The Nature Of Identity

[jafar]

The Law of One, though beyond the limitation of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that
all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.

Identity is at the core of the L01.
But somehow I just felt that it's 'not getting enough focus' here on the forum?
I mean compared to the conception of 'harvest', 'wanderer', '4th density', 'alien', 'UFO', 'STS/STO' etc..

I feel understanding the 'nature' of 'identity' will unlock core understanding on the reason why there is no right or wrong, no disharmony, no polarity and finally why all is one.

So I created this thread for those who would like to discuss their understanding of 'identity'.
I would like to start with a question:

What is your understanding by the word "Identity"?

Especially in the context of Ra's description above regarding Law of One.

Feel free to state any opinion, as clearly mentioned by Ra, there's no right or wrong, no disharmony but only Identity.

As a 'teaser for discussion', I found one gentleman who consistently talk about 'the importance of understanding the nature of Identity'. His name is Sadhguru. In this video he explained how understanding one's identity (and capability to slightly being detached from it) enable one to tap into the power of something that is called "CHITA".  Based on my understanding, his word "CHITA" correlates well with Ra's conception of "Intelligent Infinity". And I remember Ra did mentioned somewhere that understanding Law of One will enable one to tap into the power of "Intelligent Infinity". Although I forgot exactly where.

[Ninth Elegy]

I really like this question. From my perspective, there are two different kinds of identity at play in our 3rd density existence:

- Social identity, wherein we subscribe to various ideological or factual boxes identified by nouns to help us organize and communicate aspects of ourselves to others.

- Internal identity, which is a perpetually morphing, undefinable experience of being a 3D entity that perceives the self as separate, and that experience is so unique and complex that it cannot be fully communicated to others. Afterall, we don’t even fully understand our identities ourselves. Our myriad modes of thinking, intention, desire, and action exist in a maze of mirrors.

In terms of the context of Ra, I won’t pretend to have any knowledge of the details surrounding their use of “Identity” beyond our separate 3D experiences. For all I know, all things are one because all things die. In death, the grievances involving 3D plights matter not. Of course, 3D plights DO matter up until we drift off to that comforting, spacious void. (I felt it necessary to qualify the “3D plights matter not” statement because I’ve repeatedly encountered individuals who use this mode of thinking - that everything is love/light and there is no disharmony - to shrug off accountability for their 3D actions.)

[LeiwoUnion]

In my mind, identity is always the sum of experience, no more, no less, at all levels. At seventh density looking backwards ceases as the mind/body/spirit complex totality includes all experience, and is part of all things without identity. A creation begins, and the gathering of spiritual mass in the form of an octave within an octave. New identity matrices form, and new experiences are gathered. This is my understanding.

[Dtris]

The Seth Material goes into far more detail on this subject than anything else I have encountered. In case anyone is interested.

Identity is a nebulous concept for us. Sum of experiences is a good start, but only a start. As multiple people experience similar things and come away with different beliefs or lessons. Our identity is not just the sum of experience but how we have systematically utilized that experience over our life.

Within identity we also have various levels. The ego is the first level which interfaces with the outside world. We also have an inner self, or identity beyond ego. This is still not complete as this inner self is still only a small portion of the total self.

My best pass at saying what identity is, Identity is the unique structure or signature of our mind/body/spirit complex.

[Nikki]

Good question. Is there identity at all or another arm of illusion? Does identity matter to the higher mind/self? Is it only for the physical expression? For this one, identity is separation, an illusion for the purpose of experience. Identity is a name, place, thing, all which seems to reflect physicality, is a lateral energy using time. Individual being is similar but can be of higher density with the knowledge of oneness.

[fiatlux0]

all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.

I think the word 'identity' here refers to a usage commonly found in mathematics that carries the meaning of 'all is one' or 'equality'.

Definitions from Oxford Languages:

* (mathematics) a transformation that leaves an object unchanged.

* (mathematics) the equality of two expressions for all values of the quantities expressed by letters, or an equation expressing this e.g. (x + 1)^2 = x^ 2 + 2 x + 1.

[jafar]

all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.

I think the word 'identity' here refers to a usage commonly found in mathematics that carries the meaning of 'all is one' or 'equality'.

