The Council of Saturn

[Sacred Fool]

 
Okay.  I'm not trying to take your opinions away from you.  But I would add that basing a thought construct on a single word from a non-native speaker might be less than wise.  Personally, I concur whole heartedly with u100's observations, and with the conclusion that the guardians are not of this octave, but, at the same time, I've said all I have to say about it.

I would offer, additionally (also supportive of u100's remarks), that I found the Probert book of Yada channeling, as well as the Appendix One of the Uri Geller book having to do with The Nine, full of "transient material" and not particularly spiritually oriented in the way the Ra Material is.
 
 

[Ymarsakar]

Instead of arguing over human conceptions of right or wrong opinions, it would be more fruitful to contact your Higher Self, your God, and your astral (other) selves, so that they can meet and deliberate over this subject, and then download your Divine email complete with directions, explanations, and orders.

The text itself is not a living god or entity. Which is why people went off the main track when they prioritized scriptural text as the Words of a god. The words of a god come from that god, it does not come from a text written ex post facto. Of course there will be distortions due to the Veil once something is written down.

These distortions are of no consequence in the astral, as spiritual entities have their own methods of communication that does not utilize the problems of human languages.

https://archive.org/stream/TheOnlyPlanet...e_djvu.txt

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=council

The Council of 9 is channeled from the Planet of Choice. In it, Tom the CHannel: says that the Council of 9 principle forces correspond to the Hebrew tradition of Elohim. Meaning YHVH. The same one mentioned in Genesis. Along with the genetic modification, now we know why "made in the Creator's Image" and "Children of God" applies.

The link to the Quo source claiming the same is sufficient, although Quo did not claim the Council of 9 was the same as the inner plane *(Agartha civs). It just claimed that the Council of 9 had an unusual relationship with them, whatever that meant.

My intuition and higher self confirmed that YHVH was relatively advanced and with many responsibilities for humanity even before I read the channeled material. There's quite a bit of interventions in history. If you read the lawofone website for council, you may notice how many times wanderers or sixth density or members of the Confederation asked the Council for Approval. This council, Divine Council, is a combination of 9 different entities (elders in Journey of Souls parlance) unified through telepathic contact. Which is to say ,a super powerful spirit borg computer.

To put it into perspective, the Council of 9 is the Confederation's Executive and planning group, supported by 24 members who are also part of the Council of Divine gods. Those 24 members are likely those with special authorities or experience with Earth, because the Council manages the Universe of Earth. Having adequate personnel on hand to handle issues and to process problems, is key.

Via Journey of Souls, these would be the administrators of the soul incarnation system for 3rd density. They determine which bodies or lives newer souls get, corresponding to 1st, 2nd, 3rd density, as well as determining the membership of the Confederation. This seems a bit... orderly for what would naturally be a more free will spirit realm. But it is consistent with the Divine Plan system seen in Journey of Souls. A very orderly, but not hierarchical, organization.

The closest Earth template would be the organization of the Latter Day Saints.

There are also hints I have obtained that these elohim are what maintains the Illusion of Maya. Meaning, they are the ones who keep the stars, moon, and sun in correct cycles. Which astrologically, makes sense. This is the Fate system, for the Ring of Destiny, that is used to bypass time lines. The entire "time stream" has been planned out by the Makers ahead of time. They know all the variables.

The Veil of Maya, the forgetting, is maintained/created by Heyl-El. Their relationship to the elohim Divine Counsel is a bit murky. They have said Yeshua is on the Left hand of the Divine Godhead, and Heyl-El is on the Right hand, but that was only in so far as Heyl-El claimed the authority power of light and Yeshua had sound. Urgh, this human language block is harsh. Can't penetrate it.

There is something special with Earth or at least this major cycle of humanity. Something special enough that would motivate the Divine Counsel to constantly make "minor interventions" here over and over again. Sixth density have seen the limitations of this, but what about 7th and 8 density?

An important line by Tom/9 is that the 9 sit in the pivot of balance between positive and negative, good and evil. Service to other vs service to self. Being elders or beyond the stage of everyone in the Confederation, it would make logical sense that they be given responsibility/honor/duty for managing the Quarantine as well as for decisions of intervention.

The interesting thing about the Veil I have discovered is that if a person is allowed to know this or need to know this, they will see it and understand it. But if they are not ready or if this is not beneficial to their progress at this time, they will not contact it, or if they do contact it, they will dismiss it or lack any understanding of it.

That is quite a powerful automatic system, which some humans fear as they call it the "Control Matrix" system of the Lizzies. If only they knew...

And the 9 made sure to clarify matters by explaining they were Aeons. This is because Gnostic sources often called YHVH, Yaldaboath, the corrupt scion of Sophia. This seems... quirky and ironic.

[Black Dragon]

Instead of arguing over human conceptions of right or wrong opinions, it would be more fruitful to contact your Higher Self, your God, and your astral (other) selves, so that they can meet and deliberate over this subject, and then download your Divine email complete with directions, explanations, and orders.

The text itself is not a living god or entity. Which is why people went off the main track when they prioritized scriptural text as the Words of a god. The words of a god come from that god, it does not come from a text written ex post facto. Of course there will be distortions due to the Veil once something is written down.

These distortions are of no consequence in the astral, as spiritual entities have their own methods of communication that does not utilize the problems of human languages.

https://archive.org/stream/TheOnlyPlanet...e_djvu.txt

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=council

The Council of 9 is channeled from the Planet of Choice. In it, Tom the CHannel: says that the Council of 9 principle forces correspond to the Hebrew tradition of Elohim. Meaning YHVH. The same one mentioned in Genesis. Along with the genetic modification, now we know why "made in the Creator's Image" and "Children of God" applies.

The link to the Quo source claiming the same is sufficient, although Quo did not claim the Council of 9 was the same as the inner plane *(Agartha civs). It just claimed that the Council of 9 had an unusual relationship with them, whatever that meant.

My intuition and higher self confirmed that YHVH was relatively advanced and with many responsibilities for humanity even before I read the channeled material. There's quite a bit of interventions in history. If you read the lawofone website for council, you may notice how many times wanderers or sixth density or members of the Confederation asked the Council for Approval. This council, Divine Council, is a combination of 9 different entities (elders in Journey of Souls parlance) unified through telepathic contact. Which is to say ,a super powerful spirit borg computer.

To put it into perspective, the Council of 9 is the Confederation's Executive and planning group, supported by 24 members who are also part of the Council of Divine gods. Those 24 members are likely those with special authorities or experience with Earth, because the Council manages the Universe of Earth. Having adequate personnel on hand to handle issues and to process problems, is key.

Via Journey of Souls, these would be the administrators of the soul incarnation system for 3rd density. They determine which bodies or lives newer souls get, corresponding to 1st, 2nd, 3rd density, as well as determining the membership of the Confederation. This seems a bit... orderly for what would naturally be a more free will spirit realm. But it is consistent with the Divine Plan system seen in Journey of Souls. A very orderly, but not hierarchical, organization.

