Is possible "jump" a density?

[Infinite]

Well, what about the Buddha? He attained complete and perfect enlightenment in his third density incarnation. The Buddha offered the path out of the cycle of birth and death, which includes higher density incarnation, as there is still birth and death all the way up to 6th density.

On which is based this conclusion ? The samsara refer to 3D bodies recyclage in my humble opinion.

I believe that the natural progression is sequential, like you say, but that the path offered by ththe Buddha is one that has the potential to penetrate 8th density. I could be wrong, sure.

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The Buddha's teachings lead to the end of the path.

Well, I really like of Buddha's teachings. But I see the consciousness progression as an expansion of energy vibration. A 3D entity can't support a directly expansion to 8D because the lessons to suport this was not learned yet. It's like try put an ocean in a bucket.

This is a view shared by S Mandelker, and it makes sense to me.

Can you send a link to this?

So I think my opinion has validity. I do not think it contradicts anything Ra says. You don't have to take my word though, I encourage others to look into it themselves if interested, and decide for yourself.

I say the same. I will take this as a possibility and search to this truth.

Verum Occultum, I don't think it's as easy to do that in higher densities. Remember that wanderers come here, partly, because the learning can be greatly accelerated due to the intensity of third density catalyst.

This is another great point about the directly progression to 8D. If the wandereres (that have so much knowledge than us) incarnate in 3D planets to increase your progress, this is an evidence that a directly progression it's not possbile.

Well, is possible that you is talking about live in nirvana or together with the Creator instead to manifeste yourself. This is possible to 4D entities but they choose to serve and learne in the manifested worlds.

The Law of One. An adept who penetrates intelligent infinity can harvest themselves instantly, but the STO entity will most likely have the overwhelming desire to share with others rather than terminating the incarnation, which an STS entity would do.

I know this, it's the ascension. But an adept must work a lot of time to come to your state. I don't see this as "instantly" but as consequence of your hard work on yourself.

[Verum Occultum]

I know this, it's the ascension. But an adept must work a lot of time to come to your state. I don't see this as "instantly" but as consequence of your hard work on yourself.

The instantly part is simply meant in the way that they won't have to wait for the natural cycle progression, but can harvest themselves at any point in the cycle. Also here is another idea that can illuminate the concept about what you are speaking:

Any entity may at any time instantaneously clear and balance its energy centers.

(75.35)

[Night Owl]

The original question is legit, and has been discussed a few times, although it seems there is often much focus on the seperation of the densities with these questions as if it comes from a place of feeling a lack of it's actual state. From my understanding, this might be creating the seperation between the state one might feel to be belonging to and the state they are in right now.

We each are in every densities simultaneously and every densities contains the others within itself in parallel as sub-densities. The harvest is something that has already happened from a time/space perspective. Focusing now on the 3D pre-harvest coordinate ''is'' the desire. Consciousness can shift focus at any coordinate of space/time time/space of the octave, but it can't go against the initial desire to be right here right now (which involves certain temporary restraints), and everything that is happening and surrounding oneself is answering that very desire. And so while it ''is'' possible, it seems like it is not what those who are here desire simply because here we are, searching for it.

The desire to skip steps, although a very natural one, is usually born out of a lack of densely working on the present steps, creating a state of lack by not receiving the results of the present process, which manifests as impatience. But the hierarchy of densities is not a race in which moving faster will get one to the end line faster. We are at the end of the line, or more exactly, we are ever moving beyond the line because there is no line, that's why it's called ''infinity''. We are ever harvesting. Each frame of present is a harvest. There is no actual end, only transformation. The boundary of the ''line'' is one of transformation, consciousness needs to be able to contain what it focus on for it's reality to hold on together. And so feeling seperated from anything means we cannot contain it as part of a whole.

Shifting density simply means shifting focus to a different state of awareness, one that contains more vibrations. It is like shifting notes on a keyboard, it just makes a different song. Going for a higher note contains a higher frequency which contains mathematically all of the lower ones in terms of Hz, and so each higher note is more unified than the previous. An instrument that has very heavy strings will have a harder time going for the higher notes. The heaviness of the strings could be seen as a metaphor for our energical weight. Our emotions are the strings with which we play our own song. When weighted down by emotional issues, we can't achieve a more united state of awareness. My supposition is that it is likely that the desired density to be focuses on is this one right here, your own song. It's perfectly tuned to be dense enough for a mind/body/spirit complex and all the catalyst that comes with it. If it doesn't feel dense enough, there could possibly be an unanswered need to get more ''densely'' into it.

