Was Jesus the first to bring in 4th Density vibrations?

[TheFifty9Sound]

So, I've been doing a lot of reading about Jesus, Christianity, how the Roman Catholic church came to power, the council of Nicea, exploring both the New Testament and the gospels found at Nag Hamaddi, Aramaic translations of Jesus words, researching just how old the oldest copies of each gospel we have are, any channellings in the LLResearch library that mention Jesus and trying to marry all this stuff into my understand of the Law of One.

I have been focusing so hard on the idea that the Roman Catholic church and Constantine were responsible for choosing only texts that supported a system that allowed them to govern and control the people, whilst destroying all others (which still might be true), I nearly missed what may be a very simple truth.

Was Jesus the VERY FIRST entity to bring 4th density vibrations into our 3rd density? Two readings in particular got me thinking along these lines..

December 14, 1986 Q'uo
The entity Jesus was loved and loved in return, but his mind drove him to be alone, for though too young to have established to his own satisfaction the nature of his being, he had tremendous hunger for wisdom. You would call this entity a child prodigy. The entity taught many, many more things than are written, and could continue teaching for an eternity, yet what has been recorded is typical enough of the teaching’s content in general that we do not choose to take this opportunity to adjust the teachings that are recorded. It is not only that there is some infringement upon free will, although that is part of our caution; we also do not wish to sway those who have not become interested in the Christ to alter their viewpoints.

For above and apart from any writing about the Christ, there is the Christ, and that which this teacher, channel and representative of the Creator called the Holy Spirit, call it what you will. There are many, many avenues in which the Christ speaks to each whenever the inner ear is opened and the ear harks, not listening passively, but leaning forward and truly harking.

The concept of the Christ was this—that intelligent infinity as experienced by the Logos and with the bias of the Logos would enter a third-density experience, not erasing the one known as Jesus’ personality or being, but coming into the closest possible harmony with that being. There needed to be one who wished to sacrifice an incarnation to the ever-increasing pleasure and agony of the Creator, experiencing what this instrument would call the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, for it is the nature of the Christ and the nature of third density that the two, perceiving each other, should react—the third density with a lack of understanding, and the Christ with wonder, joy and sacrifice. Such is the sorrow of your illusion and the joy of sensation and communion.

In the end, Jesus the man became so able to bear both joy and agony that this entity stopped experiencing the Creator and for long periods of time became the Creator experiencing third density. Such is the perfect channeling of love. The achievement of the perfect channeling was the mystery of union between Creator and illusion.

After this bonding, the burden of channeling rather rapidly began to tire the master teacher, Jesus. At the time of the crucifixion, as this instrument calls it, there were almost no tears left, there were no bones unbroken, there was no companionship that had not been betrayed in one form or another. Nevertheless, Jesus the Christ lived well and did not stop the channeling until the breath left the physical vehicle. We witness to this Christ with thanksgiving and joy, not suggesting that any worship or not worship, but celebrating the Creator poured into a channel who could share in full the nature of the Logos, the nature of love, the Creator’s powerful, terrible love.

You ask what Jesus the Christ would think of the way your people celebrate Christmas. My friends, Jesus is very pleased. He is pleased [to see] all that is given and received of love, generosity and cheerfulness. This entity never confused the personal life that he lived with the Christ he channeled and in the end gave way to completely, but always knew the source and called it the Father. Call it what you will. We have no dogma or doctrine, but celebrate love.

And this.. (I don't know how reliable these channellings are, but the idea was important none the less)

ELOHIM
channeled by Daphne

August 10, 2002
Wynn: Could you explain the transition that occurred on the planet during the life of Jesus.?

When you speak of transition, do you refer to the physical dimension of the earth of the mineral kingdom or the consciousness of the third dimensional beings on the planet at that time?

Wynn: I think the consciousness

A seed was planted. The seed is now coming to potential fruition. Does this answer your question?