The closest Earth template would be the organization of the Latter Day Saints.

There are also hints I have obtained that these elohim are what maintains the Illusion of Maya. Meaning, they are the ones who keep the stars, moon, and sun in correct cycles. Which astrologically, makes sense. This is the Fate system, for the Ring of Destiny, that is used to bypass time lines. The entire "time stream" has been planned out by the Makers ahead of time. They know all the variables.

The Veil of Maya, the forgetting, is maintained/created by Heyl-El. Their relationship to the elohim Divine Counsel is a bit murky. They have said Yeshua is on the Left hand of the Divine Godhead, and Heyl-El is on the Right hand, but that was only in so far as Heyl-El claimed the authority power of light and Yeshua had sound. Urgh, this human language block is harsh. Can't penetrate it.

There is something special with Earth or at least this major cycle of humanity. Something special enough that would motivate the Divine Counsel to constantly make "minor interventions" here over and over again. Sixth density have seen the limitations of this, but what about 7th and 8 density?

An important line by Tom/9 is that the 9 sit in the pivot of balance between positive and negative, good and evil. Service to other vs service to self. Being elders or beyond the stage of everyone in the Confederation, it would make logical sense that they be given responsibility/honor/duty for managing the Quarantine as well as for decisions of intervention.

The interesting thing about the Veil I have discovered is that if a person is allowed to know this or need to know this, they will see it and understand it. But if they are not ready or if this is not beneficial to their progress at this time, they will not contact it, or if they do contact it, they will dismiss it or lack any understanding of it.

That is quite a powerful automatic system, which some humans fear as they call it the "Control Matrix" system of the Lizzies. If only they knew...

And the 9 made sure to clarify matters by explaining they were Aeons. This is because Gnostic sources often called YHVH, Yaldaboath, the corrupt scion of Sophia. This seems... quirky and ironic.

I get you. I replied to a similar comment you made on another thread with some of my theories and positions on the issue. What's special about Earth is it's ground zero for the new universal shift to a more balanced, heart centered, trinity consciousness; not an elimination of duality and polarity, but a balancing that will make it difficult or impossible for certain entities to subsist simply by feeding off the intense amount of excess misery generated by the current system. There could have been an original good Yahweh which was replaced by an impostor, or Yahweh always might have been bad news/had multiple personalities. There's a lot of evidence tying in this Yahweh, Yaldabaoth, archons stuff to what a lot of traditions call djinns, all pointing towards inorganic beings that are likely by my own theorization to be part of, like you said, some big bad artificial computer system or matrix that is very mechanistic and unloving that manipulates us into producing this misery in the quantities needed to sustain the entities.

[Infinite]

https://archive.org/stream/TheOnlyPlanet...e_djvu.txt

I have this book. Although I like some passages, I find distortions in the material. The main being the concept behind the title itself. The statement that Earth would be the only planet with the possibility of choice.

Regarding the Council, Ra spoke about two sources less distorted about: Mark Probert and Andrija Puharich.

I have a book of Probert called "The Coming of the Guardians", with teachings passed by the Council. It's a gold material from the 40's, the beginning of the UFO movement. From the beginning, the phenomena always was about spiritual not materilistic perspective as many materialistic ufologists claims. The concepts of the UFO's being thought-forms from etheric realms and density (as used by Ra) are explained in this book, a fact that suprised me.

About Purarich, I supposed Ra referred the Nine channeled by Dr. G. Vinod, an indian that worked with Andrija. Much of this material is available in the book "Uri - A Journal of the Mystery of Uri Geller". Andrija also worked with other mediums in contact with the Nine, as the itself Geller and the medium behind the book "The Only Planet of Choice".

Others sources about the Council are: "Briefing for the Landing on Planet Earth" by Stuart Holroyd, "The Only Planet of Choice" by Phyllis V. Schlemmer, "Two-Thirds" by David P Myers and "The Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch" by James J. Hurtak. However, I personally don't found these sources so pure as the two cited by Ra.

It's interesting to note that in many ancient cultures there was the concept of nine gods. I suppose mythology could be in part metaphors to the hero's journey of the soul towards the great work, but also historical records of a far past when the "gods" walked between us.

The Council of 9 is channeled from the Planet of Choice. In it, Tom the CHannel: says that the Council of 9 principle forces correspond to the Hebrew tradition of Elohim. Meaning YHVH. The same one mentioned in Genesis. Along with the genetic modification, now we know why "made in the Creator's Image" and "Children of God" applies.

The link to the Quo source claiming the same is sufficient, although Quo did not claim the Council of 9 was the same as the inner plane *(Agartha civs). It just claimed that the Council of 9 had an unusual relationship with them, whatever that meant.

Yes, according Q'uo the Nine are Yahweh. I have no certain. But it's possible. What I believe is the guardians which worked with martians are Yahweh. So, Yahweh is a social memory complex. Perhaps the members of the Council are not individuals beings, but representants of social memory complexs. As I said in previous answers, I belive the Council is composed by confederates and ascended masters (this is supported by Probert's informations and makes sense. Because they are responsible by the evolution in this planet due the fact they are the most evolved earthlings).

Via Journey of Souls, these would be the administrators of the soul incarnation system for 3rd density. They determine which bodies or lives newer souls get, corresponding to 1st, 2nd, 3rd density, as well as determining the membership of the Confederation. This seems a bit... orderly for what would naturally be a more free will spirit realm. But it is consistent with the Divine Plan system seen in Journey of Souls. A very orderly, but not hierarchical, organization.

I think this very natural.

There are also hints I have obtained that these elohim are what maintains the Illusion of Maya. Meaning, they are the ones who keep the stars, moon, and sun in correct cycles. Which astrologically, makes sense. This is the Fate system, for the Ring of Destiny, that is used to bypass time lines. The entire "time stream" has been planned out by the Makers ahead of time. They know all the variables.

The Veil of Maya, the forgetting, is maintained/created by Heyl-El. Their relationship to the elohim Divine Counsel is a bit murky. They have said Yeshua is on the Left hand of the Divine Godhead, and Heyl-El is on the Right hand, but that was only in so far as Heyl-El claimed the authority power of light and Yeshua had sound. Urgh, this human language block is harsh. Can't penetrate it.

Interesting infos. Where did you get that from?

That is quite a powerful automatic system, which some humans fear as they call it the "Control Matrix" system of the Lizzies. If only they knew...

And the 9 made sure to clarify matters by explaining they were Aeons. This is because Gnostic sources often called YHVH, Yaldaboath, the corrupt scion of Sophia. This seems... quirky and ironic.

