A question about 6D sts

[Bosphorus1982]

Ra material says that at the end of 5th density, STS civilizations fall into confusion and seek to become STO oriented. However, it also adds that, there are 6D sts entities in the Orion group. Isn't that a bit contradictory with the former explanation? I'd be happy if you could enlighten. Thanks

[Patrick]

My understanding is that the material says it is only in mid 6th density that STS seeks to become STO, or rather it sees that it needs to release polarity in order to continue evolving.  We can kind of conclude that the state of being without polarity is closer to the state of being of positive polarity.

36.12 Questioner: Let me take as an example the one you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his higher self was of sixth density and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his higher self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Could you expand on this concept?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no [negative] beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality of late sixth density, as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.

Therefore, the Oversoul which makes its understanding available to all who are ready for such aid is towards the positive. However, the free will of the individual is paramount, and any guidance given by the higher self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity depending upon the choice of a mind/body/spirit complex.

36.15 Questioner: Well, then let’s say that when Himmler, for instance, reaches sixth-density negative at the beginnings of sixth-density negative, at this time would it be [the] case that an entity would realize that his higher self is sixth-density positively oriented and for that reason make the jump from negative to positive orientation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.

[flofrog]

It’s interesting to note that apparently from what Ra says 4th and 5th density take a lot longer for evolution than 3D... so there’s probably ample time in 6D to switch polarity.

[Minyatur]

It’s interesting to note that apparently from what Ra says 4th and 5th density take a lot longer for evolution than 3D... so there’s probably ample time in 6D to switch polarity.

Also interesting to note that apparently before the usage of the veil it was 3D and 4D that were extremely long, while from the 5D upward there was a rapid progression towards the eight density.

[Patrick]

Oh they have time in 6D. Ra says they are outside of time. So they have all the time.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Oh they have time in 6D. Ra says they are outside of time. So they have all the time.

Ha-ha...true

[Asolsutsesvyl]

There's more relevant stuff gathered and linked to in the thread, "The Hero's Journey for Former "Villains": Former 6dSTS Wanderers Who Flipped".

(The topic of 6D STS has been discussed from time to time, with different angles, sometimes in different ways, sometimes in repeating ways -- maybe one day a thorough compiling on the subject could be put together.)

On time and 6D, the way in which 6D is outside the bounds of what we experience as time is the reason I've been thinking of it differently. Instead of thinking of beings advancing linearly in density within 6D, like below 6D, I've thought that maybe time is transcended in 6D to the degree that it's no longer accurate to think that way. Instead, I've been thinking of 6D as a living system and whole, where the middle of 6D is like an organ in a body which communicates with the outside. Connected to that is that I think 6D as a whole is waiting for something -- the rest of creation -- in a way that honors time in creation without being bound to subjectively having to wait. In this speculative view, the top of 6D is a portal into timelessness, but exists simultaneously with the rest of 6D as part of the living whole of it.

[jafar]

Is STS or STO still relevant in 6D of existence? or should I say 'awareness'?

If the 6D is the 'last' state before the individualized consciousness merge 'itself' with everything thus realizing the 'ultimate realization' that there's no other person in the room besides it's own self. Will STO still be valid? Given everything is part of the 'self' thus the 'other self', the object to serve, do not exist anymore.

Given to the 'clue' (which is hard to be accepted as fact from 3D perspective) that everything is about consciousness identifying itself to 'something'. When the consciousness can identify itself to 'anything' will an exclusive labelling such as only STS or only STO still relevant?

A 'hypothetical' conversation between 3D awareness consciousness and 6D awareness consciousness might be something like this:

Q: Who are you?
A: I can be anything that I want to identify myself to be.
Q: Are you Hitler?
A: I can be.
Q: Prove it.. tell me everything about Hitler's life.
A: << Telling Hitler's life events in every detail >>
Q: Are you James? My neighbor across the street?
A: I can be.. << Telling James life events in every detail >>
Q: Are you ME?
A: I can be... << Telling the questioner's life events in every detail, up to that point in time thus observing the questioner's 'free will' >>

[Minyatur]

Actually I think 6D entities have a very distinct sense of identity. The understanding of the unity of one's self and one's other-selves is native to them, but in terms of direct experience they remain their separate self. While unity sounds like where everything unifies together, I think it is actually the other way around and the focal center of manyness within the Octave. Selfness is instead released only in mid/late seventh density.

