Sub-Dividing the Chakras

[Plenum]

this is a key piece of knowledge that has led to a great refinement in my own balancing process. I initially discussed this with Siren maybe 12 months back, and she had arrived at the same point-of-view that I had.

the principle is this:

* the seven energy centres correspond to 7 broad areas or sub-divisions of mind. For eg, the red energy centre (first chakra) corresponds to those attitudes or understandings of the mind that have to do with survival.

Ra sums up the 7 energy centres (7 portions of mind) neatly here:

"49.6 Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience."

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* the additive piece of information comes about here. Here Ra specifically mentions that each energy centre has 7 sub-divisions, or sub-colors.

"The mind complex has a relationship to the spirit and body complexes which is not fixed. Thus blockages may occur betwixt spirit and mind, or body and mind, upon many different levels. We reiterate that each energy center has seven sub-colors, let us say, for convenience. Thus spiritual/mental blockages combined with mental/bodily blockages may affect each of the energy centers in several differing ways. Thus you may see the subtle nature of the balancing and evolutionary process."

these '7 sub-colors' are a more fine grained look at each of the energy centres. To give an example, say with chakra 2 (orange ray), there will be seven portions of understanding that have to do with 'personal power or personal identity'.

2.1 (red sub-color of orange ray)
2.1 (orange sub-color of orange ray)
2.1 (yellow sub-color of orange ray)
and so on ...
2.7 (violet sub-color of orange ray)

and each of these separate 'rungs' can either be blocked or clear ...

it is also my understanding that crystallization occurs when all the rungs (all 7 subcolors) have been cleared on one chakra, and thus maximal speed can be attained on chakra (zero resistance, no blockages).

so you can see how deep the nature of clearing and balancing is ... how much one must look inward to see resistances and reactivities ... and how expansive and encompassing the nature of mind is.

peace,

plenum

[Karl]

Very cool.

[GentleReckoning]

Can the sub colors then also be subdivided into 7?

[Plenum]

thanks Karl.

Can the sub colors then also be subdivided into 7?

yes. You can take it to finer gradations if you wish. But past a certain point, the utility becomes lost. (quite obviously : d)

but yes, the first division of 7 into each energy centre offers a more interesting and detailed take on what 'survival thoughts are', what 'personal power' thoughts are etc etc.

its very open to experimentation.

[zenmaster]

The movement of kundalini is mind/spirit complex related. The overall balance of vibration is completely spirit-complex related. Only the later is related to harvestability. The 3D subdensities are planetary-mind related.

[xise]

I have a theory that associations between the sub-colors relatively vary in strength/size directly in proportion to the main color.

Thus, red/sub-red is easier to feel because it is stronger in nature, all things being equal, than red/sub-violet.

This would also account for why many systems list 21 secondary chakras and many tertiary ones. I theorize that these secondary and tertiary ones comprise of the 49 sub-colors, but 21 are considered secondary because they are the relatively speaking sub-colors that are larger and most closely related to the primary color.

For example, I have noticed three strong green sub-centers: the actual heart, opposite to the actual heart where basically only the lung is, and the thymus. Under this theory, I should most easily feel, barring any large distortions, green/sub-green, green/sub-yellow, and green/sub-blue.

My experiences with the actual heart seem to correspond with green/sub-green in terms of belief. My experiences with the thymus seem to correspond to green/sub-blue (love and acceptance of communication and guidance or something along those lines). I have not had many experiences with the other area, but my yellow is weaker and under this theory it would be the green/sub-yellow, so perhaps that is consistent with this theory.

[Plenum]

thanks xise. Those are some interesting thoughts!

[xise]

thanks xise. Those are some interesting thoughts!

Also of note that one of my now highly spiritual friends, one who went from a totally sleeping atheist to full awakened in a manner of months (after I opened the door for him to walk through) described having some intense meditation experiences in the area opposite the heart. Particularly, a "ton of sadness." These experiences to him were more profound than at the heart, or any other area in that heart region, as he described to me.

This may be interesting, because he self-identities his favorite color as yellow. My characterization of his balances or imbalances at around that time would be that his yellow center was overpowering, and was preventing energy going into his heart. Other people also believed that his main downside was that he had a huge ego. He was also much liked and was a natural leader. All of these things seem to be consistent with a very powerful yellow.

While not proof or even strong evidence, his case may be further evidence that the area opposite to the heart may be related to green/sub-yellow. I personally need more experience with my own sub-center in the area before I grow more confident in analyzing what concepts it entails.