It's really funny. The book in which I discovered some of the books I quoted above, has authorship a conspiracionist. He sees the Council as dictators, manipulators and racists. Thus, the corrupt Demiurge's theory, Archons, Earth as a prision planet, Saturn as a kind of source to hyperdimensional control, etc. are beliefs derivative of fear. It's natural to be paranoid and to be fear in the 3D. We fear the unknown, not only because we don't understand which is beyond the senses and the rational mind, but also because with the veil, we are walking in the dark.

[Black Dragon]

I get you on the whole fear from a 3d perspective thing, all the more prone if you have strong feelings about authority(like me for instance). I can't make a 100% call on whether there is something overtly dirty, deceptive, tyrannical, or STS about Yahweh(at least the original one who by the Ra material's description changed his name to Yod-Heh-Shin-Vau_Heh or some such after Orion did the whole impostor thing and claimed to be him). I can't make this call 100% regarding Saturn or the nine...they allegedly had a hand in Star Trek, and I do like me some Trek. Where my concerns come from is this energy of Saturn, Yahweh, and the council of nine does not seem very heart centered, like they have this mechanistic, mental/intellectual, dogmatic perception of what STO is, what is good for our development, and how we should be shaped and what we should become, and they will manipulate us in any underhanded way possible, good -cop- bad- cop us, do whatever they think it takes to reach their ends or their vision for us, nonmatter how miserable they make us.

It's all very taciturn, like we are just clay being shaped and processed to some end, f*** our feelings and happiness. I understand there must be some adversity to grow, but there needs to be a little love, lightness, and fun. Fun is way more FUNdamental to the red ray than most believe, giving us meaning and purpose. If they just make us all miserable and existentially depressed with this boot camp style stuff, how can we grow into anything authentic and heart centered? Is it that they aren't radiating much or any heart centered love, or is that that people like me who "accuse them" of this just can't receive or perceive it properly due to our own blockages and misunderstandings? Is it them that's just not understanding OUR perspective because they think they are so above it? Maybe an incarnation or two or 50 here on 3d Earth with the rest of us might clear things up a bit for them...

[unity100]

However one sees subdensities of 3d, they are still not at a level which they could enable an entity to exist in rings of Saturn, be it in physical plane, be it in astral plane. Astral existence also requires an environment.

Even if in time/space, the complementary astral portion of a subdensity would reflect the nature of the nature of its complementary physical portion.

I'm not really understanding your doubt. For example, even in astral plane someone can survive in outer space without problems. The time/space portion of 3D has not the same laws of space/time.

That's not correct - being able to pass from outer space while in disincarnate form does not enable someone to live in such a place.

Physical reality is a reflection/mirror of astral reality. They are counterparts. The necessities which entities have to manifest are reflected in analogues of those things in astral planes.

Laws in both planes are the same - except physicality in time/space is much lower, whereas ethereal-ness in space/time is much lower. They are two elongated/extended sides of the same thing.

Depends on the resulting density of the harvested entity which harvested itself.  A 3d entity which harvested itself may end up in 4d vibration. A 5d entity which harvested itself may end up in 5d vibration, or a higher vibration. It totally depends.

Of course. I was talking about a 3D entity ascended to 4D.

Such an entity would be early 4d vibration. It wouldnt be able to support higher octaves of 4d which are more fluid and ethereal.

[Infinite]

That's not correct - being able to pass from outer space while in disincarnate form does not enable someone to live in such a place.

Well, just check the literature about astral plane and astral project. There are beings which lives by centuries or even millennium in astral plane. I already projected my astral body to out of planet and I saw the planet on the outside.

Laws in both planes are the same - except physicality in time/space is much lower, whereas ethereal-ness in space/time is much lower. They are two elongated/extended sides of the same thing.

There are much less limitations.

Such an entity would be early 4d vibration. It wouldnt be able to support higher octaves of 4d which are more fluid and ethereal.

First of all, I will reiterate my belief that the Council inhabits the boundaries of third density, not the eight density. I have new possible evidences since my first answers on this thread.

The planet known as Saturn has a great affinity for the infinite intelligence and thus it has been dwelled upon in its magnetic fields of time/space by those who wish to protect your system. (30.14)

That indicates time/space of 3D. If it was of another density Ra would say which is.

29.19 Questioner: Then the black hole would be a point… am I correct in saying it would be a point at which the environmental material had succeeded in uniting with unity or the Creator? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The black hole which manifests third density is the physical complex manifestation of this spiritual or metaphysical state. This is correct.

With this, I suposse there are no 8D planets. So, makes no sense think in Saturn being of 8D. The only thing we can thought is the Council exist in the intelligent infinity area of the rings Saturn, and due this, they live in a state of unity of thought.

In second place:

17.34 Questioner: Well, then if an entity is harvested into fourth density with a grade, let’s say, of fifty-one percent for others, forty-nine percent for self, what level of the fourth density would he go into? I’m assuming there are different levels of the fourth density.

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Each enters the sub-density which vibrates in accordance with the entity’s understanding.

A master who penetrated the eight level of 3D will be more advanced than someone who was harvested with 51% of STO.

[unity100]

That's not correct - being able to pass from outer space while in disincarnate form does not enable someone to live in such a place.

Well, just check the literature about astral plane and astral project. There are beings which lives by centuries or even millennium in astral plane. I already projected my astral body to out of planet and I saw the planet on the outside.

Yeah, but you still stay in the vicinity of, and inside the influence of this planetary sphere.

First of all, I will reiterate my belief that the Council inhabits the boundaries of third density, not the eight density. I have new possible evidences since my first answers on this thread.

That's an indefinite statement to make. If sun does not have any particular density, 8d entities may not have any particular density in this octave. but then again, they are called 8d entities. So their density is then, 8th...

The planet known as Saturn has a great affinity for the infinite intelligence and thus it has been dwelled upon in its magnetic fields of time/space by those who wish to protect your system. (30.14)

That indicates time/space of 3D. If it was of another density Ra would say which is.

You must remember at this point that Ra dwells in the 5d of Earth's time/space as they said. Meaning the council would be in 8d of Saturn's time/space...

A master who penetrated the eight level of 3D will be more advanced than someone who was harvested with 51% of STO.

At this point you seem to be missing that the two things you mention there are exactly the same thing: 51% of 3d makes one reach 8d of 3d. Else one cannot graduate.

It doesnt matter whether this happens by entity somehow harvesting itself, or with the help of harvesters. What's done is to raise the entity's energy level as high as it can and see where it can reach in 3D spectrum.

Reaches 8th chakra, graduated. Doesnt, no graduation.

[Black Dragon]

Alright, so what's the real evidence about who these beings really are or their agenda? I see a lot of minutia regarding exactly what it takes to make harvest, which I see a lot of otherwise interesting threads turn into a discussion of...cool and all, but there's more than enough info on those topics, and it doesn't answer anything about these beings or their agenda. So what's to support that these are high 3d beings and not, for the sake of speculation, mid 6d, or even trans-octaval/ extra-universal beings(besides the fact that their principles and tactics are very mechanistic and not very enlightened, I'll give you that for a "higer 3d" theory).

