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    04-14-2021, 12:43 PM
    The Ra contact was obviously meant for those of us on the positive path.

    I wonder how the negative path of the Law of One would be written.

    Does anyone have any idea?

    I can't imagine it, therefore it makes no sense to me. How would they balance their chakras? How would they balance their desire for "me, me, me" with respect for the One Infinite Creator? The path of separation seems like an anomaly to me, so I think I should read up on it.
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    04-14-2021, 12:53 PM
    There is such work out there. But since STS are liars it's always hard to know if the perspective they present really is what they believe.
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    04-14-2021, 12:55 PM
    I would think in terms of living by sheer, iron will, serving with maximum force, choosing by a narrow conception of one's desire.

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    04-14-2021, 01:28 PM
    (04-14-2021, 12:43 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: I wonder how the negative path of the Law of One would be written.
     
       
    You might have a structural problem here in the sense that in 6D where the Law of One is studied in detail, the negative path disappears. 
      
      
    On another note, your question reminds of a drawing I saw when I was kid which was used to teach the food chain.  It had a tiny fish in the open mouth of larger fish which was in the mouth of a somewhat larger fish, and on and on.  The teaching on the negative side is about how to become the biggest fish so you can eat as many smaller fish as possible.  Unless you honestly don't have a competitive bone in your body, you might be able to relate to this on some level.
       
      
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    04-14-2021, 01:35 PM
    Ra described what it needed to be on the negative path, how the energy centers work in that case, and all the archtypes info is useful no matter the polarity. I think the message was neutral enough (hence allowed to be transmitted) to potentially benefit either side.

    Its just a bias that presumes it is meant or is useful for STO exclusively.
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    04-14-2021, 01:59 PM
    (04-14-2021, 01:28 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 12:43 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: I wonder how the negative path of the Law of One would be written.
     
       
    You might have a structural problem here in the sense that in 6D where the Law of One is studied in detail, the negative path disappears. 
      
      
    On another note, your question reminds of a drawing I saw when I was kid which was used to teach the food chain.  It had a tiny fish in the open mouth of larger fish which was in the mouth of a somewhat larger fish, and on and on.  The teaching on the negative side is about how to become the biggest fish so you can eat as many smaller fish as possible.  Unless you honestly don't have a competitive bone in your body, you might be able to relate to this on some level.
       
      

    But they must have a way of balancing. Ra also says that Adolph Hitler confused himself somehow, so all the negative things he did were not enough for him to graduate after that incarnation.

    People entering 4th and 5th density must have their own energetic practices for graduation.

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    04-14-2021, 02:16 PM
    (04-14-2021, 01:59 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: ...
    But they must have a way of balancing. Ra also says that Adolph Hitler confused himself somehow, so all the negative things he did were not enough for him to graduate after that incarnation.  

    People entering 4th and 5th density must have their own energetic practices for graduation.

    According to Ra, Hitler did not even have the intent to walk the negative path in the first place.

    One incarnation is often not enough to make The Choice. Normally The Choice of polarity is made over a great many incarnations.

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    04-14-2021, 02:27 PM
    Quote:35.4 Questioner: I would now like to ask for the same type of information with respect to Adolf Hitler. You have given a little of this already. It is not necessary to re-cover what you have already given, but if you could complete that information it would be helpful.
    Ra: I am Ra. In speaking of the one you call Adolf we have some difficulty due to the intense amount of confusion present in this entity’s life patterns as well as the great confusion which greets any discussion of this entity.
    Here we see an example of one who, in attempting activation of the highest rays of energy while lacking the green-ray key, canceled itself out as far as polarization either towards positive or negative. This entity was basically negative. However, its confusion was such that the personality disintegrated, thus leaving the mind/body/spirit complex unharvestable and much in need of healing.
    This entity followed the pattern of negative polarization which suggests the elite and the enslaved, this being seen by the entity to be of an helpful nature for the societal structure. However, in drifting from the conscious polarization into what you may call a twilight world where dream took the place of events in your space/time continuum, this entity failed in its attempt to serve the Creator in an harvestable degree along the path of service to self. Thus we see the so-called insanity which may often arise when an entity attempts to polarize more quickly than experience may be integrated.
    We have advised and suggested caution and patience in previous communications and do so again, using this entity as an example of the over-hasty opening of polarization without due attention to the synthesized and integrated mind/body/spirit complex. To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground.

    Ra says he was negative, but confused himself.

