What is the purpose of a sociopath?

[RaEatsFoodstuffs]

Hello everyone,

Would a person who plans to incarnate on Earth as a sociopath be an individual on the service to self path? And if so, what type of advice would the inner plane guides or higher self give to this entity during the preincarnative experience? Would they tell the person to continue on this service to self path?

Although a service to self wanderer is rare as Ra states, could these sociopaths also be STS wanderers?

[Patrick]

My understanding is that STS people do not want help or advice.  If they did request help from their guidance system, it would not be STS influenced.  I would not be surprised if some true psychopaths are indeed STS wanderers, but I would also guess they are the minority.  There are more than enough people native to 3D that are walking the STS path to fill the shoes of most psychopaths.

[Dtris]

Sociopathy is present in around 1% of the population. Certain professions have much higher rates than others though. Including politicians and wall street type jobs. Either this group represents people fairly well along the path of STS, or it is a genetic condition. My personal view is that once someone has made the choice and is polarizing negatively they become sociopathic. What is interesting is that some sociopaths can still feel empathy for certain family members, while others do not.

As far as advice and guidance, they would receive that information from their higher self in an intuitive fashion, but would likely not seek out guides especially while incarnated. One of the hallmarks of STS is being highly skeptical of all sources other than the self, as any other source will be viewed with suspicion and likely having ulterior motives.

[jafar]

Would a person who plans to incarnate on Earth as a sociopath be an individual on the service to self path? And if so, what type of advice would the inner plane guides or higher self give to this entity during the preincarnative experience? Would they tell the person to continue on this service to self path?

Although a service to self wanderer is rare as Ra states, could these sociopaths also be STS wanderers?

Well a 'person' can only be defined once it has been incarnated.
The one who do the 'incarnating' is the 'higher self' of that 'person'.

Higher self have many personas, each took their unique path.
Some STS some others STO and anything in between.

As for the 'purpose'..

One of the best way to model this and referenceable by everyone is using the metaphor of novel writer.

Let's take Lord Of The Rings (LOTR) written by Tolkien.
Within the LOTR there are many personas, Frodo the hobbits, Legolas the elf, Gandalf the white wizard, Saruman the once white but then turn black wizard, Sauron as the most powerful yet evil character within the novel.

Tolkien is the 'higher self' of all of the above personas.
Tolkien projected himself to LOTR universe as Frodo, Legolas, Gandalf, Saruman and Sauron personas.
What is his purpose?
One need to ask Tolkien for the most correct answer, but generally it's because he wanted to make it 'interesting', at the very least interesting for him and maybe he wanted to explore the LOTR universe from multiple perspective.

A novel telling a story about a bunch of hobbits living peacefully in the shire will not be interesting isn't it?
Would a tv news aired a story about a bunch of people greeting good mornings to each others in the downtown area?
But tv news will definitely aired the story when suddenly a bomb exploded in that downtown area, disturbing the peace.

Thus if we take Sauron as the embodiment of STS entity within LOTR universe.
What kind of advice would Tolkien (the higher self) gave to Sauron? (which is also part of himself actually)
Well perhaps it's to continue exploring the path and play the role, although it's hard and not comfortable.

Why is that?
We all sometimes look for darkness in order to appreciate the light aren't we?
People goes to the most darkest place in the jungle or remote area in order to see the stars in the night sky.
An impossible thing to do within the lights of highly populated city or during daytime.

[flofrog]

I like your metaphor, jafar.

RaEatsFoodstuffs, interesting question...
I sometimes feel we could do with less or 'nicer' sociopaths, but if we take a step back, we can see some offer a huge catalyst for perhaps polarizing positive when you start to oppose their negative actions..

It reminds me a bit of the Buddhist adage, " your enemy is your teacher "...

[jafar]

I sometimes feel we could do with less or 'nicer' sociopaths,    but if we take a step back,  we can see some offer a huge catalyst for perhaps polarizing positive when you start to oppose their negative actions..

It reminds me a bit of the Buddhist adage,  " your enemy is your teacher "...

Couldn't agree more.. everyone (and everything) does have something to teach.

Taking LOTR as example, the role of Sauron helped Frodo (and Tolkien as it's higher self) to learn and recognize courage.
As through facing fear one will learn courage.
And through Sauron, Tolkien can learn and recognize so many more things.. more than he can learn from the positive avatars. Pride, Hatred, Anger, Pain, Fear.. plus it's opposite emotions...
Through experiencing the NOT one can recognize the IS.

As for Sauron, one day he will arrived at a realization that he is not separated from others, that he is not only Sauron but also Tolkien, his own higher self (note: merging with his own higher self). And through gaining access to Tolkien's bank of data / information Sauron will also realize that he is also Frodo, Gandalf, Legolas and others.. and he can experience all of the experiences that has been gathered 'collectively' by Tolkien's collection of avatars.

And the process repeat in similar manner with Tolkien and Tolkien's higher self, thus Sauron's higher higher self. The one who wrote LOTR and those who read the LOTR is also the same person.

"You will eventually arrived at a conclusion that there is actually only one person in the room, that's why what you do to others you are actually doing it to your own self".
-- Neale Donald Walsch, author of Conversations With God

[J.W.]

Very insightful and interesting post,
I enjoy these kind of discussions because it strikes at the core of STS.

The pinnacle of "separation" of oneself from other-selves lays in Sociopathic and Psychopathic behaviors.

To have full disregard, no empathy and no remorse while causing harms and pain to others. At the same time, gaining "pleasure" or benefit for oneself.

What I can share with you that may contribute to your seeking,


Sociopaths has one common trait, the "lack" of introspection... not just "reflection" of their actions. They know what they did, and why they did it. But they do not "feel" the outcome of such actions. They only "know."