If anyone has ever read "A Dweller on Two Planets" or "An Earth Dweller's Return", both late 19th/ early 20th century Atlantis and beyond gems, you know of this character "Terre" who is revealed to be Yahweh, and these books even say from the perspective of a "villain"(Mainin, a STS Atlantian priest who you love to hate in the first book, but understand as fully human and his reasons for going dark in the second) trying to redeem himself, that this being was a teacher and guardian in the "early days when yet we were freshly transferred from Mars", which coincides exactly with the Law of One material. This character of Yahweh acts very heartless and mechanistic in the books when he interferes and tweaks people in certain directions and then leaves them to die to the villain/unforeseen consequences, the way he references the incarnate being as sort of a machine in the second book, and much more. After reading the books, the villain Mainin I thought was a total jackass is a relatable human being, though very flawed, and Yahweh? Nothing but stone cold judgment and superiority. Nothing loving or relatable to that character, a puller of strings, a player of chess, a spoiled arm-chair judge who never knew the pain of Earth life, yet sits from his position of power and relative ease and comfort and passes judgment and pulls strings, that's it. A piece of worthless Authoritarian s*** like the kings and "leaders", the elite of our own world(which Yahweh had a hand in creating through selective breeding/genetic enhancement). From what I can gather, ad I hope I'm wrong... I think he's just a piece of s*** space gangster who needs a good Black League style ass whoopin', and a stern Babylon 5 style sermon of "GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR GALAXY!!!". These beings sound like inorganic "Archons" that are incapable of love. If you theorize or know otherwise, share...I would so love to be wrong on this. All a guardian means is you hold a certain piece of territory(like a mob boss). How enlightened you are and how well you treat the beings within the territory you are responsible for is a different story.

To end this on a note that's other than resentful, if there really is a "good Yahweh" that is capable of love, made mistakes, and wants to evolve, learn, make amends, clear his name, etc., he will find in me a staunch ally where there seems to be only the harshest of critics. It's by digging into these ugly things and finding the truth that we may be able to help him clear his name make those amends. I would be willing to seek and learn the truth and to share it.

[Infinite]

Yeah, but you still stay in the vicinity of, and inside the influence of this planetary sphere.

There are reports of projections to other planets. I suggest you check the book "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce.

That's an indefinite statement to make. If sun does not have any particular density, 8d entities may not have any particular density in this octave. but then again, they are called 8d entities. So their density is then, 8th...

The problem with Ra's terminology is that dimension not always means density. For example:

The remaining part of the cycle, we have never been gone from your fifth dimension and have been working in this last minor cycle to prepare for harvest.

(14.4)

That means fifth dimension of third density. Can you understand this statement? What I'm trying talking is the eighth dimension of Saturn is the itself third density of Saturn as a whole.

Also, octave not always means the octave of densities. For example:

The term density is a, what you would call, mathematical one. The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave. Within your great octave of existence which we share with you, there are seven octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, seven sub-sub-densities, and so on infinitely.

(16.51)

As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

(48.10)

So, "This Council is located in the octave, or eight[h] dimension, of the planet Saturn", means the Council is located in eighth dimension of the third density (also called an octave) of the planet Saturn.

You must remember at this point that Ra dwells in the 5d of Earth's time/space as they said. Meaning the council would be in 8d of Saturn's time/space...

As I said above, fifth dimension means fifth level of third density. The blue-ray or fifth density of Earth is in potentiation.

At this point you seem to be missing that the two things you mention there are exactly the same thing: 51% of 3d makes one reach 8d of 3d. Else one cannot graduate.

Yes. But what I meant is that the difference between a master who harvest itself and the entity which is harvested is the energy level. The harvesteable entitiy moved up your energies until the green-ray ray or heart chakra. The master moved up your energies until violet-ray or crown chakra, and penetrated the eighth level through its self effort. As Ra said here:

The adept will not simply be tapping into intelligent energy as a means of readiness for harvest but tapping into both intelligent energy and intelligent infinity for the purpose of transmuting planetary harvestability and consciousness.

(50.8)

[flofrog]

Thank you Infinte, there’s been definitely for Ra issues to sometimes adequately transfer the right term

[Black Dragon]

Thank you Infinte, there been definitely for Ra to sometimes adequately transfer the right term

I noticed this in certain things. Sometimes I wonder if some of the events with an approximate date(for example the destruction of Maldek and similar things) are off by plus or minus a zero or two, or even more because of mistranslation.

[flofrog]

Ra himself says that it’s difficult for him to transfer events in linear time

[Infinite]

Alright, so what's the real evidence about who these beings really are or their agenda?

No one without the abilities to go to them really knows. I particularly believe God is fair and, for this, the universe is fair. It wouldn't make sense to exist prision planets.

So what's to support that these are high 3d beings and not, for the sake of speculation, mid 6d, or even trans-octaval/ extra-universal beings(besides the fact that their principles and tactics are very mechanistic and not very enlightened, I'll give you that for a "higer 3d" theory).

Well, I don't take LOO as a gospel. But, I use the material as a base to informations beyond the rational evidences. Thus, joining the Ra's informations about the Council and the sources indicated by them, I came to the conclusions I exposed here.

If anyone has ever read "A Dweller on Two Planets" or "An Earth Dweller's Return", both late 19th/ early 20th century Atlantis and beyond gems, you know of this character "Terre" who is revealed to be Yahweh, and these books even say from the perspective of a "villain"(Mainin, a STS Atlantian priest who you love to hate in the first book, but understand as fully human and his reasons for going dark in the second) trying to redeem himself, that this being was a teacher and guardian in the "early days when yet we were freshly transferred from Mars", which coincides exactly with the Law of One material.

Hum. I already knew the first book by name. Thanks by information. But, where did you get "early days when yet we were freshly transferred from Mars" from?

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Reading the book "The Masters and The Path", by Charles Leadbeater, I remembered the description of Ra about the Council operation method:

The consciousness of the Great White Brotherhood is an indescribably wonderful thing. It is like a great calm shining ocean, so strangely one that the least thrill of consciousness flashes from end to end of it instantaneously, and yet to each member it seems to be absolutely his own individual consciousness, though with a weight and a power and a wisdom behind it that no single human consciousness could ever have. This magnificent sea of “cosmic consciousness” of the Brotherhood is something so great, so wonderful, that there is nothing else in the world like it: even those who belong to it by virtue of having passed the First Great Initiation can catch only glimpses of it, can remember only a little of it here and there. It can be felt fully only on the nirvanic plane, on which the Brotherhood primarily exists, though it has its manifestation on the lower planes, even down to the physical world.