[Ankh]

What I was wondering about for some time is what this "chakra system" really is... Carla refers in her books to it as "energy body". So is it a body? Or is it located in the body?

Ra speaks of it as "energy centers". But where are these energy centers located? In the mind? In the body? Or in the spirit? Cause they can't be located outside the *mind/body/spirit complex* (which would then not be called mind/body/spirit complex, but the mind/body/energy centers/spirit complex or something :p).

My current understanding is that these energy centers are located in *all three complexes*: the mind, the body, and the spirit. What I am trying to say, is that we don't only have "sub-colors" to our main energy centers, but also three so called "chakra systems": one in the mind, one in the body, and one in the spirit. These focuses, or energy centers, channel the light energy, and it is this channeling, or blockages of it, in each complex (mind, body and spirit) which Ra speaks of in the second quote in the first post in this thread.

To back up the above theory, I offer this quote:

Questioner: Thank you. Would you define mind, body, and spirit separately?

Ra: I am Ra. These terms are all simplistic descriptive terms which equal a complex of energy focuses; the body, as you call it, being the material of the density which you experience at a given space/time or time/space; this complex of materials being available for distortions of what you would call physical manifestation.

The mind is a complex which reflects the in-pourings of the spirit and the up-pourings of the body complex. It contains what you know as feelings, emotions, and intellectual thoughts in its more conscious complexities. Moving further down the tree of mind we see the intuition which is of the nature of the mind more in contact or in tune with the total beingness complex. Moving down to the roots of mind we find the progression of consciousness which gradually turns from the personal to the racial memory, to the cosmic influxes, and thus becomes a direct contactor of that shuttle which we call the spirit complex.

This spirit complex is the channel whereby the in-pourings from all of the various universal, planetary, and personal inpourings may be funneled into the roots of consciousness and whereby consciousness may be funneled to the gateway of intelligent infinity through the balanced intelligent energy of body and mind.

You will see by this series of definitive statements that mind, body, and spirit are inextricably intertwined and cannot continue, one without the other. Thus we refer to the mind/body/spirit complex rather than attempting to deal with them separately, for the work, shall we say, that you do during your experiences is done through the interaction of these three components, not through any one.

Any thoughts??

[Adonai One]

They are created by the mind as the body which makes the spirit.

The galactic laws that define the energy centers are of the very bottom depths of the mind.

It's all a creation of the mind.

As Ra said, it's all intertwined. The spirit itself is a concept of the totality.

The primal mind gives function to red-ray which may give some context here.

[Plenum]

What I was wondering about for some time is what this "chakra system" really is... Carla refers in her books to it as "energy body". So is it a body? Or is it located in the body?

Hi Ankh,

in the bits of Q'uo that I've skimmed, they seem to suggest that the chakra system is located in time/space.

and this next part is my conjecture, but the energy system seems to be the intersection of the mind, body, and spirit components of self ... the mind being the primary driver of evolution and the state of self. ie, the mind is that which thinks and can change; the body being a feedback tool, and the spirit offering the light and the comprehensive framework in which the mind 'exercises' its process.

and so when you get a 'read' on someone's energy or field, it is not exactly the same as reading their mind, but you are reading the output of the mind and current state of consciousness ... the energy field being exquisitely responsive (and indicative and representive) of the state of mind. (ie think happy thoughts, and your field bounces and opens up; dwell on self-criticism and past mistakes, and one becomes closed and less sharing).

of course, that is not a very technical answer to your technical question, but more how I conceive of it working on an everyday level.

it's actually an area I've gotten much more interested in in the last couple of months ... most of my explorations of the deep mind (read: archetypal) seem to be done to my satisfaction at the moment, and I'm concentrating more on expanding those understandings of mind into the energetic space, so chakras are most definitely on my target list!

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also, when talking about the 'body' and the 'body complex', Ra also mentions that the yellow ray 'physical body' we know and love is not the body complex proper ... there is actually a more finely articulated 'body complex' (the true body complex?) behind the yellow ray body (but not referring to the indigo body I don't think). I assume that 'true body complex' is located in time/space (time/space intersecting effortlessly with space/time of course, so the two bodies don't get out of sync), and the chakra system might dwell there.

it is easy to 'conceive' of the body complex that way; it is 'localised' and is a 'thing'. It is harder to think of what the mind complex 'looks like' or how it 'exists'; and the spirit complex is only described as a 'shuttle'.