Definitions from Oxford Languages:

* (mathematics) a transformation that leaves an object unchanged.

* (mathematics) the equality of two expressions for all values of the quantities expressed by letters, or an equation expressing this e.g. (x + 1)^2 = x^ 2 + 2 x + 1.

Thank you, this is an interesting angle, I actually didn't expect one will also view it from mathematical context.

One (1) is known as identifying number.
It implicitly always exist in any number.
10 = 7 + 3 is actually
10 X 1 = 7 X 1 + 3 X 1

And in the context of infinite, ∞.
There is only 1 ∞ that could possibly exist, however it's unmeasurable thus no operand is possible.
However we can estimate (although cannot be performed/proven/defined) that ∞ / ∞ = 1

And given the 1 dimensional range of -∞ < X < ∞
Then X will be any measurable (finite) number.
Making a statement that any measurable finite number is within / inside the infinite range.

[sillypumpkins]

“I” is a funny thing.........

[jafar]

In my mind, identity is always the sum of experience, no more, no less, at all levels.

Interesting, thus an identity is unique due to it's collection of experience.

And an identity A is different than identity B because both has unique collection of experience.

What if there's an identity that contain / able to access collection of experience contained in A and also B?
Let's named such identity AB.
Will it not makes identity AB is actually identity A and also identity B?
As thus AB is the 'higher self' of A and also B?

In many ways this is similar how an 'instance' is defined in computing world.
An instance is unique due to the collection of data it contain.
When there's another instance with exact collection of data then we can define it as the same instance.
Although it might actually physically contained / executed in different host machine.

A familiar way to experience this is when you sold / change your mobile phone.
When the data inside your new device is the same as your old device (address book, call / message history, photos, files, security keys contained in the SIM Card etc..) you can still say that this is still "My Phone".
Although the hardware / device is different.

[flofrog]

Thank you Jafar for this thread, I had t read it before as when you posted it, I was away with very, very vague internet ( but plenty of tiny toads at night singing a small ‘tut’)

I was just wondering, reading the initial Ra’s quote, could Ra have meant Identity as simply the divine ‘fragment’ that we all are of Creator ? Just a small thought.

[tadeus]

The Law of One, though beyond the limitation of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that
all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.

What is your understanding by the word "Identity"?

Identity is a production of the mind / ego, that identifies with the body and itself.
It is part of the third density, that suppress with the veil the insight that we are all one.
The source is the free will that enables to be different and creates individuality.

[tadeus]

Recently found:

Yet, as this entity evolves into third-density and the mind of this entity becomes complex, the entity may then consider the self in a new light, and for the first time, turn its awareness inward. Recognizing that its movement, its instinct and its worldview may be examined, and contemplated, and shaped to change based upon thought alone. This capacity requires that the mind be made complex and certain functions made distinct. Those functions being identified as the rational and the intuitive mind when this complexity is introduced to the mind of the self, that self may then consider any aspect of the creation about it, and within it in an abstract way, no longer does an experience move through the entity without consideration. Instead, experience is collected and remains with this entity in a way that may be drawn upon and considered.

And as this process unfolds, the entity develops what you may call will, and an understanding that the energy within it that potentiates movement and behavior may indeed be directed and altered, and each experience becomes something that may transform in a very conscious way. This my friends, is the highlight of the third density. The ability of the self to understand that this self has the capacity to choose. And what will be that choice?

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As was stated before, the entity that has moved from second into third density is presented with the ability to engage and/or create for itself a story and identity that is simultaneously collective and united with the all while separate and inward. This is via this vehicle known as the rational mind, the intellectual mind. The idea or the concept that this vehicle can be a gift and hindrance is one that, we imagine your people feel immensely at many times in your incarnational experience.

[jafar]

Thank you Jafar for this thread, I had t read it before as when you posted it, I was away with very, very vague internet ( but plenty of tiny toads at night singing a small ‘tut’)

I was just wondering, reading the initial Ra’s quote, could Ra have meant Identity as simply the divine ‘fragment’ that we all are  of Creator ?  Just a small thought.

