. My higherself is silent on this so I assume that is so I will ask here.

This experience happened almost constantly as a kid, almost like focusing your eyes, and unforcusing them, my default was to hear a "pre echo" of what other people said(rather were going to say) anytime I relaxed. Some times were worse than others. There were times it didn't happen but it was pretty much daily for a long time to the point I thought it was a weakness or disability.

Kinda like focusing your eyes by squinting I could get it to go away (I honestly don't remember how) but when I relaxed again I would get the "pre echo".

I had REALLY bad eyesight as a kid so thought this was like that and just never mentioned it. Till now, to anyone. It has happened 2 or 3 times this year just 3-4 few words then I guess I "squint" and it goes away. It happened yesterday.

I saw spirits all the time as a kid so I may have been a bit more open than is standard, generally consensus is kids seeing spirits isn't very normal, not terribly uncommon either.

This I have no idea if there is a consensus, I mean I am not going to even ask in real life if that was normal because I don't think people would admit it. Here better chance.

So did other kids experience this? Is this normal and we shut it off? I shut off the spirit seeing at 13 after I thought 1 lied to me. I hadn't heard of reincarnation or soul family so turns out it didn't lie, I haven't figured out how to willingly turn either back on.

Is this a type of channeling though? I would hear whole conversations with "pre-echo" it was just normal though more than a little irritating. The ones this year have been tv I just hear the words in my head before the TV people say it.

So if this is a type of channeling what would I have been connecting to? collective unconscious?

I honestly feel a bit dumb even asking this because I don't see how this could be channeling but what else could it be?

Also no I haven't read Carla's book on channeling, or any others, maybe I should, honestly I don't think I would be very good at it. My logical mind is a major doubting Debbie.

Kind of hoping it's normal, I think I was honestly a bit uncomfortable with it even yesterday when it happened, the childs shame. ok pressing send.

(ps it's a funny piece of inner shadow that even here where I know we are an unusual bunch admitting this feels like telling you all I have a weird disability. It's the little girl's secret I guess)  

[flofrog]

This is funny Glow...  I experience that pre-echo thingie with noise. For example  in the street if there’s a car which tail pipe is going to have an explosion I pre- hear it. Or if there’s a generator on for a street work which is going to stop, I know it’s going to be silent.  It happens quite often but,... I am not a child . And it happens rarely with words. I think I am just more specified for engines

[Glow]

lol I love that! And I never really thought of it happening in other ways.

I imagine the machine noises would be even a bit more grating in pre echo. The speaking always gave me a low grade headache if it went on long enough, but breaks squeaking or backfiring engines could be pretty head ache inducing too.

I love the "knowing it's going to go silent" thing though. That is pretty cool!!

so is it a time glitch or? I am so glad someone could relate to the pre echo.

The subconscious little girl feels less embarrassed, if Flo can relate.

PS I also love that you didn't stifle it or shut it off.
Imagine you hearing pre-echo noises and me hearing pre-echo voices.
The two of us together would have been extra noisy. Twice the noise!

[zedro]

...
This experience happened almost constantly as a kid, almost like focusing your eyes, and unforcusing them, my default was to hear a "pre echo" of what other people said(rather were going to say) anytime I relaxed.
...

... I shut off the spirit seeing at 13 after I thought 1 lied to me. I hadn't heard of reincarnation or soul family so turns out it didn't lie, I haven't figured out how to willingly turn either back on...

The first part: I don't think this is channeling, but rather pre-cognition (an aspect of clairvoyance). Now is it time bending or being in tuned in with conscious states (or are those even separate things) I'm not sure. (Edit: I hesitated to bring up the Déjà Vu aspect, but MFs post below does convey that aspect...it's hard to be precise about these things)

2nd part: yeah that sucks doesn't it, the fact that it got shut down most likely meant it was from positive sources, since they do not want to cause negative feelings. Something similar happened to me recently, where I felt my lower body was being energetically worked on in bed. I experienced a kundalini type feeling, but it startled me and I suddenly got paranoid that it was something bad that was happening (this thought was obviously suggested to me as a form of interference). Well the work immediately stopped (at least my perception of it) because of the induced fear response. If it was infact negatives, I would expect the process to continue, like when I get sleep paralysis episodes that I need to struggle out of.