To simply put, it is a Mind over Heart matter.

Literally the Green Ray is shut off completely, and there is only Red, Yellow, and Orange ray at work.

This all ties into Carla's book 101:The Choice, where she explains it from her perspective of the chakras patterns of STS and STO paths. (Ra spoke of it extensively also.)


Sociopath and Psychopath falls perfectly into the description of such paths where they chose to close off the Heart Chakra, and reach for the gateway via STS route.

Now, for the "purpose".... Well, it's quite simple, they want to "advance" to the next level, and that's it. The "waiting room" upstairs doesn't have a giant sign that say "STO only" .... any souls get to choose what path they want to take when they are programing their next incarnation and catalyst. Sociopath and Psychopath may have said... "Ffff it all" and chose the dark path for a "quick" way "up."

And through that "choice" ... ultimately it is quite noble in itself, because without the suffering they create for many others, we wouldn't get to experience extreme drive to push back and polarize towards positive.

It's a Push and Pull game, and it benefit both side.

On the far end of the other spectrum, both you and I know that there are many folks out there that Loves Joker more than Batman.

Sometimes people get sick of all the "Loving, Jesus, Kumbaya, etc. etc." and just wants the world to burn. "Counter-culture" is the term for such behavior in science.

The key is to influence passively without creating much distortion or comes off as "super" good or "super" bad.

Higher Density entities understands this very well, and they play this extensively.

Once more going back to the topic, the sociopaths path ("paths path"=a cycle, haha, I joke) its not unescapable. In the video below, the sociopath person shows some level of introspection and actually "started" to understand by looking within themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdPMUX8_8Ms&t=775s

When it comes down to it, If you can look within yourself, it is almost a guarantee Antidote/Cure to any shi**y catalysts or crap you are dealing with while incarnation.

Hope this helps with your curiosity Raeatsfoodstuff.

With much light,

[jafar]

Very insightful and interesting post,
I enjoy these kind of discussions because it strikes at the core of STS.

The pinnacle of "separation" of oneself from other-selves lays in Sociopathic and Psychopathic behaviors.

In a way actually STS and STO is actually serving the 'self'.
What differentiate is only their definition of the 'self'.
STS see themselves as separated from others while STO see others as part of themselves.

Sociopaths has one common trait, the "lack" of introspection... not just "reflection" of their actions. They know what they did, and why they did it. But they do not "feel" the outcome of such actions. They only "know."

STO will see 'sociopath' as part of their own self.... and seek to help them as much as possible.
While STS will see 'sociopath' (or any others beside their own self) as either those who need to be beaten or eliminated.

On the far end of the other spectrum, both you and I know that there are many folks out there that Loves Joker more than Batman.

I don't think that Joker and Batman is a good example here.
STS will not love Joker, they will see Joker (and Batman) as either a figure to be beaten, manipulated or eliminated.

That's why by nature, STS will also fight with other STSes.
They're seeking to win over others, to be superior over others, to be dominating over others, including and especially other STSes.
A society of STSes will be characterized by continuing endless conflicts.
As one seek to dominate over others and become the ultimate winner.

When they're organized in a group then there will be a group leader acting as a tyrant.
And the only reason why the member obey the leader is because they fear the leader.
That's why the leader always uses fear, punishment and threat to make the member obey his will and command.

Sidenote: the threat of Hell torture might sound familiar here...

Within each member they will always look for a chance to rebel, beat the leader and become the new leader of the group. Betrayal to their own leader / master is a common occurrence.
To channel out this 'excessive fighting energy' the leader is in constant seeking of other group to have a fight with...

STSes example is much more common than we thought it is.. many of the past and current political structure are actually mimicking STS construct.

Alexander the great is a very good example, spending all his life looking for a fight.
And when he died, his generals fought each others for supremacy.
Religion extremist another good example, that's why Al-Qaeda and ISIS hate each other guts...
And also how the medieval crusaders ends up fighting each others..
Facist, Nazi, KKK and white/race supremacist another good example.
Hitler ends up fighting Stalin, and even when the Axis alliance won, Hitler will eventually ends up fighting Mussolini.

Pure STO is the extreme opposite.

When they organized in a group, the member follows the leader because they love the leader. And the leader will not think himself as a 'leader' or 'superior' compared to the members, the leader will not try to take any credit of the group's achievement and the leader will think themselves as a servant to the group. The leader will happily step down from leadership when he see there's another willing member that is better suited than he/she is to become the ultimate servant to the group.

Jesus is a good example (although his life story that we have now might actually be distorted with STS elements).
Dalai Lama is another good example, he never rally his member for a brutal war with the PRC or hate the Chinese. He did not even lobbied India to fought war with China over Tibet, the kingdom that he lost.
Siddhartha the Buddha another good example.
And using LOTR example, Frodo did not wished to become a king or ruler although he's the one who bear and destroy the ring.

Majority of the STOs will actually fell below the radar, as they're not seeking credits, fame and glory for their own selves.

From STS perspective STOs are losers, a failure.
Because STS is always in constant thinking of winning and always in fear of losing.

Higher Density entities understands this very well, and they play this extensively.

Exactly, both STOs and STSs need to play their part in this 'divine game'.
But all of this is merely an illusion, in the end there's only one person in the room.

[J.W.]

In a way actually STS and STO is actually serving the 'self'.
What differentiate is only their definition of the 'self'.
STS see themselves as separated from others while STO see others as part of themselves.