[Verum Occultum]

Night Owl, I don't think the focus of this conversation is if anyone desires to skip a density, but merely if it is possible at all. At least that is my initial question.

I agree with many things you have said and I think you are correct that the harvest has already happened from time/space perspective. Everything is present. Everything is complete. However, our focus determines which direction we will take in this game called Life.

The higher you go, the deeper you go. The potentials of experience in higher densities via a more intense concentration of energy are not often "formalized". Our physical reality of 3D seems to be formalized.

The deeper one goes, the more abstract and stranger it gets. As the energy is more "delicate" or "sensitive," more must be manifested from the inside out. A soul not ready to manipulate that intensity of energy could not maintain stability of mind at that state. Metaphorically I think it's good that a child learns to read before trying to comprehend the calculus.

[Night Owl]

I understand the questioning, it is very legitimate. I'm not saying it should stop either. It was not a personal criticism toward you, more a general warning for many who are usually interested in this topic. There is obviously no harm done by just asking, and you certainly don't seem to struggle with that concept yourself. As an explorer myself, it is one subject I like to dive into, and I also have this tendancy to wander into unknown territories. I'm actually also exploring unknown territory while writing this. My answer to the question was still that I do believe it's possible, my point being mainly that the reason we come here on earth under very restricting parameters is that experiencing restictions of awareness is what we want right now. But my recent conclusions have led me to believe that we would eventually expand our consciousness more towards the higher planes if we were to focus on the reality that surrounds us right now as much as possible, instead of dividing our focus on what is out of reach (for now). If we unite with what is possible to contain inside of us, our consciousness grow in density, giving us more reach. If we try to unite with things we cannot contain, then we have at best confirmed our unreadiness to the task. So this questioning has also the merit of drawing that line somewhere in between.

One of the points I also included is that other densities are accessible from here, and so I think that ''if efficiency is the goal'', understanding our own subdensities in order to get a grasp of them will get us further than focusing with those we can't possibly encompass with a 3D mind/body. The 5th sub density contains the microscopic blueprint of the 5th density content that our mind is able to contain, only we do not need it to be our only encompassing reality. And so yes we can travel through them all we want right here. We just have too limited mind focus to maintain that awareness on a daily basis. However it is possible to be encompassing the seventh subdensity on a daily basis through hard work which requires to be very connected to the ''right here right now''. That's why I believe the further we seek into the unknown, the more it will eventually get us back right here where it started. It's kind of like a loop. So you could see my post as mostly saying, the deeper we go down this questioning, the more present we need to be in order to answer it.

[loostudent]

I believe that the natural progression is sequential, like you say, but that the path offered by ththe Buddha is one that has the potential to penetrate 8th density. I could be wrong, sure. This is a view shared by S Mandelker, and it makes sense to me. The Buddha's teachings lead to the end of the path.

So I think my opinion has validity. I do not think it contradicts anything Ra says. You don't have to take my word though, I encourage others to look into it themselves if interested, and decide for yourself.

I think it would be extremely unlikely that someone would learn lessons of all densities during one 3d cycle.
If Buddha was indeed harvested straight to 8d (octave) he might have been a wanderer from the octave above.

[unity100]

Density 'skipping' seems to be possible:

Ra speaks about how when a polarity choice is not given, the progression took the form of a very long 3rd density followed by a very long 4th density, and then when entities started seeing the creator, they very rapidly moved to 8th density. This was explained in a manner that implied densities in between 4th and 8th were not present.

So according to this an entity in such an environment at the end of 4th density would start seeing the creator eventually and would very speedily pass towards 8th density.

This may imply that if entities stay in a density which provides other-self experiences like 3d and 4d too long, they would eventually mature enough to pass swiftly to 8d.

Or it can also mean that this could only happen in environments where polarity choice is not presented.

However, in both cases, the entity does not skip the densities in the end - at the end of its evolution in 4d, the entity would have already amassed enough relevant experiences for making up for experiences which would be separately lived in 5th density and on, maturing the entity enough to manifest these vibrations eventually.

So the entity would already have gone through these densities in a sense, except while incarnated in 4d...

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Ra also spoke about ration needing to be same. Like how they spent more time in 5d in order to balance their fast 4d experience.

This would mean that you have to go through every density experience, even if you live these higher density experiences in 4d like in the non-polarity choice cases. (Or like how it was before this octave). So these entities spend a lot of time in 3d and 4d, therefore they have very fast 5d, 6d and 7d experiences as a result. They dont skip.

So, you cant skip densities - you can just fast forward through them.