As to how to get things going again? Well maybe the experience was only meant to be temporary to at least ground in the idea of these possibilities to be manifested in full at a later date. All we can do is continue working on ourselves and apply self care, and I believe our toolsets will one day be put to use when we and the world is ready. The fact that our guides/higher selves are silent on certain matters certainly indicates a greater plan to be 'strategically' revealed.

[meadow-foreigner]

From what I've understood of the OP, this seems like a dissociation of some sort: the physical effect is but the consequence of a spiritual cause.

[Glow]

The first part: I don't think this is channeling, but rather pre-cognition (an aspect of clairvoyance). Now is it time bending or being in tuned in with conscious states (or are those even separate things) I'm not sure. (Edit: I hesitated to bring up the Déjà Vu aspect, but MFs post below does convey that aspect...it's hard to be precise about these things)

I am thinking you are onto something with consciousness states. I have had experiences of precognition of longer time frames and clairvoyance but this felt/feels different from those.

I am starting to think sharing it, and dealing with the old embarrassment was really why my higherself was so silent, as in the last hour I heard "transpiritual state" and was shown another experience I have had several times over the last 8 years that is apparently linked.

I can't word it exactly at the moment but it is some sort of shift from "i" to I. I will take some time to go listen tonight but thank you for your words as I didn't get the message till after this thread was formed and had replies so I assume that was needed.

2nd part: yeah that sucks doesn't it, the fact that it got shut down most likely meant it was from positive sources, since they do not want to cause negative feelings. Something similar happened to me recently, where I felt my lower body was being energetically worked on in bed. I experienced a kundalini type feeling, but it startled me and I suddenly got paranoid that it was something bad that was happening (this thought was obviously suggested to me as a form of interference). Well the work immediately stopped (at least my perception of it) because of the induced fear response. If it was infact negatives, I would expect the process to continue, like when I get sleep paralysis episodes that I need to struggle out of.

As to how to get things going again? Well maybe the experience was only meant to be temporary to at least ground in the idea of these possibilities to be manifested in full at a later date. All we can do is continue working on ourselves and apply self care, and I believe our toolsets will one day be put to use when we and the world is ready. The fact that our guides/higher selves are silent on certain matters certainly indicates a greater plan to be 'strategically' revealed.

Yes definitely positive. Funny even ones I was sure in my teens had been negative with hind sight I see now they were positive. Fear is one heck of a filter and the time of blocking occurred the first year I attended a religious school that was very devil/demon indoctrinating.

Thankfully they(my team) are working on unblocking some stuff.

They started trying again about 8 0r 9 years ago but I was so freaked out I asked them to stop. They did. A few years passed and now little by very very little tiny steps are being made.

It is like you say those inadvertent reactions, split second impulses that pull you out of the awareness. I am being "desensitized" systematically but gosh I can be slow to make leaps even when my conscious mind is totally into it.  

I agree though. Generally there is a plan regarding the inquiry when they don't comment.
Thanks so much!

[Glow]

From what I've understood of the OP, this seems like a dissociation of some sort: the physical effect is but the consequence of a spiritual cause.

Thanks Meadow Foreigner,

I feel like that word sort of has lost meaning to me as I can never really tell which way it is being used.

Some use it to mean it as a clinical term, a coping mechanism from trauma where you "disassociate from reality" obviously not a happy time

Other times and including in the Ra material it's a good thing and part of becoming transparent to infinity.

80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?

Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.

80.12 Questioner: Then you say that this effect of disassociation on the service-to-others adept is a stumbling block or slowing process in reaching that goal which he aspires to? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.

I would say it may have been the start of building blocks to the later, since the new information I have been given which link it to an experience with more dramatic results.

It probably is vital that word was brought up though as when I have had the linked experiences where Ii was out of my body and another(soul) spoke through me I had shame telling people about them as I knew it would be regarded as disassociation in a negative way.

Embarrassment/shame is a very strong blockage so it most likely was why I was supposed to broach this publicly. Face the shadow, heal the block.

Thank you for playing your part, and sharing your light.

[zedro]

Unfortunately sensitives tend to get a 'healthy' dose of fear programming to counteract the good they will enact with their gifts, it's all part of the game. I believe that our higher selves accept this as necessary, for both karmic reasons (parity in this realm) and to develop some resiliency.