As the band of pupils is all one in the Master, so is the Brotherhood all one in its Lord. The members may freely discuss a point among themselves, yet it is as though different aspects of a case presented themselves in the same mind, and were by that mind weighed one against the other; but one is all the time in the presence of a tremendous, an almost awful serenity, a certainty which nothing can ever disturb. And yet somehow in all that every suggestion is welcomed; indeed, there is the sensation that the whole Brotherhood is alertly and eagerly waiting for each individual’s contributions to the subject before it. There is nothing down here to which this consciousness can be adequately compared; to touch it is to come into contact with something new and strange, yet inexpressibly wonderful and beautiful, something which needs no evidence and no comparison, but asserts itself to be of a higher and unknown world.

Though individualities are so strangely merged in this, yet are they at the same time sharply separated, for the assent of each Brother is required to every decision of importance. The rule of the King is absolute, yet he carries his vast council with him, and is at every moment willing to consider any point that occurs to any member of it. But this great governing body differs utterly from any parliament of earth. Those who stand above the rest in positions of authority have not been elected, nor have they been appointed by some party organization; they hold their positions because they have won them—won them by superior development and greater wisdom. None doubts the decision of his superior, because he knows that he really is a superior—that he has greater insight and a fuller power to decide. There is, there can be, no shadow of compulsion that these Supermen shall think or act alike; yet is their confidence in their mighty organization so perfect that it is unthinkable that in the long run they should differ; it is only in the case of such a Brotherhood under such a King that we can fully realize the beautiful wording of one of the Collects of the Church of England: “In his service is perfect freedom.”

The Council operates by means of, what you would call, telepathic contact with the oneness or unity of the nine, the distortions blending harmoniously so that the Law of One prevails with ease. When a need for thought is present, the Council retains the distortion-complex of this need, balancing it as described, and then recommends what it considers as appropriate action.

(7.9)

[flofrog]

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Reading the book "The Masters and The Path", by Charles Leadbeater, I remembered the description of Ra about the Council operation method:

The consciousness of the Great White Brotherhood is an indescribably wonderful thing. It is like a great calm shining ocean, so strangely one that the least thrill of consciousness flashes from end to end of it instantaneously, and yet to each member it seems to be absolutely his own individual consciousness, though with a weight and a power and a wisdom behind it that no single human consciousness could ever have. This magnificent sea of “cosmic consciousness” of the Brotherhood is something so great, so wonderful, that there is nothing else in the world like it: even those who belong to it by virtue of having passed the First Great Initiation can catch only glimpses of it, can remember only a little of it here and there. It can be felt fully only on the nirvanic plane, on which the Brotherhood primarily exists, though it has its manifestation on the lower planes, even down to the physical world.

As the band of pupils is all one in the Master, so is the Brotherhood all one in its Lord. The members may freely discuss a point among themselves, yet it is as though different aspects of a case presented themselves in the same mind, and were by that mind weighed one against the other; but one is all the time in the presence of a tremendous, an almost awful serenity, a certainty which nothing can ever disturb. And yet somehow in all that every suggestion is welcomed; indeed, there is the sensation that the whole Brotherhood is alertly and eagerly waiting for each individual’s contributions to the subject before it. There is nothing down here to which this consciousness can be adequately compared; to touch it is to come into contact with something new and strange, yet inexpressibly wonderful and beautiful, something which needs no evidence and no comparison, but asserts itself to be of a higher and unknown world.

Though individualities are so strangely merged in this, yet are they at the same time sharply separated, for the assent of each Brother is required to every decision of importance. The rule of the King is absolute, yet he carries his vast council with him, and is at every moment willing to consider any point that occurs to any member of it. But this great governing body differs utterly from any parliament of earth. Those who stand above the rest in positions of authority have not been elected, nor have they been appointed by some party organization; they hold their positions because they have won them—won them by superior development and greater wisdom. None doubts the decision of his superior, because he knows that he really is a superior—that he has greater insight and a fuller power to decide. There is, there can be, no shadow of compulsion that these Supermen shall think or act alike; yet is their confidence in their mighty organization so perfect that it is unthinkable that in the long run they should differ; it is only in the case of such a Brotherhood under such a King that we can fully realize the beautiful wording of one of the Collects of the Church of England: “In his service is perfect freedom.”

The Council operates by means of, what you would call, telepathic contact with the oneness or unity of the nine, the distortions blending harmoniously so that the Law of One prevails with ease. When a need for thought is present, the Council retains the distortion-complex of this need, balancing it as described, and then recommends what it considers as appropriate action.

(7.9)

Whoa Infinite... beautiful

and
“In his service is perfect freedom.” Just reading that ignites some bliss

[Dtris]

I have to disagree that the Council of Saturn Exists in the 8th level of 3rd density. During the early parts of the LOO material Ra and Don both interchangeably used density and dimension. Later Ra explains that stars and planets are not mind/body/spirit complexes but exist in all densities simultaneously. The octave or eighth density would also be the 1st density of the next level. There are many sub densities and sub-sub densities but reaching the 8th level of would be the 1st level of the next. So 8th sub-density of 3rd density would also be the 1st sub-density of 4th density.

I think there is a lot of information about the council which was never provided since it wasn't asked. Ultimately I think the information is transient and not of particular importance. It can be fun to speculate though.

My best speculation is that since the term octave was used it means that in the sense of major densities. The council might very well be a product of the next octave, with the space provided by the Guardians who come from the next octave. Similar to student governments in high school.

The relationship of the Council of Saturn and the Confederation of Planets in Service of the One Infinite Creator is not clear. I could not find anything stating that the Council is the governing body of the Confederation. The Council is said to be over an area of our Space/Time and is also involved with decisions of Maldek and Mars. The Confederation is involved in seven of our "galaxies" but we know Ra used that term to refer to star systems like our own solar system as well as the larger galaxy as we commonly use the term. It is made of 57 or so member groups and given the high distribution of populated planets the star system meaning of Galaxy is most likely.

So the Council of Saturn is stated to be in charge of the 3rd density of our planet, and is also inferred to be in charge of the 3rd density of the solar system. No information was given to indicate that the Council operates outside of the solar system. It is also never stated that the Council members are also Confederation members.

So my view of the likely relationship would be,
1)The council is present in every star system which has inhabitable planets.
2)The council is maintained by higher Octave beings and the members are of our octave.
3)The council is responsible for the solar system in which it is located.
4)The council exists in the eight density, or the 1st density of the next octave.
5)The council is separate from the Confederation.
6)The council is formed from beings of higher densities as well as beings of the inner planes.

[Infinite]

During the early parts of the LOO material Ra and Don both interchangeably used density and dimension. Later Ra explains that stars and planets are not mind/body/spirit complexes but exist in all densities simultaneously.

Ra spoke this about stars (sub-Logoi and Logoi). Not about planets. The planets has density levels.

