What if there is another God/Creator?

[Bosphorus1982]

Dear guys,

I'd like to share a nice thing with ya. It's a small article i'd written on another forum about God

Take care




A question that can arise from Monotheistic philosophies. What if there are more than a single God.

The truth, here, is that Monotheism isn't completely accurate. It's not wrong but inadequate.

The Almighty God or Creator, as we know Him, isn't an entity that exists outside the Universe(s). He's actually the Whole Creation. If He was just an entity outside the Universe(s), then He would be limited. Also, it's a question of defining the nature of God. We all know that an Almighty Creator exists; however we are unaware of His true Nature. The thing is that God is Intelligent Infinity. As Consciousness with Energy, He's Everything that Exists. Not only this or that. By saying this or that isn't God, we are just limitating Him. There is nothing He is not. By definition, as He's Eternal and Unlimited, He covers everything and everyone that exists. Holy Bible and Q'uran also state that He made us in His likeness. Therefore, it would be accurate to say we're gods (with lowercase g) and we are each, a Manifestation of Him

It can also be said that, God is One and One is God. Just like Jesus said, "My Father and I are One"

[Raukura Waihaha]

I feel like the issue stems from humans worshipping a creator called Yahweh which led to a misunderstanding of our true essence as the one infinite creator.
I would say that us being created (cloned) in "His" likeness, is a reference to this and further goes to show the relevance of my previous statement.

[Patrick]

When I think about artificial intelligence, I remind myself that everything is made of light, including any machine running an AI, and that this light is a manifestation of intelligent energy.  So everything is conscious including an AI.  A truly intelligent computer would still be the Creator experiencing itself.

[zedro]

Warning: possibly disturbing idea below?. At least it felt that way to me (well, terrifying actually) when I dreamed it up on a mediation trip.

The concept was there are mirror opposite creators, one positive (where we inhabit) and one negative. The two creations are not aware of each other, they are initially separate. So our creation goes about it's business as we understand it, starting off simple, with basic archetypal rulesets. Then, as we know, it decides to add polarity into the mix, the negative aspects it had not known before, to enrich it's existence. Well in this process (thru whatever mechanism or narrative, like fallen angels, etc) a portal to the mirror creation is opened. The initial instinct of the mirror creation (or it's invading sub components) is to take over, to infect, or perhaps, to merge the two creations into one.

In writing this, I just realized that this is the opposite of the STS narrative, where they want to divide the single creation into 2, like a cell who is multiplying. And in this story I've constructed, you could say that this brings us right back to the tale of the mirrored creations, one positive, and one negative, who are once again separate and unaware, but somehow compelled to explore each other once again, infinitely merging and separating.

Well it's a neat short story anyways.

[AnthroHeart]

My understanding is God evolved in the past much like we do, probably being many beings approaching as one as we do in 7th density, in a previous Octave.

My understanding is God would be like a teen compared to other Gods.

[jafar]

I did 'ask' / 'ponder' about the question.

And the 'answer' that I found is:
If God is defined as "The Creator", there is no possibility that there is another God, given the reason behind why there is only one God is because God is an infinity, God has no border / limit whatsoever on any dimension. Having attended math classes where the concept of 'infinite numbers' were being discussed makes it easier for me to grasp the concept. If there's another God, totally separate, then a border need to be defined to make a distinction between God A and God B, which render both "God" to be no longer infinite in any dimension, but became finite in that specific dimension where the border between God A and God B is being defined.

The above 'answer' came long before I found Ra's material.

The first 'word' that makes me resonate with Mr Ra, is this specific word that he uses. "Infinite Creator".
Which spark my interest to read further, as it seems Mr Ra and me have the same perception about "The Creator".

So yes, God / Infinite Creator is not an 'finite thing' that exist inside the universe.
It's the other way around, this universe is a finite thing within God / Infinite Creator.

Now about the works of Torah, Gospel and Quran.
I'm familiar with those material and I found 'discrepancies' within, some does aligned with the conception of 'Infinite Creator' and some does not. Few example, God get angry and declare war with the 'unbeliever' / 'the philistines' doesn't resonate well and to me it's kind of ridiculous, God is making a war with a part of Himself. My personal take on this is, this section is definitely the view of 'finite being' who see that he/she has an 'enemy' who are 'totally separated' from his/her self and he/she declare 'war' towards them. God being envious or jealous of 'another God' and 'punished' those who worshipped 'another God' also doesn't resonate well with me.

While the description such as "God is closer to you than your own vein" resonate well with me, the "I am which I am" also resonate well with me, the 'love your neighbor as yourself' also resonate well with me. As 'neighbor' / the other self is also part of the "I am" part of 'me'.

So in summary: those works is a kind of mixed bag..