[jafar]

Such capability ('seeing', 'hearing', 'feeling' things / spirit) is commonly normal.
Actually everyone has such capability, they just do not focus their attention to it, during their wakeful state.
Every living human being is basically a spirit 'inside' a human body, in the same manner as every web forum avatar is human consciousness inside a web forum avatar.

Thus you do not need to worry about your 'normality'.

Everyone have 'spiritual senses' but how the physical mind 'interpret' the signal coming from physical senses might vary, when one in fully conscious / wakeful state.
Some might visually see, thus the signal coming from the eyes and 'spiritual eyes' / 'third eye' is being mixed into one channel. One saw it as two things overlaying each other, a usually 'transparent figure' with background of signal coming from physical eyes.

Some others do not, but he/she get a 'feeling' of a presence like there's 'something' / 'somebody' there.

And it's also common to find, when two or more people who 'visually see', the 'transparent figure' that they see have different appearances, each are having their own 'perception' of what they saw from 'non physical eye', while they have agreement on what they see from their physical eyes.

Some might hear, thus the signal coming from the ear and 'spiritual antenna' is being mixed into one channel.

Some others do not, but he/she get a 'thought' that contain the message being sent.
In which sometimes this can be more 'powerful / immersive experience'.

It might be interesting for you to test this with a person where you don't speak or understand his/her language.
Can you hear his/her thought?
If yes in what language?

Because if it's truly 'spiritual communication', language is not a barrier at all.
You might hear it as if they're talking in English, or any other language that you're comfortable with.

And this 'communication' can also be done not only between human, but with animals or even plants as well.

[Glow]

Such capability ('seeing', 'hearing', 'feeling' things / spirit) is commonly normal.
Actually everyone has such capability, they just do not focus their attention to it, during their wakeful state.
Every living human being is basically a spirit 'inside' a human body, in the same manner as every web forum avatar is human consciousness inside a web forum avatar.

Thus you do not need to worry about your 'normality'.

Everyone have 'spiritual senses' but how the physical mind 'interpret' the signal coming from physical senses might vary, when one in fully conscious / wakeful state.
Some might visually see, thus the signal coming from the eyes and 'spiritual eyes' / 'third eye' is being mixed into one channel. One saw it as two things overlaying each other, a usually 'transparent figure' with background of signal coming from physical eyes.

Some others do not, but he/she get a 'feeling' of a presence like there's 'something' / 'somebody' there.

And it's also common to find, when two or more people who 'visually see', the 'transparent figure' that they see have different appearances, each are having their own 'perception' of what they saw from 'non physical eye', while they have agreement on what they see  from their physical eyes.

Some might hear, thus the signal coming from the ear and 'spiritual antenna' is being mixed into one channel.

Some others do not, but he/she get a 'thought' that contain the message being sent.
In which sometimes this can be more 'powerful / immersive experience'.

It might be interesting for you to test this with a person where you don't speak or understand his/her language.
Can you hear his/her thought?
If yes in what language?

Because if it's truly 'spiritual communication', language is not a barrier at all.
You might hear it as if they're talking in English, or any other language that you're comfortable with.

And this 'communication' can also be done not only between human, but with animals or even plants as well.

You are right. And thanks for that about not worrying about being normal. who needs normal.

I have experienced some of the stuff you mentioned. It seems normal I guess because it’s is normalized because we talk about it.

It was just the pre-echo I had never heard described and wondered what it was. Lots of different ways to perceive life as creator in the flesh that is for sure. thanks jafar

[sillypumpkins]

glow its funny that you posted about this because it's actually a weird thing that i remember my dad doing all the time growing up. i also do it too. i always felt that it was just a "weird" thing so im just tickled that another can relate to it. at least if i understand what youre saying correctly

growing up, my dad used to just like zone out. trance style. his eyes were vacant and he was somewhere else. I started experiencing it too. I can't quite remember when. but it's just like.... my eyes will unfocus and so will my mind, and I'll just be transported somewhere else. if someone talks to me, it takes me a while to process that they are speaking to me. does that sound like what you experience?

ive got like a weird imagination that feels almost intertwined with my thinking process, if that makes sense? i've just noticed that im pretty dreamy when it comes to my thoughts. which can be a double edged sword. i like to communicate messages in my creative works so its helpful in that but also i have to watch out for delusions and stuff. just my experience

[Glow]

Silly pumpkins I haven’ t had that happen but I have seen people do that. I always wondered if they are deep in thought or deep not in thought. is that “in a daze” or zoned out? I think my brother used to do that and it always looked so restful. I wonder if that is or could be related to a different brain state like theta state?