There are many sub densities and sub-sub densities but reaching the 8th level of would be the 1st level of the next. So 8th sub-density of 3rd density would also be the 1st sub-density of 4th density.

Yes. I agree. This is not against I spoke.

My best speculation is that since the term octave was used it means that in the sense of major densities. The council might very well be a product of the next octave, with the space provided by the Guardians who come from the next octave. Similar to student governments in high school.

This would make sense if there were no graduated earthlings (Ascended Masters) on the Council. And as the Council is formed also by Confederates, we would have to suposse there is entities from another octave of densities in Confederation.

It is also never stated that the Council members are also Confederation members.

The members of the Council are representatives from the Confederation AND from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density.

(7.9)

[unity100]

Yeah, but you still stay in the vicinity of, and inside the influence of this planetary sphere.

There are reports of projections to other planets. I suggest you check the book "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce.

If one wanders into the wilderness of spiritual literature, there's no end to what is possible. Id rather evaluate Ra material within Ra material as much as possible.

That's an indefinite statement to make. If sun does not have any particular density, 8d entities may not have any particular density in this octave. but then again, they are called 8d entities. So their density is then, 8th...

The problem with Ra's terminology is that dimension not always means density. For example:

The remaining part of the cycle, we have never been gone from your fifth dimension and have been working in this last minor cycle to prepare for harvest.

(14.4)

That means fifth dimension of third density. Can you understand this statement? What I'm trying talking is the eighth dimension of Saturn is the itself third density of Saturn as a whole.

...


So, "This Council is located in the octave, or eight[h] dimension, of the planet Saturn", means the Council is located in eighth dimension of the third density (also called an octave) of the planet Saturn.

That confirms my approach then: Since Ra is in 5th dimension of 3D astral, then the council would be in 8th dimension of 1d on Saturn's rings. Its not some place 3d entities can last.

At this point you seem to be missing that the two things you mention there are exactly the same thing: 51% of 3d makes one reach 8d of 3d. Else one cannot graduate.

Yes. But what I meant is that the difference between a master who harvest itself and the entity which is harvested is the energy level. The harvesteable entitiy moved up your energies until the green-ray ray or heart chakra. The master moved up your energies until violet-ray or crown chakra, and penetrated the eighth level through its self effort. As Ra said here:

The adept will not simply be tapping into intelligent energy as a means of readiness for harvest but tapping into both intelligent energy and intelligent infinity for the purpose of transmuting planetary harvestability and consciousness.

(50.8)

There does not need to be any fundamental difference in between an entity who harvested itself and an entity which was harvested by harvesters. There is no particular function which would make them any different. Entities' prowess in early 4d would depend on how far advanced in 4d vibrations they are, the development of their mind complex and their body complex.

Tapping intelligent infinity to affect planetary consciousness does not require being of 8d either.

[Infinite]

If one wanders into the wilderness of spiritual literature, there's no end to what is possible. Id rather evaluate Ra material within Ra material as much as possible.

I really don't remember if Ra said a 3D entity can't project itself to another planet. Remember I'm talking about travel through the time/space.

That confirms my approach then: Since Ra is in 5th dimension of 3D astral, then the council would be in 8th dimension of 1d on Saturn's rings. Its not some place 3d entities can last.

The 5th dimension of 3D is the representation of fifth density in our third density. That plane have been called devachanic or mental plane. About the last portion of your answer, I really don''t understand your doubt. A 3D Master can go to any dimension of third density as he/she is opened to intelligent infinity. But, I'm not even talking about 3D entities, but 4D entities who harvest themselves from our third density.

[AnthroHeart]

If one wanders into the wilderness of spiritual literature, there's no end to what is possible. Id rather evaluate Ra material within Ra material as much as possible.

I really don't remember if Ra said a 3D entity can't project itself to another planet. Remember I'm talking about travel through the time/space.

That confirms my approach then: Since Ra is in 5th dimension of 3D astral, then the council would be in 8th dimension of 1d on Saturn's rings. Its not some place 3d entities can last.

The 5th dimension of 3D is the representation of fifth density in our third density. That plane have been called devachanic or mental plane. About the last portion of your answer, I really don''t understand your doubt. A 3D Master can go to any dimension of third density as he/she is opened to intelligent infinity. But, I'm not even talking about 3D entities, but 4D entities who harvest themselves from our third density.

Question, would a STO master harvest themselves?
Usually they'd want to stay back and serve and then die naturally.

[Infinite]

Question, would a STO master harvest themselves?
Usually they'd want to stay back and serve and then die naturally.

As Ra said, they don't cess the incarnation immediately after penetrate intelligent infinity. But remains incarnated to serve others. After the death of chemical 3D body, they will act from time/space fields of Earth to serve others.

The opening of the crown center takes place in flashes. It is a time when one's body opens for the soul to merge with the absolute. Most practitioners decide to continue to live until their allotted time on earth is finished. They want to impart the knowledge they have gained to others. This could be for two reasons: either they love everyone unconditionally and want to help them achieve liberation, or  they do not want to leave any reason for returning to earth in further incarnations.

Source: "The Kundalini Book of Living and Dying Gateways to Higher Consciousness" by Ravindra Kumar.

[unity100]

If one wanders into the wilderness of spiritual literature, there's no end to what is possible. Id rather evaluate Ra material within Ra material as much as possible.

I really don't remember if Ra said a 3D entity can't project itself to another planet. Remember I'm talking about travel through the time/space.

Astral projection could be possible. But it should be rare. Otherwise there wouldnt be any need for Yahweh to put the Martian spirits into bodies just to transport them to Earth.

Physical presence is not possible.

That confirms my approach then: Since Ra is in 5th dimension of 3D astral, then the council would be in 8th dimension of 1d on Saturn's rings. Its not some place 3d entities can last.

The 5th dimension of 3D is the representation of fifth density in our third density. That plane have been called devachanic or mental plane. About the last portion of your answer, I really don''t understand your doubt.

5th of 3d is blue suboctave of 3d which is related to communication and knowledge. It is not related to 5D, neither it is a representation of it.

A 3D Master can go to any dimension of third density as he/she is opened to intelligent infinity

Material notes that travel by thought starts from late 4D. Its not something of 3d or early 4d.

But, I'm not even talking about 3D entities, but 4D entities who harvest themselves from our third density.

In lieu of the existing, innumerable volumes of spiritualist literature claiming otherwise, according to Ra material a newly harvested 4d entity is still a late 3d entity. It is an entity which just touched intelligent infinity for a while. 'Mastering' in this context is something that relates to one mastering the maturity of its own 3d personality, in mind, body and spirit and maturing enough to vibrate in end 3d and early 4d. Its not a magical 'mastery' that enables the person to do superhuman things.

Which, s/he couldnt anyway since 3d physical body would not be capable of handling any such thing.