Yes, this is the definition of the polarities or the two paths. I never misunderstood the fact that serving other-selves is "not" serving the "self" or vice versa.
This seems rhetorical, but I get you. But if this helps you understand STS and STO more, then.. yes, both paths lead to oneness, because that is the "origin"

STO will see 'sociopath' as part of their own self.... and seek to help them as much as possible.
While STS will see 'sociopath' (or any others beside their own self) as either those who need to be beaten or eliminated.

You are speaking of "Compassion and empathy" This is not just a "STO" thing.. it's a basic human altruistic instinct... it is not as simply as "seeing" yourself as them, if you say so, then you are capable of being a sociopath or psychopath, but you choose not to, which is quite impossible because.... in medicine, sociopath and psychopath are actually detectable through scans, it is a literal abnormalities of the brain.
https://psychcentral.com/news/2012/05/11...38540.html

So as "philosophical" as you can carry this, I am sure if you get your brain scanned, you won't show up as a "psychopath" unless you really are one.

This goes further in a sense that, the entity properly pre-programmed this in the pre-incarnate state. The "waiting room." So yes, you can say "they are just me, but an effed up version of me." I get it...

Also, I am not sure what you mean by "help as much as possible".. in regards of dealing with such scenarios... unless you work with sociopathic patients or psychopathic prisoners.
I would strongly suggest not put yourself in a place like that, no matter how kumbaya or "STO" you may be, unless you are trained to deal with such folks. Gotta be realistic here. This is not your "clinical" depression, anxiety, borderline personality disorder, or even bipolar patients. It is very dangerous without proper understanding before reaching out to help. Just my 2 cents as a professional in the field.

I don't think that Joker and Batman is a good example here.
STS will not love Joker, they will see Joker (and Batman) as either a figure to be beaten, manipulated or eliminated.

It's a "figure of speech," not to be taken literally, as in everyone loves a "protagonist"..... As in... everyone loves the bullied kids to stand up for themselves, and people want to see the underdog wins at the end.

I am not talking about STS's "preferences" towards fictional movie character or any specific humans cinematic personality. The human psyche is not as simple as black and white, or good vs evil. Just like the polarities we read in Ra's transcript.

by the way, what's up with "beaten, manipulated, or eliminated?" If you are talking about the emotion of "Anger" and "crowd mentality" which are similar to the folks that chants and cheered on at the executions' of the Salem witch trials... or a crowd that wants to see a pedophile killed.... none of that is as simple as just what "STS" entities "want" or "see"... your understanding of humans emotions/psyche, and the nature of polarities of densities seems to be convoluted.

In the medical field, we DON'T want to see them "beaten, or eliminated"
We wish to understand them more, through research, and we look for ways to cure this brain abnormalities through medication or therapies.

This doesn't mean the research team doesn't have personal "emotions" that align with "anguish" and "hate" towards what psychopaths has done to others, and the crime they have committed. We don't feel bad for them because they would slit our throat without thinking twice, but at the same time we want to help them. So what that make us? STS too? not so ... simple.. see?

That's why by nature, STS will also fight with other STSes.
They're seeking to win over others, to be superior over others, to be dominating over others, including and especially other STSes.
A society of STSes will be characterized by continuing endless conflicts.
As one seek to dominate over others and become the ultimate winner.

No, the military operate on a systematic structure that is similar to STS, you serve your superior, and your superior serves their superior... The "chain of command"

But within that system, people are still willing to die for one another, and that is not just due to the "duty" of the occupation or their responsibility.

Again, this is not as simple as you make it, sorry, this feels a bit biased from what you see in movies perhaps.

When they're organized in a group then there will be a group leader acting as a tyrant.
And the only reason why the member obey the leader is because they fear the leader.
That's why the leader always uses fear, punishment and threat to make the member obey his will and command.

again, not true, this sounds like it's straight out of LOTR movies where you speak of "Orks" and their behaviors towards each others. The funny thing is, the concept of "orks" behaviors in movies are portrayed from "pack animals" behaviors from nature, where the "pack" is operated in the "hierarchical" structure you described.

if you want to seek further understanding of this "chessboard" I suggest you research Osho Rajneesh. You might gain a better insight to how complex STS could be.... It's not just "always" fear, punishment, and threat.... sometimes.. it's actually "love." and "worship."

Within each member they will always look for a chance to rebel, beat the leader and become the new leader of the group. Betrayal to their own leader / master is a common occurrence.
To channel out this 'excessive fighting energy' the leader is in constant seeking of other group to have a fight with...

.......

STSes example is much more common than we thought it is.. many of the past and current political structure are actually mimicking STS construct.

Alexander the great is a very good example, spending all his life looking for a fight.
And when he died, his generals fought each others for supremacy.
Religion extremist another good example, that's why Al-Qaeda and ISIS hate each other guts...
And also how the medieval crusaders ends up fighting each others..
Facist, Nazi, KKK and white/race supremacist another good example.
Hitler ends up fighting Stalin, and even when the Axis alliance won, Hitler will eventually ends up fighting Mussolini.

This is the "game of the mortals" (figure of speech)..... you play this too if you don't realize it.... if you don't kiss ass at work, or at any point in your life, whether your parents, a cop, your teacher, your boss, your girlfriend/boyfriend, or someone that has power over you... then you're gonna have quite a rough time in life. Yes you come off as the "hard knocks" like for example .. the hells angels, where they kiss no asses to the "norm" of society. But the statement above is too "broad" or "generic" to refute. Every examples you listed has more than one factors that does not have any "relevancy" to STS but simply human instinct for survival.

Pure STO is the extreme opposite.

