Do you think any civilisations have unlocked eternal life?

[zack231]

I was thinking the other day, when I was reading over some comments made by some scientists and was just thinking of the topic overall, what if a civilisation found a way to create eternal life how would someone be harvested, there are already many scientists claiming they have the ability to extend life by 100s of years but of course the commener will never get thier hands on it or it be brought our into the open. I personally would not want it, for life is already eternal just not our bodies. So how do you think they would be harvested especially if they unlocked the key to eternal life, with the only way of leaving an incarnation is being killed, but by the time eternal life is unlocked so to would probably insant healing and stuff like that... Ra even spoke of how they tried to pass on infomation to create a machine to extend life but it was distorted by the orion group and was never finished so it is obviously possible....

Another big question that popped into my head last night along with this one was Human Cloning. If you actually look into stuff enough their are article pieces and scientists saying that they have cloned a cross between humans and chimpanzees and many scientists have came out and said that they have the abilty to clone humans now and probably have for a long time its just the ethics side of things... So my biggest question is if a clone was made of a person would it share the same Mind/body/spirit complex? and where would it come from? after all it is just an exact replica of the person whom was cloned, with the same emotions and the lot.. This question stumped me the most which is why I have posted it here to see if my fellow bring 4thions can solve it lol

Love and Light

Also I have read that they are quite close say the next 30 years to being able to download your entire conscious into a humanoid robot that would be set up to look like you and if it got destroyed it could just be put into another robots body just like what really happens now with consciouness except the body is artificial..

[3DMonkey]

So my biggest question is if a clone was made of a person would it share the same Mind/body/spirit complex? and where would it come from? after all it is just an exact replica of the person whom was cloned, with the same emotions and the lot..

There is one way to find out....

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I don't doubt that it has been tried and done, somewhere

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I know that if I were scientifically capable with funds and total secrecy, I would definitely try it.

[zenmaster]

I'd say that if they created 'eternal life' (rather than merely extending life), then they probably have no need for harvest anyway. I am not assuming that the maintenance of the body, over long durations, is not reduced to just a chemical/technological creation. The body is ultimately 'a creature of the mind's creation' - regardless of the purely external maintenance of the shell. Because of natural increase in 'entropy' over time, its continued viability ultimately depends on the continued balance of mind in the face of catalyst.

Why do you think a clone would have the same emotions? It would merely have the same genetic predispositions, like twins. Even then the consciousness, use of will in different circumstances, determines gene expression.

Here's another hypothetical question: each planet is on its own harvest clock. What if a 3rd density civilization develops advance space travel and leaves the planet before harvest time, how would they be harvested.

[3DMonkey]

Here's another hypothetical question: each planet is on its own harvest clock. What if a 3rd density civilization develops advance space travel and leaves the planet before harvest time, how would they be harvested.

Either by entering another planetary influence, subjecting themselves to a different clock, or, if there is a place between influences where no influence is, they would drift indefinitely, until an influence comes along.

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There might even be time/space scouts whose mission is to search the non-influenced sectors.

[BrownEye]

If anyone found out you could live forever, they may kill you

[3DMonkey]

That's why I keep it a secret

[kycahi]

Several years ago, a film came out that was a serious box office flop. It's called Aeon Flux. I happened upon it on a premium cable channel and ended up buying a copy. It covers some of the issues brought up here. I don't take it very seriously, like it's Wanderer-made or anything, but I like the future world it foresaw, especially how they talked.

It flopped, IMO, because one viewing would leave the audience pretty confused. I watched it like five times to fully appreciate it.

More on topic, I don't see true eternal life coming any time soon but I expect health science to extend life and health. Question: Would you want to dwell in 3D forever???

[Aaron]

I think this may answer your first question:

15.8 Questioner: If an entity were perfectly balanced with respect to the Law of One on this planet would he undergo the aging process?

Ra: I am Ra. A perfectly balanced entity would become tired rather than visibly aged. The lessons being learned, the entity would depart. However, this is appropriate and is a form of aging which your peoples do not experience. The understanding comes slowly, the body complex decomposing more rapidly.

As for your second question, I guess it depends on how thoroughly the cloning is done. We know that the mind manifests and body, and that the DNA is the link to spirit. I think that the configuration of the DNA determines what part or portion of the infinite spirit can flow into/through the mind/body complex. We also know that the mind changes over time as experience is gathered.

So if the clone is a baby and grows to the age of whoever was the stem cell donor, their brain would be thinking different thoughts (different conscious personality, although the subconscious biases would probably be the same) due to different experience gathered until that point because we're always moving through time.