    He seems to have followed the path as a negative entity would- repressed sexual desire followed by unusual sexual practices at other times.

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    04-14-2021, 02:39 PM (This post was last modified: 04-14-2021, 02:40 PM by Ymarsakar.)
    (04-14-2021, 12:43 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: The Ra contact was obviously meant for those of us on the positive path.

    I wonder how the negative path of the Law of One would be written.

    Does anyone have any idea?

    I can't imagine it, therefore it makes no sense to me. How would they balance their chakras? How would they balance their desire for "me, me, me" with respect for the One Infinite Creator? The path of separation seems like an anomaly to me, so I think I should read up on it.

    Balancing lower 3 chakras would look like q of england elizabeth or charles or phillip. You are respected and thought of as good. In reality, you are... not so good.

    So facade mazquerade begins there.

    The 4th is bypassed. 5th may or may not be bypassed. 6th indigo creates magik strength. They control their own timelines.

    They kill one guy. Hop to a timeline that they dont receive bad karma in. Keep hopping.

    Look for greetings from dark thread by zaxon. Extremely accurate. Not speculation

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    04-14-2021, 02:42 PM
    (04-14-2021, 02:27 PM)KaliSouth Wrote:
    Quote:35.4 Questioner: I would now like to ask for the same type of information with respect to Adolf Hitler. You have given a little of this already. It is not necessary to re-cover what you have already given, but if you could complete that information it would be helpful.
    Ra: I am Ra. In speaking of the one you call Adolf we have some difficulty due to the intense amount of confusion present in this entity’s life patterns as well as the great confusion which greets any discussion of this entity.
    Here we see an example of one who, in attempting activation of the highest rays of energy while lacking the green-ray key, canceled itself out as far as polarization either towards positive or negative. This entity was basically negative. However, its confusion was such that the personality disintegrated, thus leaving the mind/body/spirit complex unharvestable and much in need of healing.
    This entity followed the pattern of negative polarization which suggests the elite and the enslaved, this being seen by the entity to be of an helpful nature for the societal structure. However, in drifting from the conscious polarization into what you may call a twilight world where dream took the place of events in your space/time continuum, this entity failed in its attempt to serve the Creator in an harvestable degree along the path of service to self. Thus we see the so-called insanity which may often arise when an entity attempts to polarize more quickly than experience may be integrated.
    We have advised and suggested caution and patience in previous communications and do so again, using this entity as an example of the over-hasty opening of polarization without due attention to the synthesized and integrated mind/body/spirit complex. To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground.

    Ra says he was negative, but confused himself.

    He seems to have followed the path as a negative entity would- repressed sexual desire followed by unusual sexual practices at other times.

    I stand corrected. Smile

    I don't know where I got that view of Hitler.

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    04-14-2021, 03:07 PM (This post was last modified: 04-14-2021, 03:09 PM by Ymarsakar.)
    https://www.lawofone.info/s/7#17

    https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=Adolf

    In the second searched session, adolf s subordinates are confirmed to be alive. Operation paperclip succeeded in getting them out i see.

    There seems to be a heavy glamour or veil over the adolf thing. I got the impression or memory that the entity was positive or with good intentions. Apparently something else is going on. The soul would not be in such a dark place if it was just a depolarization issue.

    This confusion may be why 5th density and others refuse to incarnate. It is too risky.

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    04-14-2021, 03:19 PM
    (04-14-2021, 01:35 PM)zedro Wrote: Ra described what it needed to be on the negative path, how the energy centers work in that case, and all the archtypes info is useful no matter the polarity. I think the message was neutral enough (hence allowed to be transmitted) to potentially benefit either side.

    Its just a bias that presumes it is meant or is useful for STO exclusively.
    Interesting that you mention the Archetypes and the study thereof if an entity who were on the negative path to self service because they too study the Archetypes.
    Yes! No matter the polarity the Archetypes are useful.
    Of course, wisdom is wisdom. It is how we intend to use after all.
    Each Archetype contain both negative (feminine) and positive (masculine) side of Creation and Nature.

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    04-14-2021, 03:21 PM
    (04-14-2021, 02:16 PM)Patrick Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 01:59 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: ...
    But they must have a way of balancing. Ra also says that Adolph Hitler confused himself somehow, so all the negative things he did were not enough for him to graduate after that incarnation.  

    People entering 4th and 5th density must have their own energetic practices for graduation.