[Ankh]

Hi there, dear plenum. I got into these thoughts, when reading this thread, and now can't get it out of my head. :p

For instance, you say: "they [Q'uo] seem to suggest that the chakra system is located in time/space". Well, Ra said that "There are also analogs in time/space of these energy centers corresponding to the seven energy centers in each of the seven true-color densities.". So, it seems to me like there are energy centers in time/space as well in space/time, and also in all seven densities.

What I found interesting in regards to this subject in 30.2, is Ra's saying that mind, body and spirit complexes are "a complex of energy focuses". So, I was thinking that if the mind, the body and the spirit complexes are simplistic descriptive terms of complexes of energy focuses, then these energy focuses, i.e. the mind complex, the body complex, and then the spirit complex, must have energy centers... right?

This is not to be confused with rays. A "ray", is perhaps a radiation of the energy light, after it has been filtered through various energy centers, thus each energy center may radiate a particular light energy, or what we call a "ray"...

What I am talking about is this so called "chakra system", or the energy centers which make up a certain complex of energy focuses. And my question is whether each complex, the mind, the body and the spirit, has these energy centers which are referred to by these colors...?

When you were speaking of the "body complex", it is furthermore complicates this subject, as we have seven bodies. Does each of these seven bodies then has energy centers too, or what is called "chakra system"?

Either way, I am derailing this thread. Sorry.

[Plenum]

hahaha Ankh.

as I read your post, all I could keep thinking about was:

7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7 ..... into infinity ...

and yes, at some point it becomes too hard for our puny 3d brains to contemplate, and I just return to what Ra said about subjective acceptance:

"This is not a dimension of knowing, even subjectively, due to the lack of overview of cosmic and other in-pourings which affect each and every situation which produces catalyst. "
(and these in-pourings are definitely chakra related.)

"The subjective acceptance of that which is at the moment and the finding of love within that moment is the greater freedom."



and that subjective acceptance will continue to lead us towards greater balance and unblocking; and we are given exactly everything we need, moment by moment; things being steered, attracted, and engineered by wiser (+ more knowing) forces behind the scenes.

it is almost like sitting at a table in a restaurant, and we don't know what the chef is up to in the kitchen, how he bought his produce, or who skinned the potatoes, but when the meal comes to our table (the meal being the carefully prepared catalyst for us). we just have to regard it with gratitude and acceptance, no matter how strange the dish looks; and have trust and faith that the 'cook' has prepared it for our highest benefit.

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but just back to my original post for one moment, and the quote I posted:

""The mind complex has a relationship to the spirit and body complexes which is not fixed. Thus blockages may occur betwixt spirit and mind, or body and mind, upon many different levels."

studying the archetypes helps clear these blockages?

for eg, the 'body archetypes" (cards 8-14) are the mind's relationship or attitude towards the body ... and so clarifying (and understanding) the mental processes involved will help alleviate any mind-body blockages? as mentioned in the quote?

and likewise with the spirit archetypes. (cards 15-21).

I have to admit, this was one reason I was drawn so strongly to the archetypes; that it would shine clear understandings on the mind's relationship to other things.

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and feel free to continue 'sub-dividing' in this thread.

a chakra is not just a chakra ... it is a million chakras all over-lapping simultaneously!!!!

[Philosoraptor]

So, it seems to me like there are energy centers in time/space as well in space/time

Space/time is an energy system having physical bodies molded out of light (i.e. photons). This is what nobody seems to grasp and instead fantasize and confabulate about "energy" being somewhere "out there."

the mind complex, the body complex, and then the spirit complex, must have energy centers... right?

Rather, the mind/body/spirit complex seen as a whole is the "chakra system" or energy nexi complex, and is therefore always present whether in physical, mental/emotional, or spiritual distortions.

In the physical body the energy system becomes evident in that field of study known as neuroscience. The primary energy or thought centers manifest as the cerebrospinal (brain & spinal chord) or "central nervous system" and the secondary and tertiary energy nexi, stemming from the CNS, spread throughout the various nerve filaments (called the PNS, or "peripheral nervous system").

(The major nexi then further "localize" as certain glands/organs of the physical vehicle.)

When you were speaking of the "body complex", it is furthermore complicates this subject, as we have seven bodies. Does each of these seven bodies then has energy centers too, or what is called "chakra system"?

There is only one energy system of nexi or foci. This is the mind/body/spirit complex beingness thought totality, or "soul," if you like, seen as a whole.