Now in Q'uo and Ra sessions, on more than one occasion I've read that the meaning of the return of Christ is that Jesus himself isn't coming back down to earth, but the Christ CONSCIOUSNESS. Considering how long it takes us to, as a race, evolve spiritually, if you were to "plant the seed" of 4th density vibrations, you'd probably needs a good 2000 odd years for it to spring into fruition.

The idea that Jesus the man was channeling these Christ vibrations into our.. energy grid I guess, for the very first time in our earths history, makes a great deal of sense when you consider the Christian teaching that he "opened to us the kingdom of heaven" - The Kingdom obviously being 4th density earth. Bringing "Christ into our lives" then takes on a new meaning of simply preparing ourselves for 4D, by offering our love and service to others and tuning in as many 4D vibrations as possible. Such a simple idea could be accepted by people of all races and religions.

Also, that he "stopped experiencing the creator and for long periods of time became the Creator experiencing third density", throws a new light on the whole Arianism Vs Nicene debate on the nature of the Holy Trinity. Those poor sod's must have been right confused! Carla actually brings up this mystery later on in the channeling I quoted.

I could go on. There is a great deal I've read and ponded that seems to fall into place when I consider things from this angle. Perhaps in a few days I'll start finding holes in my current theory, or maybe you guys will start finding holes right away. Maybe this has all been considered before and I've just missed the boat!

[Oldern]

I definitely do not think he was the first. Hindu gods and semigods have been walking around on the earth way before him - and you cant count out good ol' Buddha himself either, not to mention all the other Boddhisattvas : D

Also, many sources basically put a "=" line between Buddha Nature, Krisna Spirit, Christ Consciousness and etc.
Jesus was definitely the main source of clear, pure, unconditional love for the modern western culture, that is undeniable, though.

[TheFifty9Sound]

I do not know enough about Hinduism and their history, which is essentially why I brought this conversation here, to filter out things like this.

I had considered Buddha, but on reflecting on his main teachings it still seems like an advanced understanding of 3rd density. The cycle of birth, death and rebirth, eliminating Karma through many incarnations, the world as suffering, training of the mind to detach oneself from desire and the physical world.. Are these concerns of an entity in 4D? Whilst I think as far as world religions go, to the best of my knowledge Buddhism is the most peaceful and true to it's original teachings, did Siddhartha teach unconditional love and unity? <- (This is a legitimate question, did he?)

[Patrick]

Thank you my friend for this excellent post. I was raised in the Catholic faith and I too likes to put in relation the mysteries of our illusion with the mysteries of the One Creator experiencing our 3rd density world directly. Your post is enlightening and most welcomed.

[Confused]

I do not know enough about Hinduism and their history, which is essentially why I brought this conversation here, to filter out things like this.

I had considered Buddha, but on reflecting on his main teachings it still seems like an advanced understanding of 3rd density. The cycle of birth, death and rebirth, eliminating Karma through many incarnations, the world as suffering, training of the mind to detach oneself from desire and the physical world.. Are these concerns of an entity in 4D? Whilst I think as far as world religions go, to the best of my knowledge Buddhism is the most peaceful and true to it's original teachings, did Siddhartha teach unconditional love and unity? <- (This is a legitimate question, did he?)

42.15 Questioner: Then the less sensitized entity should use … What should he use for the proper energy?

Ra: I am Ra. In the less sensitized individual the choosing of personally inspirational images is appropriate whether this inspiration be the rose which is of perfect beauty, the cross which is of perfect sacrifice, the Buddha which is the All-being in One, or whatever else may inspire the individual.

[hogey11]

Thank you The59Sound! Uncovering the relationship between the Law of One and all earthly religions is one of my favorite subjects in all of these discussions and I can say i've never read the above quote from Q'uo. Thank you again!

Like others have said, I believe there have been quite a few ascended masters and wanderers before Jesus especially if we take into account that places like Mu and Lemuria may have had their own links to the source. In fact, part of me feels like it's quite the opposite in that I think Jesus was the closer - the anchor runner to the strategy of the proliferation of 4D. We are told a few interesting things about him from Ra: Jesus came from the highest vibration of the 4th density. Rather than ascend into 5D, Jesus chose to come here to give us the most pure representation of 4D that could possibly be given. In terms of the 75,000 year 3D window, Jesus comes at the 97% or so completion mark of 3D; I think he was the ultimate 'insurance'.