    According to Ra, Hitler did not even have the intent to walk the negative path in the first place.

    One incarnation is often not enough to make The Choice. Normally The Choice of polarity is made over a great many incarnations.
    Ra said that Adolf was "basically" negative. So, he was negative but somehow not enough (95% enough) negatively polarized and became confused and needed healing in the Astral Planes.
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    04-14-2021, 03:23 PM
    And Kalisouth...beat me to my own comment. Thank you Kali for looking it up. I was being lazy.

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    04-14-2021, 04:08 PM
    (04-14-2021, 03:21 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 02:16 PM)Patrick Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 01:59 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: ...
    But they must have a way of balancing. Ra also says that Adolph Hitler confused himself somehow, so all the negative things he did were not enough for him to graduate after that incarnation.  

    People entering 4th and 5th density must have their own energetic practices for graduation.

    According to Ra, Hitler did not even have the intent to walk the negative path in the first place.

    One incarnation is often not enough to make The Choice. Normally The Choice of polarity is made over a great many incarnations.
    Ra said that Adolf was "basically" negative. So, he was negative but somehow not enough (95% enough) negatively polarized and became confused and needed healing in the Astral Planes.

    That's how I read that too. As I said earlier he programmed some sexual deformities for his incarnation- probably to heighten his negativity. What philosophical text would have guided him? The Nazi's were into occult stuff too. I'm just not sure what. Would the Thelema books, for example, provide a guide for the negative path?

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    04-14-2021, 07:50 PM
    (04-14-2021, 04:08 PM)KaliSouth Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 03:21 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 02:16 PM)Patrick Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 01:59 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: ...
    But they must have a way of balancing. Ra also says that Adolph Hitler confused himself somehow, so all the negative things he did were not enough for him to graduate after that incarnation.  

    People entering 4th and 5th density must have their own energetic practices for graduation.

    According to Ra, Hitler did not even have the intent to walk the negative path in the first place.

    One incarnation is often not enough to make The Choice. Normally The Choice of polarity is made over a great many incarnations.
    Ra said that Adolf was "basically" negative. So, he was negative but somehow not enough (95% enough) negatively polarized and became confused and needed healing in the Astral Planes.

    That's how I read that too. As I said earlier he programmed some sexual deformities for his incarnation- probably to heighten his negativity. What philosophical text would have guided him? The Nazi's were into occult stuff too. I'm just not sure what. Would the Thelema books, for example, provide a guide for the negative path?
    I am not sure about Thelema being of the dark path in total I always saw it mixed at best. I would think some form of intense black magick. Which I would "think" could dislodge the personality if it were not balanced. And yes they all seemed to have dark, sexual perversions and I am completely sure they practiced sex magick. I have read just enough to know a little regarding the Nazis and Magick. I don't know perhaps someone else will know a little more. I'm not much of a help here. What are your thoughts on Thelema Magick? Negative, positive, mixed? Um, not that I want to know from experiencing it. Yeah, no.
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    04-14-2021, 07:51 PM
    (04-14-2021, 04:08 PM)KaliSouth Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 03:21 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 02:16 PM)Patrick Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 01:59 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: ...
    But they must have a way of balancing. Ra also says that Adolph Hitler confused himself somehow, so all the negative things he did were not enough for him to graduate after that incarnation.  

    People entering 4th and 5th density must have their own energetic practices for graduation.

    According to Ra, Hitler did not even have the intent to walk the negative path in the first place.

    One incarnation is often not enough to make The Choice. Normally The Choice of polarity is made over a great many incarnations.
    Ra said that Adolf was "basically" negative. So, he was negative but somehow not enough (95% enough) negatively polarized and became confused and needed healing in the Astral Planes.

    That's how I read that too. As I said earlier he programmed some sexual deformities for his incarnation- probably to heighten his negativity. What philosophical text would have guided him? The Nazi's were into occult stuff too. I'm just not sure what. Would the Thelema books, for example, provide a guide for the negative path?
    I am not sure about Thelema being of the dark path in total I always saw it mixed at best. I would think some form of intense black magick. Which I would "think" could dislodge the personality if it were not balanced. And yes they all seemed to have dark, sexual perversions and I am completely sure they practiced sex magick. I have read just enough to know a little regarding the Nazis and Magick. I don't know perhaps someone else will know a little more. I'm not much of a help here. What are your thoughts on Thelema Magick? Negative, positive, mixed? Um, not that I want to know from experiencing it. Yeah, no.