When they organized in a group, the member follows the leader because they love the leader. And the leader will not think himself as a 'leader' or 'superior' compared to the members, the leader will not try to take any credit of the group's achievement and the leader will think themselves as a servant to the group. The leader will happily step down from leadership when he see there's another willing member that is better suited than he/she is to become the ultimate servant to the group.

Jesus is a good example (although his life story that we have now might actually be distorted with STS elements).
Dalai Lama is another good example, he never rally his member for a brutal war with the PRC or hate the Chinese. He did not even lobbied India to fought war with China over Tibet, the kingdom that he lost.
Siddhartha the Buddha another good example.
And using LOTR example, Frodo did not wished to become a king or ruler although he's the one who bear and destroy the ring.

again, this is... way too simple from what you make of it, a "Leader" isn't a brainless figure that goes around and send resources to waste. Any "leaders" whether "good" or "bad" understand the art of conflict, where sometimes, you must back out and not cause any unnecessary losses, if you want to keep "playing."

Majority of the STOs will actually fell below the radar, as they're not seeking credits, fame and glory for their own selves.

From STS perspective STOs are losers, a failure.
Because STS is always in constant thinking of winning and always in fear of losing.

Without fame, Martin Luther King Jr wouldn't been able to mobilize his movement,

Without fame, Bob Marley wouldn't be able to spread his message of love...

And the list goes on, and on....

My friend... You are on the right path, but seek more.

I am an observer, and I see.

With light to you,

[jafar]

Also, I am not sure what you mean by "help as much as possible".. in regards of dealing with such scenarios... unless you work with sociopathic patients or psychopathic prisoners.    

Well you will encounter sociopathy or psychopathy one way or the other...
And don't be surprised when you found 'them' within 'yourself' as well...

Consciousness can 'split'... and this is where 'shadow works' comes in...

I would strongly suggest not put yourself in a place like that, no matter how kumbaya or "STO" you may be, unless you are trained to deal with such folks. Gotta be realistic here. This is not your "clinical" depression, anxiety, borderline personality disorder, or even bipolar patients. It is very dangerous without proper understanding before reaching out to help. Just my 2 cents as a professional in the field.

I agree that it can potentially be dangerous to 'physical health'...
As sociopath and psychopath can do physical harm to other people.

I am not talking about STS's "preferences" towards fictional movie character or any specific humans cinematic personality. The human psyche is not as simple as black and white, or good vs evil. Just like the polarities we read in Ra's transcript.

by the way, what's up with "beaten, manipulated, or eliminated?" If you are talking about the emotion of "Anger" and "crowd mentality" which are similar to the folks that chants and cheered on at the executions' of the Salem witch trials... or a crowd that wants to see a pedophile killed.... none of that is as simple as just what "STS" entities "want" or "see"... your understanding of humans emotions/psyche, and the nature of polarities of densities seems to be convoluted.

I tend to agree that the element of STS and STOs should be viewed as 'percentage', so yes it's not a boolean or absolute 100% black and 100% white. And I think Ra also mentioned similar thing.

Infact it's very rare to find a personality with 100% STS or 100% STO.
Ra also mentioned too much STOs will have a tendency to do 'self - sacrifice'.
As even Genghis Khan love his mom....
And Hitler love his dog..

In the medical field, we DON'T want to see them "beaten, or eliminated"

Of course, actually my point was that's how STS see the world around them..

They see themselves as separate from others. thus they see it as a 'race' or 'competition' with others.. giving birth to constant urge to 'win' or 'victorious' over others.

With such 'view' STS will not work in harmonious even with other STSes..

We wish to understand them more, through research, and we look for ways to cure this brain abnormalities through medication or therapies.  

Sometimes they just need to be 'accepted' as they are..

That I believe the goal of 'shadow work' is..

No, the military operate on a systematic structure that is similar to STS, you serve your superior, and your superior serves their superior... The "chain of command"

But within that system, people are still willing to die for one another, and that is not just due to the "duty" of the occupation or their responsibility.

Again, this is not as simple as you make it, sorry, this feels a bit biased from what you see in movies perhaps.

I'm deliberately simplifying it so the 'difference' can be easily understood.

What happened on the field is always a mixture of STS and STO characteristic blending in.

There are Sergeants who are willing to sacrifice his own life for the life of the people served under him.
There are also Generals who do not hesitate to torture his own men in order to instill fear within them and obeyed all of his command due to fear.
And there are also a private who defy his commander command to murder a civilian and paid dearly by experiencing torture and death due to his defiance. Afterwards marked as a 'traitor'.

if you want to seek further understanding of this "chessboard" I suggest you research Osho Rajneesh. You might gain a better insight to how complex STS could be.... It's not just "always" fear, punishment, and threat.... sometimes.. it's actually "love." and "worship."

As mentioned above, the reality is always more 'complex' and that what makes it more 'exiting'.

This is the "game of the mortals" (figure of speech)..... you play this too if you don't realize it.... if you don't kiss ass at work, or at any point in your life, whether your parents, a cop, your teacher, your boss, your girlfriend/boyfriend, or someone that has power over you... then you're gonna have quite a rough time in life. Yes you come off as the "hard knocks" like for example .. the hells angels, where they kiss no asses to the "norm" of society. But the statement above is too "broad" or "generic" to refute. Every examples you listed has more than one factors that does not have any "relevancy" to STS but simply human instinct for survival.

again, this is... way too simple from what you make of it, a "Leader" isn't a brainless figure that goes around and send resources to waste. Any "leaders" whether "good" or "bad" understand the art of conflict, where sometimes, you must back out and not cause any unnecessary losses, if you want to keep "playing."

Instinct for survival is among the key characteristic of STS element.

