Is there self-awareness in the octaves below

[native]

Yeah, that applies to the real world and your day to day interactions. This is an internet forum.

Here, there is the exchange of important ideas, but this is not life and death when it comes to balancing our energy centers. This is a place of solace and comfort, away from a world that is intense and harsh.

A forum where people come to express how their lives are changing, and in many cases are teetering on very fine emotional lines. They are unsure of who they are, how they fit, and what to do about it.

We don't need to be so critical here. One isn't going to mess their blue ray up because they let an over-generalization on the internet go untouched. Worry about working on your blue ray out in the trenches. Relax and enjoy friendly conversation here.

Yes, we are also here to discuss advanced ideas and remove distortion by being honest with each other, but it's very easy to be mindful of tone. That's all we're asking. This is the requirement of the community no matter what your viewpoint is. This is what the community wants which has been expressed time and again, and if you disagree, there are issues that need contemplation on your part. It isn't about you; it's about us. We enjoy your input. It's not what you say, but how you say it. Be yourself, but just relax and be mindful of your choice of words.

[unity100]

Yeah, that applies to the real world and your day to day interactions. This is an internet forum.

Here, there is the exchange of important ideas, but this is not life and death when it comes to balancing our energy centers. This is a place of solace and comfort, away from a world that is intense and harsh.

A forum where people come to express how their lives are changing, and in many cases are teetering on very fine emotional lines. They are unsure of who they are, how they fit, and what to do about it.

We don't need to be so critical here. One isn't going to mess their blue ray up because they let an over-generalization on the internet go untouched. Worry about working on your blue ray out in the trenches. Relax and enjoy friendly conversation here.

in case you noticed, in regard to nature of blue ray and its properties regarding honesty, no exceptions were given.

leave aside there are no differentiations in between 'real' or 'internet' life, the honesty properties of blue ray, in conjunction with acceptance properties of green ray would require such level of direct honesty even with one's own self.

in above, you just put out different exceptions, or similar ones in different words, and provided different rationalizations.

again, there are no exceptions provided into the properties of blue ray. just like there are no exceptions provided into the properties of green ray before it, or yellow ray before that. ray properties are defined, and will act their nature regardless of the intentions of the entity using them.

there is no relevance in between 'relaxing' or 'having fun' and blue ray either. one is not exclusive from the other.

Yes, we are also here to discuss advanced ideas and remove distortion by being honest with each other, but it's very easy to be mindful of tone. That's all we're asking. This is the requirement of the community no matter what your viewpoint is. This is what the community wants which has been expressed time and again, and if you disagree, there are issues that need contemplation on your part. It isn't about you; it's about us. We enjoy your input. It's not what you say, but how you say it. Be yourself, but just relax and be mindful of your choice of words.

you are just paraphrasing the justifications you have provided for dishonest communication in your above post, in different words again. not only that you put it in a rather coercive tone, intended or not, in the form of 'our community requirements are like that', and again, tied 'relaxation' to neglect of blue ray honesty for some reason.

any societal group, or community may have their behavior patterns, their rules and preferences. these are their natural right.

however, no matter what justifications or reasons the group provides for having these, if any of these that do not fit in with the properties of a given ray, they will not fit in with the properties of, that ray.

the material we are studying, explicitly states that in multiple points, starting from requirement of polarization and their levels for 3d harvest, to requirements for use of indigo ray. these are not changeable as we are told.

one of these properties we are told, is radiation of self regardless of any actions from another. this cant be put any starker and precise than that, and it is told to us in that manner.

again, regardless of one's justifications, being dishonest will prevent working with blue ray, and will bring its consequences depending on the situation. law of responsibility doesnt fail for those who are aware of an aspect of creation.

'but' -> there seems to be no buts -> honesty, seems honesty. the self should radiate, regardless of any actions from the other. actually the context we are discussing this, is quite limited in fact - leave aside such matters of culture dependent political correctness matters, it seems that the entity would need to radiate everything it has inside, regardless of actions from others - any kind of emotion/thought.

sounding politically incorrect ? well it is. apparently the logos of this octave had not included political correctness into the properties of blue ray.

actually it is more scary than politically incorrect - this honesty requirement would necessitate that, say, if someone is homosexual, s/he should tell it to someone, when s/he feels the need to tell it to that someone, regardless of its consequences.

'under orders' and in military ? the honesty requirement would require the entity to tell his/her commanding officer that, s/he thinks that the order given is wrong, and s/he doesnt want to comply with it, regardless of its consequences.

and then the green ray requirement would necessitate the entity to be accepting of the other entity, regardless of its actions in response to that.

'but it would create a lot of horrific consequences for us or our loved ones' -> quite. however, in case you remember, there are no exceptions thrown into the property of blue ray. honesty is honesty. lack of it, is lack of it. justifications for that are not provided in the properties of ray. no exceptions.

sharpness and precision -that is probably one of the things that shape the nature and responsibility of blue ray in expressing the clarity, knowledge and expression of existence. without that, it wouldnt be that way.

the most one can do in our circumstances it seems, would be to hold the radiation of blue ray (hence, the self) when it is way too inconvenient for the incarnation one is in. however, for the adept, this is not something that is workable, since the adept has to open and use blue ray. and this is probably one of the reasons most of the adepts which have been successful have withdrawn out of society at a certain point to secluded and scarce population areas, or outright mountains and caves. and no, forcing oneself to comply in lieu of the pressure from any particular ray is not something that relates to being service to people -> if the time is come to do something else and one feels the pressure to do as such, it is required to act accordingly. else, law of responsibility will act, and make it happen in any way it will. from diseases/conditions affecting certain areas of the body (relevant to that ray) to psychological disorders or societal situations pushing the entity to the required direction.

sounds hard, starkly disturbing and problematic ? it is. otherwise there would be no problems in passing through the density that is 5th, or using the ray that is the blue.

that being said, it seems that there will be these kind of difficulties in any given density, and apparently these are the hurdles that are inherent to expressing the nature of any given ray. all different, but equally hard hurdles.