Even the intelligent infinity contact is not permanent - it is but a blink. Impactful, unforgettable, but a moment's blink. Because neither the spirit/mind complex of the entity nor the body can withstand continued contact with intelligent infinity.

[Infinite]

Astral projection could be possible. But it should be rare. Otherwise there wouldnt be any need for Yahweh to put the Martian spirits into bodies just to transport them to Earth.

Physical presence is not possible.

Yes, but they are different things. Astral projection is temporary. The entity continues to belong to Earth.

5th of 3d is blue suboctave of 3d which is related to communication and knowledge. It is not related to 5D, neither it is a representation of it.

Within a density there are seven sub-densities. These seven sub-densities, which are also representations of the 7 rays, are the planes / dimensions of the Earth.

Just as our subtle bodies are analogous to the bodies that will be used in the next densities, the inner planes of the Earth are analogous to the next densities. Therefore, the green ray layer is the astral plane, analogous to 4D. The blue ray layer, the devanic or mental plane, analogous to 5D. In fact, the traditional description of this plane is the same description that Ra gave to the fifth density: functioning only by thought. They are similar, although the true color don't be the same.

Material notes that travel by thought starts from late 4D. Its not something of 3d or early 4d.

I am saying that an entity that has mastered this density can manifest itself in any plane of it. This is well known in esoteric traditions. Ra spoke of this too:

However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

(48.10)

In lieu of the existing, innumerable volumes of spiritualist literature claiming otherwise, according to Ra material a newly harvested 4d entity is still a late 3d entity. It is an entity which just touched intelligent infinity for a while. 'Mastering' in this context is something that relates to one mastering the maturity of its own 3d personality, in mind, body and spirit and maturing enough to vibrate in end 3d and early 4d. Its not a magical 'mastery' that enables the person to do superhuman things.

Well, I disagree. Hindu traditions speak of many skills (siddhis) of someone whose kundalini has risen completely. The entity becomes a god in this dimension.

Which, s/he couldnt anyway since 3d physical body would not be capable of handling any such thing.

Are you aware that I am not saying that it is the yellow-ray body that goes to these places, right? The bodies used are others. Ra also spoke of the adept's use of the most advanced bodies, the indigo and violet ray. Also spoke about the possiblity of a 3D entity build a pyramid as they did.

Even the intelligent infinity contact is not permanent - it is but a blink. Impactful, unforgettable, but a moment's blink. Because neither the spirit/mind complex of the entity nor the body can withstand continued contact with intelligent infinity.

This is a cloudy area. But there is information in the Hindu tradition about a state called Sahaja Samadhi. In this state, a person remains merged with the Creator in consciousness even when performing daily tasks. It is the most advanced state possible in yoga.

[Black Dragon]

I think that there are multiple STO organizations interacting with us that have basically the same agenda, but differing methods and means. The main three I've identified are the Confederation, the Council(if indeed they are STO, which a lot of evidence supports, yet shows what I consider questionable methodology and some distortion), and the "Association of Worlds" (Sassani, Pleiadians, etc.) and others with them, that comprise a lot of the "newer"(to us at least) races that are bringing some much needed fresh perspectives into the mix.

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you BD.

I have started working with Pleiadian energy.
It's more distorted than pure Intelligent Infinity, but more personable.
I did work with them a little, and they turned me back to Intelligent Infinity
giving me t he thought that I shouldn't just depend on them.
That Intelligent Infinity is who we truly are.

[Black Dragon]

Thank you BD.

I have started working with Pleiadian energy.
It's more distorted than pure Intelligent Infinity, but more personable.
I did work with them a little, and they turned me back to Intelligent Infinity
giving me t he thought that I shouldn't just depend on them.
That Intelligent Infinity is who we truly are.

I'm still dealing with my own stuff at the moment, so not really actively/consciously "working" with anybody so to speak(the feelings of abandonment and resentment about contact being a blockage), but there are definitely some influences in my life, and I have a feeling it is a large variety, including some of the really new and more obscure contact energies that are yet pretty much unheard of or rarely encountered. I'm pretty close to clearing a good amount of that up, so hopefully I'll have something exciting to share about contact some time. One of the energies at the forefront of the influences in my life is definitely Pleiadean. An energy worker did some work including Reiki, matrix, and multi-dimensional work a few years back, and wrote down some stuff I should check out,mostly stuff that sort of jived morphically with me. One of the things was "Pleiades". Some amateur pendulum work done when I was in a fairly undistorted state affirmed Pleiadean contact in childhood, and also said they are the first group that will start making contact and working with me in the future.

I'll have to find the sheet where I did who contacted me at what timeframes from 3-10 or 12ish until the contact stopped. I broke it into three categories(3-5, 5-8, and 8-12 years old for ages/timeframe), a box next to each for all the groups involved within that time frame, then one for frequency of contact, and whether it did or did not involve a craft. The other sheet I used to fill in the boxes was a sheet of star systems generally alleged/considered to be in contact with earth and that have reported encounters. for each timeframe I went through the whole list of systems for yes or no of what groups contacted me in that timeframe, how many times, and craft or no craft. It would be interesting to look back over it and share. Pleiadeans were in the 5-8 timeframe, as well as Andromedans and some others. That timeframe only had one encounter that did not involve a craft, so all of those groups must have been acting together in that one event.

There's some more obscure ones, the main I can remember is Boötes. Sirians and Lyrans as well. I don't know if mantis type beings are from one of the places on my list, but I feel some sort of interest or connection there.

[unity100]

Astral projection could be possible. But it should be rare. Otherwise there wouldnt be any need for Yahweh to put the Martian spirits into bodies just to transport them to Earth.

Physical presence is not possible.

Yes, but they are different things. Astral projection is temporary. The entity continues to belong to Earth.

Leaving aside that 'astral projection' is merely being present in astral plane, just like how entities are when disincarnate, the bold part is the determining part.

The entity was given to earth for the time being, and it exists as part of earth's experiental sphere. From its mind complex to its body complex, including the astral parts of those, belong to earth's experience. And there isnt any 3d equivalents of those in Saturn, anywhere.

5th of 3d is blue suboctave of 3d which is related to communication and knowledge. It is not related to 5D, neither it is a representation of it.

Within a density there are seven sub-densities. These seven sub-densities, which are also representations of the 7 rays, are the planes / dimensions of the Earth.

Just as our subtle bodies are analogous to the bodies that will be used in the next densities, the inner planes of the Earth are analogous to the next densities. Therefore, the green ray layer is the astral plane, analogous to 4D. The blue ray layer, the devanic or mental plane, analogous to 5D. In fact, the traditional description of this plane is the same description that Ra gave to the fifth density: functioning only by thought. They are similar, although the true color don't be the same.

Analogous doesnt mean the same. You have a 5th chakra, a 4th chakra, you have blue and green energies, and are you able to travel by thought yet in this early 4d planet?