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    04-14-2021, 08:17 PM (This post was last modified: 04-14-2021, 08:18 PM by Ymarsakar.)
    I would not even call thelema magick. Those are not even real spells but more like hedge manifestors.

    As for the germans, look up their ahnerbe unit collecting artifacts. In fact wolfenstein 2009 and other games have done more to expose what nazis were rrally doing. Plus operation paperclip and captain america.

    Aleister crowley got close but he did not make it past the tests.

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    (04-14-2021, 07:51 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 04:08 PM)KaliSouth Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 03:21 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 02:16 PM)Patrick Wrote:
    (04-14-2021, 01:59 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: ...
    But they must have a way of balancing. Ra also says that Adolph Hitler confused himself somehow, so all the negative things he did were not enough for him to graduate after that incarnation.  

    People entering 4th and 5th density must have their own energetic practices for graduation.

    According to Ra, Hitler did not even have the intent to walk the negative path in the first place.

    One incarnation is often not enough to make The Choice. Normally The Choice of polarity is made over a great many incarnations.
    Ra said that Adolf was "basically" negative. So, he was negative but somehow not enough (95% enough) negatively polarized and became confused and needed healing in the Astral Planes.

    That's how I read that too. As I said earlier he programmed some sexual deformities for his incarnation- probably to heighten his negativity. What philosophical text would have guided him? The Nazi's were into occult stuff too. I'm just not sure what. Would the Thelema books, for example, provide a guide for the negative path?
    I am not sure about Thelema being of the dark path in total I always saw it mixed at best. I would think some form of intense black magick. Which I would "think" could dislodge the personality if it were not balanced. And yes they all seemed to have dark, sexual perversions and I am completely sure they practiced sex magick. I have read just enough to know a little regarding the Nazis and Magick. I don't know perhaps someone else will know a little more. I'm not much of a help here. What are your thoughts on Thelema Magick? Negative, positive, mixed? Um, not that I want to know from experiencing it. Yeah, no.

    Aliester Crowley seems to have been on the negative path. "Do what thou will" sounds like it could fit into the paradigm of respecting the law of free will while doing things that others might find appalling. I can't say that's how ALL Thelemites feel because it's impossible for me to know. STS people are not going to open up to me - they stay away far away from because they know I know what their game is, as opposed to other people who can't read energy. It's all service to the Creator anyway, just not MY preferred path.

    It's actually interesting that he went to Egypt for inspiration. From Ra's explanation it looks like there was a bit of the negative path on the clergy's side trying to undercut their (Ra's) influence on the Pharaoh. Perhaps there are manuscripts locked away somewhere that describe the negative balancing path. The elite would have locked them away from the rest of us because they believe that hiding knowledge gives them power.

    Just out of interest, Hollywood movies seem steeped in a dark version of spiritual symbolism. Supposedly many of the people in the industry are secret fans of Aliester Crowley. What do you think?

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    04-15-2021, 09:56 AM
    (04-14-2021, 12:43 PM)KaliSouth Wrote: I wonder how the negative path of the Law of One would be written.

    Does anyone have any idea?

    I can't imagine it, therefore it makes no sense to me. How would they balance their chakras? How would they balance their desire for "me, me, me" with respect for the One Infinite Creator? The path of separation seems like an anomaly to me, so I think I should read up on it.

    Just negate everything on the positive path, as negative path is the opposite.
    The same thing works the other way around, negate everything on negative path to get the positive path.
    Negs are the Entropy while Pos are the Negentropy .

    Negs skipped the Anahata / Green chakra.
    They see compassion, forgiveness, love (the unconditional love) as 'weakness'.
    So they're 'unbalanced', at least from STO perspective.

    If it's Audio or Music it's like cutting off the Mids and boosting the bass and the treble.
    Some people does favor such "V" configuration in their audio equalizer.
    And that's "balanced" according to them.

    On the "Unity" perspective, it will be a kind of, since I AM the infinite creator then every others rightfully belongs to me. Enforcing my will upon them is my birth right to do so because I AM the infinite creator and more superior than others.

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    05-28-2021, 05:09 AM
    Evil rarely sails under own flag for that will reveal them straight away.  The agents of evil will pretend to be the good guys, for that gives them time and shelter to expand on their business of evil. The smarter they are, the more hipocrisy and charade is spun. All to deceive and create the fog of war.