And after reading more on Ra's material, I'm starting to understand why, the works contain 'stimulus' or 'catalyst' for both STS and STO thus one can choose to gravitate to respective part of the books in order for them to 'evolve' further.

[zedro]

Having attended math classes where the concept of 'infinite numbers' were being discussed makes it easier for me to grasp the concept. If there's another God, totally separate, then a border need to be defined to make a distinction between God A and God B, which render both "God" to be no longer infinite in any dimension, but became finite in that specific dimension where the border between God A and God B is being defined.

This is why I never consider numbers going up because infinity becomes unbounded. I find it more useful to look at it in the other direction, as 1 approaching 0 in desired fractions.

Unity is the number 1, it is whole. Unity then gets divided (fractally) to a potential infinite degree. Except it doesn't have to either, it can divide in intervals (halve it, then halve it again, and again, either to a limit or forever). So if unity is 1, and can also incorporate infinity at the same time, it is both bounded and infinite. You want a second creator, well you have a separate unique entity/unity also of one, also infinitely divisible. They are parallel and can also interact or be independent simultaneously because of the infinite solution sets contained within that could theoretically mesh together at certain logical points.

When I think of unity (1), or the creation for that matter, I usually picture a sphere, smooth and non distinct, without character (pure and solid, completely unified). But if you choose to zoom in, you can see it's fractal makeup, and zoom in forever. But where ever you choose to freeze your zoomed in vantage point, that again looks like that unified sphere again, it is your set limit, or the smallest unit of information you can identify.

Another way of looking at the unity/infinity dichotomy, is digital vs analog. Digital is the unified character, analog is the transient character that you zoom in and out of between digital spaces. Like travel between 2 nodal points in time (digital), you could have infinite variability between those 2 nodes (analog space). It is also the difference between a wave (analog) and partical (digital). The analog wave may represent information thru time or space, but conversely the digital particle represents that same wave at a specific point in space or time.

(Note I'm super tired right now so I may read this tomorrow morning and edit it more coherently lol).

[AnthroHeart]

I believe God is this Universe, and the Infinite Creator is like all of Creation/Multi-verses.

[Nau7ik]

I wholly agree with everything you said just not the initial title of the post, lol. Indeed, “the Logos is begotten not made.” There is nothing (No-thing) but the One. The manifested universe is like the body of God, one could say. We are his vehicles for experience. We indeed are the Infinite Creator at the deepest core of our being, and the path of attainment is realization of our true nature.

There are two Tarot cards reverent to this discussion. (1) The Fool because this Key (0/no-thing) represents the state of the One Life just prior to manifestation. His gaze is looking up and towards the next mountain peak to which he aspires to. He has not yet entered into manifestation (he is on the edge of a cliff, the chasm below him represents the manifested universe.) the Fool is confident and joyful because he knows nothing can harm him as he descends into matter and form.


The next relevant Key is Key 9–The Hermit. This card represents the One Identity. He stands atop a mountain peak holding out a lamp as a guiding light for those making their way up the mountain (of attainment). The number 9 represents completion, goal, mastery, adeptship, perfection, conclusion. The Hermit’s true identity is the Ancient of Days, the “No-thing” which had set forth on this journey of experience and form. This is the same identity as the Fool, for there can be no other. The Fool is the eternal youth, always and ever at the height of its power. The Ancient of Days is the source of all and the goal of all endeavor.

”The sign which precedes all manifestation is 0, and 9, the final figure of the digital series, denotes completion, perfection, realization. The only perfect Being must be the Absolute, and the Absolute is not only No-Thing (the Fool) but is also That which is completely alone (Hermit). Perfection is prior to, and behind, all manifestation, yet it also beyond and above all things.”
—The Tarot by Paul Foster Case

[jafar]

I believe God is this Universe, and the Infinite Creator is like all of Creation/Multi-verses.

This is an interesting statement, where God is defined as NOT The Infinite Creator.
That's why I often asked "What do you mean by the word "God"".
As each person's perspective might be different.

If that's the definition, then God(s) is a part of Infinite Creator.
A God is a finite being, part of Infinite Creator, just like each of us are also part of Infinite Creator.
Infinite Creator is all universes / realms (including 'conscious beings' or gods inside each) and "more"...

Sanskrit uses different word for "Deva/Devi" which literally means "Shining Being" but often being translated to English as "Gods" and "Goddesses" and Brahman, the pervasive and infinite source of all things, which commonly translated to English as "God" as well, creating a confusion.

If it's "Infinite" then there's no other thing than the Infinite Creator or Brahman (or any other name that each culture define for this concept). Everything else is part of it.. and actually everything else (which is finite) is the Infinite Creator who identified him/her/itself as part of it. And the 'path' of each part will eventually lead back to the unification towards the Infinite Creator or Brahman through dissolution of the finite and temporal identity.

all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity.
-- Law of One, Book I, Session 4

Or in the word of Neale Donald Walsch, "you will eventually realize that there is only one person in the room".

