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    #31
    09-05-2012, 01:28 PM
    (09-05-2012, 12:20 PM)Patrick Wrote: You know the ending, but you planned multiple diverse routes to get there and you incarnated to see which route you would take. Even the most fervent STS entity will end up becoming the loving Creator.

    And even the most dedicated STO can take millions of years to reach Creator. Well, I imagine one who is in balance of STO/STS can still take millions of years.

    4D is about gaining polarity, right? Is 5D the same, about gaining polarity? I read that 5D is about intensifying.

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    09-05-2012, 01:42 PM
    interesting. I've asked this for a number of reasons,one of them is that when i was in this trance-dream and when i was merged with the higher being i asked it what was i before this/where did i come from. it showed me a memory of my state prior this incarnation or even before i had the desire to incarnate (this memory not being physical but based on emotion). experiencing this "memory" made me realize my purpose. i then asked it how was i to achieve this. from what i understand it showed me the future. it showed me every thing that was going to happen, it even showed me what i was going to do after the harvest and to the end of this incarnation.

    you say that there is no solid "plan", so perhaps i misinterpreted. perhaps it was showing me the opportunity's i would be able to experience, perhaps it showed me in a state of what would be if i accomplished the opportunity's. or perhaps it was just showing me what i wanted to hear, what i wanted to see,what i wanted to be.

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    09-05-2012, 01:44 PM
    You have a busy mind, dear one, but you have the truth seeded within it. Go in to your heart and find the core there and sit with your heartbeat and you will remember. Smile

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    #34
    09-05-2012, 01:48 PM (This post was last modified: 09-05-2012, 01:53 PM by Naktis.)
    yes, i must meditate more or perhaps find solitude. but sadly i have very little time, in fact i should be doing my homework now, but i'am here trying to find truth, trying to understand.

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    #35
    09-05-2012, 02:01 PM
    I think we have a preferred plan within the bunch and this is probably what was shown to you. Smile

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    09-05-2012, 02:32 PM
    thank you Patrick and thank you all who responded

    i feel like this post is now coming to an end. i do not have any more major questions. i will look for solitude although my parents are already criticizing me for being very unsocial and every moment i get i should be studying for my exams. but i will try, see what happens. as long as i have my desire. as long as i can see the stars.

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    09-05-2012, 02:42 PM
    You are never truly alone, despite how the mind may make itself believe so. Smile You are surrounded by many guides and have much to access if you but reach out and recognize it. Our parents, though we love them, do not make decisions about who or what we are, nor anyone else, only we can do that.

    You always have your focus, and one doesn't necessarily have to enter in to solitude in order to utilize it. When you do anything you create a charge within your system that allows you to engage in the activity. This comes from where we have our center of focus within our beings. A lot of people end up being focused in the solar plexus which is the emotional center, the "feeling" center and where our astral body or emotional body touches our etheric body. What I have suggested is simply to shift the center of focus, of balance, in your system, in to the core and center of your heart. The heart has unlimited energy, and is full of love, and you may find everything looking a little lighter when you have your focus upon your heart. This can be done anywhere, anytime, just stop for a moment, a few seconds, and feel your heart.
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    09-05-2012, 02:52 PM
    yes, i am not aware of this information. i do not know anything about "solar plexus" or when i read about blue/green ray's. i do not know how to shift focus/energy or how to control it. i think i read some where that symbolism can be use to attract or disperse energy. is there perhaps a link you can post to this information , or is it in the Ra material?

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    09-05-2012, 02:59 PM
    Quote:36.7 Questioner: In that case my higher self would, shall we say, have a very large advantage in knowing precisely what was needed since it would know what… as far as I am concerned, what was going to happen. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect, in that this would be an abrogation of free will. The higher self aspect is aware of the lessons learned through the sixth density. The progress rate is fairly well understood. The choices which must be made to achieve the higher self as it is are in the provenance of the mind/body/spirit complex itself.

    Thus the higher self is like the map in which the destination is known; the roads are very well known, these roads being designed by intelligent infinity working through intelligent energy. However, the higher self aspect can program only for the lessons and certain predisposing limitations if it wishes. The remainder is completely the free choice of each entity. There is the perfect balance between the known and the unknown.