    So the evil counterpart of Law of One, will use the material as is. They will just be ironic about it, blah blah they say, they are not obsessed by it, does keep a distance, do think for themselves, blah blah. While giving a lot of praise to a balance point, condemning the other, luring people to think in black and white and only move in that direction, yes only walk with one leg.  Sorting out light sources, coming up with toxic mumbojumbo speeches to quench it.. and so on.
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    There is a point on the path of any adept where manuscripts, systems and the like are no longer the foundation of your work, and instead the creative vehicle of the mind is utilized. Yes, there are systems for both positive and negative which can bring you to this threshold, but to cross and enter 'adepthood' is a unique affair which looks different for every person who crosses.

    The positive and negative both view themselves as the Creator. The only difference is the positive works through acceptance of catalyst, and the negative through control of catalyst. The use of catalyst is the key to polarization.

    Quote:46.9 Questioner: Certainly.

    Ra: The entity polarizing positively perceives the anger. This entity, if using this catalyst mentally, blesses and loves this anger in itself. It then intensifies this anger consciously in mind alone until the folly of this red-ray energy is perceived, not as folly in itself, but as energy subject to spiritual entropy due to the randomness of energy being used.

    Positive orientation then provides the will and faith to continue this mentally intense experience of letting the anger be understood, accepted, and integrated with the mind/body/spirit complex. The other-self which is the object of anger is thus transformed into an object of acceptance, understanding, and accommodation, all being reintegrated using the great energy which anger began.

    The negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complex will use this anger in a similarly conscious fashion, refusing to accept the undirected, or random, energy of anger and instead, through will and faith, funneling this energy into a practical means of venting the negative aspect of this emotion so as to obtain control over other-self or otherwise control the situation causing anger.

    Control is the key to negatively polarized use of catalyst. Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst. Between these polarities lies the potential for this random and undirected energy creating a bodily complex analog of what you call the cancerous growth of tissue.

    An adept is one who consciously chooses to use one approach or the other more dominantly and consistently.

    The Law of One thus is something either that is to be accepted or controlled. They are both rooted in the self as Creator. The positive also accepts other-self as creator, while the negative controls other-self as creator, and hence the concept of free will infringement.

    The weird thing is that Unity still seems to have biases of compassion.

    Quote:1.5 Questioner: Could you give me a little more detail about your role with the Egyptians?

    Ra: I am Ra. The identity of the vibration Ra is our identity. We as a group, or what you would call a social memory complex, made contact with a race of your planetary kind which you call Egyptians. Others from our density made contact at the same time in South America, and the so-called “lost cities” were their attempts to contribute to the Law of One.

    We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any.

    When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in. And other myths, shall we say, other understandings having more to do with polarity and the things of your vibrational complex, again took over in that particular society complex.

    Does this form a sufficient amount of information, or could we speak further?

    Anyways, that's some of my speculation on it.

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    05-28-2021, 07:10 PM
    (05-28-2021, 05:23 PM)Aion Wrote: An adept is one who consciously chooses to use one approach or the other more dominantly and consistently.

    The Law of One thus is something either that is to be accepted or controlled. They are both rooted in the self as Creator. The positive also accepts other-self as creator, while the negative controls other-self as creator, and hence the concept of free will infringement.

    My only issue with this statement is that the Law of One is not that which is accepted or controlled. The law is the law. What is accepted or controlled is ultimately the self, and by extension, other-selves.

    I personally think the Ra material is the most accurate guide in existence to STS or STO adepthood.

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    05-28-2021, 07:26 PM (This post was last modified: 05-28-2021, 07:26 PM by Aion.)
    (05-28-2021, 07:10 PM)Dtris Wrote:
    (05-28-2021, 05:23 PM)Aion Wrote: An adept is one who consciously chooses to use one approach or the other more dominantly and consistently.

    The Law of One thus is something either that is to be accepted or controlled. They are both rooted in the self as Creator. The positive also accepts other-self as creator, while the negative controls other-self as creator, and hence the concept of free will infringement.

    My only issue with this statement is that the Law of One is not that which is accepted or controlled. The law is the law. What is accepted or controlled is ultimately the self, and by extension, other-selves.

    I personally think the Ra material is the most accurate guide in existence to STS or STO adepthood.

    True perhaps I said that more enigmatically than intended. What I meant to imply is that one can either reject or embrace the reality of unity and this equates to control or acceptance through one's actions and choices.

    I personally have found that the Ra material is especially meaningful if you start to view it through the Hermetic tradition.
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