[Ohr Ein Sof]

As Ra would say, "we are dancing thoughts". Meaning we live, move and have our being within the Mind of God.

[dreamoftheiris]

Interesting thought. This brings up a point about the two paths.

The STO and STS path differs thusly:

- STO is seeking transformation of their will to align with the One.
- STS is seeking to empower their will to become their own god separate from the One.

Since all is one, your will is already God's will, even if you try to become your own god. Which is one reason I think there is a limit to the STS path.

[flofrog]

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Or in the word of Neale Donald Walsch, "you will eventually realize that there is only one person in the room".

I remember when I read this line so long ago when it was published I had chills thinking this is so the key... and then years later I found my little Ra

[jafar]

Many-ness, can only be defined within 'finite' concept, not infinity.

In order to say / think 'many', one need to create a border between this and that, between something and something else, between somebody and somebody else.
Thus one can say, this is 1, that is 2, and over there is 3 and so on.
A clear border between things we labeled as 1, 2 and 3 is clearly defined by the one who's counting.

Infinity has no border at all, one can try to find the border in order to complete the definition of "this is 1" and begin the seeking of "that is 2" but he will keep on finding and finding and finding and finding..... and will never find the border. There's always more and more...

In math classes, to introduce the conception of infinity, we 'simulate the experience' using calculation of 10 divide by 3.
The results is 3,33333333333333333333333333 -> until infinity, no end in sight....

Thus there is no possibility that there could be 2 infinity, as even trying to find the 'end' of 1 and 'beginning' of 2, the calculator will try to find it until infinite amount of time. The only limit is the calculator's own lifetime... as the calculator is a finite being.

In computer we call this 'infinite loop', and usually there's a guard within each Operating System for this type of calculation, when such infinite constant loop is detected the Operating System will perform 'deliberate stop' of the infinite calculation and the user will call this as 'the computer/smart phone/device has crashed'.

I describe this as foundational understanding, before trying to give an answer to the question below.

The STO and STS path differs thusly:

- STO is seeking transformation of their will to align with the One.
- STS is seeking to empower their will to become their own god separate from the One.

Since all is one, your will is already God's will, even if you try to become your own god.  Which is one reason I think there is a limit to the STS path.

STO are those who view that the other 'self' is part of his/her/it own 'self', thus he seeks other 'self' to also love the other 'self' by honoring other self free will. As he/she/it know that the other self would like to have their free will respected because that's how he/she/it like to be treated in the first place. (treat others as you like to be treated)

STS are those who view that the other 'self' is not part of his/her/it own 'self', but he seeks to have the other self as part of his/her/it's own self (possession), in which his initial 'self' will become the dominant 'self' over the other 'self'. Thus by doing so he/she/it doesn't really care about the other's free will, as STS view his/her/own self 'know better' or 'superior' compared to the other self. That's why 'power struggle' between STS is a common place, as each STS think that it's own self is the 'dominant' self compared to others. That's also why 'hierarchy' is the preferred structure of STS organization / society.

In it's own way, both actually seek 'unity' with other self.

Until both STOs and STSes realize that the number of other self is actually infinite... there's no limit on how many 'other self' out there that's not yet 'in'. Thus realize, by it's own free will, that the only way to 'become' the infinite is not through preservation of the finite self or expansion of the border which define the finite self, (the "us" or "we" or "my") but to obliterate the border of the finite self. Thus obliterating the limitation / border of his/her/it/us/my definition.

By destroying the limitation / border of "us" / "we" / "my" / "ours", it will also destroy the definition of "them" / "theirs".
As "they", "theirs" exist because "us/we/my/ours" exist. Thus the end of finite or 'bordered' identification.

[Raukura Waihaha]

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Or in the word of Neale Donald Walsch, "you will eventually realize that there is only one person in the room".

I remember when I read this line so long ago when it was published I had chills thinking this is so  the key...  and then years later I found my little Ra  

This was the book that expanded my mind initially, before I found bringers of the dawn and then the Ra Material.

[meadow-foreigner]

In math classes, to introduce the conception of infinity, we 'simulate the experience' using calculation of 10 divide by 3.
The results is 3,33333333333333333333333333 -> until infinity, no end in sight....

In a decimal number system, that is, which isn't the only one out there

The Mayans, for instance, used a vigesimal number system. Languages in the Nigerian Middle Belt such as Janji, Gbiri-Niragu (Gure-Kahugu), Piti, and the Nimbia dialect of Gwandara; and the Chepang language of Nepal are known to use duodecimal numerals.