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    09-05-2012, 03:09 PM
    (09-05-2012, 02:59 PM)Patrick Wrote: There is the perfect balance between the known and the unknown.
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    I felt this is important to emphasize. A good thing to know.
    The mystery unravels only as fast as we are capable of integrating our experience.
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    09-05-2012, 03:16 PM (This post was last modified: 09-05-2012, 03:17 PM by Patrick.)
    (09-05-2012, 03:09 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:
    (09-05-2012, 02:59 PM)Patrick Wrote:
    Quote:36.7 ...There is the perfect balance between the known and the unknown.

    I felt this is important to emphasize. A good thing to know.
    The mystery unravels only as fast as we are capable of integrating our experience.

    Exactly. Smile

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    09-05-2012, 03:17 PM
    (09-05-2012, 02:52 PM)Naktis Wrote: yes, i am not aware of this information. i do not know anything about "solar plexus" or when i read about blue/green ray's. i do not know how to shift focus/energy or how to control it. i think i read some where that symbolism can be use to attract or disperse energy. is there perhaps a link you can post to this information , or is it in the Ra material?

    Ah! That is helpful to know. This is a reference to the commonly used western version of the Chakra system, which is also well-known in Yoga.

    http://www.chakraenergy.com/intro.html

    A good example of how to use your intention (which is when you use your mind or thoughts to apply your focus to something) is to focus upon something like a candle flame. When you focus on the flame, you are using your intention to bring your attention or focus in to one point, on the flame.

    Now, energy takes form and is moved by thoughts and emotions. You actually control energy constantly, and you are now just becoming more consciously aware of that fact. "Where thought goes, energy flows."

    Another example of focusing with your attention is through listening, say, as in my suggestion, listening to your heartbeat. When you listen to it, and feel it, you are putting the intention of your thoughts in to it, and so energy moves to that center, and in to your heart. Likewise, if you focus on say, your left foot, sensation and energy will be sent to that foot. Or this could be done with your hand, or with the chair you're sitting on, or the computer you're using. Energy is fluidic and can be moved by the mind in to and/or through anything in some capacity or other.
    Also, symbolism is certainly a way to attract and disperse energies, and in a way the Chakras are themselves symbols in this way.
    Also, the "rays" referred to by Ra are cosmic. This may give you some further idea of what they mean:

    http://www.bailey.it/testi-inglese/Esote...-Vol-1.pdf
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    09-05-2012, 04:33 PM
    (09-05-2012, 02:52 PM)Naktis Wrote: yes, i am not aware of this information. i do not know anything about "solar plexus" or when i read about blue/green ray's. i do not know how to shift focus/energy or how to control it. i think i read some where that symbolism can be use to attract or disperse energy. is there perhaps a link you can post to this information , or is it in the Ra material?

    Greetings Naktis,

    You may find much use in Carla's latest book:

    Living The Law of One - 101 The Choice

    http://store.bring4th.org/product_info.p...549c23bdb1

    Written with the intent of creating an entry-level, simple to read report concerning the core principles of the Law of One and Confederation philosophy in general, this book takes the reader through a discussion of Law of One principles such as unity, free will, love, light and polarity. It then works with the Confederation version of the concept that each person has an energy body with seven chakras. It discusses this concept and its implications for the seeker, chakra by chakra. It turns the player into a Player!

    I hope that this helps.

    L & L

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    09-05-2012, 05:26 PM
    Thanks Jim. I have that book somewhere. It's probably about time for me to reread it.

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    09-06-2012, 12:48 AM (This post was last modified: 09-06-2012, 12:42 PM by Lycen.)
    (09-05-2012, 11:46 AM)Naktis Wrote:
    Lycen Wrote:You're journey has been in the making all this time and led you here. This is where you should be, as you are here.. there are no coincidences bluntly said.


    makes me feel like this was all planed, am i correct to suggest this? are you saying that before we came here, we already knew what was going to happen. that in a flash we saw the outcome and accepted the experience? and that way there is no right or wrong, we are doing what we are meant to be doing, experiencing. playing a game to which we know the ending, but while playing have forgotten.

    Truth is one but contains many "pieces", each needed for the whole picture, but not one is the whole picture. Those who keep searching, shall find the truth.

    Apologies for the late reply, as I feel I should have replied sooner but was not aware.

    I started to read these transcripts recently from the start of 1972. Mayhaps these will be of use to you as well Smile

    (09-06-2012, 10:48 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Thanks Lycen for the transcripts link. I found this transcript about time/space: http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0409.aspx

    It says how 4D will be like our dreamstate here in 3D. There is also mention that in 3D time/space bodies are electrical.

