Brain Dead?

[Monica]

Apparently, life and death are no longer easily defined. What ethics should apply here?

Organ Donors: The Undead and the Industry that Kills Them

a “pretty dead” patient is dead enough to begin the organ extraction process.

An important issue to note is the BHCs are denied anesthesia during transplant surgery. Experts contend that anesthesia damages the organs.

Gail A. Van Norman, professor of bioethics and anesthesiology at the University of Washington cites that some BHCs are more than not dead when the extraction process begins. She explains examples where patients have:

• Begun to breathe during a liver extraction
• Gasped after an apnea test, but was declared dead anyway
• 30 year old head trauma patient began breathing during preparations for organ removal
• Donor reaction to scalpel incisions
• Reactive eye pupils and gag reflex during surgery for liver donation
• Patents coughing, grimacing and movement of arms and legs during and after the extraction procedure
• Regaining consciousness :exclamation:
• Showing signs of being alert and coherent during the transplant surgery

[AnthroHeart]

There was also a movie called Repo The Genetic Opera that I couldn't sit through more than the introduction. A movie about people who repo organs. Though it's fictional, it was too much for me. I can't see why people like excess gore, and even make a parody about it.

[Cyan]

Nothing new here, people claiming to be healers misusing their power to kill people and make money. Sounds like normal practice to me. The fact that it is normal practice is the problem, not that it is seen. The same attitude that generates these kinds of problems is a prevelant issue in most societies anyway so I don't pay attention to it.

Late 3rd Density natural problems. Alongside early soul manipulation via technology without any real understanding of whats going on.

[BlatzAdict]

sounds like mal practice not normal practice

[Guardian]

You are 64 times more likely to be killed from a doctor than from a gun in the Usa.

http://www.naturalnews.com/038889_doctor...stics.html

[Aaron]

That's horrible!!

[Cyan]

sounds like mal practice not normal practice

Since when is the normal large scale medical practice that we are doing right now not a malpractice by definition when it seeks to prevent people from doing to their body what they want? (Medical establishment that seeks to prevent other using medicine that it doesn't understand is a classical case of both malpractice, and orionite style.)

The medical practice normal practice is malpractice, the times when it works and doesnt end up killing people are the exception, not the norm.

[Monica]

sounds like mal practice not normal practice

Since when is the normal large scale medical practice that we are doing right now not a malpractice by definition when it seeks to prevent people from doing to their body what they want? (Medical establishment that seeks to prevent other using medicine that it doesn't understand is a classical case of both malpractice, and orionite style.)

The medical practice normal practice is malpractice, the times when it works and doesnt end up killing people are the exception, not the norm.

Well said. Chemo that kills the body's only defense system, in an effort to 'cure' (preposterous)...the approach of slash, poison and burn supposedly to 'treat' cancer...working against the immune system instead of with it...little to no regard for the fuels put into the body or of the emotional state...perpetuating a model that deems poisons in foods and 'medicines' acceptable...poisonous cocktails injected into the blood of newborns...drilling holes in bone and inserting poisonous metals...killing living bone and leaving the necrotic, dead pieces in the body to fester for years in a systemic infection that was proven to cause disease over 80 years ago, and calling it 'accepted dental practices'...rejecting the proven correlation between cancer and acidity, proven 80 years ago and never refuted - in favor of viewing each cancer patient as a commodity worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to a bloated, obscenely lucrative drug industry...overall focus on dis-ease and death instead of on life...overall attitude being one of battle instead of integration...viewing the body as separate, mechanical parts instead of a systemic whole...creating human embryos for the purpose of harvesting parts...and now, harvesting parts from comatose, still quite alive people, with no regard for the possible pain or what the entity might be experiencing in a dream state or even conscious state during the procedure, much less regard for their life at all...in some Frankenstein world.

And that's just what's routinely being done to humans in the name of 'medical science'...not even counting the obscenities being done to animals and to the plant 'foods' that are being genetically modified into toxic monsters.

The acute trauma component of 'modern medicine' really shines and epitomizes the proper use of medical technology. They get a gold star for that! But their approach to degenerative dis-ease is way off the mark. Someday, the people of the future will look back on our medical establishment, in regards to degenerative disease, the same way we now look at leeches and blood-letting: ineffective, primitive and barbaric.

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That's horrible!!

But true. Accepted medical practices are the #4 leading cause of death in the US. But we don't hear much about that in the news, do we? That statistic is probably wrong; it would be much higher if people dying from chemo were taken into consideration.

[Cyan]

I've been a alternative healer with strong interest in official medical industry and health practices bordering on the insanely obsessive for 10-15 years. I know exactly how wrong our medical paradigm is. And I am saddened at the extremely idiotic state that it is kept in because the diagnostics and psychopharmacology divisions of our modern health care systems are the best in the planet and probably by far amongst the best imaginable.

Yet we use them like monkeys. Its a miracle when we cure a disease, not the intended purpose. The intended purpose is to ALLEVIATE or reduce the symptoms of the disease, not remove it.

I'd love it if we had one serious hospital on the planet, but that wont happen until people admit that death happens when you want it to happen, and not a moment sooner.

Get people to accept that paradigm and we can talk about the healthcare industry and what its doing.