What I meant about the eyes was I guess kind of cryptic unless you were in my head.
I honestly was almost legally blind as a kid so was always having to squint to see, at the time this pre echo seemed similar in that to get it to stop took me putting in effort to refocus. Like it did with my eyes. But when it happens I am relaxed but aware of my surroundings it just feels like, well it seems like shouldn’t happen. lol

Now it feels a bit like it smacks reality upside the head, as a kid I thought I was a bit broken.

Thanks for sharing your experience though.

I think I get similar in meditation but I never lose track of my surroundings so obviously haven’t gotten that deep.

[jafar]

Just to add.. actually I have a friend who can 'hear' thoughts of the other person.
I mean 'literally' hear it as a voice, so I guess it might be similar to what you defined as 'pre-echo'.
It's not always like that, only on some occasion or specific person.

He only speaks and understand English.
He tested it by talking with other friend which he said he can 'hear' his thought, and this friend can speak English and Chinese.
The other friend speaks in Chinese, and yes he can understand it as if it's being spoken in English.

But he said it's a 'weird' English, he often hear weird words such as "other person"...
And that can be explained because in Chinese (Mandarin), He/She/It is the same word "Tha".
When one think to speak in "Chinese mode" he never even bothered to 'think' whether the 3rd person that he's referring to is a male or a female as it's the same word to use regardless of their gender.

Maybe that also explain why Ra uses 'weird words' such as "Mind Body Spirit Complex"

That's why I do recommend to test it out with people who doesn't speak your language.

[meadow-foreigner]

From what I've understood of the OP, this seems like a dissociation of some sort: the physical effect is but the consequence of a spiritual cause.

Thanks Meadow Foreigner,

I feel like that word sort of has lost meaning to me as I can never really tell which way it is being used.

Some use it to mean it as a clinical term, a coping mechanism from trauma where you "disassociate from reality" obviously not a happy time

Your appreciation is appreciated, Glow. You bring up good perspectives about this issue.

You see, the Mind/Body/Spirit Complex is but one. So, it is a good thing to consider physiology, neurology, medicine, and other "health" social consensus terms — in a 3D environment — are mostly subject to 3D understanding of things, which rely mostly on the physical, measurable effects of things.

However, it is good to keep in mind that any and every single thing that one perceives comes from the same place after all; so regardless of the distortion level, All Is One, and One Is All. This is one perspective of the issue.

Perhaps another more physical perspective of the term dissociation might have this negative connotation because it is believed that individuals in such a state of mind are less than able to function and perform socially their expected social roles, which in turn is believed to compromise the quality of a given social structure. This leads to social attempts to treat effects instead of causes; the physical is a consequence of the spiritual. An understandable, though way below optimal, social perspective about this term.

Other times and including in the Ra material it's a good thing and part of becoming transparent to infinity.

80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?

Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.

80.12 Questioner: Then you say that this effect of disassociation on the service-to-others adept is a stumbling block or slowing process in reaching that goal which he aspires to? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.

From what I understand, Ra is saying the dissociation from the miasma of the illusion, so there's a much different context than mainstream, socially consensual belief.

Here's when the following spiritual pitfall may become dangerous:

If this dissociation from the miasma of the illusion comes along with a lack of κίνησις (Greek concept representing the idea of movement, motivation, motricity), then such process may be detrimental to the incarnational experience of the individual. After all, the 3D reality is the hardest one to incarnate on, and requires a constant struggle to be able to keep up with the ever-going flows of catalysts.

In other words, apathy isn't very useful in the 3D reality, for it is detrimental to the incarnational experience, to the processing of catalyst, to the service that one could provide to others, etc.

However, what if this state (which could be dissociative or not) is employed lovingly and wisely?

What if a given individual is able to make the best out of such detachment? For instance, let's say that someone benefits from this dissociation to create a piece of art, a socially valued labor; which can then be used to make the lives of other-Selves better. Isn't that a good use of such a catalyst?

In other words, it is important to be wary of peremptorities.

I would say it may have been the start of building blocks to the later, since the new information I have been given which link it to an experience with more dramatic results.

