On Russia Ukraine relations.

[Cyan]

I'd like to hear peoples feelings on the situation and how its developing. My current fear is that the conflict seems from a spiritual point of view, to be very determined to go wrong. Thats all from me, anyone close to the situation with some opinions we could talk about?

[Cyan]

If anyone wants I'll write out a short summary of things going wrong on both sides and what I've observed them to be talking about while not officially admitting it but I think that maybe a bit heavy for the convo at hand.

[AnthroHeart]

I just read that Russia created a nuclear bomb that cannot be destroyed.
I don't know how that makes their relationship with the US work either.

[smiLie]

I am pretty close to the situation;

Feelings is the wrong terminology. Propaganda wants you to use feelings instead of brains , because feelings are easily manipulated by it. They don't want you to use brain in ANALYSIS, as what they put up doesn't stand well to analysis.

Ukraine , several times by the way, was one of those Colored Revolutions, which is an over-through of legitimate government by finances and using forces outside of the country.

Just like Georgia , another colored revolution, it is designed to go against Russia.

Somewhere, somebody is very, very afraid of the russians. And they better be, there's a reason.

Let's put it this way. Russia is one of the last countries that is staying between dark, STS forces and their World Domination.

[Cyan]

I just read that Russia created a nuclear bomb that cannot be destroyed.
I don't know how that makes their relationship with the US work either.

I've heard of Russian nuclear developements as well but no missile is undestroyable and every ship has a weakness, the strongest russian nuke Ive heard of is a 100 megaton torpedo designed to be detonated slightly under water in major harbors to create a radioactive tsunami inland and destroy a city with radiation but leave it otherwise habitable.

In short:

Ukraine had a pro russia government
It was overthrown in a popular coup the russians dont respect
New government attempted to join EU and NATO as soon as possible
Was also overthrown
Around this time russia hosts a referendum in crimea about independecence, staying with ukraine, or becoming a part of russia, they vote overwhelmingly to become part of russia, the world in geenral does not consider this a fair election.
There are times when a pro russian government and times when a pro west government are in power in ukraine.
Around the same time separatists start organizing military situations in the east
Ukrainian government responds and gets dragged into a guerilla war in the east
All the while Russia says that the colored overthrow of Ukraine was wrong while supporting a similarly wrong policy of annexing ukraine and supporting the separatists.

In short the official timeline seems to be two superpowers using actual weapons to fight a war.

Behind the scenes it seems to me that they are discussing minority rights and both parties wants to be the one that gets the children on their side but neitehr seems to be good to them.

[smiLie]

Cyan, you have no idea.

First off, there's russian population everywhere in Ukraine. Nikita Khrushchev in the 1970-ies, and Lenin in 1920-ies gave majority of the Ukrainian territory to the "Ukraine", from Russian Soviet Socialist Republic. No such country as "Ukraine" ever existed.

Ukraine came from russian word for "okraina", or "bordering land".

Crimea is not only 85%+ russian population, it was forever russian territory. What NATO forces wanted is to control of the Black Sea via kicking russian fleet from the Black Sea. Crimea has several russian military bases, naturally, as it is nothing but russians there. Crimean referendum was as legit OR MORE as any american election.

"New government" could not possibly join anything after the west overthrew legitimate president. EU or NATO rules are not that simple and they won't allow just about anyone to join. Otherwise, Zimbabwe and Rwanda also want to join? It's an empty rhetoric.

>> Ukrainian government responds and gets dragged into a guerilla war in the east
There's no legit government in Ukraine, it is a junta. Naturally, russians in the east fight western-financed junta , basically for their freedom, on their own land.

CIA propaganda is pretty poor.
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Ships is a funny story, as now russians have missiles that can what... maybe 3-4 missiles sink the aircraft carrier? Aircraft Carriers are now obsolete. US and NATO generals (why are there 2000 generals and 2000 admirals when there's no large war??? of course, they want one.. but I digress) are really not happy, they want winning wars (medals), not losing ones.

[Cyan]

Disagree on several points, thought the gist of it seems to be the russian sides view that they can take back territory they gave to a sovreign state. Makes me wonder when they'll hold a referendum in alaska, palin maybe a harder opponent than ol petrol.

[smiLie]

Who controls territories is not that important, as long as there's peace.

This is what NATO and western-financed forces don't understand. They only understand one doctrine, "we own everything".

It is now a giant mess. Of course, a bunch of people , such as strongly anti-russian biased Zbig Bzerzhinski and his "The grand Chess Board" opus , which shows him in all flying colors....wanted a mess there.

The subject is also similar to the book "Confessions of Economic Hitmen". Both books I strongly recommend to read. (edit, or here's the youtube video short version, or long version)

It is how you take over a country completely. The way it works is this:
1) You print school books for the kids to brainwash them first. Come up with a history about "it's all your neighbor's fault".
2) You create a fake language that was not the real language or that is different from the language of the people you want to separate this "country" from**
3) You create a mess via a Colored Revolution
4) of course, "only to help" you provide financial "help" that puts country forever into debt servitude
5) then take over strategic companies such as electrical companies, gas, etc. , of course , "to help". Then you collapse and/or replace existing energy infrastructure with your own and charge arm and leg ...with kickbacks to a few existing oligarchs.
6) then you introduce your own symbolism where none existed , such as Catholic Christmas, and latin letters of the alphabet
A few years later, complete country take-over is complete.

Lather, rinse, repeat in 20 other countries.

Enjoy.
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** - you need a different language because this way formerly highly skilled and qualified engineers, scientists and educators all of a sudden need to re-educate themselves, there's no manuals, no tech . specifications, no good science books etc. in the new language. That way next generation that studies in schools becomes barely educated , so that they can't themselves control power plants and other highly complex engineering structures. You just created a Rwanda. Then, of course, big billion dollar corporations come in and of course, they sell their own. Finishing a country that, in one generation, went from complete independence to complete dependence.

Evil hides itself well, and it may not be on the side you think it is.

[smiLie]

Quick, 2.5 min cartoon
Economic Hitmen Cartoon [HD]