As for my 'personal life experience' yes I don't "kiss ass" at anything and I've met many STS lenient personas as well. I don't hate them but I don't kiss their ass. Every compliment that I gave to them are authentic.

There are many things to 'admire' about STS attributes.
Pride, fear and hate generate massive amount of energy.

It's much much much harder to plan out and execute a 'revenge' compared to 'accept, forgive and letting it go'.
It requires strong dedication, massive amount of wits and consistency with constant probability that the 'plan for revenge' will fail. That's also why many people admire Genghis Khan... or other STS lenient personas...

I always wondered what if Siddharta choose to become a King instead of a hermit.
Or Jesus decided to extract a revenge for his crucifixion.
Jesus Of Nazareth II: The Revenge
That would makes a good story for blockbuster movie..
Jesus planning an assassination plot to murder Caiaphas and other member of the Sanhedrin. Training all of his disciples the art to become assassins. Entering Caiaphas bedroom riding a horse and striking a fatal blow with a mace.

A prequel to Jesus Of Nazareth III: The Great War with Rome

Without fame, Martin Luther King Jr wouldn't been able to mobilize his movement,
Without fame, Bob Marley wouldn't be able to spread his message of love...
And the list goes on, and on....

Didn't I mentioned 'majority' of STOs?
Which by definition does not ignore the fact of the existence of 'famous' STOs lenient personas.

Based on my life experience, many of STOs lenient personas are 'common' people, the janitor, the moms, the farmers, the monks, the clerk. They hardly appear on the news because they lived a humble and happy life, and they didn't seek any glory or fame.

Yet certainly the 'occupation' is not an appropriate indication to detect STOs or STSs lenient personas.
Their world view might..

STSes see they are being separated from others.
STOs see others as among their own self.

The 'challenge' for STOs is actually how far they can see 'others' as their own self.
Will they be able to accept and love the 'unlovable'? Their own enemy? The murderer of their own parent or children?
That's what the learning path of STOs is all about...

My friend... You are on the right path, but seek more.

Thank you.. but actually there is no right or wrong path.. both STS lenient or STO lenient path will eventually arrived at the same destination in the end. #unity

[J.W.]

hmmm....

You know, I normally would use my ability to dissect your energy. In example, I feel that you are a young soul, and your vessel is in it's 20s or a little younger.

But that is as far as I will go.

You seem to don't really "listen" or selectively chooses responses that only serves one perspective, and it is yours.

Well you will encounter sociopathy or psychopathy one way or the other...
And don't be surprised when you found 'them' within 'yourself' as well...

Consciousness can 'split'... and this is where 'shadow works' comes in...

This initial response allows me to see that you don't seem to understand that Sociopaths and psychopaths are not as "common" as you thinks.

https://psychologia.co/psychopath-vs-sociopath/

And it seems to be convoluted with the fact that you think "everything" is one... this is true, but you don't bark at people and piss on a tree, or eat your own poop because you are a different specie.

You can "act" like an animal as much as you like, but you won't "become" one, because you're not...
You don't simply "find" sociopathic/psychopathic behavior in yourself. Even if it is a "philosophical" or "spiritual" standpoint, because it is most like a choice "pre-incarnate" unless, you chose the same thing.

"Shadow work" is not what you make out to be.... If you only watched a few videos on YouTube of Jordan Peterson, Alan Watts, or Carl Jung... and basing your knowledge and perspective from there, then I highly suggest you follow a more academic route.

But if school isn't your thing, then reach out to Gary,

https://plenumhealer.wordpress.com/?dm

He uses metaphysic to "show" you the "paths" and it is not as simple as "STO/STS" paths you are so hellbent on. It's more than just that and your "hashtag unity."

STS and STO aren't just "paths"

You're at the tip of the iceberg Jafar, but keep going.

Thank you.. but actually there is no right or wrong path.. both STS lenient or STO lenient path will eventually arrived at the same destination in the end. #unity

You can take this or leave it,

But a trick that Negative polarity uses to blind awakening seekers is exactly what you stated.

I don't think you're that naive enough to thinks that right or wrong "choices" is fine because "in the end #unity"

That mentality would get you in a lot of trouble in society, and the justice system will be seeing you often. You are making "choices" whether you thinks "right/wrong" means nothing to you.


Welcome to the forum, hang around, you might find what you're looking for. Unless, you know it all already.

With much light,

[Patrick]

In my opinion, the hallmark of STS is not the focus on the self or even the perceived separation from self and other-selves.

The hallmark is the unexpected result of this perceived separation... leading to doing things at the expanse of others.

If instead STS was content to just ignore all that is not the self as being unimportant to them, that would lead to a very different game.  But it seems that working exclusively on the self and ignoring all others is still walking the positive path.

[jafar]

You know, I normally would use my ability to dissect your energy. In example, I feel that you are a young soul, and your vessel is in it's 20s or a little younger.

You have my permission to dissect my energy.
Go for it..

But you're definitely mistaken about the age of my current vessel.

You seem to don't really "listen" or selectively chooses responses that only serves one perspective, and it is yours.

It seems that such opinion came out because you held such view?

You can "act" like an animal as much as you like, but you won't "become" one, because you're not...

Human is an animal.. an evolved animal..
But since you've briefly mentioned about 'dissecting energy', try to dissect the energy of a dog or cat or snails or tree and experienced it yourself.

You don't simply "find" sociopathic/psychopathic behavior in yourself. Even if it is a "philosophical" or "spiritual" standpoint, because it is most like a choice "pre-incarnate" unless, you chose the same thing.

Sociopathic / psychopatic is merely a label for a phenomenon.

You seem to be in the opinion that 'body' dictate the 'spirit'.
Which is a common view in today's medical world.

