Loving without expectation of return

[Navaratna]

It's a groovy place to visit.  I hope to live there someday...perhaps soon.
   

I'm sure you will  . Your words are beautiful.

I feel as though I can express love, and to some extent receive it, but I can see how the love is slightly coloured by a hope or anticipation to receive like in kind. When that colouration is sent forth, you are overjoyed when your hopes are met, but destined to suffer when hopes are dashed. I suppose it's like sending a part of yourself that is still niave enough to take the rejection of itself badly. It is very subtle to the conscious mind, but an imbalance nonetheless.

Is that universal unconditional radiance or is that an agenda? :idea: I know the feeling, but kindness should be for the sake of kindness. Then again if we lived in a perfect world it'd be easy. It's easy to talk about giving service to others above the self in every circumstance until it boils down to giving someone all your money and material goods to be in line with the principals of an Egyptian alien's advice.

[Louisabell]

lb,  this time of apparent heavy virus might make it easier ?  If I look at all around me and feel all around Earth, I have this feeling we are all in this together.  Feeling awe, respect for the courage of everyone.

I have to agree Floflog. I realise that many people are fearful of certain imposed "social controls", but I am heartened to see humanity come together in a (relatively) unified way to protect lives. While the unemployment saddens me, it's also a valuable time for people to see what matters the most in times of crisis (i.e. families and neighbours coming together and the removal of a lot of distractions).

[Louisabell]

No matter how people dress/look, they're just people, and like all people, many are possessive. You don't tell people you love them if you're a grown man unless the circumstances are exactly right. Otherwise people get all tribal and dudes start chest thumping. Women have it a bit easier thinking of their love for everything and expressing it freely because they aren't assumed as having as much of an agenda. Guys I know would shake their heads at being reminded of the transient nature of everything or param chaitanya. 'What's your...point?" "That's gay/are you gay?" or some dismissive whatever.

It's a great concept and I see it and agree with it, but thinking people are going to think this way in huge numbers and not just irritate each other to death until fists start swinging over who is allowed to love whose woman or allowed to
hang out around whoever else cuz Gilberto is annoying [and unaesthetically pleasing as a middle aged overweight truck driver] ... is...hilarious. Call your love something else and maybe people will relate. Param chaitanya I think is a good word for this reason, there is no English equivalent.

Hi Navaratna, I wouldn't go around telling strange people that I love them, cause that would just be weird and awkward. For me, love is the sensation/realisation of the worth of an individual. In truth, every individual has infinite worth inherent in them, as they are a child of god.

All having infinite worth also means no-one has more worth than the other. Also means no-one can demand or is entitled to the other. So, the material effects are small, but the soul effects are humongous. I treat people with the worth they evidently have to the best of my ability. That's how I love people - quietly and purposefully.

Fortunately I have not been jealous in my adult life, that's not a lesson I need to learn right now, but sometimes I get caught up on what could have been if certain people had loved me back the way I wanted (and I don't mean romantically!). There is pain there.

Is that universal unconditional radiance or is that an agenda?  :idea:

If there was an agenda, it would be to be as honest with myself as possible in the pursuit of truth and higher love.

[flow]

Louisabell, do you love yourself? Do you accept yourself just the way you are? Do you forgive yourself? You know, in case we have been raised in a dysfunctional families we carry so much guilt, self-doubts, we feel ourselves unworthy, we tend to think "perhaps it is my fault, i wasn't good enough", we became ruthless and demanding for ourselves - "you have to do better, don't look for excuses", etc..
According to Confederation, energy comes through our feet and base cakra and then it goes up. After red base cakra comes orange cakra, where we deal with other entities on 1-on-1 basis. That also includes dealing with ourselves, because you always one on one when you looking inside yourself or when you looking in a mirror. So those of us who have traumatized childhood, whose parents were not supportive, affectionate, forgiving and loving, have blockages in orange cakra, which have to be removed before energy of One Creator can move on unimpended upward to yellow cakra and eventually to green cakra of unconditional love. What i am trying to say is that could it be that our inner dictatorship runned by ruthless mind find a way to opress and submit our true self by blaming us we are uncapable of open our hearts without expectation of return? In my humble opinion i think we fist have to be kind, loving forgiving and accepting to ourselves, to heal our childhood wounds in case we have any, before we can proceed further and expect ourselves to be loving, accepting and forgiving of other people. Very hard task i must say.

[Navaratna]

No matter how people dress/look, they're just people, and like all people, many are possessive. You don't tell people you love them if you're a grown man unless the circumstances are exactly right. Otherwise people get all tribal and dudes start chest thumping. Women have it a bit easier thinking of their love for everything and expressing it freely because they aren't assumed as having as much of an agenda. Guys I know would shake their heads at being reminded of the transient nature of everything or param chaitanya. 'What's your...point?" "That's gay/are you gay?" or some dismissive whatever.

It's a great concept and I see it and agree with it, but thinking people are going to think this way in huge numbers and not just irritate each other to death until fists start swinging over who is allowed to love whose woman or allowed to
hang out around whoever else cuz Gilberto is annoying [and unaesthetically pleasing as a middle aged overweight truck driver] ... is...hilarious. Call your love something else and maybe people will relate. Param chaitanya I think is a good word for this reason, there is no English equivalent.

Hi Navaratna, I wouldn't go around telling strange people that I love them, cause that would just be weird and awkward. For me, love is the sensation/realisation of the worth of an individual. In truth, every individual has infinite worth inherent in them, as they are a child of god.