No.

Sub densities carry the meaning of the full densities which carry the emphasized full meaning of a ray. They are not those subdensities.

Material notes that travel by thought starts from late 4D. Its not something of 3d or early 4d.

I am saying that an entity that has mastered this density can manifest itself in any plane of it. This is well known in esoteric traditions. Ra spoke of this too:

World's historic religious mythology and last 40 years' spiritualist literature do not enable any such thing, im afraid.

However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.
(48.10)

That was not about 3d entities. Even Ra in 6d have to create an external construct to use as vehicle to concentrate their mind and carry their body when they are traveling by thought. A 3d body would not be able to withstand any such concentration and energy in any way.

Have you seen anyone in 3d who has been able to create an external shell to encase his body to travel by thought to somewhere yet...

Well, I disagree. Hindu traditions speak of many skills (siddhis) of someone whose kundalini has risen completely. The entity becomes a god in this dimension.

Many such personas 'exist' in deep history of last 2000 years, based on hearsay and mythology. And yet we are to see one in the past few hundred years.

Ra explicitly says that such a happening would enable someone to live like a god, and therefore even 6d wanderers incarnate into normal 3d bodies which tie their potential into 3d reality.

Are you aware that I am not saying that it is the yellow-ray body that goes to these places, right? The bodies used are others. Ra also spoke of the adept's use of the most advanced bodies, the indigo and violet ray.

Indigo body for a 3d entity is activated after death. Entity cannot stand in it for long duration. If he could, it practically would be a 6d compatible entity and it would live in 6d instead. Unless it would want to incarnate as a wanderer, then it would still incarnate into an actual 3d body.

This is before the fact that these bodies can comfortably described as being pretty much more etherical than physical. Though they are both etherical and physical.

Also spoke about the possiblity of a 3D entity build a pyramid as they did

I dont remember any such Q/A. If you are talking about Imhotep, he was a normal 3d architect and he was declared a god by Egyptians after the pyramids were revealed. He didnt have anything to do with them.

This is a cloudy area. But there is information in the Hindu tradition about a state called Sahaja Samadhi. In this state, a person remains merged with the Creator in consciousness even when performing daily tasks. It is the most advanced state possible in yoga.

Leaving aside that this is a religious matter and it is that religion's own mythology or understanding, even if an entity remained in 3d while its top chakras of 3d being active, this still would not mean an unhampered channeling of infinite energy as you describe.

[Infinite]

unity100, I will end this discussion, because it seems to me that it will not get us anywhere. I have my distortions of understanding about LOO and the reality itself. You have yours. And I absolutely respect that. These are my last answers:

Leaving aside that 'astral projection' is merely being present in astral plane, just like how entities are when disincarnate, the bold part is the determining part.

The entity was given to earth for the time being, and it exists as part of earth's experiental sphere. From its mind complex to its body complex, including the astral parts of those, belong to earth's experience. And there isnt any 3d equivalents of those in Saturn, anywhere.

Realize that this is a distortion of my initial argument in which I invoked the question of astral projection. My argument has always been: an entity can live in outer space while being in other bodies, because the laws of the other dimensions are different from the laws of the physical plane. That is, a 4D entity may well live in a time / space dimension of Saturn.

Analogous doesnt mean the same. You have a 5th chakra, a 4th chakra, you have blue and green energies, and are you able to travel by thought yet in this early 4d planet?

No.

Sub densities carry the meaning of the full densities which carry the emphasized full meaning of a ray. They are not those subdensities.

As I said, just as our bodies are analogous to bodies of higher densities, so do the Earth's planes beyond our physical plan. I also made it clear that they are just similar, the true colors being higher expressions of those rays.

World's historic religious mythology and last 40 years' spiritualist literature do not enable any such thing, im afraid.

Well, in that case you ignore everything that is not the The Ra material. This is taking the material as a gospel.

That was not about 3d entities.

It's clearly about 3D entities, but it was my fault for not posting the entire excerpt:

48.10 Questioner: Could you tell me how the various bodies, red through violet, are linked to the energy center, centers, red through violet? Are they linked in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

Have you seen anyone in 3d who has been able to create an external shell to encase his body to travel by thought to somewhere yet...

In Theosophy it's said that masters can temporarily materialize (thought forms) or even build physical bodies to come to Earth.

Many such personas 'exist' in deep history of last 2000 years, based on hearsay and mythology. And yet we are to see one in the past few hundred years.

The reasons are the same as for the Confederation. The masters says they cannot reveal themselves because the world needs to run its course without interference. They act only in terrestrial time / space.

Ra explicitly says that such a happening would enable someone to live like a god, and therefore even 6d wanderers incarnate into normal 3d bodies which tie their potential into 3d reality.

Well, the masters seem to me to be 4D entities. But even so, apparently Ra was referring to using bodies of native densities.

Indigo body for a 3d entity is activated after death. Entity cannot stand in it for long duration.

The indigo-ray body may be used by the healer once the healer becomes able to place its consciousness in this etheric state. The violet-ray or Buddhic body is of equal efficacy to the healer for within it lies a sense of wholeness which is extremely close to unity with all that there is. These bodies are part of each entity and the proper use of them and understanding of them is, though far advanced from the standpoint of third-density harvest, nevertheless useful to the adept

.(47.8)

As a ray is mastered, the 3D entity can freely use the skills at that level. Esoteric traditions say that adepts and teachers live on the highest planes on Earth. That is, they use these higher bodies.

If he could, it practically would be a 6d compatible entity and it would live in 6d instead.

In reality, the body of the indigo ray is only analogous to the body of the 6D. It is still part of the true yellow color. So the skills are much less than the sixth density body itself. This body is only activated during graduation to 6D.

I dont remember any such Q/A.

3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives, and is the Law of One, such things as the building of a pyramid by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand? Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains. The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

Leaving aside that this is a religious matter and it is that religion's own mythology or understanding, even if an entity remained in 3d while its top chakras of 3d being active, this still would not mean an unhampered channeling of infinite energy as you describe.

But that is not what I said. I just said that some traditions speak of the state of permanent fusion with intelligent infinity.

[Infinite]

As I said, just as our bodies are analogous to bodies of higher densities, so do the Earth's planes beyond our physical plan. I also made it clear that they are just similar, the true colors being higher expressions of those rays.

I had forgotten that answer from Ra. They said that before incarnation, in Earth time / space, Wanderers inhabit the colors corresponding to their original densities. In other words, as I said before, it is my understanding that the inner planes of the earth are representations / analogous to the densities beyond the third:

The entity, before incarnation, dwells in the appropriate, shall we say, place in time/space. The true color type of this location will be dependent upon the entity’s needs. Those entities, for instance which, being Wanderers, have the green, blue, or indigo true-color core of mind/body/spirit complex will have rested therein.

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