It probably is vital that word was brought up though as when I have had the linked experiences where Ii was out of my body and another(soul) spoke through me I had shame telling people about them as I knew it would be regarded as disassociation in a negative way.

As I posted in The Weed Thread, there actually isn't a thing such as "privacy" in the 3D illusion. Maybe beings and people talk with each other telepathically most of the time, whether it be on a subconscious level or not.

Embarrassment/shame is a very strong blockage so it most likely was why I was supposed to broach this publicly. Face the shadow, heal the block.

Thank you for playing your part, and sharing your light.

Absolutely. Since you had the courage to expose a blockage of yours, I'll expose a blockage of mine: guilt. It works in a similar way to shame, as it weighs on a given individual and usually restricts the flow, or Glow.

The light that comes through me is the same light that comes through you. Thank you too.

[Glow]

MF good replies. It’s been a long day but I want to touch on the disassociation thing since you and I were dancing at different angles. I see your perspective but I wasn’t actually talking if that type of disassociation. We are all on such different experiential paths.

It doesn’t really matter but I thought I would try to more clearly explain which part of the quote I intended to reference.

This quote “Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.”

It is known that part of the process of become one with all, is losening the egos grip as body/mind=self. Or as Ra puts it in the quote I posted above the illusory husk as self.

This is the disassociation I was meaning regarding self.

In shamanism for instance, true shamanism not the modified modern version the shaman little by little drops what he/she considers self. Eventually they are what us called a hollow bone.

They are no one, because in this way they are one with all which is one. Healing can work on others, and even be accepted by self in one body on behalf of self in another body. Both are equally that which is below the illusion. Identify self at the point below and you become one with all.

Obviously I’m not there, and actually do not aim to be fully, though when I was in a shamanic group my big intent was set as : to be enough self, and enough everything/one else to experience only membrane thin seperation between. Experience self on both sides. Kind of like the moment before merging when all becomes one again.

So I assume my path has a long term plan for this process and can utilize it as creators experience even if by 80 I’m so enraptured by oneness that I’m a babbling loon. I bet it will be happy babbling.

Nothing of that is apathetic though. One can feel more compassion when ones own ego blockages do not constantly measure separation which is rejection of unity.

It’s full of compassion and love because once a bit behind ego you really see each is doing each selfs honest best even if they don’t think they are.

Forgiveness gives way to forgiveness not even making sense because you understand so wouldn’t judge. I think I’m at this point about 90% of the time. Those i can’t yet “get” at least I know not to blame, it’s just this selfs experiential blind spot.

Anyways it’s not truly important. We may still be dancing in misunderstanding. It was just the apathy comment that made me feel we had a wide gulf in our attempt at communicating.
We can work away at it over the next decade or 2. these husks of identity are so real sometimes.

I appreciate your intention to understand and be understood.

[Glow]

Absolutely. Since you had the courage to expose a blockage of yours, I'll expose a blockage of mine: guilt. It works in a similar way to shame, as it weighs on a given individual and usually restricts the flow, or Glow.

The light that comes through me is the same light that comes through you. Thank you too.

On that guilt issue. i have resolved that within, and even the equivalent we place upon others(resentment?) It’s truely one of the few things this self has a real nack for so if you are ever struggling feel free to see if I can help.

That’s not self deprecation I’m certain this life plan included mostly mediocrity to keep the ego from pride. So I have a nack for only a few things and that’s one luckily.

[flofrog]

Guilt is such a terrible one. It’s useful for two minutes as saying ok don’t do that again , on long term it’s unuseful, hurts you and others, but if we leave it instead of thinking ok it’s a good thing to know and to use , then it stays and doesn’t do anything.

Humans in 3D do suffer from long term guilt. Forgiveness, ourselves and others is so key

[jafar]

I mentioned to also 'trying communicating' with animal, here's a good video about the example.
Anna Breytenbach, Animal Communicator
https://youtu.be/gvwHHMEDdT0

Such capability exist with everyone, and Anna does actively speaks in many forum teaching people on how to do it.
The mechanism is the same, telepathy, inter-spirit communication, that's why language is not a boundary at all or even space or distance for that matter.

[flofrog]

So right on jafar, my daughter has a dog. When I babysit him I look at him, he looks at me and I am thinking, Marlowe you are going to get a cracker, and he licks his lips and walks towards the kitchen.