This can be understood from looking at how Ra describes the beingness of the self as part of the Octave as being 3 points in a circle. The lower self has a higher self of mid/late-sixth density, which is its own future self with the honor/duty of looking backward and offering itself to its own past self as a resource, just as to distill and program further experience for that self across the densities (3rd to early 6th). At every moment of the lower self, the higher self is the culmination of everything experienced by the lower self up to that point, while still not knowing the further choices the lower self will make and so works with the free will of its lower self to grow. To do all that, it uses a resource given by its own future self of mid-seventh density, this mid-seventh density future self does this as a last action of looking backward to then turn to the allness of the Creator. This entire process seems really about gaining spiritual mass and is required for the movement from 6th to 7th density and 7th density to 8th density. The spiritual mass being what allows one to learn the Law of Forever and do a quantum leap from selfhood into the allness of the Creator.

Maybe a 6D entity can know the details of its other-selves, but it does not necessarily allow it to shed from itself its own distortions that make it its own unique mind/body/spirit complex.

I based my reply on these quotes, if you want to read them: 36.1 36.8, 36.9, 37.6, 70.1 and 70.11.

[jafar]

Actually I think 6D entities have a very distinct sense of identity. The understanding of the unity of one's self and one's other-selves is native to them, but in terms of direct experience they remain their separate self. While unity sounds like where everything unifies together, I think it is actually the other way around and the focal center of manyness within the Octave. Selfness is instead released only in mid/late seventh density.

Maybe a 6D entity can know the details of its other-selves, but it does not necessarily allow it to shed from itself its own distortions that make it its own unique mind/body/spirit complex.

I based my reply on these quotes, if you want to read them: 36.1 36.8, 36.9, 37.6, 70.1 and 70.11.

Ah ok so Mr Ra defined the release of selfness as "mid/late seventh density" and not "6th density".
Because the only way for the finite to reach the infinite is actually to release / destroy the 'border' that define or identify its 'own self', thus making it finite.

And "Distinct" here doesn't mean "Separation", that's why I'm more comfortable with the definition of "overself" rather than "higher self", thus an 'over self' actually know the details of each individualized consciousness within a finite group of 'mind/body/spirit complex' as it has access to the memory of each of them.

Access to the memory is the 'key things' here, imagine if for example you have access to the memory of an individualized consciousness named Marilyn Monroe thus you are experiencing everything in her life time from her perspective, all of her thoughts and emotion, you then shall cannot help but to identify yourself as her. "I was Marilyn Monroe".

This is how I understand people felt after 'gaining the access' to the memory of other individualized consciousness, thus they call it recalling 'my past lives', as that individual has identified itself as also other 'individual' which in accordance to it's understanding happened in the 'past' in terms of his time dimension.

If the memory of "Marilyn" was recalled by "James" for example. Is it Marilyn reincarnating as James? or James was reincarnated as Marilyn? or "something" is reincarnating as Marilyn and then as James?
And what happened if the memory of "Marilyn" was recalled by "Bob" as well, who are living at the same time as "James"?

Every individualized consciousness actually also has access to their own 'over self', including STS entities.
But since the STS path is based on 'separation', including separation from it's 'over self' thus does not seek to 'access' the guidance from it's own over self.

But an 'over self' has already gone through that path as well, similar path but not exactly the same, thus actually able to offer guidance to it's own 'individualized self' on whichever path that they choose. STO or STS.  The over self of any STS has gained the lesson of love and unity as well other wise it will not be driven or able to offer anything, in full sincerity, to it's 'individualized self' which at that moment is threading the path of STS.

I actually derived this understanding mainly from my own personalized experience of 'series of meetings' with my 'over self',  and I do believe anyone can have such experience if only they wish it so. The initiation of intent need to come genuinely from the 'individualized self' as the 'over self' will always honor the free will of it's individualized self.

But my experience is also inline with Mr Ra's definition as shown by the quote below.

36.11 Questioner: These channels would then be opened by meditation, and I am assuming that intense polarization would help in this. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. Intense polarization does not necessarily develop, in the mind/body/spirit complex, the will or need to contact the oversoul. Each path of life experience is unique. However, given the polarization, the will is greatly enhanced and vice-versa.

36.12 Questioner: Let me take as an example the one you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his higher self was of sixth density, and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his higher self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Could you expand on this concept?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no [negative] beings which have attained the oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality of late sixth density, as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which, to our knowledge, has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path, and during the earlier part of the sixth density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.
Therefore, the oversoul which makes its understanding available to all who are ready for such aid is towards the positive. However, the free will of the individual is paramount, and any guidance given by the higher self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity depending upon the choice of a mind/body/spirit complex.

36.13 Questioner: Then using Himmler as an example, was his higher self at the time he was incarnate in the 1940s a sixth-density positively oriented higher self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

36.14 Questioner: Was Himmler in any way in contact with his higher self at that time while he was incarnate in the 1940s?

Ra: I am Ra. We remind you that the negative path is one of separation. What is the first separation? The self from the self.
The one known as Himmler did not choose to use its abilities of will and polarization to seek guidance from any source but its conscious drives, self-chosen in the life experience and nourished by previous biases created in other life experiences.