Are you so sure about leaving 3D?

[Light seeker]

Dear all,

In some recent and older posts, very inspiring and thought-provoking, the recurrent theme of being living perhaps our last 3D incarnation comes out.

As Ra has said repeatedly and as we know, a majority of the population will have to repeat third density. That includes many of our brothers, sisters, parents, family members and friends.

I don't know whether I will graduate or not to 4D, but I wonder what I would do in case I could graduate. Would I choose to live the wonderful conditions of a higher density (I really know they are glorious, I've seen them), or would I stay near the loved ones, and near so many others I didn't meet but that I could have loved?

Moreover: If we really are Wanderers, if we are here to help our fellow beings, should we not stay at the door of 4D until all of them have passed through?

Personally, I have many adaptation problems living in this 3D frequency (physically and mentally), and I really yearn for the light and glory of further densities, but I really have conflicting emotions on this subject.

I really would like to know your views, as this issue is a bit poignant for me.

Thanks in advance, my dear brothers.

L/L

[Lorna]

i love 3D, i really do, and i can truly understand how rich an experience it must seem on the other side of the veil

i don't really have a feeling of being desperate to get back to a higher density, because i suspect that after five minutes i'll yearn to plunge back into the complexities of 3d life, but who knows?

i don't think my attachment to 3d comes from wanting to stay near loved ones, i do feel that we are all on our own exciting journeys and many of the souls we have strong connections to we will share paths with for much of our journey anyway. those souls who do not graduate to 4d this time around will have very many wonderful journeys ahead of them in their continued experiences in 3d and they'll move on from that exactly when they are ready to

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ooo look i got an 11:11 in my time zone on that post

[seejay21]

I don't know. You can't really answer the question until the story is over. I think that the true nature of 3D is vieled(in a way) as well. The true nature is available to us, in fact in our faces, but it is difficult to focus your minds eye on it. The 3D story is a beautiful and marvelous story filled with love and sorrow, the things our souls crave. We choose to be here, so I don't see any reason for us not to choose to stay.we like being vieled. Waiting for the punch line is worth it, over and over.

[Monica]

Light Seeker, I could have written the exact words you did...your thoughts and concerns mirror mine completely!

I too have concerns about loved ones...and have developed a new compassion for the turmoil experienced by people who believe that their loved ones won't 'go to heaven' if they don't believe a certain way, attend a certain church, accept Jesus, etc. I used to chuckle at such simple-minded thinking, until I realized that the only difference between them and me is that we have a different set of criteria! And they call it 'hell' whereas I call it 'repeating 3D.'

The very fact that you would even consider staying behind in order to help your loved ones indicates, imo, that you've more than met the threshold for harvestability!

This very thought is rather disconcerting to me, as I feel rather conflicted...part of me agonizes at the thought of leaving any loved ones, while another part of me just feels weary of being here, and anxious to move on.

[Purple Dragon]

I think it is natural for us to care about what happens to our loved ones, but I think it is also important to remember that they are us and we will be reunited when it is time for it to happen. As long as we have made our choice and we try our best to help anyone we can throughout this existence, we can worry about the rest later when we have the entire piece to the puzzle. I don't think we are meant to have all the answers (I think Ra even said this somewhere?), we just need to do the best we can right now. Live the experience, enjoy the experience and Love the experience. Personally I think that is what 3D is all about.

[blade8r]

there is great truth that everybody has presented so far. i think we forget sometimes how important it is to learn how to evolve spiritually for their own selves. i think i take the stance of how unique each and everyone of us are. i completely get the idea yearning for someone learn the path of the one durring this incarnation so that we all move along together. the truth it's not likely to happen. however, i'm sure its each and everyone intention to move at their own speed and at their own pace.

i think we forget sometimes as young or how old as we are that 3rd density is like being parents. it is as if we see our own child go out into the hostile world on their own for the first time. how we wish they learned the best of what we were and learn to decided the best they can. but like all parents sometimes we just have to let go. to love someone enough to let them go. the truth is a child will never learn how to walk without falling in the process. but i think it's destiny for us to evolve this way. Do you ever remember your first baby steps? No? of course you don't remember. why is that you ask? because we are destine to walk. it is our path it is our nature.

i think that is how 3rd density is suppose to be. I think we are ment to move forward in our own pace eventually. eventually we do have to come and understand that.

the truth is. can you love someone enough to let them learn for themselves?