While I'm more towards 'spirit' dictate the body.
And the state of the spirit can change how the physical body works.

It's true that there are hormones that can be triggered to entice empathy.
And the lack of it can cause one with difficulty to experience empathy.
But when the spirit truly wish to experience empathy, then the body will produce it.
I'm more on this opinion.

And what I'm saying was you can find STS characteristic (and also STO characteristic) within your own self.
By understanding it within you, you can use it to understand other beings which are more lenient towards STSes characteristic (or STOs characteristic).

"Shadow work" is not what you make out to be....

And maybe you can explain it more layman terms, based on your own life experience?

But a trick that Negative polarity uses to blind awakening seekers is exactly what you stated.

Kindly explain what are the 'trick' that 'negative' polarity uses to 'blind' awakening seekers?

I don't think you're that naive enough to thinks that right or wrong "choices" is fine because "in the end #unity"That mentality would get you in a lot of trouble in society, and the justice system will be seeing you often. You are making "choices" whether you thinks "right/wrong" means nothing to you.

What I find is that STSes lenient people like to make trouble with whomever or whatever.
Including (if not especially) with other STSes...

STOs can also have trouble, especially within STSes lenient system.
So trouble is not necessarily a 'bad' thing, need to dive into details on case by case basis.

I've given you an example of a Private who have problems with military system because he refused to shoot a civilian.
That's based on a true story.

But I also got the sense that you given me a kind of 'warning' here?
That I might have trouble in society and justice system?

Thank you for that, but please allow me to share my life experience so far.. experience is after all the best teacher isn't it?
There's a huge difference between knowing and experiencing...

Based on my experience so far, I haven't had any trouble with justice system.
Other than ticketing fines due to violating some traffic sign out of mistakes.
However I do aware that those traffic sign was put there for safety reason.
My mistake, I didn't saw it.. pay the fines...

I did encountered trouble on few organization that I've worked with.
I worked within an organization where the leader is 'agitated' most of the time. Bursting into anger or issuing threat is a common occurrence. I also observed that he 'drink' a lot. Let's named him James.. not his real name though.

In one of his 'drinking' occasion I decided to join him, alcohol has weird effect of 'lowering self-control', a kind of 'truth serum'. In short I managed to get few 'wisdom' from James:
- "In order to get 150% capability out of our team we need to make them be put inside a situation where their survival depends on it".
Ah.. I wondered.. that's why he issues "firing" threat so often to the employee...
- "Fear is the best mechanism to control people behavior".
Ah.. again it relate to the 'survival' wisdom.. but he's correct, fear can drive and control people behavior.

He also complained a lot about how he was treated by his superior.. in short his superior treated him in the same manner as he treat his own men. #threat, #fear, #survival_mode.  So this is a kind of trickled down effect from the top.

He also lamented on his discomfort on what he has become, and some time even bursting into cry and sometimes anger. Alcohol does have weird effect on self control.

Many months gone by, and I grew more and more discomfort within the organization.
I never received any 'direct' threat from James, but constantly become the 'center' of 'emotional cauldron' from other employees.  I always advised them if you're uncomfortable here then better resign and find other places to work.
Many of them reply with "I would if I do have better place to work, but I can't stand James anymore now".
Then better resign tomorrow.. I replied..
They usually answered with, but I need the money to sustain my family, if I don't have work, what should I do?

Again 'fear' is at play here... they insist on staying in a place that they don't like to be out of fear of their future.

From my side, I do try to help those 'discomforted employee'  through contacting people within my network, whether they have open position available. Some of them got it and left.. some of them didn't thus stay.

I didn't bothered to tell the James of what's going on, because I knew that he know about it already. His 'goal' of 'putting people inside a situation where their survival depends on it' has been achieved.

And then the moment came where it's my turn.
James issues the firing threat to me... he gave me an ultimatum of "improving your performance within 3 months otherwise you will be fired!".
At first I was 'agitated'.. but then I understand the situation better.
I replied with "Thank you James, I resigned from this company as of today".

Do I already have another job at that moment?
The answer is no, but that fear is actually baseless..  it's the fear that we all need to face head on anyway...
And I share that fact to other 'discomforted employee' as well.. when they asked how did I dare to took such step.
Such fear is actually baseless you just need to face such fear head on as through that fear you're actually being controlled out of your own free will.

Within the next 4 weeks I found out that at least 6 other employees followed my action, resigning from the company.

Surprisingly I found another job at better place, with higher pay and better environment just within 2 weeks.

Looking back on that specific experience.

Do I hate James?.. no.. James is one of my best teacher about fear.. and through him he has helped me to find courage.
I also understand where does James anger, fear and aggressiveness came from.
He does work tirelessly, full of determination, not giving up easily, he always have more 'energy' to spend than others.
Through him I also appreciate the effect of 'negative emotions'..

And oh yes James tries to beat the 'system' many times, tax fraud, double book-keeping, bribery nothing is unreachable for him. And he always felt a sense of 'pride' on whenever he beat our business competitor or even fool the auditor as if confirming that he's more superior / smarter than they are.

And sometimes I can also share the same 'exciting emotion/experience' as he experienced, whenever we beat our business competitor or even when he managed to fool the auditor.

Through James I can gain more understanding about 'negative characteristic' and STSes.
I thank him for that....
In his weird way, he has helped me to become a 'better' person, at least from my perspective, to be more authentic person. If he called me up for a drink, I will certainly accept. Unfortunately he hasn't as of now.
I only wish James can find the same courage within him and face his own fear.. maybe he has now.. but I'm sure that he eventually will, it just a matter of time.

There are many other of my life experiences regarding 'negative characteristic' and STSes, but this thread will be too long.. if I share all of it.