    "In the fourth density, there is a pureness of mind that exists with an entity going through incarnation which is much more likened to your sleep state in third density in that the mind is less crowded to a fourth density individual and that which is expressed as being comes through brighter because the self is more translucent to the being that exists within all entities, all individualized portions of the Creator in every density."

    This was an illuminating read, took a while though Tongue. Thank you as well Gem Wolf .)


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    09-06-2012, 10:48 AM (This post was last modified: 09-06-2012, 10:52 AM by AnthroHeart.)
    Thanks Lycen for the transcripts link. I found this transcript about time/space: http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0409.aspx

    It says how 4D will be like our dreamstate here in 3D. There is also mention that in 3D time/space bodies are electrical.

    "In the fourth density, there is a pureness of mind that exists with an entity going through incarnation which is much more likened to your sleep state in third density in that the mind is less crowded to a fourth density individual and that which is expressed as being comes through brighter because the self is more translucent to the being that exists within all entities, all individualized portions of the Creator in every density."

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    09-06-2012, 05:06 PM
    -TheEternal

    yes, this seems to be the information that is required. thank you. very interesting, you talk about focusing on a flame but what good does that do? how does one convert energy into action? ( probably an ignorant question, but i feel i must fully understand the basics) what exactly happens when i focus on a candle? do my thoughts blow like a breeze and it moves?
    Quote:Likewise, if you focus on say, your left foot, sensation and energy will be sent to that foot. Or this could be done with your hand, or with the chair you're sitting on, or the computer you're using.

    again what are the advantages for this? if i focus on my hand, what happens to it? does it physically heal if injured? and what about these physical illusions, what if i do focus on an object what would happen to it, or to me? indeed i was aware that thoughts are energy, think about something( focus energy to it) and desire is created, desire being like a capacitor, it will store the energy and call to the creator for a connection, the creator answers and thus manifestation occurs.

    also today i have tested your advise
    Quote:as in my suggestion, listening to your heartbeat.

    i must say what i found surprised me. i was very tired and lacked any motivation this morning, then i remembered your words. indeed a strange sensation occurred, i felt almost like a battery recharging.

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    - greetings again Jim Kent +

    thank you for the advise. this adds on to the pile of reading i have to get through. perhaps i was to eager to come forth. i already have much to do. I've noticed that a lot of you wanderers are fully awoken at the biological age of 20-25. if the same counts for me then i have plenty of time, its just that i will awaken some years after the harvest.

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    -Lycen

    Quote:Apologies for the late reply, as I feel I should have replied sooner but was not aware.

    do not worry, reply when ever you want. in fact i would like to get as much answers from people on the same questions that i can. i would like to see the broad perspective of this subject. i do not mind if the questions was long ago or if it was answered, i would like to hear every ones opinion.

    thank you for the transcripts, again this piles onto of the work i have to get through.

    yes, the truth contains "pieces". these pieces fit together and know each other well,as you said, non of these pieces are the truth alone, but when they unite, they form a shape. the shape of the truth. the shape's shadow can be seen from any piece.

    this still doesn't really explain why i sometimes dream the future, perhaps future opportunities. regardless, thank you for replying.

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    09-06-2012, 05:23 PM
    Ah, in this case, the primary reason to do so is similar to muscle training, you are training your focus and training your intention to be one pointed. Our thoughts are electro-magnetic and what they can do is alter the configuration of a field, but this requires a certain amount of energy. When you focus your thought in to something energy is added to it, but it takes a lot of focus to put in enough energy to make any physical alterations. Few people here, I'd wager, have garnered such direct physical effects, and usually only after learning to use energy and intention with practice.

    That being said, what is it good for? Well, you use your energy whenever you do anything, whether or not you are aware of it. You use the focus of your intention and thoughts to direct your body to write these messages using the keyboard, for example. The processes of meditation in one way help to become aware of the total mind/body/spirit so they can work more harmoniously together.

    If you want to do manifestation, in terms of "basics", it's really a field interaction. When you send out an intention it engages the collective field of the Creator and is processed in to the Creation. It manifests when its energy has been translated in to an event which fulfills the intention, and if the intention is less clear, or less powerful, this may not be in the form that is expected. In truth, manifestation often holds surprises for anyone who works with it.

