The influences of Lucifer and Ahriman

[Avocado]

http://www.doyletics.com/arj/landarvw.htm

I discovered this idea of Rudolf Steiner's recently. The idea is mapping our human experience using a spectrum with Lucifer and Ahriman as extremes. I don't understand the biblical references behind it but I do understand it's practical use.

In summary Lucifer is being too much in the imagination, too open minded and so fourth. Ahriman is being too much in matter. Both sides of the spectrum are being too much in the head. A balance is achieved in the heart. A proper balance is different for everyone. I would recommend looking at that link because it summarizes the two sides in a simple table and is better than my summary.


My experience with this map:
I've been posting a whole lot less here recently because I've been feeling too much on the Lucifer side. A few weeks back I made a subtle decision to remove this website from my daily experience. When I made that decision I didn't yet have this map but I knew that it was what I needed to do. Since then I have been getting more in touch with my Ahriman side and achieving a much more grounded balance. I've become less paranoid, less in the head, more in identification with the neutral observer that simply notes things as they are and I feel more in loving reverence to the godhead I like to call Ram.

I'm still interested in the Ra Material but it is no longer predominate in my thoughts. It just doesn't work for me. In many ways the LOO differs in some major and fundamental ways from the current spiritual model but I mean... I still love people, and oneness, and a spiritual life and of course I love you guys. I'll still be reading the forums from time to time and maybe posting here and there but I just won't be coming from the same place I used to.

Anywho, what do you think of this whole lucifer v ahriman thing?

[Meerie]

I would see Lucifer as right-brain and Ahriman as left-brain.
The way our western world works seems to be mostly ahriman, technological advances, materialism, etc
Balancing both would be the way out, as you suggested, via the heart.

[Avocado]

Yes, I love the relation to the hemispheres of the brain. In our western culture we have a lot of people in the Ahriman perception and they cannot relate to a right brain view of reality. For instance I heard someone say its ridiculous to assume aliens would be humanoid in form, but I say you never know. I understand why they would think that but I would say they same thing about assuming they are probably not humanoid.

Also I feel that most people probably have had experiences or intuitions that suggest that the world is not strictly Ahrimanic, even though it seems to be the dominant perception. In other words, there are few die hard dawkins type materialists, in fact I heard it suggested that the way Dawkins frames "the god delusion" even leans towards the Lucifer head games somewhat. It does seem like our western world is mostly Ahriman but there can be very materialistic people in cultures that recognize spirit like India. I use western mind to describe a mind state and not strictly geographic populations. I think population wise we probably have a more or less even distribution of people in the left, right and center.

I've been going along with this thing and have found a decent practice for balancing myself. Even if I feel balanced, it never hurts to contemplate a little, play around with my consciousness and see if I can achieve further balance because there's always room to grow.

I'm feeling much more humbled about my human condition. I've slowly been submitting the the realization that I don't know. I don't really use the Ra Material anymore but it would be naive to assume that my new model is "it" and how things work. I am definitely letting go of a feeling of spiritual righteousness, it makes my social games in life much less foggy. I can actually discuss spirituality with people now without feeling embarrassed or anxious, and it has nothing to do with the spiritual model but rather everything to do with being honest, open and embracing others as our family.

"It's just us here"

I've been doing a lot better with seeing the world as "just us" instead of just the one consciousness. It's just where I'm at. I can feel the oneness at times but using usness has had much more practical implications such as benefiting my social life. Ironically I would feel much more comfortable meeting you or attending homecoming having changing my model from the one given by Ra. And my heart is finally open and it feels great. Also I don't mean to make everyone on this forum "them". As in you guys are children of the LOO and I am not. Rather I see us all as the same souls on the same journey to the same destination, who came from the same place. Ah love it. I actually wasn't much into the LOO in the past several months or so, I just stuck around because I just really dig the people on this forum and the some of the neat stuff that gets posted.

[BlatzAdict]

all this information is the same as the LOO or any other information out there

there is an STS and STO, light and dark polarity in all of you, and it is represented by the masculine or the feminine, caduceus vs oroboros, push and pull, love and light

i honestly think with all of my heart that all of these distortions teaching the one truth are really pointless, why do they have to make these dumb analogies to make it easy to misinterpret. and this whole world can get so complicated, when it is really just about being in peace. and learning what you can when you are not in peace. i call it left brain or the pull side, or right brain the push side, it's all the same crap.

how did it all get so complicated? we are one. why is that so hard. why? I don't get it anymore. i am getting completely lost to duality thinking now. i think.