Welcome to the forum, hang around, you might find what you're looking for. Unless, you know it all already.

Thank you.. looking forward for new experiences.
As there are is a huge difference between 'knowing' and 'experiencing'.

[Sacred Fool]

Hello everyone,

Would a person who plans to incarnate on Earth as a sociopath be an individual on the service to self path? And if so, what type of advice would the inner plane guides or higher self give to this entity during the preincarnative experience? Would they tell the person to continue on this service to self path?

Although a service to self wanderer is rare as Ra states, could these sociopaths also be STS wanderers?

One very interesting element which is always absent from these STS discussions is that, in order to graduate to 4D, an entity must become comfortable with working with 4D levels of light and love.  This would seem to suggest that those who are progressing through the 4D negative experience are working with 4D love and light.

Therefore, to one about to incarnate in 3D who aspires to move to 4D-, the advice might well be to practice using love and light as close to 4D levels as one can.  I can see how having the focused abilities of a psychopath might be an advantage in that regard.
   

[Plenum]

You know, I normally would use my ability to dissect your energy. In example, I feel that you are a young soul, and your vessel is in it's 20s or a little younger.

You have my permission to dissect my energy.
Go for it..

But you're definitely mistaken about the age of my current vessel.

Mod Note: this reading of energy, and character analysis is NOT appropriate for a public setting, even with consent.

You are more than welcome to continue this line of conversation with each other via PM.

The client-practitioner relationship is a sacred one, and is founded on trust and safety. We ask that this be respected, by being conducted in a private space.

[J.W.]

Hello everyone,

Would a person who plans to incarnate on Earth as a sociopath be an individual on the service to self path? And if so, what type of advice would the inner plane guides or higher self give to this entity during the preincarnative experience? Would they tell the person to continue on this service to self path?

Although a service to self wanderer is rare as Ra states, could these sociopaths also be STS wanderers?

One very interesting element which is always absent from these STS discussions is that, in order to graduate to 4D, an entity must become comfortable with working with 4D levels of light and love.  This would seem to suggest that those who are progressing through the 4D negative experience are working with 4D love and light.

Therefore, to one about to incarnate in 3D who aspires to move to 4D-, the advice might well be to practice using love and light as close to 4D levels as one can.  I can see how having the focused abilities of a psychopath might be an advantage in that regard.
   

Yes, Hannibal comes to mind. Even though he is "semi fiction."

He loves his craft, and shows high level of dedication to perfecting it.

[J.W.]

You know, I normally would use my ability to dissect your energy. In example, I feel that you are a young soul, and your vessel is in it's 20s or a little younger.

You have my permission to dissect my energy.
Go for it..

But you're definitely mistaken about the age of my current vessel.

Mod Note: this reading of energy, and character analysis is NOT appropriate for a public setting, even with consent.

You are more than welcome to continue this line of conversation with each other via PM.

The client-practitioner relationship is a sacred one, and is founded on trust and safety. We ask that this be respected, by being conducted in a private space.

Plenum, I am starting understand what you mean now regarding "energy reading" and analysis of another soul. It definitely needs a more careful and responsible attitude from my end. My apology, I always saw metaphysics as the "unconventional" methods of the DSM-5 without the intake form.

Never realize it could be utilize in ways... that words can't describe. Much to be learn from this...



Jafar, I am glad to hear that your catalyst in this incarnation with the entity "James" has led you to a better place and moving forward on your journey of seeking.

I have sent a PM in response with Plenum and you, feel free to discuss further on there.

With much Light,

[J.W.]

In my opinion, the hallmark of STS is not the focus on the self or even the perceived separation from self and other-selves.

The hallmark is the unexpected result of this perceived separation... leading to doing things at the expanse of others.

If instead STS was content to just ignore all that is not the self as being unimportant to them, that would lead to a very different game.  But it seems that working exclusively on the self and ignoring all others is still walking the positive path.

Patrick, That is valid from my perspective also, and to add to that.

"wisdom" is the key component to the illusory of the "separation" of the self and others.

To simplify, STS uses wisdom to overtake green rays as it is seen as a "prolonged" path. STS focuses on efficiency and the illusion of "perfectionism."

From this, the definition of "collateral damage" or "necessary sacrifice" for a "cause" is produced through STS path.


Since wisdom is a dual-distortion, positive polarity uses wisdom as a "tool" per se, to expand the service to others.

A positive entity that possess both love and wisdom in their energy will take action that would have "self-perseverance" by nature, to have "future" opportunity to help others.

I.E. in the EMS world, we have a thing call "triage" in major motor accidents if more than 3 casualties are involved. We must tag the severity and urgency of each patients and their injuries, therefore the most "critical" patient will have a chance to survive.

If you have a broken arm with bone sticking out, and the person next to you is going to cardiac arrest, you are going to have to sit there until I stabilize that patient. Knowing that, you probably is in a lot of pain.

This is how "wisdom" operate in a sense of "separation."

It allows a temporary "separation" where Negative polarity strive for a "permanent" separation from green rays for the sake of forward movement to higher density.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Very insightful and interesting post,
I enjoy these kind of discussions because it strikes at the core of STS.

The pinnacle of "separation" of oneself from other-selves lays in Sociopathic and Psychopathic behaviors.

In a way actually STS and STO is actually serving the 'self'.
What differentiate is only their definition of the 'self'.
STS see themselves as separated from others while STO see others as part of themselves.

Sociopaths has one common trait, the "lack" of introspection... not just "reflection" of their actions. They know what they did, and why they did it. But they do not "feel" the outcome of such actions. They only "know."

