Wave after wave of truth and light and understanding is washing over this planet.

[zenmaster]

...Yes, we are all truly completely responsible for what is happening right now...

True. Even wanderers accepted to take their share when they chose to come here.

The opportunities provided would have little value without complete responsibility. In fact, we are responsible for so much more than we acknowledge that it comes back to us (unconsciously) as allegory such as we see with the hand-waving and silly situation framing. Funny and ridiculous.

[hogey11]

hand-waving and silly situation framing. Funny and ridiculous.

What are you referring to here? What is so funny and ridiculous exactly?

I feel like now we're arguing a completely different thing. If we're talking about responsibility, I will happily take responsibility for wanting a change on this planet towards 4D ideals. I relish the idea of taking responsibility for that. Why do you reject it?

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...Yes, we are all truly completely responsible for what is happening right now...

True. Even wanderers accepted to take their share when they chose to come here.

Wanderers may have also accepted their share to help push awareness and changes when the time comes too. Some of us feel compelled to spread hope. I know I do.

[AnthroHeart]

...Yes, we are all truly completely responsible for what is happening right now...

True. Even wanderers accepted to take their share when they chose to come here.

That's really something to think about. When times get hard, it's good to remember that.

[zenmaster]

hand-waving and silly situation framing. Funny and ridiculous.

What are you referring to here?

The overt bias paired with just enough protective distancing from awareness, as ad-hoc signs are created, situations framed, roles assigned, in order to indicate something we want to hear about ourselves, our past, present, and future.

[hogey11]

So how would you suggest people try to visualize a 4D positive planet from where we are now without a little wishful thinking? The place where we disagree is that what you would call 'overt bias' I would call 'listening to the self'. How do I learn any lessons by taking your word for it when my being screams at me to continue to push and prod people in my life to think of the world as so much more than what we've made it. Why should I stop telling people that we can change the world if we choose to?

If intention creates reality, why not meditate on the ideal we want to push forward? Do I have all the solutions to the problem? No! I also don't quit because somebody tells me that i'm not being pragmatic when the whole point of the exercise is to experiment with mystery.

The things that you cannot seem to accept are all mysterious. The reason you cannot speak to them is because they are all obscured; there is no answer that ends the curiosity. Why is this mystery so negative? You can't know if or when we make the next quantum leap forward in technology, biology or anything otherwise. I think it's silly of yourself to be so judgmental and concerned for others when you only are going to understand the lessons that you yourself have to learn. I don't doubt that your opinion fits your lessons required for you, but that doesn't mean I share them in the same way.

How is what i'm doing any different from visualization through meditation? Rather than retreat inward, I choose to push outward. Why must everything be about me?

[zenmaster]

hogey11, do whatever you want and rationalize it however you want. The illusion provides a lot of reflection to seekers, and will continue to provide it for as long as it takes.

[norral]

according to carlos barrios in his "book of destiny" dec 21 starts a new 5200 year cycle. characteristics of this are an equality between the male and the female energies, the reappearance of men-god type beings, and a generally more positive tone to affairs on this planet. i have to find the book and reread this again but im pretty sure i got the gist of what he is saying.
personally what i see happening between now and the end of the year is some financial unsettlement would be the best way to put it. i believe the markets have been propped up going into this election and they are going to start selling off. but who the heck really knows your guess is as good as mine ha ha.
where all going to find out together. anything that gives the human race freedom from the enslavement that has been imposed on us works for me

norral

[Plenum]

Why must everything be about me?

you're the only one here dude

[Patrick]

Why must everything be about me?

you're the only one here dude

Yeah and apparently you like talking to yourself.

[AnthroHeart]

That would be something norral if we had equality between the sexes. I think we're heading that way.

[Alex from Greece]

So yeeeeeah! Wave after wave of truth and light and understanding is washing over this planet!!! Times full of wonder!

[jacrob]

So yeeeeeah! Wave after wave of truth and light and understanding is washing over this planet!!! Times full of wonder!

Yes back to the subject at hand. Zenmaster's comments were a real downer

[zenmaster]

Find something to make you happy once again jacrob!

[Oceania]

*hug* jacrob!