12-25-2018, 08:44 PM
I am looking for clarification and insight from forum members as extensions of myself hoping I will find some reconciliation in this manner.
Firstly I met the LOO material about 8 years ago and have regarded it the purest "truth" we have access to, at least what I have found, and I've done a LOT of seeking, before and since.
So on one hand we have the densities and souls each at their own vibration falling into one of the densities, and we have wanderers to make it a bit more complicated, not to mention guardians from other octaves.
My big question is how do the following tie into this "system of densities" and also, separately, with the steps of light as a separate concept.
1. Enlightenment. Is this experience exclusive to 3D, in if so is it a necessary attainment / experience before a soul can graduate into 4D / tolerate 4D intensity love/light?
By enlightenment here I mean that 1 split second revelational insight that is the result of the complete dissolution of the ego (no as a nefarious PART of the self but as the very self, our one's sense of self) which knocks you off your feet and you have to process it for years afterwards, which results in loss of fear of death and all suffering. The experience that, after years of peeling off parts of the self, including layers of mind, dodging all its tricks and deception for the ego trying to survive, finally hits you as the final and ultimate Truth. That kind of enlightenment,
I assume after the experience you become an empty vessel for the love of the Creator to flow through you? So how does this tie in with the above 2?
To go with this point I would like to add the possibility that the entire LOO material is a created reality brought into existence by the minds of Carla, Don and Jim, in line with "the Universe is a genie", "you create your reality", "the Secret aka the Law of Attraction". I recall Ra making references to this possibility, at least that was my interpretation, and I don't mean where they say that they manifest as different type of answer to different types of calls. I mean as in confirming that they and the whole conversation was a construct of the 3 minds, those of Ra being extensions of their own selves, not in the same sense as higher self, like the higher self stuff is part of the mental construct, but then is there not a 6D where the HS helps from? This is where I get confused now. In this sense enlightenment is more tied in with the buddhist notion of breaking the wheel of incarnation.
So is it possible that those of Ra are members of old Venutian race who never achieved enlightenment but "outgrew" 3D consciousness and therefore their minds created for themselves this worldview of densities that they're sharing as their truth, and the 3 wanderers sharing the same consciousness will channel this because this is their truth? Or does enlightenment simply result in a natural surfacing of unconditional love which simply means the end of having to reincarnate in 3D?
That's another point I have never been able to reconcile, in the CU books some patients regressed to their most immediate past life (the subconscious aka the HS knows which one to give) will recount being part of the all, and a knowledge that they're only here for one incarnation only, and are immune to accumulation of karmic debt. This is extremely rare. Somewhat less rare but still very rare are souls who come from other soul groups to experience being human and then report back, also for 1 incarnation, also free of karma. Apart from no such being mentioned by Ra one has to wonder, how much awareness and freedom does the departing soul have? Ra's recounting does not allow much space for souls looking back saying "that was fun, let's do this on another planet". Or I'm going back to source right now. If you see the steps of light, see it as an obstacle your mind has put before you as a test, so maybe you need some genius move, say dull all the steps, and swoosh along them quick without feeling, visualise the source at the end and plunge into it with the picture of complete self-dissolution in mind. Would that not work, or would it be temporary like an experience of hell for religious believers? Then be cast out back in awareness and realise I have no free will to merge back, I am forced to take the multi-million-year evolutionary road back home? I know the soul sees the big picture and the Creator experiencing itself through it and so it has the desire to help, but is this being so black-and-white really the only possibility?
Anyone have an idea if enlightenment can be the ultimate mind trick, that exists as a failsafe in case a soul will just not stop searching and meditating therefore losing precious incarnation time using EXPERIENCE for advancement towards unconditional love? How would that work if one never worries about anything again and is just automatically "loving" towards everyone. And by the way, if you're empty and it's the Creator's love, isn't it supposed to be your skill of loving unconditionally in ratio of your past efforts in the more or less hard experiences you chose before your lives to develop in?
Sorry if I made this point too complex, the whole issue surrounding enlightenment is the most complex in mind mind when trying to reconcile with densities and steps of light. Moving on.
2. The Secret aka the Law of Attraction aka you create your own reality, the basic principle behind schools of magick.
There is no denying there is such a force in place, along with accompanying phenomena like sinchronicities. I can reconcile this one with enlightenment as a setup in the Universe for the mind to use, as a tool to distract itself as far and deep as it wants to and as a way to figure out "what I really want" and "who am I truly". But how would you reconcile something as potent a creative force as this with something as rigid as the system of densities?
3. Lucid dreaming (or astral projection) and psychedelics as tools to explore beyond all human boundaries, thereby allowing the mind to develop a childishly creative ability to create that is similar to the effects of living the Secret. Furthermore psychedelics are considered by spiritual people as an unhealthy shortcut to ego dissolution, as you never worked for the results. Obviously the existence and presence on our planet of these substances can not be considered to be an accident by anyone "awake" in any school of thought including LOO proponents. I personally like Terence McKenna's alien origin explanation. Any thoughts on that? Would that be just "advertising" as UFO appearances and crop circles?
4. An important question, which is why I did not simply thrown it together with everything else under enlightenment. Does enlightenment tie in with followers of the negative path at all? If so, how? What does such an experience mean to someone who has been trying to love exclusively the self. If it doesn't tie in, what happens if a psychedelic like 5-MAO is forced upon such an individual, forcing that person to experience the unity of all creation? Or maybe is there a "negative enlightenment" experience, regardless of the means of experiencing, resulting from simply the "choice" of the experiencer? How about in the case of someone undecided? Would there be an unfair sway in one of the two directions? How does this thing work?
There was going to be more but it's running late here so this'll be the first half of in and see how it goes, please share your thoughts, anything you might think relevant, even if you don't think it's a great idea, one man's trash another man's treasure. Thanks.