STO will see 'sociopath' as part of their own self.... and seek to help them as much as possible.
While STS will see 'sociopath' (or any others beside their own self) as either those who need to be beaten or eliminated.

On the far end of the other spectrum, both you and I know that there are many folks out there that Loves Joker more than Batman.

I don't think that Joker and Batman is a good example here.
STS will not love Joker, they will see Joker (and Batman) as either a figure to be beaten, manipulated or eliminated.

That's why by nature, STS will also fight with other STSes.
They're seeking to win over others, to be superior over others, to be dominating over others, including and especially other STSes.
A society of STSes will be characterized by continuing endless conflicts.
As one seek to dominate over others and become the ultimate winner.

When they're organized in a group then there will be a group leader acting as a tyrant.
And the only reason why the member obey the leader is because they fear the leader.
That's why the leader always uses fear, punishment and threat to make the member obey his will and command.

Sidenote: the threat of Hell torture might sound familiar here...

Within each member they will always look for a chance to rebel, beat the leader and become the new leader of the group. Betrayal to their own leader / master is a common occurrence.
To channel out this 'excessive fighting energy' the leader is in constant seeking of other group to have a fight with...

STSes example is much more common than we thought it is.. many of the past and current political structure are actually mimicking STS construct.

Alexander the great is a very good example, spending all his life looking for a fight.
And when he died, his generals fought each others for supremacy.
Religion extremist another good example, that's why Al-Qaeda and ISIS hate each other guts...
And also how the medieval crusaders ends up fighting each others..
Facist, Nazi, KKK and white/race supremacist another good example.
Hitler ends up fighting Stalin, and even when the Axis alliance won, Hitler will eventually ends up fighting Mussolini.

Pure STO is the extreme opposite.

When they organized in a group, the member follows the leader because they love the leader. And the leader will not think himself as a 'leader' or 'superior' compared to the members, the leader will not try to take any credit of the group's achievement and the leader will think themselves as a servant to the group. The leader will happily step down from leadership when he see there's another willing member that is better suited than he/she is to become the ultimate servant to the group.

Jesus is a good example (although his life story that we have now might actually be distorted with STS elements).
Dalai Lama is another good example, he never rally his member for a brutal war with the PRC or hate the Chinese. He did not even lobbied India to fought war with China over Tibet, the kingdom that he lost.
Siddhartha the Buddha another good example.
And using LOTR example, Frodo did not wished to become a king or ruler although he's the one who bear and destroy the ring.

Majority of the STOs will actually fell below the radar, as they're not seeking credits, fame and glory for their own selves.

From STS perspective STOs are losers, a failure.
Because STS is always in constant thinking of winning and always in fear of losing.

Higher Density entities understands this very well, and they play this extensively.

Exactly, both STOs and STSs need to play their part in this 'divine game'.
But all of this is merely an illusion, in the end there's only one person in the room.

I agree with one exception, there are no pure STO or STS there is but One absolute.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Well you will encounter sociopathy or psychopathy one way or the other...
And don't be surprised when you found 'them' within 'yourself' as well...

Consciousness can 'split'... and this is where 'shadow works' comes in...

very true

[Glow]

I found this pretty interesting. Apologies it's not a direct answer to questions asked but it delves into some interesting areas of potential service a sociopath can offer to those not afflicted, also potential for growth by the sociopath to be polarized more positively.
From the sociopaths perspective.NY times article written from a sociopath that is a doctor who studies Sociopathy

[unity100]

Sociopathy is a condition that results from psychopathy, which is a psychological or genetic condition that hampers the faculty of empathy on individuals. Its a condition, so it cannot have a particular objective. Every sociopath would have their own objectives.

[jafar]

One of the key 'hallmark' of STS is the base emotion of FEAR.
Thus one of their 'purpose' of existence to others is related to this emotion of fear.
They're the greatest teachers for STSes and STOs to learn courage and eventually love.

STS might not directly admit that they have fear within themselves.
But based on my findings, yes they do, infact all of their actions are related to the fear within their own self. It seems that the thought or 'perception' of strong separation impacted in the creation of this fear based emotion.

Fear based emotion does generate an extra amount of energy, and they leverage their energy to dominate other STOs or STSes through fear. As only through fear one might do something that is not based on their own free will.

While one of the key hallmark of STOs is they respect other's free will.
Including the free will of STSes to experience what they want to experience.
They will not, for example, instilling fear to STSes in order to make them 'change their way' or do anything that is not based on their own free will. They will explain, show or share their knowledge, truthfully when asked, but they will always respect other's free will to make their own choices.

Just few minutes ago I stumbled on this video:
What Are Negative Entities Like? Law of One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZhz_wJRUPE

And I concur all the characteristics being described, based on my findings and experience.

[Diana]

I found this pretty interesting. Apologies it's not a direct answer to questions asked but it delves into some interesting areas of potential service a sociopath can offer to those not afflicted, also potential for growth by the sociopath to be polarized more positively.
From the sociopaths perspective.NY times article written from a sociopath that is a doctor who studies Sociopathy

That was an excellent article. It is such an interesting take on the idea of teach/learn, and not making judgments based on society, dogma, and labeling.

[Aion]

I found this pretty interesting. Apologies it's not a direct answer to questions asked but it delves into some interesting areas of potential service a sociopath can offer to those not afflicted, also potential for growth by the sociopath to be polarized more positively.
From the sociopaths perspective.NY times article written from a sociopath that is a doctor who studies Sociopathy

That was an excellent article. It is such an interesting take on the idea of teach/learn, and not making judgments based on society, dogma, and labeling.

Yeah that was a great article, especially because of the way it humanizes these types of individuals.