More to that point, I think when you take Jesus in the framework of 4D and his teachings, his greater purpose becomes very clear. Jesus' death and resurrection are actually less mystical than many might accept. I personally am starting to think that when Jesus died on the cross, his 3D mind/connection died too and was never resurrected. Instead, Jesus died in the 3D sense and he rose in his 4D glory; much like each of us have the potential to do if we take his life and teachings as a template. So Jesus lays in a tomb for 3 days and then he emerges with a different visage (most of his friends could not recognize him at first - he looked different), the ability to do all sorts of supernatural things, and culminates with his 'ascending' to the sky with a few other entities. Also, when they found his bandages, the texts say that they were perfectly wrapped as if the body passed through them (ie: they weren't a bloody tangled mess). Like you say above, he spoke about the coming kingdom and his return, which I agree with you probably means the entry of christ consciousness onto the planet on a mass scale.

I like the analogy of a seed being planted. The fact that we reset our time calendar I think is also significant; original intention or not. The birth of Jesus into this world was like a spiritual big bang, imo. Things were never the same once those seeds were planted. Only so many of us can ignore our higher selves screaming at us to pay attention

I think also in relation to other teachers, they each have their wheelhouse. Buddha is all about inner peace and acceptance. Mohammed taught great discipline and devotion. Jesus was about outward love and sacrifice. They each have something to teach if you wish to get to the end of the race, but I think some argument could be made that Jesus' lessons were the most applicable to our current situation.

[Parsons]

Oh man I've been dying to share this quote because its so funny to me that I burst out laughing the first time I heard it. I remember thinking not too long before I read it "I bet it gets really annoying to everyone being constantly challenged in the name of 'Christ'". But is quite true and I think it adds to the spirit of this thread. :idea:

(Carla channeling)

I Yadda. I greet you in the love and in the light of infinite Creator. We have so much trouble with instrument who want us to say we come in the name of Christ. We always end up having to say, “Okay.” But we always wonder, why not Buddha? Why not Mohammed? Why not some postman that we know of in Washington DC who is good to his children and gives away many Christmas presents to little children he does not know? All are Christ. All are perfect in consciousness. Yes—we come in the name of Christ, for we are the vibration which cannot be reached without going along the path of the Christ.

[3DMonkey]

I'm going to guess that a mother was the first to experience fourth density vibrations. Unconditional love for her child.

Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers

[Charles]

We are all children of That One.

Why were we created? Many many reasons have been given, but my favorite is because That One needed to continue to realize It's infinity. Infinite experience includes (Valtor Quote): "experiencing our third density world directly."

A spark of That One Creator is within us all. Through us, That One experiences hunger and thirst and fear and anger and greed and earthly love, and That Immortal One also experiences mortality, and That Infinite One also experiences being finite.

Experiencing earth by living through Jesus, was another unique use of It's infinity, but I think that we are necessary to really experience 3D.

[Gribbons]

I've come to think of myself as my own god, and while I've built myself on the template of Jesus, it is his teaching, as well as with the LOO, to rid yourself of fear, so as to live every moment in love, and radiate that love! I can't say I'm big on sacrifice, though I have sacrificed much more than I've intended.. I don't believe it's my destiny to sacrifice my physical vehicle.. My point is, we all have our own paths, and to flow with the energy of the universe with as little fear and doubt as possible, to the point of expelling or accepting it completely, is to experience a lighter way of living. and not have to live up to the, from our perspective, expectations of another light-teacher.

They are an example of love, but all in all, we all set our own example. Trust yourself and follow your bliss and dreams. Knowing that, I fear not what I may accomplish.

[jivatman]

The Buddha's original teachings were more principally focused on the nature of mind and how to escape it by seeing it as essentially illusory. That is, escaping 3D by seeing it as an illusion that results in suffering. Of course, escaping 3D means going into 4D.