Glow I had in fact a pre-echo visual. It was a good one in fact. It was about twenty years ago I was driving my son who was twelve and his two friends in the back of my small beetle. We are downtown, there’s no traffic in my street and I am about ten yards from a new green light for me , the cross side is a large boulevard, all cars stopped at the red light, so I can go, and suddenly in a vision as a transparency I see a van running through his red light crossing what would be in front of me, a huge silent NO comes inside me, I push on the accelerator, and my beetle rockets forward. As I get to the second crosswalk on the other side of the crossing I feel something brushing on the back of my car. I stop after the crosswalk, and get out, two pedestrians on the sidewalk tell me, this guy just ran through a red light. I looked at the left side of my back fender and there’s a small area where the paint is off.

That was my only pre echo visual Glow, but.. that was an ok one

[zedro]

So right on jafar, my daughter has a dog. When I babysit him I look at him, he looks at me and I am thinking, Marlowe you are going to get a cracker, and he licks his lips and walks towards the kitchen.

There was a study done that showed how some dogs knew their owners were coming back home from work (or from other destinations) when they chose to leave, even if an hour away. They studied it at off schedule times and controlled for behavior. (Of course the counter-revolutionary to disprove it was garbage like most of these consciencnous debunker studies are)

[Glow]

So right on jafar, my daughter has a dog. When I babysit him I look at him, he looks at me and I am thinking, Marlowe you are going to get a cracker, and he licks his lips and walks towards the kitchen.

There was a study done that showed how some dogs knew their owners were coming back home from work (or from other destinations) when they chose to leave, even if an hour away. They studied it at off schedule times and controlled for behavior. (Of course the counter-revolutionary to disprove it was garbage like most of these consciencnous debunker studies are)

I saw one that measured electromagnetic fields of plants and they found even over distances the plants feild reacted when its care taker was subjected to stress. It’s pretty neat stuff.

[zedro]

So right on jafar, my daughter has a dog. When I babysit him I look at him, he looks at me and I am thinking, Marlowe you are going to get a cracker, and he licks his lips and walks towards the kitchen.

There was a study done that showed how some dogs knew their owners were coming back home from work (or from other destinations) when they chose to leave, even if an hour away. They studied it at off schedule times and controlled for behavior. (Of course the counter-revolutionary to disprove it was garbage like most of these consciencnous debunker studies are)

I saw one that measured electromagnetic fields of plants and they found even over distances the plants feild reacted when its care taker was subjected to stress. It’s pretty neat stuff.

Even crazier, that plants grow better when projected with positive attention and love. House plants in vacant settings (no other plants, animals or people) will typically die.

[flofrog]

Oh my goodness zedro, when my second child had an accident and near downed, we were living in a rental where there was a huge plant that my two years old son who drowned used to tear tiny flecks every day of its leaves, and two days after the near drowning accident and my son was in a coma, the plant lost one morning all its leaves.

[Glow]

That’s amazing Flo. Did it recover?
I know with my clients animals when there owners are missing I explain to them where they are and that they will return. At least they know I empathize.

I didn’t do that with my friends plants when I had them and he was in the hospital for a month. Didn’t even think of it but maybe they knew like I did he would be ok.

The animals like us seem to need actual explanations for our behaviour but maybe that’s only because I’m around a lot that have been invested in enough to be approaching 3D so sort of experiencing self hood- seperation.

I have about well near 100 house plants, small house but lots of green friends. They are great medicine and like people use crystals they are great for lifting energy vibrations, each one different. Effects the chakras very powerfully in meditation together. We understand so little.
We are all one.

[flofrog]

I have about well near 100 house plants, small house but lots of green friends. They are great medicine and like people use crystals they are great for lifting energy vibrations, each one different. Effects the chakras very powerfully in meditation together. We understand so little.
We are all one.

Gosh Glow that sounds like so cool all those tiny plants rejoicing in your house...
No my son didn’t wake up, he was for 13 years in a light coma, no t’attaches to any devices, he was free to go and he did when he was 15 which is often what happens to children in a coma when they reach puberty, they just go. But I had this one life time reading by a great psychic and he sais my son while in coma was in service to entities when they left Earth and needed some healing before getting back into between incarnations so he was at work all the time, all good. My daughter and just miss him.

He was lovely. It was just a love story.