If the clone has the exact same DNA and allows the exact same portion of the infinite spirit to flow through, then the consciousness of the original and the clone might be "split" between the two. (with no loss of strength) So the original might experience the consciousness of the other human being in parallel to his own, like living as two people at once.

Or who knows what else!

3DM, I like your idea about the planetary influences and the scouts.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Here's another hypothetical question: each planet is on its own harvest clock. What if a 3rd density civilization develops advance space travel and leaves the planet before harvest time, how would they be harvested.

I've always wondered this. Also, if a 3D entity manages to make it to another Logos system (like the trees from Sirius), and reproduce, are the children imprinted with their "home archetypes," or do they inherit the Logos' archetypes in the vicinity?

What about children born outside of any proximity of a Logos?

[3DMonkey]

Like a virus or bacteria foreign to the body, assimilation and balance of the body is achieved.

[unity100]

Here's another hypothetical question: each planet is on its own harvest clock. What if a 3rd density civilization develops advance space travel and leaves the planet before harvest time, how would they be harvested.

I've always wondered this. Also, if a 3D entity manages to make it to another Logos system (like the trees from Sirius), and reproduce, are the children imprinted with their "home archetypes," or do they inherit the Logos' archetypes in the vicinity?

What about children born outside of any proximity of a Logos?

observing the behavioral and belief differences in between denebians (chinese, asians, american indians etc), africans, semites (middle east to various parts of the world) would give you a clue.

[zenmaster]

I'm certain that the racial / planetary mind or planetary logos has a big influence on 'soul' bias, as unity pointed out. So yes, they inherit the home archetypes, then very slowly blend them with the local, if living here long enough. The work of 3D is "the establishment of the illusion and the viability of that which can be made spiritually viable". This process is nurtured by the 'living' planet. Presumably, the archetypal influence, related to personality bias, starts at 2D - and 2D is a long time.

Wanderers are affected the exact same way - the more earth incarnations, the less 'alien' they will feel. That is, the adjustment to the influences and patterns.

While we're on the subject, interestingly there are indications (from the Hopi or Denebians) that the placement of transplants was not at all random. That is, the archetypal biases of the major groups were intended to be balanced into a quadrated system - each race offering a 'piece of the puzzle' or an answer to balance and harmony.

[Oceania]

Aeon Flux was based on a toon of the same name. a cult thingy. very cool. i think it was for MTV and i used to watch it at night, it was completely insane.

[Unbound]

I believe every civilization has unlocked eternal life. Whether or not this constitutes third dimensional physical life is another thing. Although, in all honesty, I believe there is one, single trick to living forever. Don't die. Age is in the mind, not the body.

[Xenos]

Rather then unlocking the secret to eternal life, I think many civilizations in the past have REALIZED that life itself is eternal (for the mind spirit lives on forever, only our physical vessels age and die). Knowing this many have achieved to accelerate and accompany the soul and it's transition to the "after life".

Life is eternal already, for we are only dreaming and co-creating a part of it. But these parts are part of a book which never ends, forever being written, rewritten, revised, compiled and perfected into this memory we call experience.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Here's another hypothetical question: each planet is on its own harvest clock. What if a 3rd density civilization develops advance space travel and leaves the planet before harvest time, how would they be harvested.

I've always wondered this. Also, if a 3D entity manages to make it to another Logos system (like the trees from Sirius), and reproduce, are the children imprinted with their "home archetypes," or do they inherit the Logos' archetypes in the vicinity?

What about children born outside of any proximity of a Logos?

observing the behavioral and belief differences in between denebians (chinese, asians, american indians etc), africans, semites (middle east to various parts of the world) would give you a clue.

Were these literal transplants? Were actual entities brought from a separate logos and "set down" here in space/time in a literal way?

Or were they soul transplants, being transported between lifetimes?

And, if you have an answer, what is the source of the answer?

[Oceania]

I'd say that if they created 'eternal life' (rather than merely extending life), then they probably have no need for harvest anyway. I am not assuming that the maintenance of the body, over long durations, is not reduced to just a chemical/technological creation. The body is ultimately 'a creature of the mind's creation' - regardless of the purely external maintenance of the shell. Because of natural increase in 'entropy' over time, its continued viability ultimately depends on the continued balance of mind in the face of catalyst.

Why do you think a clone would have the same emotions? It would merely have the same genetic predispositions, like twins. Even then the consciousness, use of will in different circumstances, determines gene expression.

Here's another hypothetical question: each planet is on its own harvest clock. What if a 3rd density civilization develops advance space travel and leaves the planet before harvest time, how would they be harvested.

interesting! i think they would be stopped by the guardians. then again if they weren't i imagine they would be able to postpone or escape the clock strike if they go away from the galactic center and toward the outer reaches.