Later in Mahayana it became understood that one cannot attain enlightenment separately from other beings, and that helping liberate all sentient beings became a central element of Buddhism, both in life and after becoming a Bodhisattva, after which one would reincarnate with the goal of helping liberate others (a wanderer).

[TheFifty9Sound]

Do you know when Mahayana began that teaching? Also, anyone with knowledge of the Hindu Gods and Semigods and how they may/may not fit into things, I am a willing student!

[Oceania]

eh, i think one can totally achieve alone. all is within and the all is infinite, therefore all we need inside. if we can access it.

[Patrick]

Ra also stated that from our current perspective (here in 3d) there is more of the real Self in other-Self than in Self.

[Unbound]

I would take a serious look at the practice of Dzogchen which can be found in Buddhism.

[Patrick]

I would take a serious look at the practice of Dzogchen which can be found in Buddhism.

"One knows that there is a primordial freedom from grasping his mind"

[Gribbons]

I agree with Oceania, though the other is just as important as the self, just as a mirror is important for seeing oneself from an outsiders perspective: it's balancing.

Valtor's sig is worth reposting: One, know yourself. Two, accept yourself. Three, become the Creator. - Ra

[jivatman]

I'd like to address the original question: was Jesus the first one to bring fourth density vibrations?

No, But he was certainly one of the most the most eloquent proponent of love and especially, of Service-to-others, up to that time.. Remember, when asked about the most important commandment, he said:

'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these. "

The Synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke) are very positive if you use discretion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_Gospels

John differs from the others in the extreme. The most serious distortion it introduces is the concept that Jesus is god.

"Do you know when Mahayana began that teaching? Also, anyone with knowledge of the Hindu Gods and Semigods and how they may/may not fit into things, I am a willing student!"

The Bhagavada Gita was composed around 200BC-200CE and introduces the concept of Yoga, via Karma Yoga (right action), Jnana Yoga (Wisdom), Bhakti Yoga (Love). One is allowed to choose those which suits their temperament.

Bhakti is about love and devotion to god.

By that time, Hindus would principally worshiped either Vishnu, Shiva, or Devi monotheisticly in that they recognized them as containing all other gods. The more educated understood this as Isvara, that is, used as a representation for the unity of god, which cannot be represented at all.

Later, Adi Sankara would explain this the most eloquently with Advaita Vedanta which is now the dominant Hindu theological thought.

Now, I sometimes think that Jesus taught the strongest and most coherent concept of service-to-others, somewhat more than Indian Religions.

However there is of course the negative and exclusivist element that John introduced to Christianity, where it is claimed that Jesus is a god, the one and only god, preaching the only legitimate religion.

That exclusivity has never existed in the Indian religions, Jainism, Hinduism, Buddhism, which have coexisted peacefully for more than a thousand years because they recognize that they are all paths to god.

[Shin'Ar]

There are few who know what the actual true teachings of Jesus were.

What was professed to the New World was a manipulated and corrupted message.

So how can we speculate on anything regarding His work?

[Siren]

Was Jesus the VERY FIRST entity to bring 4th density vibrations into our 3rd density?

No.

Firstly, all the records humanity has right now concerning their history can only (partially and fallaciously, at times) account for the last 6,000 years, give or take. That leaves about 70,000 years of non-recorded/remembered history. Plus, not all "wanderers" have made it into history/religious books. The Jesus you speak of has become a renowned personage of history due to the Catholic Church (Jesus is to the Catholic Church what Mickey Mouse is to Disney—every businessman knows he needs a good advertising logo to promote and sell his products/services). However, Jesinavarah's identity and message has been greatly corrupted over time.

The heart of Jesus' message was simply this: love thy God/Creator, love thyself, love thy neighbor/brother/other-self.

Secondly, the 4th density isn't "brought" by any single individual entity. The transition between 3D and 4D is a natural process that occurs over time.

[Patrick]

There are few who know what the actual true teachings of Jesus were.

What was professed to the New World was a manipulated and corrupted message.

So how can we speculate on anything regarding His work?

Here is what I believe came from his teachings: "Love one another". Nothing else really matter.