I love all those green friends of yours

[Glow]

I have about well near 100 house plants, small house but lots of green friends. They are great medicine and like people use crystals they are great for lifting energy vibrations, each one different. Effects the chakras very powerfully in meditation together. We understand so little.
We are all one.

Gosh Glow that sounds like so cool all those tiny plants rejoicing in your house...
No my son didn’t wake up, he was for 13 years in a light coma, no t’attaches to any devices, he was free to go and he did when he was 15 which is often what happens to children in a coma when they reach puberty, they just go. But I had this one life time reading by a great psychic and he sais my son while in coma was in service to entities when they left Earth and needed some healing before getting back into between incarnations so he was at work all the time, all good. My daughter and just miss him.

He was lovely. It was just a love story.

I love all those green friends of yours

Oh no. I’m so sorry. I knew about the coma but didn’t know about his departure. (((Hug))) thank you for handling such a horrible thing and being the type of person to still stay so loving and help us here with your love. (((Hug))) The world is a better place because of your contribution of light and love.

As to the work done in coma, I think that is a pretty powerful thing.
We Wanderers often do work, with other incarnates in need at night when the body sleeps so if the body is always sleeping it is an opportunity, for nonstop work while anchored closer to 3D so more able to connect than a non-incarnate could. It’s important service. Still I’m sorry for the pain of experiencing that loss.

As to the plants. I love growing plants from seed and with climate change and destruction of natural habitats I have gotten into buying seeds to grow special plants, just to ensure they do not go extinct in the wild. Some are already functionally extinct in their area so it’s my tiny contribution to the plant ark. I am certain others are doing the same so we preserve what we can.

I have my largest group of plants in my basement garden and it feels like walking into a wiser loving space. Like I’m the child and they are the ancients.

One of my vines is at least 14’ long but the lights only are about 5’ high, with Mylar to reflect higher but it’s not bright up there. The vine literally weaves itself into the darkness exploring the dark shadows which is so NOT regular plant behaviour as you know.

They are pretty special. In one spot I can sit under the vine, with two other wise plants and meditate and it’s bliss. Others I carry to my meditation bench.

Back to PSI/communication plants do talk, they do know their needs but I am an animist so I even ask the stones I pick up for permission to take them home. Some decline the request. I get it. I like the beach too.

[Louisabell]

Flo, I am also sorry to hear about your son. Much love and hugs. No doubt his life was a great gift to this world, as is your loving nature.

Glow, I can't really help you on this topic as I showed no psychic gifts as a child. I was the opposite really, very rational and confused when other children would say they had imaginary friends or that their stuffed toys would talk to them. I thought there must be something wrong with my toys, as they weren't so "interactive". My spiritual experiences happened after puberty hit.

I do think that much work is done while asleep. There have been a few times during that time between sleep and being awake that I have become aware that I am having a conversation with another person. The conversation is the type between teacher and student, me being the student. I wish I could remember what was being said! It was only after I consciously realised what was going on that I surprised myself out of it. Before I was fully conscious, it seemed normal for me to do this.

I've also gotten a lot of sleep paralysis in my time, and one time when it was happening, I heard a clear female voice tell me to focus on my third eye. It was good advice, as trying to flail about with one's limbs usually doesn't work when paralysed, and focusing on the third eye does help the body to recalibrate. So I think we have many guides and teachers that work with us when we are unconscious.

One little fun story I have to share about spirit. I was on an island resort in Fiji that was run by the locals. I was sitting on the balcony of my bure, watching something on my ipad. I was chilling out and had the awareness that a being came up around me, bent over my shoulder and was watching what I was. I just chilled like that for a bit sharing this fun show with another person, until I realised I should have been alone and quickly turned my head and saw that no one was there. I believe it was an island spirit that was curious as to what I was watching. I like this experience because I felt like the spirit was so good-natured and chill that it took me a while to be like "wait a minute, this shouldn't be happening!".

I have some plant friends as well. I have this tree especially that I get a lot of good vibes from. I pat it sometimes and tell it that I love them. I had a past life regression where I was a tree, so like, I can relate a bit. Haha

[jafar]

I'm glad to read that everyone is starting to share their experience of 'connecting' with other beings.
It's normal, you're not crazy at all, although some who do not understand might said so...

What I love the most on the Anna's video above is when she managed to convince the once skeptic man and finally the man also experiencing speaking to the leopard himself.