[Spaced]

all this information is the same as the LOO or any other information out there

there is an STS and STO, light and dark polarity in all of you, and it is represented by the masculine or the feminine, caduceus vs oroboros, push and pull, love and light

i honestly think with all of my heart that all of these distortions teaching the one truth are really pointless, why do they have to make these dumb analogies to make it easy to misinterpret. and this whole world can get so complicated, when it is really just about being in peace. and learning what you can when you are not in peace. i call it left brain or the pull side, or right brain the push side, it's all the same crap.

how did it all get so complicated? we are one. why is that so hard. why? I don't get it anymore. i am getting completely lost to duality thinking now. i think.

Is it fruitful to categorize things as diametrically opposed X vs Y concepts? I feel like the goal isn't to do battle between the light and dark, the masculine and feminine, etc. inside yourself but to find a comfortable balance between the two.

I think it's only as complicated as you want it to be.

[Sagittarius]

all this information is the same as the LOO or any other information out there

there is an STS and STO, light and dark polarity in all of you, and it is represented by the masculine or the feminine, caduceus vs oroboros, push and pull, love and light

i honestly think with all of my heart that all of these distortions teaching the one truth are really pointless, why do they have to make these dumb analogies to make it easy to misinterpret. and this whole world can get so complicated, when it is really just about being in peace. and learning what you can when you are not in peace. i call it left brain or the pull side, or right brain the push side, it's all the same crap.

how did it all get so complicated? we are one. why is that so hard. why? I don't get it anymore. i am getting completely lost to duality thinking now. i think.

I think that type of catalyst was here in large part for wanderers. To make our life's easier and harder at the same time. So we almost have to learn then unlearn, learn then unlearn. All the while making what we truly know at the core stronger or more balanced everytime.

[Unbound]

Silence speaks.

[Cyan]

Reminds me of the movie Happy go Lucky and the cab driver scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMwD7Zy6Vno Not a nice pretty fun movie.

[Avocado]

Well I kinda "checked" myself today through contemplating this thread. I realize that everyone who reads the LOO is working with a different internal model of it. Thus we are separate in that regard, but the same in our interest. I was playing the game of being in the role of "Oh, I'm done with the Ra Material", Bullpucky! That was a defense mechanism. I'm still interested in it.

As it stands, the greatest difference between my current model and my model I built off the LOO is that I don't use STS/STO. It just doesn't work for me.

I see now that much of my current model fits right in with the LOO. An example is how I now work with freewill. I am now a determined being without freewill. In this mode, I still have choice, but I recognize choice as illusion. In my former model (that I associated with the LOO) freewill was the first distortion, and so I was a being with freewill. But wait! Freewill is a distortion, thus being a determined being is still congruent with the LOO. See, they are just different planes that we can experience things from. Being a determined being has freed me so much, my heart tells me to use this model. I am extricating myself from roles in consciousness. Maybe at some point, having freewill will be more appropriate, but for now I chose to not have freewill. har har har funny thing to choose.

Another thing was densities. I don't use them anymore. I just divide nature into physical, astral, causal. And behind nature is the void. It's just a different map. I like it more because I like smaller numbers.

For me I felt unbalanced by reading this forum and so I took a break. Saying I'm going to participate less is not being present. That was another role that I can do away with "I'm going to participate less because this website and the LOO makes me feel unbalanced" Bullpucky! Defense mechanisms! I know my limits, no need for these extra games.

all this information is the same as the LOO or any other information out there

there is an STS and STO, light and dark polarity in all of you, and it is represented by the masculine or the feminine, caduceus vs oroboros, push and pull, love and light

i honestly think with all of my heart that all of these distortions teaching the one truth are really pointless, why do they have to make these dumb analogies to make it easy to misinterpret. and this whole world can get so complicated, when it is really just about being in peace. and learning what you can when you are not in peace. i call it left brain or the pull side, or right brain the push side, it's all the same crap.

how did it all get so complicated? we are one. why is that so hard. why? I don't get it anymore. i am getting completely lost to duality thinking now. i think.

The influences of Lucifer and Ahriman is not a spectrum as I originally said and so it's not a polar thing. It's a balance thing, it's a scale. Instead of being at either end of a magnet, you are working with a scale that is either tipped in one way or the other, or balanced on it's fulcrum. As TheEternal said, where the fulcrum is placed varies from individual to individual.

At least, that's how I'm using it.

I'm glad I could reword it to accurately describe it. That's just more practice using left brain consciousness. English is not my strongest subject.

Blatz, I can appreciate your frustration. I've felt lost in the soup that is my consciousness more times than I can count. But that's what map making is about. Building internal structure so you can have a platform to stand on. From there you can dip your feet in the soup bowl or dive right in.