- "the love you withhold is the pain you carry."

[Light seeker]

Dear Lorna, seejay 21 and Monica,

Thanks for your insights. In you I see all the qualities that I’d like for myself: confidence and courage, humility and discernment.


Lorna,

thanks for making me remember what the right attitude is. What is the merit of fulfilling your assignment if you don’t apply yourself with all your enthusiasm?


Seeyay 21,

you’re right, we don’t know exactly what our “contract” terms were right before we came into encarnation, and we won’t remember again until all this game is over. And as Ra said, “understanding is not of this density”. All we can and must do is try to serve the Creator wholeheartedly to the best of our effors, without expectation of any result. After all, that was our desire and goal when we came here.


Monica,

Thanks for sharing your very similar thoughts.

I have developed a new compassion for the turmoil experienced by people who believe that their loved ones won't 'go to heaven' if they don't believe a certain way, attend a certain church, accept Jesus, etc. I used to chuckle at such simple-minded thinking, until I realized that the only difference between them and me is that we have a different set of criteria! And they call it 'hell' whereas I call it 'repeating 3D.'

How right you are! I also used to chuckle a bit at those who believe that the rest of the people who don’t follow their religious beliefs “won’t go to heaven”, and now here I am, adopting that same stance. How true it is that others are like mirrors for us and that we receive our own reflection…

This very thought is rather disconcerting to me, as I feel rather onflicted...part of me agonizes at the thought of leaving any loved ones, while another part of me just feels weary of being here, and anxious to move on.

Exactly, dear Monica, that’s how I feel, too. Time to decide might be round the corner. And I know what my decision should be…

L/L

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Purple dragon and blade 8r, thanks for sharing your views.

As long as we have made our choice and we try our best to help anyone we can throughout this existence, we can worry about the rest later when we have the entire piece to the puzzle. Live the experience, enjoy the experience and Love the experience.

Thanks for your good advice and for getting my mind set for the real task at hand. Worries just weaken our energies and divert us from the right path. Sadly, I’m just a worried-proned human being.

3rd density is like being parents. it is as if we see our own child go out into the hostile world on their own for the first time. how we wish they learned the best of what we were and learn to decided the best they can. but like all parents sometimes we just have to let go. to love someone enough to let them go. the truth is a child will never learn how to walk without falling in the process. but i think it's destiny for us to evolve this way.

True, and I tend to think about myself and anybody else (no matter their age) as a little child in a risky and difficult world. It goes withouth saying that I suffer a lot for this. No doubt I'll have to learn how to balance compassion with wisdom some day in a more advanced density.

[Bring4th_Steve]

It's interesting to see the many views of how things are to move forward in terms of going beyond the veil, advancing past or repeating the same density, etc. I've grown incredibly comfortable with the idea that there is going to be an ascension/graduation process, and during that time of choosing to accept the higher 4D vibrations, we will absorb and transform with the higher energies washing across the universe. This means we would stay with our physical bodies as they increase in vibration and adapt to the higher frequencies. So in this respect, no one would have to leave any people, plants or pets behind.

On the other side of the coin, you have those who aren't sure that they want to ascend, or who choose not to move into 4D at this point of space/time. And in this case I firmly believe they will live out their 3D existences in whatever way they planned for themselves, whether it is through growing old and dying, or choosing a specific way to leave Gaia and to repeat 3rd density somewhere else.

The only part of the equation that I have not seen too much about is how 3rd density folks (the ones who decide to stay behind) will perceive their family and friends who have decided to accept the 4th density energies. Will reality instantly be "rewritten" for the 3D folks so that everything works out logically? Will we choose to lower our 4th density vibrations into 3rd until the last of our family and friends (soul contracts) are fulfilled? It's a good thought to ponder! But I definitely feel that in order to being living in a true 4th density, we will not have to experience a physical death (unless we choose to!).

