Does Ra ever say that complete satisfaction and happiness is not of this density?

[Adonai One]

Title.

[anagogy]

They say, "We may suggest that in order to progress, a state of some dissatisfaction will be present, thus giving the entity the stimulus for further seeking."

And, "Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex."

I imagine you can be happy anywhere, though. For a time.

But just as being stuck in the 3rd grade forever would eventually become boring. Being stuck in 3rd density forever would eventually become miserable no matter how well adjusted you were to it. Change is the only constant. And trying to cease that momentum is like trying to stay in 3rd grade forever.

I most certainly wouldn't want stagnation.

[Adonai One]

Why would one be miserable if they are "divinely happy"? Should such a person intentionally cease their happiness and act against it?

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Does Ra truly suggest that dissatisfaction should be sought intentionally? Especially if one is satisfied?

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Additionally, how does what you describe apply in the context of this quote, appearing to describe an entity appearing to be so satisfied it desires not to respond to catalyst?

42.2 ...The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.

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Also, I acknowledge the fact it says "this density is no longer needed"; nonetheless, this still can occur in this density and exist in this density.

[Unbound]

Are you saying compassion and love equals satisfaction? Since satisfaction is not said by Ra anywhere in that quote.

[Bring4th_Austin]

In the poker analogy, Ra does indicate that if this "truer balance" which would illicit complete satisfaction and happiness 100% of the time is possible in this density (if you are equating satisfaction and happiness with the absence of catalytic reaction, which I'm assuming you are since you quoted that passage), it is a rare exception to the rule.

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Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin — and we stress begin — to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.

They even say "and we stress begin," showing that they felt this point needed emphasis.

[anagogy]

Why would one be miserable if they are "divinely happy"? Should such a person intentionally cease their happiness and act against it?

If you read the quote, Ra says that the "divinely happy" are beings that are *not* complex. In other words, mind/body/spirits, as opposed to mind/body/spirit complexes. We are "complex", thus, we are not the divinely happy they were referring to. Ra was talking about how beings were prior to the veil.

Does Ra truly suggest that dissatisfaction should be sought intentionally? Especially if one is satisfied?

Ra doesn't say that, and it's not necessary anyway, because it is part and parcel of the inchoate nature of our reality.

Additionally, how does what you describe apply in the context of this quote, appearing to describe an entity appearing to be so satisfied it desires not to respond to catalyst?

As I said, Ra was saying that mind/body/spirits are divinely happy. We are not mind/body/spirits while incarnate here, we are mind/body/spirit complexes, which have the veil in place.

Also, I acknowledge the fact it says "this density is no longer needed"; nonetheless, this still can occur in this density and exist in this density.

Whether happiness can occur in this density or not is moot. Consider the fact that the Logos put the veil in place to deliberately shorten the length of time beings would stay in 3rd density. In otherwords, to make them less happy with the current state of affairs, so they would have impetus to actually seek, as opposed to just blissing out in their awareness of their connection to the creator. If our own Logos, who is WAY more evolved and expanded than we are in our present form of consciousness went to great lengths to design this carefully compressed learning system that way, don't you think, just maybe, perhaps, it does it for a good reason?

You seem to be under the impression you will just hang out in 3rd density for the rest of eternity, in some blissful state. It's not gonna happen. Sorry.

"No portion of the creator audits the course."

[Aureus]

Why would one be miserable if they are "divinely happy"? Should such a person intentionally cease their happiness and act against it?

Unless the person is at complete balance and is actively maintaining this state through daily meditation, the happiness will begin to fluctuate sooner or later(sooner rather than later).

[Jeremy]

A miserable state is only miserable given ones perception on their particular life's circumstances. If such is perceived, therein lies their catalyst to work with. Finding the cause of such a perception then attempting to see it's polar opposite so that one can then shift their perception is the entire reason for catalyst. It's kinda like the old adage that some of the happiest people are also poor because they have found where true happiness and joy lies.

I can't remember if it was Ra or Q'uo but one said that we should take time to enjoy lerisure time outside of active seeking. It's perfectly acceptable to check out every now and then. I consider it a recharging of the spiritual batteries.

[Phoenix]

I don't really believe satisfaction is possible. I don't think the spirit is happy in a state of 'rest', because there is a kind of ambition, a kind of 'how do I improve things', which is a side effect of 'growth.'

But, on what we can experience in third density here is a quote:

Questioner: Thank you very much. We’ll start general questioning now. You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates this experience? Can you tell me this?

Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.

[Parsons]

Does Ra ever say that having more cowbell is not of this density? They never explicitly say that, so my logic is flawless!

[Unbound]

Any truly enlightened being would know that you always need more cowbell.

[Adonai One]

When do we have enough cowbell?

[Unbound]

Cowbell is added unto infinity, "enough" is "always more".

[Adonai One]

Can we still want cowbell and still be happy not getting said cowbell?

[Unbound]

I would say true happiness is realizing that there will always be more cowbell to be had.

[Adonai One]

I agree.

[Unbound]

Actually, now that I look, Ra doesn't say much about satisfaction at all. Although they do comment on things being satisfactory or not, which sometimes they are, sometimes not.

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[Adonai One]

I think "satisfactory" begins to hit the limits of the intended meaning of satisfaction and happiness in this context.

[भाव]

The contact with intelligent infinity is most likely to produce an unspeakable joy in the entity experiencing such contact.

These entities, therefore, remained in third density although they could, at any moment/present nexus, leave this density through use of intelligent infinity.

[AnthroHeart]

I think I may have touched on intelligent infinity once. It produced unspeakable bliss in my heart. But I couldn't leave.

[GentleReckoning]

Mmmm, cowbell...

[AnthroHeart]

I don't think complete satisfaction can happen in this density, unless you access the gateway to intelligent infinity. Very hard to do. You must accept everything.

[Infinite Unity]

Why would one be miserable if they are "divinely happy"? Should such a person intentionally cease their happiness and act against it?

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Does Ra truly suggest that dissatisfaction should be sought intentionally? Especially if one is satisfied?

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Additionally, how does what you describe apply in the context of this quote, appearing to describe an entity appearing to be so satisfied it desires not to respond to catalyst?

42.2 ...The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.

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Also, I acknowledge the fact it says "this density is no longer needed"; nonetheless, this still can occur in this density and exist in this density.

No In my opinion dissatisfaction is a necessary component for most entities to want to progress. So in my opinion Ra is saying expect dissatisfaction, and see it for what it's worth. A nice push forward.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I'm also reminded of Ra's story in session 77 about the entities who were created without free will, pre-programmed for positivity, and thus spent an "extraordinarily long" amount of time in 3rd and 4th density while doing very little. His comments definitely imply that while such existence is not impossible, or a true barrier to re-unification with the Creator, it's definitely considered a sub-optimal way of designing a species.