    In another way, learning to work with your energy can have great health effects, helps relax and clear the body, and also helps you to have more physical prowess and dexterity because of less physical strain when you have learned to move your energy first and allow your body to follow naturally.

    These are all things which it takes everyone practice to learn how to work with and utilize effectively, myself included and I'm by no means a master.

    Also, as for your heart, yes! The Heart has an endless supply of Prana at its core, and when we connect to it it can certainly be energizing!

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    09-06-2012, 05:40 PM
    (09-06-2012, 05:06 PM)Naktis Wrote: - greetings again Jim Kent +

    thank you for the advise. this adds on to the pile of reading i have to get through. perhaps i was to eager to come forth. i already have much to do. I've noticed that a lot of you wanderers are fully awoken at the biological age of 20-25. if the same counts for me then i have plenty of time, its just that i will awaken some years after the harvest.

    Greetings Naktis,

    Without wanting to push in one direction or the other, I would state that Carla's book is written specifically for someone in your position, that is relatively new to all of this info, and because of this, is the perfect intro to The Law of One / Confederation philosophy.

    But perhaps more importantly, I will share a bit of advice that Q'uo gave me in 2005, "do not be distracted by the process of learning".

    I would argue that it doesn't matter when you "awaken", your evident desire to "know the truth" and become more aware of the infinite part of The Creator that is REALLY you, to me, demonstrates that you are well on your way to so called "awakening"!

    I "awakened" 25 years ago, and I've barely a clue what's really going on! Tongue

    2012 is just a "cut-off point" if you will, that is to take advantage of THIS Harvest on THIS planet THIS time around, you must have polarized STO or STS by the time the planet itself is fully 4th density, which I believe it already is.

    But consciously "awakening" by becoming aware of more of the specifics of our Spiritual existence is by no means necessary for graduation to 4th density.

    And you may well have already made the grade by making The Choice and will have the rest of your incarnation to become "Dual-Activated", that is having, through the work in Consciousness, developed you body to handle 3rd and 4th density existence.

    You might find the following post helpful in "understanding" the dynamics of The Harvest:

    http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=249

    I hope that is helps.

    Stay well my brother.

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    09-07-2012, 12:44 PM
    -TheEternal

    Quote:If you want to do manifestation, in terms of "basics",

    i apologies. i must of mixed these two statements. by "basics" i meant that i feel that i must fully understand all basics before moving into something bigger. like understanding algebra before going into something like simultaneous equations. or more simply, understanding how to walk before i run. and for the manifestation, i was simply sharing my understanding of thought/energy/desire/manifestation, by comparing it to a circuit. but non the less it is interesting and just might help.

    again thank you for the hart meditation, indeed this will help me in my study and in life overall.

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    - greetings Jim Kent +

    perhaps I have revealed too little about my self. i am not as new as you might think.

    i first found pieces of the "truth" in late 2011. at this time i had a thirst inside me, i wanted to know and understand something more about this life, something that seemed to be missing. so i began researching/reading through "conspiracy theory's". UFO's ,911 , alien buildings on the moon , Illuminati ect. while on a website dedicated to researching the Illuminati i came across a forum labeled "Dialogue With Hidden Hand". perhaps some of you already herd of this, and if so, might understand where it all began for me.

    i read through the forum with complete and utter excitement and surprise. i was amazed, it was like HH got into my head, came out with all my ideas, polished it off and displayed it. i never read anything like this. prior to this moment i would seek information from religions, philosophies and scientific information and piece together my understanding of life using logic with the information i got. HH very closely spoke what i already found by my self and believed all my life, his fourm is what lead me to the Ra material and all that came with it. and so from late 2011 to this day, I've been dipping in and out the the Ra material and Carla's books, but not yet the one you recommend.

    indeed i am aware of the harvest and its necessities. although i never felt that it was exiting or desirable. you say listen to your self, when i do and ask about the harvest. i feel out of tune. i have no interest in "graduating". i do not know why. i have been "neutral" all my life, i am neither STS nor STO. now it is to late. i will be here, in 3erd density. the only thing i'am looking forward about the harvest is that i hope to take a rest from this 3erd density life, to momentarily go back to my prior state, remember who i am. and even perhaps to go back to that "memory". that beautiful moment. but that is perhaps to much to ask. just rest will do.

    i apologies if i may sound ungrateful or rude. i do appreciated those who reply.

    when ever i have time to read i shall make it my first option ,Living The Law of One - 101 The Choice

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