Steve

[blade8r]

It's interesting to see the many views of how things are to move forward in terms of going beyond the veil, advancing past or repeating the same density, etc. I've grown incredibly comfortable with the idea that there is going to be an ascension/graduation process, and during that time of choosing to accept the higher 4D vibrations, we will absorb and transform with the higher energies washing across the universe. This means we would stay with our physical bodies as they increase in vibration and adapt to the higher frequencies. So in this respect, no one would have to leave any people, plants or pets behind.

On the other side of the coin, you have those who aren't sure that they want to ascend, or who choose not to move into 4D at this point of space/time. And in this case I firmly believe they will live out their 3D existences in whatever way they planned for themselves, whether it is through growing old and dying, or choosing a specific way to leave Gaia and to repeat 3rd density somewhere else.

The only part of the equation that I have not seen too much about is how 3rd density folks (the ones who decide to stay behind) will perceive their family and friends who have decided to accept the 4th density energies. Will reality instantly be "rewritten" for the 3D folks so that everything works out logically? Will we choose to lower our 4th density vibrations into 3rd until the last of our family and friends (soul contracts) are fulfilled? It's a good thought to ponder! But I definitely feel that in order to being living in a true 4th density, we will not have to experience a physical death (unless we choose to!).

Steve

time can only tell. at this moment we really can't speculate what 100% is going to happen. history isn't written yet.

i personally don't think there is going to be doom and gloom at all. but that's just the information i got from an STS contact. i wish i can relegate more of the information. but i don't want to put information out there that could cause some confusion. it's not the path i want to follow.

but i guess that can be for another time.

[Bring4th_Steve]

Blade8r, you're right--there is no reason to speculate, since there are so many theories, each born of STO and STS orientation. Even though we all realize this to an extent, I think we like to kind of "fantasize" about how it will all pan out. Sometimes it's nice to hear other members that we have grown to know share their beliefs, despite what the actual belief is.

Certainly, there's also a ton of channeled material out there that will become reality for some, while others may manifest their own ideas of how ascension will occur. That's the beauty of it all! But it's fun to guess based on what we resonate with... :-)

It's interesting to see the many views of how things are to move forward in terms of going beyond the veil, advancing past or repeating the same density, etc. I've grown incredibly comfortable with the idea that there is going to be an ascension/graduation process, and during that time of choosing to accept the higher 4D vibrations, we will absorb and transform with the higher energies washing across the universe. This means we would stay with our physical bodies as they increase in vibration and adapt to the higher frequencies. So in this respect, no one would have to leave any people, plants or pets behind.

On the other side of the coin, you have those who aren't sure that they want to ascend, or who choose not to move into 4D at this point of space/time. And in this case I firmly believe they will live out their 3D existences in whatever way they planned for themselves, whether it is through growing old and dying, or choosing a specific way to leave Gaia and to repeat 3rd density somewhere else.

The only part of the equation that I have not seen too much about is how 3rd density folks (the ones who decide to stay behind) will perceive their family and friends who have decided to accept the 4th density energies. Will reality instantly be "rewritten" for the 3D folks so that everything works out logically? Will we choose to lower our 4th density vibrations into 3rd until the last of our family and friends (soul contracts) are fulfilled? It's a good thought to ponder! But I definitely feel that in order to being living in a true 4th density, we will not have to experience a physical death (unless we choose to!).

Steve

time can only tell. at this moment we really can't speculate what 100% is going to happen. history isn't written yet.

i personally don't think there is going to be doom and gloom at all. but that's just the information i got from an STS contact. i wish i can relegate more of the information. but i don't want to put information out there that could cause some confusion. it's not the path i want to follow.

but i guess that can be for another time.