[AnthroHeart]

When I had schizophrenia episodes once I heard a voice saying that I could skip the next Octave if I wanted to. I could see the octaves lined up one after another. But I said no. It would probably frighten me the Octave after the next.

[Infinite]

I found the answer to this my question. Second Laitos, isn't possible jump a density. Here is an excellent answer about this:

Questioner: Yes, thank you. I got a letter today from a brother who is very, very busy seeking Nirvana of the quickie variety and he would like to know the answer to a question which is difficult for me to fathom. However, I will ask it as he asked it because I would very much appreciate being able to send him a reply. He has studied under a yogic philosophy for many years and would very much like to return to the source. He identifies this source as being at the ninth density. He would like to know if it is possible to bypass all the intervening densities in this lifetime and go back to the source using his yogic practices. Could you comment on these concepts and help our brother, who is truly an earnest seeker, in any way that you see appropriate, please?

I am Laitos, and am aware of your question. We are also aware that entities such as this brother upon your planet at this time seek with great intensity the meaning of their lives and a path which might bring them that which might be called enlightenment. Many are the ways which your peoples have chosen to seek this path throughout the history of your planet. Each path has provided integral pieces of the puzzle, shall we say, which are most necessary for the sincere seeker to utilize in the polarization of the self to a degree which is, shall we say, harvestable. Many such paths have produced those called the saints, the avatars, the gurus, each of which, through disciplined exercises of many kinds, has been able to balance the centers of energy in your mind and body/mind/spirit complex to a degree that is necessary for this harvest into the next density of the illusion of the one Creator. Each discipline, while providing a viable path for the spiritual evolution, also contains those facets which may be considered distortions or misapprehensions of certain spiritual qualities and descriptions.

It is our humble understanding that the path of spiritual evolution must be one which is straight and narrow and of some considerable length, traveling through many illusions and densities with the one goal of becoming one with the Creator. What this means for each entity in any illusion is that the instreamings of the love/light of the one Creator are available for use by each entity; this love/light or prana being channeled through the energy centers or chakras, if you will, in such a manner that the light is used efficiently, each density providing the seeker of union with a greater intensity of light.

Upon the completion of the cycle of incarnations in any density an entity is given the opportunity to, shall we say, grade itself by being bathed in the light of the one Creator until it is no longer able to withstand or utilize the increasing intensity of light. This light has degrees shall we say, of vibration. When the entity can no longer withstand or use the light, then it stops at that point and that point falls where it may. Wherever it falls it is then the entity’s choice, by its own ability to use the light, to continue its study in the appropriate illusion which matches the intensity of light which has been utilized.

Few there are upon your planet at this time who can withstand the intensity of the light of the fourth density. For this light is what might be called a quantum leap beyond that which you now experience within your third density. If any entity were to experience it for but a moment and be able to withstand it, for that moment that entity would feel indeed that it had returned to its Source and would most likely be quite appreciative of that experience. For such seekers as your brother to desire to progress more rapidly than is possible, shall we say, realizing that all things are possible, is a commendable trait, but one which is not likely to be realized, for though your density provides an intense degree of catalyst and opportunity for traveling the spiritual path, to the best of our knowledge, it does not provide enough catalyst to build the polarity necessary to, shall we say, skip any density.

To the best of our knowledge, when this octave of densities is completed the individualized entities will find themselves at the level of the eighth density— one with the Source of this particular creation. But our teachers have not themselves found such union nor have their teachers told them of an end to such progressions.

We shall continue. For an entity to return to the Source does not mean the end to evolution. For an entity to desire to progress spiritually as rapidly as possible is quite commendable, but we would suggest that it is most necessary to learn to walk, shall we say, before one runs or flies or soars beyond the start. Yours is a density in which the child learns to crawl. Rejoice in the opportunities which are thusly presented to you.

Source: L/L Research Intensive Meditation, February 11, 1982, Pages 2-3
Link: http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0211.aspx

[flofrog]

Thank you Infinite,  yes in fact Ra, if  I remember well, recommended at least twice that desiring to skip fast was not to be wished as might endanger the balance of energy centers.   I, like loostudent,  have thought a few years back when I started to get into the LOO that the Buddha might  have been a Wanderer.  

Fact is I had been for twenty years somewhat a good Buddhist, and was really anxious to delve into something close but different and then met the Law of One and was like,  ahh, getting home somehow  

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks Infinite. It makes me wonder when they say few will be able to withstand 4D light. That's probably talking about 3D natives, because wanderers and dual-activated will go to their home density. Still, it doesn't hurt to work on balancing love and light while here.