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as for me, i dont have any issues with leaving any kind of social interaction/group that requires hampering of any particular ray that is supposed to be open at a given point in my spiritual journey. and no, compassion is not relevant to that -> everything will take its course, but at the end of incarnation, justifications or rationalizations will not do anything in regard to the spiritual mileage that has been required to be traveled; all entities are responsible with their own actions. a tangent here is, what route would a group/society/community that is pursuing advanced spiritual work that uses higher rays should take. especially the pursuers of information like the Ra material. but this is a long and wide subject, and i wont go into that.

these said, i will take my leave from this community, if/when i feel that any kind of particular ray i am expected to work is being hampered.

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but, it seems i forgot the most important part :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#12

The blue-ray center of energy streaming is the center which, for the first time, is outgoing as well as inpouring. Those blocked in this area may have difficulty in grasping the spirit/mind complexes of its own entity and further difficulty in expressing such understandings of self. Entities blocked in this area may have difficulties in accepting communication from other mind/body/spirit complexes.

the importance of bold part cannot be stressed enough.

spirit complex is the complex that guides the entity towards a spiritual journey, and leave aside its main function being the shuttle with above, it is the complex that calls in any kind of spiritual resource (external, internal) and the internal light source of the entity (ranging from radiation to protection), and the vehicle that facilitates in their core all kinds of communications and work with any kind of disincarnate entity.

and, blue ray is the ray that provides understanding and expression of spirit. no wonder, the concept of spiritual adeptness start from blue ray.

and dishonesty, is not compatible with blue ray, regardless of the reasons and justifications shown for it, even in the name of compassion.

[3DMonkey]

I am happy you have finally admitted your blue ray energy is blocked, unity100.

I have a new perspective now, and I can understand your words now.

[native]

I understand all that. No one is encouraging dishonesty, or trying to set up exceptions to blue ray. Only mindfulness of words used is the issue.

[hogey11]

Here's my take on it:

Let's take the musical analogies further.

I see each octave as a piece of music. There are many variables that can all be changed and switched in and out at will. This is to the discretion of the Logos (composer). I think this is where unity's concept is rooted. Each piece of music is unique, and no two performances are truly the same; meaning, even when the piece of music is given to the musicians (us), every time its played it will be unique in how it plays out even.

However, Icaro spurned a further thought in me. While no two songs are the same, they can communicate with each other. Like a Symphony is split into segments and played out in order, each song takes from the previous and gives to the next, creating a tapestry rather than a single thread.

We see this now happening as an aggregate with our online sharing systems. It's rolling up into a ball, expanding in all directions out now, creating free mega-libraries in the process (Grooveshark).... Sorry i'm just ranting now

[native]

hogey, how far have you gotten into the Law of One? Your analogies have truth to them. Here's what I was referring to. The significator and potentiator concepts are expanded in further sessions.

78.10 Questioner: I realize that we are on very difficult ground, you might say, for precise terminology. It is totally displaced from our system of coordinates for evaluation in our present system of language.

These early Logoi that formed in the center of the galaxy wished, I assume, to create a system of experience for the One Creator. Did they then start with no previous experience or information about how to do this? This is difficult to ask.

Ra: I am Ra. At the beginning of this creation or, as you may call it, octave there were those things known which were the harvest of the preceding octave. About the preceding creation, we know as little as we do of the octave to come. However, we are aware of those pieces of gathered concept which were the tools which the Creator had in the knowing of the self.

These tools were of three kinds. Firstly, there was an awareness of the efficiency for experience of mind, body, and spirit. Secondly, there was an awareness of the most efficacious nature or, if you will, significator of mind, body, and spirit. Thirdly, there was the awareness of two aspects of mind, of body, and of spirit that the significator could use to balance all catalyst. You may call these two the matrix and the potentiator.

[hogey11]

I've gotten into everything but the tarot stuff! Still don't really get that stuff, its outside the realms of my knowledge...

I think there is another analogy to be made in this in a similarity to our 3D-4D transition. Just as each octave builds upon the harvest of the previous octave (from Icaro's post), so do we build the 4th density of our octave on the experience of the 3rd...

I wonder if this is our Logos' first performance of this piece? Or if this is one of the "redemption concerts"?

hmmm thinking about this more, is each octave a refinement of the previous? or is it an exercise in versatility?

[native]

Yeah, the tarot stuff is difficult! As I read over the books a few more times, I won't worry about making sense of it yet.

Well, as I understand it, 3d isn't creating 4d. Our progression of experience through the densities is basically the moving backwards through the hierarchical concepts of the octave. The octave creates the properties of each density and we move through them, learning and experiencing the framework, unifying once again and the octave forms overall concepts based off of everything learned.

[3DMonkey]

Oh man, hogey! I look forward to the time you dive into the archetypes. That is my favorite.

[Unbound]

We seek within.