The mind, body, and spirit must be understood as distinct energy systems serving distinct functions, rather than being objects or "things." The three constitute the whole. And the whole mind/body/spirit complex is the individualized focus (thought) of consciousness that is each entity.

Consciousness is first and foremost. Mind, body, and spirit are then energy complexes used by a thought or focus of consciousness to accrue experience.

[Unbound]

Organs in the body, of the body, are the body.

[Adonai One]

And my question is whether each complex, the mind, the body and the spirit, has these energy centers which are referred to by these colors...?

When you were speaking of the "body complex", it is furthermore complicates this subject, as we have seven bodies. Does each of these seven bodies then has energy centers too, or what is called "chakra system"?

The answer is yes. Each body has the chakra system. The red-ray bodies and violet-ray bodies are tied through the same centers.

[BrownEye]

Every great while I will go through the 'levels'. Sort of like the brow has three more 'brow chakras' above it and three below it. I give them numbers to relate to them.

[Spaced]

also, when talking about the 'body' and the 'body complex', Ra also mentions that the yellow ray 'physical body' we know and love is not the body complex proper ... there is actually a more finely articulated 'body complex' (the true body complex?) behind the yellow ray body (but not referring to the indigo body I don't think). I assume that 'true body complex' is located in time/space (time/space intersecting effortlessly with space/time of course, so the two bodies don't get out of sync), and the chakra system might dwell there.

My thoughts on this (pure conjecture): I see this "true body complex" existing as a sort of blueprint from which our DNA draws this body, blockages in the chakra system cause distortions in the end result. The information for this blueprint is contained in the light of the central sun, the Logos for this galaxy, which contains information for all that exists within this creation. This blueprint is also what is consulted when the body is healed.

[Adonai One]

Spaced, that's not conjecture but the truth.

[Ankh]

hahaha Ankh.

as I read your post, all I could keep thinking about was:

7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7x7 ..... into infinity ...

lol!

it is almost like sitting at a table in a restaurant, and we don't know what the chef is up to in the kitchen, how he bought his produce, or who skinned the potatoes, but when the meal comes to our table (the meal being the carefully prepared catalyst for us). we just have to regard it with gratitude and acceptance, no matter how strange the dish looks; and have trust and faith that the 'cook' has prepared it for our highest benefit.

Love this analogy.

but just back to my original post for one moment, and the quote I posted:

""The mind complex has a relationship to the spirit and body complexes which is not fixed. Thus blockages may occur betwixt spirit and mind, or body and mind, upon many different levels."

studying the archetypes helps clear these blockages?

for eg, the 'body archetypes" (cards 8-14) are the mind's relationship or attitude towards the body ... and so clarifying (and understanding) the mental processes involved will help alleviate any mind-body blockages? as mentioned in the quote?

and likewise with the spirit archetypes. (cards 15-21).

I don't know... Understanding the energy centers which make up the mind/body/spirit complex helps me to unblock (and this thread has been most helpful!), but Archetypes...? Maybe I am just not there yet.

But I have to think a bit about what you said here.

I have to admit, this was one reason I was drawn so strongly to the archetypes; that it would shine clear understandings on the mind's relationship to other things.

Really? That's cool.

I was drawn to the Archetypes, because I feel pull of the magic in them.

and feel free to continue 'sub-dividing' in this thread.

Awesome!

[xise]

An interesting area to explore is the "new 13 chakra" system. It may have something to do with the the transition period. But anther question is how do the 13 correspond to the systems of 7.

[Adonai One]

The 12 and 13 are fuels for the red and violet chakras, imo.

The other chakras within that system are perhaps chakra sub-divisions.

[Adonai One]

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[BrownEye]

I worked on a guy and his root was returning to the negative state within seconds of balancing it. I told him it acts as if he is taking pharmaceuticals. He responds by saying that he does not take pharma, that the only thing he takes is beta blockers. Well, that is a drug that modifies the blood, and looking at this description it appears that the blood is the red body.

The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.

[Spaced]

I worked on a guy and his root was returning to the negative state within seconds of balancing it. I told him it acts as if he is taking pharmaceuticals. He responds by saying that he does not take pharma, that the only thing he takes is beta blockers. Well, that is a drug that modifies the blood, and looking at this description it appears that the blood is the red body.

YES! My guidance revealed this to me about a month ago along with some other info regarding the mysteries of blood but whenever I tried to post a thread about it something would go wrong (server errors, power outages while I was in the middle of typing it, etc.). I got the idea that it wasn't time to post it yet and then kinda forgot about it. Glad you figured this one out too.