All having infinite worth also means no-one has more worth than the other. Also means no-one can demand or is entitled to the other. So, the material effects are small, but the soul effects are humongous. I treat people with the worth they evidently have to the best of my ability. That's how I love people - quietly and purposefully.

Fortunately I have not been jealous in my adult life, that's not a lesson I need to learn right now, but sometimes I get caught up on what could have been if certain people had loved me back the way I wanted (and I don't mean romantically!). There is pain there.

Is that universal unconditional radiance or is that an agenda?  :idea:

If there was an agenda, it would be to be as honest with myself as possible in the pursuit of truth and higher love.

Yes I understand what you mean. I don't think people on here would do what I'm describing. I'm simply describing how I picture it. Lol. Most people think..

It's not normal to love everyone


As much as I don't care about the fact that most people think that way.. I mean I understand that if you don't really know someone it doesn't...really matter what they think of you for the most part.

The reason I mention these thoughts is because the perspective discussed in Law of One is a perspective I think that a very very tiny percentage of people truly embody or ever have. Trying to get someone to agree with it in real life for the most part is something that I think is a waste of my time. I've never shown the Law of One to anyone I know. I'll tell people of param chaitanya but trying to get someone to meditate doesn't sound so exciting to most people. Trying to make a person seek inner peace is kind of a difficult to make look exciting and opposite of the point.

I think once most people are in their mid 20s, men realize their friends have families. Hanging out with your dude friend doesn't really make much sense when the wife is around raising a family in the home. Go somewhere else? Wife asks "why are you with your friends instead of me?"

Hanging out with women that aren't even married but have boyfriends usually doesn't work out either, and if you're not the boyfriend to a girl,they kind of think..what is this guy around me for? And guys...don't want to hang out with other guys all the time, they want girlfriends.

Women think this way too. A girl seeing all her friends getting married while she becomes older. And is fearful of being 30 and not having a man, while the men her age and older oftentimes seem to want younger women.

All these dynamics generally make it so that many people begin to think that unless a person is working to make money to live in our society so they can partner up, or putting effort trying to sustain a relationship of some sort, they look at you as a complete waste of time if you're not fulfilling their agenda which is related to some element of what I described. There are plenty of exceptions, but for the most part I think this is the way people think, and people think they don't have time to breathe.

So it leaves you wondering, instead of simply having these ideas..what do you yourself do with this perspective? That your soul is everything, because the universe and soul/infinite mind are the same..so what? For one I think the book Kybalion illustrates ideas about how the spirit can telepathically transform matter.
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Well, Samadhi, param chaitanya they are terms which fit perfectly in the Ra material. Samadhi being a balanced chakra system [densities] and param chaitanya being infinite universal love/truth.

When it comes to getting over people, everyone goes through that. It is difficult, but forgiveness is required for you to evolve. If you allow someones hate/hostility/negativity to dwell in you, they've achieved what harm they meant. People could be going through things you'd never know are bothering them and their lack of affection for you could be shaped by it. It isn't your fault.

I can think of plenty of people who've probably felt ignored by me even though it wasn't their fault. It isn't your fault. Everyone goes through that.

I can't help lately but remember a very unique woman I once knew and I really regret how I didn't try to be better friends with her, and simply locked up the look on my face at the times when she tried to show interest in me. I was too in to my own safe zone back then. I don't get hung up on anyone, but she had such a real presence that she was unforgettable.

For the first time in many years I feel like when I wake up I'm just killing time, and it's not the way I would be living if it weren't for a global economic shattering. I never thought I would hear myself think that way ever again. Everyone gets thrown off balance from time to time. I wonder how long our society can be ground to a halt until it starts truly destabilizing. I practically feel like our planet is being gradually more and more haunted by people who did not find peace in their death from a bizarre illness few people know the real origin of. But shadows don't block out illumination, there's no such thing as a shadow ousting sunlight or a flame.
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semi-related:


A lot of the science around keeping track of time with the I Ching and theory of a universal hologram mind [picture princess Leia from star wars, but as your individual mental perspective rooted in the light-beam machine] boiled down to how all patterns in the universe could be categorized as novel events that create connectivity between thoughts/information. -Or- -habits- in which connectivity grinds to a halt like a hamster at a wheel or simply collapses. Like a server on the Internet failing and disconnecting peoples thoughts. Tao. connectivity, disconnect, connect, disconnect.

Synapses between neurons connecting, novelty
or a human dying violently losing connection, habit

humans in a circle, meditation. mental expansion Illumination, novelty
humans in isolation, depressed, cold. Noncommunicative, slow/redundant thoughts. Habit

My threads about these ideas seem to have gone past people's heads because the topics are over complicated but I like the idea of showing the data to a person who doesn't have any concept of a mystical perspective in their mind but being well versed in science and being unable to deny that it really is a way of illustrating a hologram of the entire universe. Also showing that the purpose of DNA [living things/life] ould be to interweave interconnectivity.

Today I also recognized that because 3rd density makes mention of tarot cards, there should be a closer connection between 8th and third density than anyone has recognized as of yet. 4 zodiac houses of tarot cards is related to the patterns of 8th density as Moon/DNA contains the number 8 [8x8=64] 6[dna number]x64=384 [lunar year] 64x384 lunar days = 67 solar years. 67 solar years x 64 = 4288 [zodiac house] x 6 = 25728 [years in an axial precession]

In the densities are encoded the numerological ascent toward Zodiac ages [houses] and Axial precession, but that isn't counting #9 and the extra 4 or 5 mentioned in sahaja yoga