You're welcomed.
We're all sometimes needs time to be away from internet, send my warmest regards to the 'tutty' toads..

Yes there are many ways / metaphor to see this.
An identity is a 'fragment' of the infinite creator, thus making it finite through fragmentation.

In the same manner as a web forum avatar labeled jafar is a fragment of his 'higher identity' which is a consciousness still contained / wrapped inside active physical human body.

The fragmentation of identity, as can be easily experienced on physical life, can happened in multi-level manner.
Human identity -> internet identities

Yet what truly isolate one from another is the access to the 'memory', the 'data'.
As can be evidenced through observing person with "Multi Personality Disorder" and/or "Amnesia".
When the wall of memory/data isolation is gone, then identities will be merged, since the 'isolation wall' no longer exist.

Thus the name "Social Memory Complex" suits very well..
The results of destroying wall that isolate/forbid access and sharing of one set of memory with the other.

[Spiritual Ronin]

While the discussions here are somewhat about identity as a 3D concept I think it's important to think of the process of identity as we move through the densities, as the beginning of this thread states there is only Identity. It seems that identity is always in relation to the lessons learned in that particular density. 1D and 2D are about creating identity, 3D and 4D about defining identity, 5D and 6D about dissolving or realizing your identity as One. It really is a cycle of creation and destruction of identity.

[Diana]

There is still uniqueness however much personal identity may be harmonized with others. This from Ra:

65.12 ▶ 

Ra: I am Ra. 
...
You may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each Wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialties so that from each portion of each density represented among the Wanderers comes an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each Wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.

Thus there are those of fifth density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. There are fourth- and sixth-density Wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. There are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.

Thus Wanderers have three basic functions once the forgetting is penetrated, the first two being basic, the tertiary one being unique to that particular mind/body/spirit complex.
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17.30 ▶ Ra: I am Ra.
...
Speaking to the intention of your question, the best way for each seeker in third density to be of service to others is unique to that mind/body/spirit complex. This means that the mind/body/spirit complex must then seek within itself the intelligence of its own discernment as to the way it may best serve other-selves. This will be different for each. There is no best. There is no generalization. Nothing is known.

"Harmonized" does not indicate loss of identity. Though a musical instrument (being the expression of the musician) may be part of a large orchestra with which it is harmonizing, the music created from the individual part is still unique and an integral part of the whole. To extrapolate from there, beyond the orchestra and the concert hall it is performing in (4D, 5D, etc.), this particular orchestra (SMC), may be unique even when harmonizing with another full orchestra, and in each level of harmonizing, whether within one orchestra (SMC) or with two orchestras (SMCs) and so on, unique harmonics are created on upwards and ever expanding.

[jafar]

I found an interesting article about "Identity" from Yogic point of view.
https://isha.sadhguru.org/yoga/yoga-arti...s-of-mind/

There are 4 main categories of mind:

1. Budi = Intellect, discriminatory mind, recognized border / limit between opposite polarities.

2. Manas = A Huge Silo of Memory / Data
Intellect cannot functioned without any data / memory as a reference, memory / data can be found everywhere in the body, every cells has DNA that store accumulated memory of the species which will be modified and passed on to the next generation.

3. Ahankara = Identity
Once ahankara takes on an identity, the intellect will functions only in that context.
The intellect is seriously enslaved to your identity.
Because I'm an American I must act and think like an american, because I'm a Christian I must act and think like a Christian etc..
One need to 'ascend' beyond it's limited identity to gain better understanding thus becoming more 'conscious' or 'intelligent'.

4. Chitta - The Cosmic Intelligence
Chitta is mind without memory – pure intelligence. This intelligence is like the cosmic intelligence – simply there. Everything happens because of that. It does not function out of memory – it simply functions. In a way, what you call cosmos is a living mind, not in the sense of intellect but in the sense of chitta. Chitta is the last point of the mind. It connects to the basis of creation within you. It connects you with your consciousness.
Once you know how to consciously keep your chitta on, you do not have to do anything. Simply sit; the best things will happen


Somehow yogic definition of Chitta resonate well with Ra's definition of Infinite Intelligence?
And to access that one need to go beyond it's limited identity.