Firstly I met the LOO material about 8 years ago and have regarded it the purest "truth" we have access to, at least what I have found, and I've done a LOT of seeking, before and since.
So on one hand we have the densities and souls each at their own vibration falling into one of the densities, and we have wanderers to make it a bit more complicated, not to mention guardians from other octaves.
My big question is how do the following tie into this "system of densities" and also, separately, with the steps of light as a separate concept.
1. Enlightenment. Is this experience exclusive to 3D, in if so is it a necessary attainment / experience before a soul can graduate into 4D / tolerate 4D intensity love/light?
By enlightenment here I mean that 1 split second revelational insight that is the result of the complete dissolution of the ego (no as a nefarious PART of the self but as the very self, our one's sense of self) which knocks you off your feet and you have to process it for years afterwards, which results in loss of fear of death and all suffering. The experience that, after years of peeling off parts of the self, including layers of mind, dodging all its tricks and deception for the ego trying to survive, finally hits you as the final and ultimate Truth. That kind of enlightenment,
I assume after the experience you become an empty vessel for the love of the Creator to flow through you? So how does this tie in with the above 2?
To go with this point I would like to add the possibility that the entire LOO material is a created reality brought into existence by the minds of Carla, Don and Jim, in line with "the Universe is a genie", "you create your reality", "the Secret aka the Law of Attraction". I recall Ra making references to this possibility, at least that was my interpretation, and I don't mean where they say that they manifest as different type of answer to different types of calls. I mean as in confirming that they and the whole conversation was a construct of the 3 minds, those of Ra being extensions of their own selves, not in the same sense as higher self, like the higher self stuff is part of the mental construct, but then is there not a 6D where the HS helps from? This is where I get confused now. In this sense enlightenment is more tied in with the buddhist notion of breaking the wheel of incarnation.
So is it possible that those of Ra are members of old Venutian race who never achieved enlightenment but "outgrew" 3D consciousness and therefore their minds created for themselves this worldview of densities that they're sharing as their truth, and the 3 wanderers sharing the same consciousness will channel this because this is their truth? Or does enlightenment simply result in a natural surfacing of unconditional love which simply means the end of having to reincarnate in 3D?
That's another point I have never been able to reconcile, in the CU books some patients regressed to their most immediate past life (the subconscious aka the HS knows which one to give) will recount being part of the all, and a knowledge that they're only here for one incarnation only, and are immune to accumulation of karmic debt. This is extremely rare. Somewhat less rare but still very rare are souls who come from other soul groups to experience being human and then report back, also for 1 incarnation, also free of karma. Apart from no such being mentioned by Ra one has to wonder, how much awareness and freedom does the departing soul have? Ra's recounting does not allow much space for souls looking back saying "that was fun, let's do this on another planet". Or I'm going back to source right now. If you see the steps of light, see it as an obstacle your mind has put before you as a test, so maybe you need some genius move, say dull all the steps, and swoosh along them quick without feeling, visualise the source at the end and plunge into it with the picture of complete self-dissolution in mind. Would that not work, or would it be temporary like an experience of hell for religious believers? Then be cast out back in awareness and realise I have no free will to merge back, I am forced to take the multi-million-year evolutionary road back home? I know the soul sees the big picture and the Creator experiencing itself through it and so it has the desire to help, but is this being so black-and-white really the only possibility?
Anyone have an idea if enlightenment can be the ultimate mind trick, that exists as a failsafe in case a soul will just not stop searching and meditating therefore losing precious incarnation time using EXPERIENCE for advancement towards unconditional love? How would that work if one never worries about anything again and is just automatically "loving" towards everyone. And by the way, if you're empty and it's the Creator's love, isn't it supposed to be your skill of loving unconditionally in ratio of your past efforts in the more or less hard experiences you chose before your lives to develop in?
Sorry if I made this point too complex, the whole issue surrounding enlightenment is the most complex in mind mind when trying to reconcile with densities and steps of light. Moving on.
2. The Secret aka the Law of Attraction aka you create your own reality, the basic principle behind schools of magick.
There is no denying there is such a force in place, along with accompanying phenomena like sinchronicities. I can reconcile this one with enlightenment as a setup in the Universe for the mind to use, as a tool to distract itself as far and deep as it wants to and as a way to figure out "what I really want" and "who am I truly". But how would you reconcile something as potent a creative force as this with something as rigid as the system of densities?
3. Lucid dreaming (or astral projection) and psychedelics as tools to explore beyond all human boundaries, thereby allowing the mind to develop a childishly creative ability to create that is similar to the effects of living the Secret. Furthermore psychedelics are considered by spiritual people as an unhealthy shortcut to ego dissolution, as you never worked for the results. Obviously the existence and presence on our planet of these substances can not be considered to be an accident by anyone "awake" in any school of thought including LOO proponents. I personally like Terence McKenna's alien origin explanation. Any thoughts on that? Would that be just "advertising" as UFO appearances and crop circles?
4. An important question, which is why I did not simply thrown it together with everything else under enlightenment. Does enlightenment tie in with followers of the negative path at all? If so, how? What does such an experience mean to someone who has been trying to love exclusively the self. If it doesn't tie in, what happens if a psychedelic like 5-MAO is forced upon such an individual, forcing that person to experience the unity of all creation? Or maybe is there a "negative enlightenment" experience, regardless of the means of experiencing, resulting from simply the "choice" of the experiencer? How about in the case of someone undecided? Would there be an unfair sway in one of the two directions? How does this thing work?
There was going to be more but it's running late here so this'll be the first half of in and see how it goes, please share your thoughts, anything you might think relevant, even if you don't think it's a great idea, one man's trash another man's treasure. Thanks.
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