[Brittany]

I think only once you get to the point where you can walk those stairs of light and look back on your 3rd density experience as a whole will you be able to truly make that decision. I believe that when we die a lot of the biases…the “ego” so to speak, falls away and we can see much more objectively. With the veil gone it is easier to make the decisions that you think will truly benefit your soul. It isn’t something I would worry about, but look forward to. If you feel you are making the right decision, your soul should be able to be at peace regardless.

[BrownEye]

I have a lot of good christian friends where I live. I have a problem with their belief system as far as heaven and rapture and all that. I kind of see this "sick of life, can't wait for the rapture because i'm going" and then the whole idea of heaven as an end point. The christian idea of heaven sounds a lot like 4th density and the rapture also sounds like the harvest. But the whole idea of giving up on life or being sick of it all and just wasting time until their self fulfilling prophesy has happened doesn't sit well with me.
Reading some of the comments here sound similar to my christian friends like "I can't wait to get out of this life" no offense, it just comes across to me that way.
I get a little dismayed as I get a better understanding of this age coming to a close. I know i'm not a wanderer or anything of the sort because I feel an intense connection to this planet. Kind of like this is my idea of heaven. Even though i've had a hard life and spent my younger years alienated from family, incarcerated much of the time, actually living out of dumpsterss for a period of life, I fully and totally enjoy the life experience! I actually "need" a certain amount of strife in order to experience the joys of life. In view of this I have always had a problem with the idea of heaven and everything being perfect.
Now I see that most likely I am incapable of understanding how a different kind of existense might not need strife in order to feel joy.
I had confusion at the thought that I would continue to incarnate in 3D after the big changes. I looked at the rest of my family moving on to 4th and felt a little odd at the idea of myself having to move on to a different planet as 3D. As I thought about my feelings for the planet it occurred to me that quite possibly I was wrong and in order to maintain my connection I may actually move into 4th with the rest of my family.

Say, didn't Ra state that a 3D body would short circuit in a completely 4d environment?

[Peregrinus]

"Remember that happiness is a way of travel, not a destination". ~Roy Goodman

[Richard]

I’ve thought about this subject more than once. I’ve doubted my beliefs and tried…more than few times..to retreat backwards into science and pure rationality. But spirit won’t let go of me. And I find myself..again…trudging that same awkward path. Full of blind alleys and roads that double back on themselves. And yet…this time..I seem to make progress. And, I feel good about it this time. Extraordinary.

But do I yearn for a life (or lives) beyond 3D? No…I really don’t. I can’t truly comprehend that life. Can any of us? Its like describing the world outside the box if you’ve always lived in the box. Are there truly words for it? Are the words sufficient? For all the misery of this world, this is still a beautiful place. Lets embrace it for all its worth in the time we are given here.

In the meantime, I struggle to live in the now…to find the love in the moment. And to replace cynicism with faith…despair with love..and to discern the lessons of catalyst. And have faith that the Creator know what he/she/it is doing…regardless of humanity’s infinite penchant for developing faulty spiritual metaphor .

Richard

[Sacred Fool]

I think only once you get to the point where you can walk those stairs of light and look back on your 3rd density experience as a whole will you be able to truly make that decision. I believe that when we die a lot of the biases…the “ego” so to speak, falls away and we can see much more objectively. With the veil gone it is easier to make the decisions that you think will truly benefit your soul. It isn’t something I would worry about, but look forward to. If you feel you are making the right decision, your soul should be able to be at peace regardless.

I share this point of view over all. In the short run I have personal feelings about the subject which are fairly well mirrored in the various conflicted ideas expressed in this thread. But for practical purposes, this isn't a subject I fixate on (much) just as in grammar school I didn't fixate on what I wanted to be when I grew up. The playing field looks so different when you're playing in a higher league. In fact, now that I'm all grown up, I still don't know what I am.

In any event, the "me" which makes that decision about my next incarnation will have a far more encompassing perspective than the "me" that's typing this message. I just know that my own trajectory is complex and mysterious. I can't even begin to guess whether we'd want to continue along a path going up, down or sideways. There's so much to explore!